Poptimists get into ...METAL?!

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Drugs A. Money, Thursday, 2 February 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link

does that mean you liked Windhand JF? *score!*

Sure, it's deece.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 2 February 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link

cool

Drugs A. Money, Thursday, 2 February 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link

tbf metal folks need to post some vids for the likes of the lex, tim f etc to view

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 2 February 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link

Are there many good metal vids out there? I stopped following just as web2.0 was kicking off so I have no idea. Is it literally just goths in churches or do they have better stuff than that?

Sounds Of The Baskervilles (dog latin), Thursday, 2 February 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link

idk I think that the metalheads got turned off by the Pistol Annies videos, I'm wondering if it would happen the same way Kerr?

Drugs A. Money, Thursday, 2 February 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link

just post stuff with clean vox. cant expect anyone to like extreme stuff unless someone asks for it. I guess atmospheric stuff like Alcest/Jesu/burzum the shoegazy bm/post-metal stuff might appeal to indie folks not sure about poptimists though

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 2 February 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link

remember the poll countdown is on so people be reading that for a few hours

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 2 February 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link

Windhand is Psychedelic Stoner Doom so it may not be geared towards Poptimists but more towards ppl who liked the Peaking Lights record this year (ie me)

Drugs A. Money, Thursday, 2 February 2012 17:57 (twelve years ago) link

emil.y really really liked this track in outloud so poptimists might not care so much about it but if you like the music emil.y does it might be your thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXRunMfRPgY

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 2 February 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link

Also i bet pop fans could dig the j-pop inspired New Album by Boris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os-gJy9ykkI

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 2 February 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link

More female fronted metal with an occult fascination
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzOLCBB2v2A an ilxor and his wife are in this band

Italian prog-doom inspired by a 1920s film of the same name
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sssh089PEFw

occult rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZIqwVbjLnY

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 2 February 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link

okay that Jex Thoth song is kicking my ass

Drugs A. Money, Thursday, 2 February 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link

wait which ilxor?

Drugs A. Money, Thursday, 2 February 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link

he has a wand

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 2 February 2012 18:53 (twelve years ago) link

a mod needs to edit george's first post btw

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 2 February 2012 18:57 (twelve years ago) link

tilting at windmills, but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYUKgKnoaGo

his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Thursday, 2 February 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link

too throwbacky for this thread, but the vocals are clean and it's a good deal more accessible than most stuff that gets covered in rolling metal

his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Thursday, 2 February 2012 19:14 (twelve years ago) link

if we're doing stuff from a wee bit further back then this is glorious doom with pop chorus by the best trad doom band of the last 15 years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N0dIdeXcEY

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 2 February 2012 19:17 (twelve years ago) link

and my fave Slough Feg song. Trad heavy metal here in the vein of maiden/lizzy. maybe djp will dig it though poptimists might not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpVClr_DL4o

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 2 February 2012 19:19 (twelve years ago) link

drugs b righty!

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 2 February 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link

I just recently acquired that Jex Thoth album, love it. Other than the EP a couple years ago, they've been quiet. Anyone know if they've got something in the pipeline for this year?

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 2 February 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link

did you hear the Sabbath Assembly thing she sang on?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 2 February 2012 19:42 (twelve years ago) link

ok George how did we forget this big un
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz36ymPEWMc

lol

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 2 February 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago) link

Another good poppy doom song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ra0GIe8SRY

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 2 February 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago) link

wait a min, is that Ned on the cover of the Cauldron album?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 2 February 2012 19:53 (twelve years ago) link

cannot wait to hear that full christian mistress album. the two songs i've heard so far are stellar.

Mordy, Thursday, 2 February 2012 19:55 (twelve years ago) link

i pre-ordered it like 3 months ago

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 2 February 2012 20:48 (twelve years ago) link

george it looks like the poptimists aren't interested :(

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 2 February 2012 21:58 (twelve years ago) link

You shouldve linked to this thread when Uncle Acid placed on the countdown

Drugs A. Money, Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:09 (twelve years ago) link

i did (i think) but maybe pop fans just aren't interested in the bogeyman called metal?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link

Cher Lloyd - Sticks + Stones
Ghost - Opus Eponymous

Next to each other on my albums ballot. There's lots of great stuff in this thread. Pop / metal seems like a really natural crossover.

Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link

probably a reaction against harsh vocals that long term metallers have got a bit fed up with without it going backwards to lame 80s glam pop metal stuff.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:28 (twelve years ago) link

Maybe "poptimists" don't consider themselves poptimists (or realize there's no such thing?) Anyway, I'm not sure whether people consider me a poptimist or not, but I just wanted to mention that, just a couple years ago, people would give me hell on ILM's rolling metal thread whenever I complained that such and such band (or metal in general, then) "wasn't catchy enough," since (this is more or less a direct quote I think) "hooks haven't been important in metal since the '80s." Anyway, I'm glad lots of metal (and Rolling Metal) wound up coming around to my way of thinking. And I'm on record already as liking a lot of metal posted on this thread (and also on record as liking the Pistol Annies album, fwiw).

xhuxk, Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:33 (twelve years ago) link

I also think I was fed up with vomit-style vocals before lots of other metallers around here were. (And I used to catch hell about that too!) Did like (and write about) that Jex Thoth album back when it came out, though. And that sort of thing (Blood Ceremony, Devils Blood, etc.) has only gotten better since, to my ears.

xhuxk, Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:36 (twelve years ago) link

if its good music then it doesnt matter if its growling or screeching or singing as long as it fits the music really. Im not a fan of death metal or heavy rawk 80s style vox. With the odd exceptions of course.
but when all the music has the same vox it does get very boring quickly.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:39 (twelve years ago) link

it might be a very basic thing to say but some things just sound good and some don't. And to another person it may be the opposite.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:41 (twelve years ago) link

Well, I'd say one positive side effect of more audible/comprehensible/not-merely-ugly-and-"brutal" vocals is that some metal seems to be (I'm crossing my fingers anyway) turning slowly back into a music with actual songs, not just a sound. Songs you can actually tell apart, and remember when the album's over. Maybe to some people they never went away, and other people might not care. But to me, it's a healthy development.

xhuxk, Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:44 (twelve years ago) link

^^word

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:46 (twelve years ago) link

i think the reason people hated pop in metal was because it reminded them of 80s pop/glam metal, a lot of this newer stuff isn't like that. So now they have a new reference point and think 'hey this stuff isnt that bad after all'. Of course purists will hate it, but purists usually only listen to music thats ancient anyway as newer stuff isnt as pure or something.
in short, fuck them.

but there's room for all. I love atmospheric stuff. I love good riffs. I do not think metal should be only "classic verse chorus verse" ( i hate those indie ppl i know who think all music should be britpop). It shouldn't be only 1 or 2 kinds of anything.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 2 February 2012 22:48 (twelve years ago) link

I interviewed Emile Sande last week. I told her I was disappointed when I listened to her album and found out that 'Breaking The Law' wasn't a cover of the Judas Priest NWOBHM classic.

She didn't know what I was referring to but she admitted that her interest had been aroused slightly.

Conan The Asshander (Doran), Thursday, 2 February 2012 23:06 (twelve years ago) link

lol I was hoping for the same thing when I saw her album's tracklist.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 2 February 2012 23:10 (twelve years ago) link

Not exactly pop but the intro for this is veeeery Bark Psychosis

http://youtu.be/Vb01CfEdkGI

Michael B Higgins (Michael B), Thursday, 2 February 2012 23:37 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb01CfEdkGI

Michael B Higgins (Michael B), Thursday, 2 February 2012 23:37 (twelve years ago) link

Have I succeeded in getting other people into Midnight Odyssey? YES.

Gamera died for our sins (J3ff T.), Thursday, 2 February 2012 23:39 (twelve years ago) link

i keep thinking of posting things but they would be more suited for a "hey avant garde noise freakos get into...METAL?!"

Thu'um gang (jjjusten), Thursday, 2 February 2012 23:41 (twelve years ago) link

did someone post an ulver video yet or is that still exiled from metal town

or actually anything off of last years devin townsend album. pop people should really dig into latter day devin stuff.

Thu'um gang (jjjusten), Thursday, 2 February 2012 23:43 (twelve years ago) link

The one Hammers of Misfortune song I heard sounded like Big Country (this is not a bad thing in my book btw)

Michael B Higgins (Michael B), Thursday, 2 February 2012 23:43 (twelve years ago) link

i am mostly alone in this obv but i was really disappointed in this most recent hammers of misfortune after really digging them up until now.

Thu'um gang (jjjusten), Thursday, 2 February 2012 23:46 (twelve years ago) link

you should start that thread jjj

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 3 February 2012 00:05 (twelve years ago) link

he played w/tom in some project as well which would have been fucking rad but i dont think they ever played out

Rachel Profiling (jjjusten), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 23:32 (twelve years ago) link

oh shit that would've been some serious chops in the rhythm section

l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 23:34 (twelve years ago) link

that was awesome, whiney!

four years pass...

Are Poptimists still into it?

What should a Poptimist check out?

Odysseus, Thursday, 9 February 2017 22:37 (seven years ago) link

I'm waiting for the day for Lex to embrace a metal band.

MarkoP, Thursday, 9 February 2017 22:42 (seven years ago) link

Babymetal didn't even tempt him.

Odysseus, Thursday, 9 February 2017 23:08 (seven years ago) link

I could see him liking Myrkur or Darkher maybe

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 01:39 (seven years ago) link

Astronoid?

o. nate, Friday, 10 February 2017 01:42 (seven years ago) link

hell no

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 01:53 (seven years ago) link

v pompous drumming, for starters

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 01:53 (seven years ago) link

I think there would be more chance of Lex liking a metal band than Tuomas

Odysseus, Friday, 10 February 2017 08:04 (seven years ago) link

Myrkur's not a bad choice actually. It's like Tori Amos's idea of black metal

steely dad (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 10 February 2017 09:05 (seven years ago) link

Did Lex like the last Chelsea Wolfe album?

steely dad (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 10 February 2017 09:09 (seven years ago) link

yup iirc

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 11:08 (seven years ago) link

I think so. He liked Swans too (i know they're not metal but...) Lex isn't as closeminded as some think. If you give a good description of what it's like and why he might like it he will give it a listen. He listened to some pfunk I sent his way one time.

If someone whose tastes he respects likes something he will also give it a try.

Odysseus, Friday, 10 February 2017 11:29 (seven years ago) link

i listened to Sepultura Roots recently and fell in love with it, based on Whiney's recommendation in a similar thread (something about Groovy metal bands) can anyone recommend me more stuff like that

flopson, Friday, 10 February 2017 11:38 (seven years ago) link

I cant as I hated groove metal especially Pantera and the like (Though i never saw Sepultura in that mould) but I guess plenty here could recommend you what they liked.

Odysseus, Friday, 10 February 2017 11:46 (seven years ago) link

Corrosion Of Conformity were great and I think their pepper era stuff does count but is really good.

Some bands listed here like Mastodon and Meshuggah are def not groove metal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_groove_metal_bands
Prong I think mightve gone in that direction but it was not their good stuff.

Odysseus, Friday, 10 February 2017 11:53 (seven years ago) link

early lamb of god was really great until they went groove metal imo

Odysseus, Friday, 10 February 2017 11:54 (seven years ago) link

Roots is excellent in parts. Far Beyond Driven is probably the Pantera album to go for in the groove-metal vein. From that wiki list, Clutch are good, i suppose. White Zombie aren't listed but aren't a million miles away.

Bubba H.O.T.A.P.E (ShariVari), Friday, 10 February 2017 13:11 (seven years ago) link

Myrkur's not a bad choice actually. It's like Tori Amos's idea of black metal

― steely dad (Drugs A. Money)

based on "mausoleum" i'd say it's more lorena mckennit's idea of black metal!

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 10 February 2017 13:44 (seven years ago) link

or dead can dance, i can't decide

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 10 February 2017 13:45 (seven years ago) link

You might enjoy Sep's Chaos AD as well, more of a straight metal album but starting to incorporate the influences foun in Roots.

chap, Friday, 10 February 2017 14:18 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, I would also look up Soulfly which is the band Max C started to follow up on Roots.

Not the same thing but Clutch's Transnational Speedway League is an absolute classic. I did not even realize Clutch had 12 albums! I'm prob way overdue to tackle their whole discography.

steely dad (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 10 February 2017 19:00 (seven years ago) link

That was their best album imo but also an anomaly in their discography as it was more post-hardcore than the stoner rock they became famous for

Odysseus, Friday, 10 February 2017 19:04 (seven years ago) link

Myrkur's not a bad choice actually. It's like Tori Amos's idea of black metal

― steely dad (Drugs A. Money)

based on "mausoleum" i'd say it's more lorena mckennit's idea of black metal!

― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, February 10, 2017 6:44 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

or dead can dance, i can't decide

― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, February 10, 2017 6:45 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wish i liked myrkur more bc all of these descriptions make her music sound like it's Perfect

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 19:12 (seven years ago) link

I did not even realize Clutch had 12 albums! I'm prob way overdue to tackle their whole discography.

Pick one at random. They're all exactly the same.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 10 February 2017 19:21 (seven years ago) link

I like the *sounds* of Myrkur but a lot of her album sounds half-finished

ultros ultros-ghali, Friday, 10 February 2017 19:26 (seven years ago) link

Yeah I mean I thought the album was a solid B-minus but theoretically Lex wd be looking for different things out of BM than I would

steely dad (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 10 February 2017 19:33 (seven years ago) link

the record i heard was "mausoleum" which is her and a choir in a crypt, no metal at all. i guess it's not typical of her? but it sounds better than when she tries to do the black metal thing.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 10 February 2017 19:38 (seven years ago) link

She should collaborate with Mesarthim on her next album

steely dad (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 11 February 2017 08:23 (seven years ago) link

oh btw the answer to this thread is blood command

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 February 2017 14:58 (seven years ago) link

maybe

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 February 2017 14:59 (seven years ago) link

xps- i kinda figured a good groove metal album is some lightning in a bottle shit, and Roots was a 'one good album in an otherwise meritless genre' situation but i'll check some of these out, thx. enjoying Clutch rn, this music makes me lol but in a good way

flopson, Saturday, 11 February 2017 15:46 (seven years ago) link


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