Dieter Moebius Poll 1978-2011 [Update: RIP, July 2015]

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there is no solo Moebius thread so why not make it a poll. I'm setting the end date out a bit, just to make sure that one power dweller who's going to prefer Strange Music to Zero Set gets to hear it before voting

Poll Results

Moebius & Plank - Rastakraut Pasta (1980) 4
Moebius - Tonspuren (1983) 4
Moebius / Plank / Neumeier - Zero Set (1983) 3
Moebius & Beerbohm - Double Cut (1983) 3
Moebius - Ding (2011) 1
Moebius & Beerbohm - Strange Music (1982) 1
Moebius & Plank - Material (1981) 1
Space Explosion - Space Explosion (1998) 1
Moebius - Kram (2009) 0
Moebius & Neumeier - Zero Set 2 (2006) 0
Moebius - Nurton (2006) 0
Moebius & Neumeier - Live In Japan (2003) 0
Moebius - Blotch (1999) 0
Moebius / Plank / Thompson - Ludwig's Law (1998) 0
Moebius / Neumeier / Engler - Other Places (1996) 0
Moebius & Plank - En Route (1995, recorded 1986) 0
Moebius & Renziehausen - Ersatz II (1992) 0
Moebius & Renziehausen - Ersatz (1990) 0
Moebius - Blue Moon (Soundtrack) (1986) 0
Liliental - Liliental (1978) 0

Milton Parker, Friday, 20 January 2012 21:41 (nine years ago) link

& here's the chronological list for posterity once the results skew it

Liliental - Liliental (1978)
Moebius & Plank - Rastakraut Pasta (1980)
Moebius & Plank - Material (1981)
Moebius & Beerbohm - Strange Music (1982)
Moebius - Tonspuren (1983)
Moebius & Beerbohm - Double Cut (1983)
Moebius / Plank / Neumeier - Zero Set (1983)
Moebius - Blue Moon (Soundtrack) (1986)
Moebius & Renziehausen - Ersatz (1990)
Moebius & Renziehausen - Ersatz II (1992)
Moebius & Plank - En Route (1995, recorded 1986)
Moebius / Neumeier / Engler - Other Places (1996)
Moebius / Plank / Thompson - Ludwig's Law (1998)
Space Explosion - Space Explosion (1998)
Moebius - Blotch (1999)
Moebius & Neumeier - Live In Japan (2003)
Moebius - Nurton (2006)
Moebius & Neumeier - Zero Set 2 (2006)
Moebius - Kram (2009)
Moebius - Ding (2011)

Milton Parker, Friday, 20 January 2012 21:41 (nine years ago) link

ha ha ha

geeta, Friday, 20 January 2012 21:45 (nine years ago) link

hey when's the Moebius/Tietchens lp coming out?

nerve_pylon, Friday, 20 January 2012 22:03 (nine years ago) link

it should be coming out around christmas! that's what moebius told me, anyhow

geeta, Friday, 20 January 2012 22:07 (nine years ago) link

oof christmas! thought it'd be soon. on the other hand, what's the rush?

nerve_pylon, Friday, 20 January 2012 22:18 (nine years ago) link

they are taking their sweet time

geeta, Friday, 20 January 2012 22:22 (nine years ago) link

ok, i have only heard Rastakraut Pasta--where should i go next since i have a month to hear all of these?

rob, Friday, 20 January 2012 22:31 (nine years ago) link

i would hit zero set/double cut/tonspuren next

geeta, Friday, 20 January 2012 22:38 (nine years ago) link

For me, Double Cut, Tonspuren and Zero Set are the cream of the crop after Rastakraut. They aren't as funny though (none of them are!)

Double Cut is scary as hell and minimalist lo-fi with Beerbohm doing cool simple things with some kind of drum synth, overall it sounds like it should be the soundtrack to some crazy good sci fi horror film. This is one of my favorite albums ever, ultra simple but with some serious depths.

Tonspuren is a Moebius solo and reminds me a lot of Zuckerzeit; short little song worlds, pretty melodies and great shimmery production. A truly great album albeit simplistic, it's very painterly and all of Moebius' weird pet sounds are perfectly placed and realized.

Zero Set is the one that comes off like an early techno experiment, and all the songs are kinda samey (in a good way!) but Mani's live jungle jazz drums are like a human heart beating behind the twitchy synth blurps. Very cool.

For the more recent things, Kram is the clear winner. It sounds like a jungle on an alien planet with pulsing sound creatures flying all around neon swamps. Very quirky and quite busy with hidden loveliness amidst all the shifting strangeness.

I have to say the real surprises of the catalog for me were the Renziehausen albums. They kind of sound like the theme song of the tv show Nightrider (or some such cheesy 80s tv show!) All the songs are sort of slick and tend to blend together in my memory, but they are still really very strong and get a lot more plays than I would've thought. They're better than the 90s Cluster albums anyway! Definitely worth a listen (I say this because they seem to get overlooked)

liam fennell, Friday, 20 January 2012 22:52 (nine years ago) link

And I'd like to chime in again and say that the interview is really great. It's so nice to finally get some insight into this stuff.

liam fennell, Friday, 20 January 2012 22:56 (nine years ago) link

thanks liam. i like your descriptions!

though to me every song on 'zero set' sounds completely different! the first time i was introduced to it (ten years ago or thereabouts, via stirmonster) all i really knew was 'all repro' which stir would occasionally mix into a dj set

the next few times i listened to it i was obsessed with 'pitch control', the obvious favorite, which also mixes well into dj sets, but now the more i listen the more i am fascinated by 'load' and 'recall' and 'search zero'

geeta, Friday, 20 January 2012 23:02 (nine years ago) link

just finished the interview--he comes across as such a lovely person, thanks geeta! liam's descriptions are kind of haunting me now.

rob, Friday, 20 January 2012 23:15 (nine years ago) link

nice descriptions liam

I agree the two Ersatz records are totally fun. Using extremely standard 80's/90's digital sounds but in the most ludicrous, malfunctioning & broken ways. I'm hearing a lot of things now that sound like these records, but retro-coated in nostalgia -- so the fact that the Ersatz records were doing something similar but while the equipment was still contempoary gives them a really bizarre edge (ok, I'm thinking of Ferraro's Far Side Virtual, which did send me right back to Ersatz II right after I heard it

Milton Parker, Friday, 20 January 2012 23:38 (nine years ago) link


& I don't have much to say about the first seven albums on the list because it should just be a given, if you like any one of them you'll like the other six

Milton Parker, Friday, 20 January 2012 23:38 (nine years ago) link


Milton Parker, Friday, 20 January 2012 23:39 (nine years ago) link

aw hell & Blue Moon too. it's a casual record w/ a lot of amazing casio synth on it but the track 'Am See' is as good as anything moebius and/or roedelius ever did

Milton Parker, Friday, 20 January 2012 23:41 (nine years ago) link

milton voted for 'select all'

geeta, Friday, 20 January 2012 23:46 (nine years ago) link

should have given myself that option

almost included this comp, pretty good 10 minute percolator in the vein of 'Infiltration' from Material or the last (best) two tracks from Blotch:

Milton Parker, Saturday, 21 January 2012 00:00 (nine years ago) link

the fifth track on an obscure comp that was only released in russia?

geeta, Saturday, 21 January 2012 00:02 (nine years ago) link


geeta, Saturday, 21 January 2012 00:06 (nine years ago) link


But in the end, I did not include it. That would have been insane. But it is worth mentioning & hunting down.

He put out a 4 track mp3-only ep on his site in 2009, but rolled different versions of those tracks onto Qua & Blotch & Ding so I didn't include that either.

For real fanatics, rare non-album Cluster compilation track, an outtake from Curiosum:

Milton Parker, Saturday, 21 January 2012 00:10 (nine years ago) link

Would feel a bit of fraud voting in this, as I only know nine of these, I imagine that's nine more than most people though! "Liliental" is prolly the one that I've got most pleasure out of... that and "Rastakraut Pasta" but I don't know how much of that is down to Moebius. In which case I should probably vote "Tonspuren". Cannot share the enthusiasm upthread for "Double Cut"!

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Monday, 23 January 2012 17:28 (nine years ago) link

how does Zero Set 2 compare to the first one?

sarahell, Monday, 23 January 2012 17:46 (nine years ago) link

I haven't heard any of these records yet, just wanted to chime in to say that was a really great interview. What's the best entry point?

frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Monday, 23 January 2012 18:10 (nine years ago) link

probably Rastakraut Pasta / Tonspuren / Zero Set

Zero Set 2: The sounds are there, the drumming is still great, but that extra layer of completely abstracted real-time sound mixing is missing. out of the three remix 12"s, the 33 minute Villalobos mix is great, it sounds like Villalobos but you can hear something of Plank in all the weird little detailed sounds that only happen once or twice

Milton Parker, Monday, 23 January 2012 20:00 (nine years ago) link

still worth hearing and I'm not selling my copy:

Milton Parker, Monday, 23 January 2012 20:06 (nine years ago) link

wow, great cover!

sarahell, Monday, 23 January 2012 20:07 (nine years ago) link

thanks that Villalobos is great!

nerve_pylon, Monday, 23 January 2012 20:24 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

oh okay since no one would ever publish something like this

Liliental - Liliental (1978) - In 1976, Harmonia splintered into solo projects. Roedelius & Rother began recording their first solo albums, while Dieter booked six days at Conny Plank's studio to record a project with longtime friends Asmus Tietchens and Okko Becker. The band Kraan had just finished recording, and the sax and bass players get on well enough to hang out for an extra week, Conny joins in on guitar, and the new six piece band puts together six new tracks starting from scratch. The sounds aren't very weird in and of themselves, and the billowy sax and rhodes put this very close to 1970-1975 era Pink Floyd. For years I only had this on cassette, and it only grabbed me once it came out on CD; the production is pristine and there are a lot of layered tiny details when you listen, and each side rewards you by ending with a straight-up tune. Not really solo Moebius by a long shot, but the ad-hoc nature of the group's formation tells you a lot about his M.O.

Moebius & Plank - Rastakraut Pasta (1980) - What to even write about this one -- when Moebius and Plank started writing a Krautrock dub record, the title produced itself. The basic grooves are incredibly simple and don't evolve like traditional songs, but are covered with dozens, hundreds of bizarre little sonic details, acoustic and electronic instruments that wait their turn, make one incredibly odd sound, and then vanish, noises turned inside out by Plank's hot-rodded mixing desk. Most bands would capture one loop from any of these tracks and find them sufficient for a five minute track, Moebius and Plank just pile the sound design on. And even if these aren't normal songs, they are tunes; 'Two Oldtimers' makes it clear that Roedelius was not the only one writing beautiful melodies on those Cluster records.

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 22:41 (nine years ago) link

Moebius & Plank - Material (1981) - Surfing right off the success of that one, this kicks off with a full tilt surf number 'Conditionierer' that promises a crazy Shadows guitar lead. Which never arrives; the music goes on forever like a backing track before the psychedelic layers slowly start to turn up -- by the time the guitars finally take over, you're lucky if you can count to eight. The rest of side one is even better, a ten minute bass line that keeps getting reenforced by a particularly great manifestation of Mobi's trademarked synthetic menagerie. Perhaps this lacks the can't miss focus given the previous one by its title; side two is just as strong, but unlike Pasta this album stops more than ends.

Moebius & Beerbohm - Strange Music (1982) - Moebius must have been getting sick of the meticulous hi-fi studios. After recording Cluster's Grosses Wasser with Peter Baumann and the two records with Plank, the last Cluster record Curiosum was all murky home recordings, and practically sounds like a Moebius solo record; Roedelius' tunes are there, but only played on the most detuned analog synths imaginable. Moebius plays with his friends, and Beerbohm is a guy who just plays whatever (usually drums) with maximum enthusiasm and energy. This record doesn't have the meticulous layering of the Plank records; it sounds like maybe each track gets one or two overdubs of strange sounds, run throughout, then a mixdown. Once a track starts, it doesn't evolve. But the processing here is so extreme that it doesn't matter; when it takes you 90 seconds to figure out that the lead instrument is probably just a saxophone, this really is strange music, and you can tell these guys are just going for it. This record was not liked by many Cluster fans; it's not pretty and very brutal, but once people started getting into noise and Black Dice got dancey, I started hearing this record played around at local experimental shows a bit more, everyone caught up.

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 23:01 (nine years ago) link

Moebius - Tonspuren (1983) - The first actual solo album, and more home recordings; out of all of them, probably the closest to Zuckerzeit in that each track not only has its own synth-patch sound design, but they're playing interlocking riffs and tunes. Super motorik, catchy but still incredibly bizarre, soothing sounds for baby that shouldn't really be soothing at all. Zuckerzeit might have higher highs but I often prefer this one as a complete album, and it'd be an easy one to vote for because it really works as a true solo album, it clearly shows you everything he's adding to every other group project he's ever participated in.

Moebius & Beerbohm - Double Cut (1983) - "Recorded 1982 in Minimalstudio" -- this is another one that might have seemed too rudimentary or easygoing back then, but post-Basic Channel, post-Villalobos, and post-Minimal Techno, the twenty minute long side two of this record seems more like ground-zero. Those monolithic Monoton records are good too, but this track I have just gotten lost in; two note bassline, 2/4 synth drums handplayed by Beerbohm, and bewilderingly lo-fi layered synth solos slowly weaving in and out, absolutely nothing is happening here and yet the second it ends you start it over again. A guy in a Seattle record store dubbed this for me onto a tape with 'Curiosum' and I dubbed side two of this onto a another 90 minute tape four times. Side one is plodding bass & synth tunes which are beyond primitive; I understand why this would not be everyone's cup of tea in that none of this was hard to make and would only leave you asking 'why', but for me this is beyond 'why' they just nailed it to the wall.

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 23:13 (nine years ago) link

Moebius / Plank / Neumeier - Zero Set (1983) - I am just assuming everyone has heard this one. Same cascade of infinitely detailed sound design and bizarre little noises that never repeat, but adding Guru Guru drummer Neumeier to the mix takes the techno over the top, and the live drumming pushes this into man-machine hybrid music that makes its own argument, no one has ever done this better. I'm still curious as to how this record was made -- it's pretty early for them to have clocked the sequencers slaving to Neumeier, but that is what it sounds like Plank did. He is a Liebzeit-level robot engineer of a drummer but Neumeier really sounds like he's leading the mix. Every twenty seconds the sounds change and explode out of the speakers, the drums are always getting louder, and they keep dropping the groove into new pockets, this is everything we've gotten used to living without in the age of Ableton Live and settling for conformed loops and this record still sounds like the future or at least I sure fucking hope so.

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 23:21 (nine years ago) link

Moebius - Blue Moon (Soundtrack) (1986) - Have never seen this film but I'll bet you the music works perfectly for it. Eleven short handplayed tracks, many of which don't change or evolve that much; some of them are mostly motorik rhythmic beds with patented Moebius sound-design, but the last track on each side once again gives you classic-era Moebius tunes, particuarly 'Am See'. I think the main instrument is a Casio CZ-101 (aka the cheezy-101, first MIDI keyboard that went on sale for under a thousand dollars, but as the digital programming architecture was laid out in a way that encouraged a lot of weird atonal seasick analog sounds it shouldn't be a surprise if Moebius did take to it). Kind of a dividing line in the discography; things shift considerably after this one.

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 23:28 (nine years ago) link

slow day at work?

geeta, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 23:38 (nine years ago) link

if the 200k sine tone in these headphones glitch even once, the test fails, but otherwise I'm free for twenty minutes at a time with a lot of things to think about

Milton Parker, Thursday, 9 February 2012 00:20 (nine years ago) link

this should have gone in before Blue Moon - made a mistake upthread, it was recorded 1983 after Zero Set, not 1986

Moebius & Plank - En Route (1995, recorded 1983) - The first album that goes full on digital, this is basically Moebius & Plank meet the Emulator digital sampler. There's a good reason why Kraftwerk, Jarre, Schulze pretty much all simultaneously began to release horribly unimaginative music precisely in the mid-80's: the learning curve on programming the 80's machines needed to sufficently evolve the sounds beyond the presets suddenly became very steep, and even if you got there, the interfaces made it a lot more difficult to do so in real time. You couldn't tweak your sounds with multiple faders as you played them on the keyboard; everything was isolated on seperate screens, each submenus deep. You can tell why En Route didn't come out until 1995; these sound like unfinished demos that missed a final trip through Conny's mixer to weird up the sounds, but the digital sequencer has also left all the sounds unusually stiff & hanging on the grid, and a lot of the drum and pad samples are all factory presets. If you can handle the occasional shakuhachi sample, this is still fairly strange music and I'm happy Cluster superfan Russ Curry put this out, but do not expect something on the level of the first three Moebius & Plank records.

Moebius / Plank / Thompson - Ludwig's Law (1998) - Released three years later on Drag City, finally En Route made a bit more sense; they were demos for this album, which had been completed in 1983, and rejected by Sky Records: a collaboration with Mayo Thompson of the Red Crayola, who took the instrumentals and recited spoken / sung poetry over the top of them, as well as adding guitar to one or two tracks. Your mileage is really going to vary with this one; this definitely now seems like a finished album, it's simply left to you to decide if you enjoy what was added. For me I find a few of the tracks are maniacal enough if you hit them as one-offs in iTunes.

Milton Parker, Thursday, 9 February 2012 00:40 (nine years ago) link

Moebius & Renziehausen - Ersatz (1990) & Moebius & Renziehausen - Ersatz II (1992) - These are the first true digital-era Moebius albums, recorded in collaboration with visual artist Renziehausen, whose sonic contribution I am still not entirely clear on; for all the new equipment, this still sounds exactly like Moebius. There are a still lot of typical 80's sample-library sounds and presets, but all warped and deployed in the most unintuitive and ridiculous ways possible, in ways that turn the stiff sequencing into a conceptual advantage. The humor is really turned up to 11 on this record. It also truly understands minimalism; it won't be everyone's cup of tea, but it truly is the case that things that are not interesting for one minute slowly become very interesting over eight. And once again; as with Strange Music, over the last five years a lot of twisted records that return to this era of sound are starting to pop up -- when I try to listen to those records I usually end up taking them off and putting these on.

Milton Parker, Thursday, 9 February 2012 00:49 (nine years ago) link

Moebius / Neumeier / Engler - Other Places (1996) - Expanding the trio with Neumeier to include Jürgen Engler of the industrial / EBM band Die Krupps, these tracks were improvised in real time to stereo over a few days. Neumeier is in a much freer and jazzier mode, and Moebius & Engler lock in on their digital synths in very complimentary ways. The tracks are long and don't sound edited, and some of them perhaps wander a bit; also, if the 80's were a bad time for synth design, the 90's were worse; there are moments where the sound design is not as distinctive as you'd expect it to be. The album starts strong and as they say, the energy is good.

Space Explosion - Space Explosion (1998) On paper, this looks too good to be true: an expansion of the trio of the previous record to include Chris Karrer of Amon Duul II and Zappi & Peron from Faust. All veterans of free-wheeling total improvisation; it is more in the vein of those 70's side-long Amon Duul II freakouts, or the 90's live Faust records, than anything else in Moebius' discography. I listened to it twice when it came out, and once two weeks ago after starting this thread and I've always had trouble engaging with it; I'm a fan of truly freeform music but in some important ways this really is one of those utterly predictable jams where everyone's perfectly competent but it never quite clicks in.

Milton Parker, Thursday, 9 February 2012 01:09 (nine years ago) link

Moebius - Blotch (1999) - Only his second solo album, 16 years after Tonspuren, largely textural sketches that set a drony little mood for a few minutes and then fade -- no melodies on the whole, a very well named album. Underwhelming at first, but towards the end, the 11 minute 'Kohlzug' creeps in and takes over like a modern update of Cluster's 'Rote Riki', and then Tim Story contributes a prepared piano melody to the last track 'Balisong' giving it a lovely ending.

Moebius & Neumeier - Live In Japan (2003) - I would have loved these concerts and they were well recorded. As a record, it wanders a bit.

Moebius & Neumeier - Zero Set 2 (2006) - Like Other Places, sounds like it was recorded live in the studio. Even on the original record, the tracks aren't that structured; they obviously just got into a rhythm and tracked it for five minutes, then began recording and processing the layers. Here, the engine is still present, but calling this a sequel really makes you miss those layers. But this engine still gave the remixers more than enough to work with for the 12" series that followed.

Milton Parker, Thursday, 9 February 2012 01:35 (nine years ago) link

Moebius - Nurton (2006) - This one is actually my favorite of the whole later period, where the technology finally caught back up to what people had to work with in the 70's, but with an extra level of control. The simple tunes are back, and the sounds are all distinctively authored again, and everything's just back to being very strange. There might be a lot more people making oddball electronic home recordings these days, so this is no longer as automatically progressive sounding as it used to be, but it is in some ways one of his more personal-sounding records, and coming this far into his discography, someone who's managed to take the fourth decade of consumer electronic music equipment and make it sound like him ends up being a really valuable example. The last third of this record is the strongest.

Moebius - Kram (2009) - German for 'Stuff' -- definitely a random sounding assortment, piled down with layers that initially don't make very much sense but open up after you listen a few times. Sounds like he is getting much deeper into using software to sequence & structure. The pureed 'library of funk' samples on the last track 'Markt' come off as deeply strange surrealism.

Moebius - Ding (2011) - Going even deeper into computer editing and modern digital sounds; there is even a glitch track. He also dives into self-sampling on this one, building some tracks around samples from the Moebius & Plank records and pushing them to different places. Makes for an even wider variety of sounds this time, and the free-form abstract collages this time are really confusingly lovely. The ten minute track 'Ding' was offered for free on Soundcloud and sounded a little bit too minimal coming over computer speakers, but on headphones or on a good system, the tiny, static changes are reasonably powerful.

Milton Parker, Thursday, 9 February 2012 01:57 (nine years ago) link

Moebius & Tietchens - 20110812 Dockville Festival, Hamburg - Live versions of their forthcoming duo album, already finished, awaiting release, first time they've worked together since Liliental and they are not slacking. Hard to tell who is doing what in this one; I love it when Tietchens does weird rhythmic pop as much as his completely abstract stuff, and some of these rhythmic loops sound like the recent Hematic Sunsets albums he does, sometimes in collaboration with Felix Kubin & Michael Rother; in any case, they are totally thinking as one with this project and I can't wait to hear the studio version (thanks geeta for forwarding this; there are two shows from the last & final Cluster tour up there as well)

Milton Parker, Thursday, 9 February 2012 02:02 (nine years ago) link

OK am I the only one who keeps reading this poll as Doctor Morbius 1978-2011

Darin, Thursday, 9 February 2012 02:45 (nine years ago) link

Good work, Milt! Hope people vote!

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 February 2012 09:42 (nine years ago) link

thanking you mr parker, gonna use this as a listening guide

demolition with discretion (m coleman), Thursday, 9 February 2012 10:11 (nine years ago) link

\(^o^)/ now do the roedelius discog

am0n, Thursday, 9 February 2012 15:28 (nine years ago) link

I simply don't own all of the Roedelius albums

The tone of these reviews is probably a little presumptuous and annoying for ILM but there isn't another website in the world that would publish this

Milton Parker, Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:37 (nine years ago) link

In honor of Milton's reviews, here's a Spotify playlist featuring everything it has on this list. I was almost inclined to keep off all the post-1983 stuff just bc I'd rather listen to the earlier material. But hey, voting is still open.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:34 (nine years ago) link

Incredible. Thanks to Milton and NTI in excelsis.

wiki weimar germanyu (Call the Cops), Friday, 10 February 2012 12:38 (nine years ago) link

Thank you for those reviews!

Brad C., Friday, 10 February 2012 12:56 (nine years ago) link

milton do you have a blog or write anywhere else or anything?

Crackle Box, Thursday, 13 September 2012 12:10 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...


"Very sad news today for all friends of Dieter Moebius and his unique music. Our friend, neighbour and collaborator passed away this morning, July 20th 2015. He will be missed dearly by all of us. Our thoughts go out to his wife, Irene. RIP, Dieter (Möbi)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 20 July 2015 20:02 (six years ago) link

god, I always get nervous when threads like this get bumped

frogbs, Monday, 20 July 2015 20:03 (six years ago) link

Oh no!!! RIP Möbi. Damn. "Tonspuren", where are you?

Possibly Fingers (Tom D.), Monday, 20 July 2015 20:05 (six years ago) link

It's my fault, you guys. I was playing some of his stuff on Spotify just last night after not listening to it for MANY YEARS. Maybe it's not my fault, but it feels like it is.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 20 July 2015 20:16 (six years ago) link

What that guy didn't know about funny noises wasn't worth knowing.

Possibly Fingers (Tom D.), Monday, 20 July 2015 20:23 (six years ago) link


dronestreet, Monday, 20 July 2015 20:48 (six years ago) link

RIP, one of the greats.

tylerw, Monday, 20 July 2015 20:49 (six years ago) link

:( RIP and thanks for all the music

a passing spacecadet, Monday, 20 July 2015 21:01 (six years ago) link

Some Cluster is getting blasted out later. RIP :(

xelab, Monday, 20 July 2015 21:02 (six years ago) link

going to light up a bifter and listen to sowieso before bed the night :(

Rave Van Donk (jim in glasgow), Monday, 20 July 2015 21:06 (six years ago) link

I met him a couple times -- really cool guy

sarahell, Monday, 20 July 2015 21:28 (six years ago) link

The post doesn't say, but he'd been suffering from cancer for a while.

sarahell, Monday, 20 July 2015 21:29 (six years ago) link

so sad. RIP

the late great, Monday, 20 July 2015 21:33 (six years ago) link

More shitty news. Farewell dieter!

feargal czukay (NickB), Monday, 20 July 2015 21:47 (six years ago) link

Oh noooo
Deluxe/Sowiesoso double header right the fuck now
Feel honored to have seen one of the Harmonia shows a few years back

demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Monday, 20 July 2015 22:22 (six years ago) link


in an awkward manor (doo dah), Monday, 20 July 2015 22:28 (six years ago) link

This (sowiesoso) may actually be my favorite kraut-kosmische album of all
Vale dieter

demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Monday, 20 July 2015 23:13 (six years ago) link

Especially sad, this release was just announced July 17:

in an awkward manor (doo dah), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 13:23 (six years ago) link

That box looks awesome. Worth buying for the pop-up alone.

anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 13:37 (six years ago) link

listened to sowiesoso & the first eno/cluster this morning in tribute. beautiful, bittersweet, RIP.

got the club going UP on a tuesday (m coleman), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 13:41 (six years ago) link

Im Ewigkeit

demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 13:45 (six years ago) link

RIP :(

Eno just now tweeted this (if doesn't display, it's Harmonia & Eno 76: Tracks & Traces, full album)

dow, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 23:07 (six years ago) link

Writing this on the train, but this is hitting me harder than I'd expected. I probably have had more affection for Roedelius' music over the years – in part because of his gift for melody and in part because of his story.

But Moebius is no less a monumental figure—in Krautrock, electronic music and in electronic sound design more broadly—that this feels like a particularly big loss. He had an exceptional ear for texture (i.e., Double Cut) and a fabulous sense of humor (i.e., his tracks on Zuckerzeit).

He was also an essential member of a loose collective—K/Cluster obv. but also including Conny Plank, Michael Rother, Brian Eno, Mani Neumeier, among others—that proved a certain kind of collaborative, even communal approach to music making was not only still possible in the wake of the 60s but could be quite groundbreaking artistically. Reading Eno's comments on what it was like to record w Harmonia in Forst and the rustic environment he and HJ had created there was eye-opening (for Eno as well) and an amazing contrast in many ways to the decidedly electric nature of the music.

In many ways, the generous, adventurous spirit of his artistry is as important a part of his legacy as the music itself.


Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 21:21 (six years ago) link

Well said


Brad C., Wednesday, 22 July 2015 21:23 (six years ago) link

Especially sad, this release was just announced July 17:

― in an awkward manor (doo dah), Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:23 AM (Yesterday)

ilxor geeta is writing the liner notes for it. I think she told me that she had a chance to re-interview Moebius recently about it.

sarahell, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 21:31 (six years ago) link

yeah she posted this --

tylerw, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 21:36 (six years ago) link

ha i'm not on twitter

sarahell, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 21:36 (six years ago) link

Well I didn't see Native Teen Idol's spotify list before I did my own - but here's a spotify playlist of every album on the service that Moebius was a part of, including Cluster, Harmonia, and innumerable collaborations over the last 45 years. It's not exhaustive—Spotify just doesn't have everything, including some obvious stuff—but it's still close to 24 hours of music.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 23 July 2015 04:21 (six years ago) link

So sad here, too. Moebius was my favorite synth player by far because he was so focused on sound color and bringing sounds to life. He loves those weird sounds. Each and every one. I particularly admire the kinda intricate and always-changing miniature aspect to most all his work from Zuckerzeit on. Relentlessly psychedelic stuff, for me much more so then most music labelled as such. I counted 31 cds that I own featuring the man last night. I rate at least a half dozen as life-affirming masterpieces. There is a secret part of me that wishes all music were a little more like the music of Moebius. And there is an equally secret part that is glad no other music actually is like his. Dieter Moebius stands alone, even amongst his very worthy peers.

For the record, I think Moebius + Tietchens from 2012 or so is really good and special, I've been listening to it a lot recently, dude went out at the top of his particular game!! Low key, insidiously abstract, spacious and quirky.

liam fennell, Thursday, 23 July 2015 12:19 (six years ago) link

website link to Geeta Dayal piece

curmudgeon, Thursday, 23 July 2015 14:47 (six years ago) link

(i count six)

koogs, Thursday, 23 July 2015 15:39 (six years ago) link

the Moebius & Tietchens CD is ridiculously good

Milton Parker, Thursday, 23 July 2015 16:06 (six years ago) link

Awesome geeta piece
I had no idea he designed the cover for Musik Von Harmonia?!? I'm guessing he did the zuckerzeit art as well then?

Jon not Jon, Thursday, 23 July 2015 16:23 (six years ago) link

Don't think so.

Possibly Fingers (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 July 2015 16:27 (six years ago) link

how did I miss this


thanks for the Moebius/Tietchens recommendation

sleeve, Monday, 27 July 2015 23:49 (six years ago) link

This is a really nice picture (among many others) of Moebius alongside Roedelius. Also: ;_;

EDB, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 02:34 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Would have voted repeatedly for Zero Set. As important as E2-E4 to today's music, even if presaged by later Can and Eno & Byrne in places.

Trigger warning: (Sanpaku), Friday, 14 August 2015 21:10 (six years ago) link

Anyone have opinions on his OST for Blue Moon?

Corn on the macabre (Jon not Jon), Friday, 14 August 2015 21:12 (six years ago) link

>even if presaged by later Can and Eno & Byrne in places.

Czukay was working on early mixes for 'Movies' at Conny's around the same time he played bass on the two Cluster & Eno records, and they all definitely heard each other's works in progress so all of these records are pretty much all in the family

Milton Parker, Friday, 14 August 2015 21:25 (six years ago) link

Ummmm, "Zero Set" is from 1983.

The Tony Hart Land (Tom D.), Friday, 14 August 2015 21:37 (six years ago) link

Ignore that, misread Sanpaku's post! Soz. Plank played on "Der Osten ist Rot" of course.

The Tony Hart Land (Tom D.), Friday, 14 August 2015 21:39 (six years ago) link

two years pass...

New to Spotify, an album from Moebius Story Leidecker called "Familiar". Is this a reissue, or something new pulled from the vaults?

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 6 October 2017 12:10 (four years ago) link

The latter, it seems: New Album from the Moebius Story Leidecker - sessions. October 6th 2017.

willem, Friday, 6 October 2017 12:17 (four years ago) link

More info on the Bureau B website:

willem, Friday, 6 October 2017 12:22 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

the album he did with Wobbly/Jon Leidecker right before he died is really fucking good, I just listened to it three times in a row

flappy bird, Saturday, 16 February 2019 22:46 (two years ago) link

Sure would be cool to know how that record got made ...

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 22 February 2019 05:40 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

finally listening to Zero Set and here are my first two thoughts

1) this is exactly what I was hoping My Life in the Bush of Ghosts was gonna sound like

2) Mouse on Mars may have taken a lot of ideas from this record

frogbs, Sunday, 21 November 2021 03:43 (one week ago) link

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