jop jop jop pazz and jop 2011

Rebecca Black, #51
http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/singles/2011/RnJpZGF5fHx8UmViZWNjYSBCbGFjaw==/

Those are Stones aliases iirc

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Gustavo Turner, the man who voted for Lulu AND "Friday," god bless him:
http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2011/2266645/

tuneyards? didn't see that one coming

did boring people pick album tracks from albums they voted for too this year?

I've literally heard the song ONCE, so i can't imagine why he thinks Bon Iver rock critic nation is bumpin it from their Priuses

― somebody sh1pley the brinks truck (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:14 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

well first of all drake & lil wayne are two of the most popular rappers to prius driving bon iver fans and second of all it was on any urban radio station once every five minutes so i have no idea what your listening to metal albums no one will ever care about while riding the subway ass is talking about

i'm digging into the stats on that at the moment -- on first glance i would say yes but maybe not as much as in the previous couple years (xpost)

lol @ Marchese's singles ballot

http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2011/686347/

"riding the subway ass" is a strange way of describing whiney sitting down

are any of the essays any good? even the ones by the writers i like seem to be about things i don't really care to read about

fuck me. Adele at #1??????

I hope the vv paid alfred for his 30000 comments

haha IT WAS THAT KINDA YEAR

"zan with that lean" beating "look at me now" is a real victory of the chillwave soulja boy generation

are any of the essays any good? even the ones by the writers i like seem to be about things i don't really care to read about

― tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:30 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

#noshots but i'd rather read deej's comment expanded to essay length than any of the actual essays

the entire "zan with that lean" voting block writes or has written for pitchfork, outside of two ppl

Eric Harvey and Maura's intro are first-rate. I'm reading Plagenhoef, St Asaph, and Matos' in a few minutes.

Can someone post the top 10 of each? The Voice website is somehow rejecting my computer any access to it.

1 tUnE-yArDs, w h o k i l l
2 PJ Harvey, Let England Shake
3 Jay-Z and Kanye West, Watch the Throne
4 Wild Flag, Wild Flag
5 Tom Waits, Bad As Me
6 Adele, 21
7 Destroyer, Kaputt
8 Drake, Take Care
9 Bon Iver, Bon Iver
10 Shabazz Palaces, Black Up

1 Adele, "Rolling in the Deep" * **
2 Beyoncé, "Countdown" **
3 Nicki Minaj, "Super Bass"
4 M83, "Midnight City"
5 Jay-Z and Kanye West, "Niggas in Paris"
6 Azealia Banks, "212"
7 Lana Del Rey, "Video Games"
7 Britney Spears, "Till the World Ends" **
9 Adele, "Someone Like You"
10 Foster the People, "Pumped Up Kicks" *
10 Tyler, the Creator, "Yonkers" **

Hm, this album sounds really nice despite the obnoxious spelling.

j0rdan was totally wrong about "I'm On One" but i greatly overestimated how much critics would be willing to vote for a Chris Brown song so we're even i guess

I have the edge on both of you, then, because I thought neither of those songs (which I still have never heard on the radio) had a chance.

sad there's no rich juzwiak essay :(

i had to google wild flag

And you used to live in PDX!

I was gonna say!

Interested in a "what's the highest ranking pazz and jop artist you never heard of"

you know i pay a ton of attention to indie rock. and it looks like they were formed around the time i left.

i wish it was adele
xp

for me:
114. The Vaccines, What Did You Expect From the Vaccines?

Wild Flag's placement is actually my one genuine shock.

The only reason I've heard of the Vaccines is because they were high on the Last.fm year-end chart.

now that "Gucci Gucci" is officially the 7th most acclaimed rap song of 2011 maybe deej can stfu about how critics supposedly all hate Kreayshawn

whiney, trust me, you want to keep it that way.

I'm a bit surprised that Destroyer finished higher than Bon Iver. They were probably neck and neck in the P4K poll, but I'd have thought that Bon Iver (who can sell out pretty large rooms these days) would have done better among a wider pool of critics.

In the end Bon Iver couldn't shake them awake.

i just checked, no one voted for a max b mixtape in 2009

Interested in a "what's the highest ranking pazz and jop artist you never heard of"

49. Charles Bradley

People who voted for Drake -- what drugs are you on? Although to be fair many of the choices on the list make me say whaaa?

downers

have not heard of 'war on drugs' at 49

althoguh my familiarity w/ a lot of other artists only extends as far as "i saw their name on a website (usually ilx) a couple times, couldn't tell you a thing about them"

have not heard of Tunn-yard

have not heard of EMA, but looking at her wiki page i'm thinking i should remedy that

http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2011/2266610/

hahahaha

i've never heard of EMA either. after that, danny brown doesn't ring any bells.

Who the fuck is tUnE-yArDs?

this EMA album is really nice actually

Is Tom Waits the obligatory dad rock vote now?

can't believe wild flag placed so high, that feels really out of left field. had it been getting any widespread or intense critical buzz that i missed?

Wait, what is "terrible" about scottpl's essay exactly?

Black Up hit us harder than anything since Person Pitch dropped back in ‘07

try 2 remember always just 2 have a good time

This is no time to quote Prince.

btw if someone did whiney's suggested anti-'corny indie fuck' edit of the poll wouldn't the top three be kanye/jay, adele, & paul simon?

crossing my fingers for a TuNeYaRDzzz/PaUl sImOn worldbeat collaboration. shit would be hot.

what is "terrible" about scottpl

I hate lines like: "easily digestible, rooted in collective memory and experiences, lo-fi enough to mask amateurishness", when none of those dismissals are particularly true. There's no shortage of truly bad chillwave, electro-pop, and other blog favorites to demonstrate this.

I'm loving the past few years of music because a lot of vows of chastity that straightjacketed indie music for decades fell off in the last 10 years. I credit the laptop becoming today's pawn shop guitar.

btw if someone did whiney's suggested anti-'corny indie fuck' edit of the poll wouldn't the top three be kanye/jay, adele, & paul simon?

Don't forget about Drake!

Or maybe he counts as a corny indie fuck now.

i think iver and foxes votes correlate more strongly with drake votes than they do with kanye votes (though probably most of the people who voted for the former voted for kanye too)

I hate lines like: "easily digestible, rooted in collective memory and experiences, lo-fi enough to mask amateurishness", when none of those dismissals are particularly true. There's no shortage of truly bad chillwave, electro-pop, and other blog favorites to demonstrate this.

this seems like a fair description of the shit i've heard p much

i mean its not like he hasn't championed stuff that falls into this ~style~ either. but i don't even dig into this music like that either, and i know that describes more than a few things w/in the spectrum

can i also just reiterate while were all still here tht the gvsb dude is like a real life version of one of whiney's indie critic caricatures and the idea that his voice/taste/site shld stand-in for 'underground music' fills me w/despair

― HOOS steen is it anyway? (Lamp), Wednesday, January 18, 2012 8:47 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol duly noted

most indie rock has been pretty conservative since the dawn of the 90's. that's when normal people started making it.

― scott seward, Wednesday, January 18, 2012 8:15 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ugh this post is so gross

oh yay, a spirited debate about indie rock!

hmmmmmmmm

Damn - Jess is the person I'm most empathetic with

"ugh this post is so gross"

no way, you're so gross!

we're all gross

http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsG/7089-3908.jpg

i listened to a song from the pj harvey album and why do the background vocals sound like bone thugs n harmony

Where does Mastodon rate at #47 as far as metal albums representing on P&J? Too lazy to look it up... I personally didn't like the record but whatevah.

A minor note for the curious: with the upcoming June 1 shut-down of needlebase.com, my previous stats tool (and former job), I've rebuilt my P&J statistics index in a new standalone form here:

http://furia.com/pjs

There are a lot fewer moving parts than in the Needle version, and less meta-miscellany, but hopefully a) most of the stuff I didn't recreate wasn't actually all that interesting, and b) what's left is easier to navigate and understand.

Sorry about the job, impressed as always with your stats work

(New job is more fun, so that part is good.)

like the look of the new stats page. did the billboard stuff i did for the last 2 polls survive the transition?

The Billboard stuff is in a different database. I've extracted all that data for safekeeping already, but I don't have time to do anything else with it at the moment...

ah ok cool, good to know it's at least saved. when the next poll is approaching i will prob bug you about doing some more w/ it.