S&D: Most gratutitous uses of hip-hop culture as windowdressing.

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e.g. popping and locking in Rod Stewart's "Young Turks" Video.

(NB This thread is a total ripoff of "10 early 80's Pop & R&B Videos Featuring B-Boying & Popping", pg 123 of Ego Trip's Book of Rock Lists by Sacha Jenkins et al)

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 13 September 2002 18:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Jon out of S Club 7 doing The Worm when they did their Saturday morning telly appearances for Don't Stop Moving.

Mr Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 13 September 2002 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link

search: 5ive
destroy: NKOTB

robin carmody (robin carmody), Friday, 13 September 2002 19:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Devo used breakdancers in the video for their woeful cover of "Are You Experienced?" back in `85, which defied all semblance of logic (let alone the fact that behind the dancers -- busily spinning around on a flat square of cardboard -- there was some "graffitti" bearing the inscription: "Devo Rules!" Am I to believe that a bunch of hip-hoppin', body-rockin' b-boys with spray cans in hand would actually go to the trouble of citing the prowess of......Devo? I thought not.

As is often lamented on the Killing Joke list, Jaz Coleman roped in a rapper named JC001 (purportedly his cousin) to supply a rap on the extended mix of the already deplorable "Stay One Jump Ahead" off the universally derided 1988 album, OUTSIDE THE GATE (Killng Joke's justifiably forgotten CUT THE CRAP, if you will). All stripes of sentient creation wept at the atrocity, as both the legacy of Killing Joke and the dignity of the genre of Hip Hop suffered an indelible tarnish.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 13 September 2002 20:01 (eighteen years ago) link

It's all fair in love and war and all of that. Popular culture is there to be exploited, etc, etc...

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 13 September 2002 20:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, back in the 80s, the only black kids on my block were WAY into Devo. I wouldn't have known of the spudboys if it weren't for those kids. And yes, they liked to breakdance (and skateboard and play with legos).

Who cares anyway? In most anyplace in this world, hip-hop "culture" is windowdressing, aside from the Bronx and Brooklyn.

hstencil, Friday, 13 September 2002 20:51 (eighteen years ago) link

"Am I to believe that a bunch of hip-hoppin', body-rockin' b-boys with spray cans in hand would actually go to the trouble of citing the prowess of......Devo? I thought not."

Get thee to MTV Jams and wait for 'em to show the video for Ms. Jade's "Big Head".

Nate Patrin, Friday, 13 September 2002 21:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Who cares anyway? In most anyplace in this world, hip-hop "culture" is windowdressing, aside from the Bronx and Brooklyn.

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jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 September 2002 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

"Who cares anyway? In most anyplace in this world, hip-hop "culture" is windowdressing, aside from the Bronx and Brooklyn."

Note: For the purposes of this post, Park Slope, Williamsburg, Carroll Gardens, Borrum Hill, Bay Ridge, DUMBO and Cobble Hill should not be considered Brooklyn.

Yancey (ystrickler), Friday, 13 September 2002 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Blimey the windows in South London are pretty well-dressed then!

Tom (Groke), Friday, 13 September 2002 21:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm quite sure these days "hip hop culture" is as much windowdressing in Brooklyn and the Bronx as it is in Crescent City, CA or Seoul.

Kris (aqueduct), Friday, 13 September 2002 21:40 (eighteen years ago) link

What about Sunset Park then?

hstencil, Friday, 13 September 2002 21:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Sunset Park = Hip-Hop Heaven

Also, Brighton Beach be bangin'.

Yancey (ystrickler), Friday, 13 September 2002 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link

No need to destroy NKTOB since they broke up a long time ago. Anyhow I just saw Wyclef and Tom Jones on Top of the Pops. (And I thought it could not get any worse with Wyclef.... What will he do next?!?)

nathalie (nathalie), Friday, 13 September 2002 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

That was a pretty lame 2000th show. When the best thing on it is the trance act you have problems.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 13 September 2002 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I am absolutely flummoxed that no one has mentioned Mariah Carey yet.

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 13 September 2002 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Every appearance of Ja Rule, anywhere.

Dave Beckhouse (Dave Beckhouse), Friday, 13 September 2002 22:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought Sunset Park was more tejano/salsa territory, but then again I've only been there once.

hstencil, Friday, 13 September 2002 22:48 (eighteen years ago) link

yes Michaelangelo, actually I was thinking of how shit "Honey" and "Heartbreaker" were only the other day ...

robin carmody (robin carmody), Friday, 13 September 2002 23:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I was thinking for more incongruous breakdancing stuff - the ego trippin list also mentions a dwight twilley video! - which I guess is kind of a dated concept now

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Saturday, 14 September 2002 01:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Every rock band with a token dj who's scratching you never hear but for two seconds in the entire song ala Sugar Ray.

bnw (bnw), Saturday, 14 September 2002 06:04 (eighteen years ago) link

"Every rock band with a token dj who's scratching you never hear but for two seconds in the entire song ala Sugar Ray"

Hear-Here! This goes for most rock bands that incoporate token scratching that you can hear (that is, if you already had not changed the channel).

I'd also add those "Hip-Hop Superstores" of so-called "Hip-Hop clothing" in the malls, and random vocal samples in many electronic(a) songs ala "Get Busy Child".

Joe aka PappaWheelie, Saturday, 14 September 2002 06:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Didn't even Hanson (by way of the Dust Brothers) even incorporate some scratching into their signature hit, "MmmBop"? Moreover, wasn't it also the highlight of the track?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 14 September 2002 08:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Sum-41 going to see a rap coach - "Before, we, like, couldn't rap at all..."

Mr Swygart (mrswygart), Saturday, 14 September 2002 08:34 (eighteen years ago) link

In most anyplace in this world, hip-hop "culture" is windowdressing, aside from the Bronx and Brooklyn.

i do not understand this sentence. i've read many strange things on ilm, but this is one of the strangest (i'm not criticisizing, i just cannot fathom what this actually means)

When the best thing on it is the trance act you have problems

mind you, i'm not entirely sure what this is about either

gareth (gareth), Saturday, 14 September 2002 14:27 (eighteen years ago) link

In most anyplace in this world, hip-hop "culture" is windowdressing, aside from the Bronx and Brooklyn.

I guess my point was, that at this point in history, hip hop (and esp. its "culture," whatever the fuck that is; nobody talks about "culture" in relation to any other type of music, unless it's music from a culture i.e. ethnographic music) has spread so rapidly across the globe (and esp. across the USA) that it no longer can mean anything closely related to what it was. When it became the best-selling genre of music in the USA, who cares who appropriates some weird trope of it, from Hanson (yeah, "Mmmmbop" had scratches) or nu-metal "rapping?"

When Mr. P. Diddy can sell clothing in shopping malls in Iowa, who cares about some washed-up rocker using breakdancers in a video twenty years ago? Hip hop culture isn't in opposition to American culture at large, it is American culture.

And the comment about the Bronx and Brooklyn was more wishful thinking than anything, since those were the places where hip hop originated and flowered.

hstencil, Saturday, 14 September 2002 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

"(and esp. its "culture," whatever the fuck that is; nobody talks about "culture" in relation to any other type of music, unless it's music from a culture i.e. ethnographic music)"

How is hip-hop not 'music from a culture'?

Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 15 September 2002 18:50 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't know if scrathing was the 'highight' of mmm-bop because the song was pretty well all around perfect.

keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 15 September 2002 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Gareth re. the trance comment - generally trance acts on TOTP have pretty drab visuals and usually are a bit forgettable, in this case a) the trance guy was pretty good, b) everything else was awful.

Tom (Groke), Sunday, 15 September 2002 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link

How is hip-hop not 'music from a culture'?

Are you born "hip-hop" as opposed to being born, say, Serbian?

hstencil, Sunday, 15 September 2002 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link

What trance act was it then? Jurgen Vries/Darren Tate?

Siegbran Hetteson (eofor), Sunday, 15 September 2002 21:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah Jurgen Vries and some good/strange costumed dancers.

Tom (Groke), Sunday, 15 September 2002 22:06 (eighteen years ago) link

i just was thinking about that flinstones cereal commercial (fruity pebbles??) where barney is rapping and whatnot

ron (ron), Sunday, 22 September 2002 05:19 (eighteen years ago) link

And not even one mention of Lou Reed's unholy handjob "The Original Wrapper"?

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 22 September 2002 05:45 (eighteen years ago) link


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