Grimes/Claire Boucher thread

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Her 2012 album Visions will be released on 4AD. Net strangers I've come to trust rate it.

The lead leak is electro-Frankie Valli.

der dukatenscheisser (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 03:44 (seven years ago) link

We have a Grimes thread? Oh man! This is the year when Montreal's weird noise pop electronic stuff is going to get attention! Excited!

Looking v. much forward to this album. Vanessa was a highlight of 2011 and while 2009's Geidi Primes is still her best album, Halfaxa was good and her live shows have only improved with time.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 05:14 (seven years ago) link

oh cool - this was one of the things that lamp posted on his sandbox thread that i really liked a lot

sarahel, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 08:47 (seven years ago) link

New track available here. Good stuff.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 5 January 2012 02:19 (seven years ago) link

this one is the one I love (right now).

fffv, Thursday, 5 January 2012 04:29 (seven years ago) link

Whoa. I don't think I have that - which album is it from?

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 5 January 2012 05:02 (seven years ago) link

from what I understand it is another track from the new one.

fffv, Thursday, 5 January 2012 05:10 (seven years ago) link


waka flocka dimes (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 5 January 2012 05:40 (seven years ago) link

I don't think you're in her demographic, sweet

gord downer (Ówen P.), Thursday, 5 January 2012 07:46 (seven years ago) link

i am not sure i can get with this girl's voice

all i see is angels in my eyes (lex pretend), Thursday, 5 January 2012 09:31 (seven years ago) link

probably an unfair comparison but i think of her in connection with gazelle twin, who i discovered at the same time on that sandbox thread, and gazelle twin's music is so much more affecting

all i see is angels in my eyes (lex pretend), Thursday, 5 January 2012 09:32 (seven years ago) link

very strange girl! (unf, i also think she might be one of those people for whom an accelerated hype-cycle is a bad thing. hope i'm wrong.)

sean gramophone, Thursday, 5 January 2012 14:08 (seven years ago) link

I just got the press release.

Moving to Montreal from Vancouver in 2006, she developed Grimes among the city’s burgeoning DIY scene; a scene where both punk ethos and pop music collide, resulting in a distinct sense of community, religiosity and psychedelic revelry.

Were it not for the word "psychedelic" that description brought to mind mall punk.

This new set incorporates influences as wide as Enya, TLC and Aphex Twin, whilst drawing from genres like New Jack Swing, IDM, New Age, K-pop, Industrial and glitch resulting in a record that is both otherworldly and futuristic.

That mix of references simultaneously makes me cringe and curious.

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 5 January 2012 16:40 (seven years ago) link

lists of "influences" are always cringeworthy

Number None, Thursday, 5 January 2012 16:42 (seven years ago) link

an accelerated hype-cycle is a bad thing

It's interesting you'd say that! I'm excited for her success, in a "get money, find rat-free living" sort of way. And although I def feel there's going to be success for Arbutus in the next couple years, I can't say that cash flow + hype is going to have a necessarily positive effect on that scene

gord downer (Ówen P.), Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:34 (seven years ago) link

's musical output.

gord downer (Ówen P.), Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:35 (seven years ago) link

Well BRAIDS has already jumped up out of that scene and into hype, and Native Speaker was a gorgeous record. Curious to see if/when/what Blue Hawaii release next.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 6 January 2012 05:53 (seven years ago) link

i am not sure i can get with this girl's voice

I'm listening to the split with d'Eon from last year at the moment and this is my main issue, although it's only a couple of tracks where it sounds annoying.

The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 15:57 (seven years ago) link

I listened to Halfaxa and wasn't really feeling it - did I start in the wrong place?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 16:13 (seven years ago) link

Yes, i've got an album by her and it's OK, but not much more

Tom D (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 16:15 (seven years ago) link

Geidi Prime is stronger than Halfaxa, imo.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 17:04 (seven years ago) link

But I dunno, it depends on what part of it you aren't feeling.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 17:05 (seven years ago) link

I think "Oblivion" - the first single from the 4AD album - is better than almost anything she's recorded.

sean gramophone, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 17:26 (seven years ago) link

"Oblivion" is awesome. Those synths sounds like universes collapsing on themselves.

"I know its hard to hear but I'm a Realest." (rennavate), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 20:45 (seven years ago) link

Huh, weird, coz I think Halfaxa >>>> Geidi Prime, it's less focused but it's more ambitious and better realised. I don't hear Enya or TLC or Aphex Twin in her music, but it does give an idea of the scope of her range. But then again, at other times, I like her coz she reminds me of those 4AD 4-track weirdoes like Danielle Dax or His Name Is Alive.

Quite pleased that certain elements dislike her (heh) but it is distinctly odd to see her popping up in the NME every now and then. I think she might actually have the ability to sustain making good music despite the hype cycle - someone's third album is a much better place for the hype to kick in, rather than, y'know, the third song.

Damn, I wish I'd saved other links from my arty experimental gothy electronica sandbox thread. The only other artists I can remember having a consensus on were Emika and maybe Laurel Halo? I don't feel like starting it up again.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:52 (seven years ago) link

Barbara Panther, Niki & the Dove, Gazelle Twin, Julia Holter, and iamamiwhoami also got shoutouts.

Plato’s The Cave In Claymation (Sanpaku), Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:57 (seven years ago) link

And Austra.

LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 23:01 (seven years ago) link

this leaked. and it's good, but I don't think it will convince anyone who wasn't prone to be convinced by the previous stuff.

fffv, Saturday, 21 January 2012 02:30 (seven years ago) link

i really don't know what i think of this album

tinie tempurah (lex pretend), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 13:53 (seven years ago) link

there are bits of it that are OH FUCK YES, and there are bits that i am just not down with and a lot of the time it's like she's nearly hitting the spot and then nothing happens

tinie tempurah (lex pretend), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 13:55 (seven years ago) link

I'm loving the background vocals on Vowels = space and time.

Skin is also an early favourite.

Be A Body (侘寂) is totally going to be the next single, right?

This is an album of wonderful moments. Not all of them are 'songs' for me yet, but a lot of them are.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 3 February 2012 22:16 (seven years ago) link

I quite like "Oblivion," not sure yet about the rest.

jaymc, Friday, 3 February 2012 22:34 (seven years ago) link

When is this out, properly? Really want to hear this, the comments are piquing my interest.

Drexciya's Midnight Runners (Wheal Dream), Friday, 3 February 2012 23:37 (seven years ago) link

really digging this myself

Chris S, Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:07 (seven years ago) link

from what I understand, this is out on either the 21st of this month (Arbutus, US and Canada) or the 12th of next month (4AD, most everywhere else). and I hope that previous comments did not imply that I lack enthusiasm. I love Visions a lot, but despite all of the pop aspirations it feels like it was built to inspire obsession from a limited audience.

fffv, Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:28 (seven years ago) link

She definitely has the charm and hooks to pull to a wider audience but her songwriting could use some editing... many times it does sound like the songs drift without any specific purpose and as a whole it drags.

Moka, Saturday, 4 February 2012 05:55 (seven years ago) link

For legit consumers, Visions streaming in its entirety

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:24 (seven years ago) link

Can't. Don't have the bandwidth!


Why couldn't this have been available 2 weeks ago when I still had all you can eat broadband?

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Monday, 13 February 2012 23:00 (seven years ago) link

Given there's nothing on the album I'm bored by, I think editing would inevitably mean reducing the idiosyncratic facets I'm charmed by.

Best thing about Grimes: she has such disinterest (contempt?) for lyrical content as she chirps through her baby birdsong. She might as well be the electropop version of Juliana Barwick..

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Monday, 13 February 2012 23:11 (seven years ago) link

yeh this is excellent

nathey, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:30 (seven years ago) link

"skin" is very pretty, but a bit insubstantial, tho i guess "insubstantial" is kinda the point. soft, sweet, ghostly. don't hear no afx, but enya sure. and i don't hate enya, but i don't love this. got bored before the 6 minutes were up.

"oblivion" is much more immediate. the nothing lyrics are kind of selling me, "look into my eyes and la la la la la, see you on a dark night". that's great! love the synths at the end, too.

want more songs like "oblivion"

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:45 (seven years ago) link

Be A Body (侘寂) is totally going to be the next single, right?

dunno, but it's v nice. enya influence is even more prominent at the beginning, but j-lo too? love the shift to dark propulive beats halfway through.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:00 (seven years ago) link

For lex:
Grimes namechecked a similar/sympatico artist Mozart's Sister whose voice might be more to your liking:

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:18 (seven years ago) link

^ Also of Montreal.

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:19 (seven years ago) link

I'm gonna bookmark this thread for when I've topped up my data bcuz "electronic Juliana Barwick" = WCC catnip if I wasn't onboard already (which I have been since Halfaxa)

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:28 (seven years ago) link

so she made this on garageband, huh?

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:35 (seven years ago) link

Mozart's Sister is also v. good!

They have a three track EP called DEAR FEAR from last year. Maybe they have other stuff too? Not sure.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 18:15 (seven years ago) link

yaaaaaarg, just listening to her stuff now (i'm always way late with everything) and enjoying it a lot. i just took a break from some incredibly bureaucratic shit at work to watch this video and i don't..think..i can go back to work again today

tmi but (Z S), Friday, 17 February 2012 21:41 (seven years ago) link

Skin reminds me of a mix between Enya and Natalie Imbruglia's smoke. Am I too off?

Moka, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:00 (seven years ago) link

Relistened to art angels recently and was reminded Grimes fucking owns and I don’t care what dumb shit she says in interviews or which colossal idiot she dates. We Appreciate Power is great too

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 5 September 2019 03:21 (two months ago) link

Definitely. wheres the single

flappy bird, Thursday, 5 September 2019 04:20 (two months ago) link

tbf she never specified which planet's midnight

Simon H., Thursday, 5 September 2019 04:22 (two months ago) link

it's out in 2 and a half hours here:

also is a collaboration with i_o who seems to be some edm guy i've never heard of?

ufo, Thursday, 5 September 2019 04:26 (two months ago) link

we’ve still got a couple hours until west coast midnight!

untuned mass damper (mh), Thursday, 5 September 2019 04:27 (two months ago) link

So... video is cool, that neoclassical aesthetic is overdone at this point but I’ll always love it. It’s sprinkled with some k-pop vibe which fits her I suppose.

Production is good but the “i like it like that” is mixed in a way that stands out too much and it’s kind of jarring, it’s a stupid hook too but it’s catchy. It’s weird that the more she improves her production techniques, the more generic she sounds to me.

The common link between We appreciate power and this one is the chorus overstays its welcome, it’s repeated until it feels drilled into your brain. I don’t remember her previous chorus being as repetitive as these past two, or maybe there were more ideas thrown in that made me not notice it.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 5 September 2019 07:20 (two months ago) link

I kinda liked WAP but this seems to be not good.

Simon H., Thursday, 5 September 2019 07:34 (two months ago) link

Both 'We Appreciate Power' and this are more palatable to my ears than 90% of Art Angels, so a modicum of cautious optimism is in order. I do agree with Moka that the choruses are insolently repetitive but that was already true of 'Oblivion', wasn't it?

pomenitul, Thursday, 5 September 2019 08:25 (two months ago) link

it's ok but mostly leaves me feeling like she can do a lot better. the vocal melody is nice enough but her vocals are even more indistinct than usual and don't seem to quite fit with the backing track which is very bland and anonymous (blaming i_o for this), so there's not a lot to actually grab onto. if this track were on art angels (songwriting-wise it would have been right at home, it's just the production lets it down) it would have been much more densely packed with hooks

ufo, Thursday, 5 September 2019 08:47 (two months ago) link

i guess a positive is i can barely make out anything she's saying so i have no idea if the lyrics are as silly as "we appreciate power"

ufo, Thursday, 5 September 2019 08:54 (two months ago) link

It’s weird that the more she improves her production techniques, the more generic she sounds to me.

^ this!

ArchCarrier, Thursday, 5 September 2019 09:21 (two months ago) link

Nothing weird about it tbh.

pomenitul, Thursday, 5 September 2019 09:29 (two months ago) link

I haven't listened to Art Angels in a while, but on first listen one of the melodies feels lifted from one of those songs.

☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 5 September 2019 11:49 (two months ago) link

i think it's just a very typically grimes melody, the sort that was all over art angels. that's not a bad thing at all, i just wish the backing was better (and i'm largely blaming her choice of collaborator, i_o, for this since his solo work sounds very similarly bland from the little i listened)

ufo, Thursday, 5 September 2019 12:00 (two months ago) link

improving production at the cost of distinctiveness is a story as old as production itself

this all has a certain “jokers trick” aspect to it ...

Vapor waif (uptown churl), Thursday, 5 September 2019 13:36 (two months ago) link

"my goal is to make climate change fun (lol..??)" - joker

ufo, Thursday, 5 September 2019 13:40 (two months ago) link

tangentially, I did end up seeing the Grimes-boosted Nicole Dollanganger last week and it was a pretty good show!

untuned mass damper (mh), Thursday, 5 September 2019 14:04 (two months ago) link

this is decent but definitely more in the realm of grimes music that poppy et al. have moved into while she was between albums, and thus sounds less exciting

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 5 September 2019 14:22 (two months ago) link

I mean it's weird because supposedly the more you master something the more 'freely' you can push the limit of your knowledge. I mean Picasso had to learn and master how to paint properly first before he evolved it into his own style. According to her Visions was created in Garageband in a week since she couldn't leave her home due to a fever. Even with the rushed job and some of the presets she used it probably is her most creative and unique sounding album.

That said, I didn't know who i_o was or that he was a co-producer in this one, and apparently he is an edm producer which is a red flag in itself, so I'll also send blame of the genericness of this one his way. Is there a genre more generic than EDM in the past decade? I think that might be one of the few genres where it's extremely difficult to tell an artists production work one from another.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:12 (two months ago) link

it's also the difference between working on an album for 2 weeks and working on an album for 2 years

flappy bird, Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:28 (two months ago) link

But also every producer knows that you get the most interesting results out of a piece of gear the first time you use it, when you're exciting and don't really know what you're doing yet.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:40 (two months ago) link

usually yes

flappy bird, Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:47 (two months ago) link

(exciting -> excited)

Also creating without the expectation of an audience vs the knowledge of a huge audience, and the usual curve of your technical expertise and experience going up while the number of good ideas that are most 'you' go down/get used up, etc.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:54 (two months ago) link

Yes those are good points. There’s a lot of pressure on her in this album’s cycle that wasn’t there before and there have been several signs, like behind the curtain drama with her label and the constant re-scheduling.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 5 September 2019 17:43 (two months ago) link

it's also the difference between working on an album for 2 weeks and working on an album for 2 years

― flappy bird, Thursday, September 5, 2019 9:28 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Makes me think of Brian Eno saying how deadlines and small budgets usually make for great records and how no deadlines and endless budgets don’t

winters (josh), Thursday, 5 September 2019 21:09 (two months ago) link

My feeling is ppl are jumping to conclusions way too fast itt; this is more how I hoped “art angels” era would sound, maybe not a home run as a single but I could see being either disappointed or exciting depending on what follows ... not mad at refinement though, a lot of ilx hated “the present lover” for similar reasons & imo that album is a total classic

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 5 September 2019 21:41 (two months ago) link

i personally like the track but i also don't have a particular allegiance to any single grimes style or sound or aesthetic, i'd have been disappointed if she'd stuck to a Visions template. it's hard to remember now how some of her earlier stuff found its way into chillwave threads (where even then something like "Vanessa" stood out as superior to most of the other tracks being posted and that's where i first heard of her) and it's probably good she didn't stick to a predictable path.

omar little, Thursday, 5 September 2019 22:10 (two months ago) link

Oh, I like this much more than WAP

winters (josh), Friday, 6 September 2019 03:42 (two months ago) link

love the way this song sounds

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 6 September 2019 03:43 (two months ago) link

I've listened to it a few more times and I'm enjoying it more than my first listen. I guess the reservation I really have with it is that it sounds like the coda to some longer, more fleshed out song. Which it very well could be, in context of the album, but it's a pretty irritating choice for a first single.

☮ (peace, man), Friday, 6 September 2019 11:12 (two months ago) link

This new song is great, easily the most I've ever enjoyed her music.

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 6 September 2019 13:38 (two months ago) link

this sounds like a good song to do the macarena to

Non stop chantar (crüt), Friday, 6 September 2019 14:09 (two months ago) link


.@Grimezsz is awesome. That is all.

— Andrew Yang (@AndrewYang) September 9, 2019

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 9 September 2019 20:00 (two months ago) link

symphonia mmxx (my wait is ubi)

flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 01:39 (two months ago) link

Pursuing that coveted World Princess vote

what else are you all “over” (Champiness), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 02:46 (two months ago) link

Well, there's not much of a song but I still like this more than almost anything she's done since Visions (I REALLY disliked Art Angels and the following stuff).
So I might be interested in her output again... that's good !

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 10:00 (two months ago) link

i don't get the people who hated art angels but like this because this just sounds like a sketch of an art angels song to me (in a negative way not in positive realiti demo comparison lol)

ufo, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 10:44 (two months ago) link

Well, I guess that's the more understated, minimalist, atmospheric/dreamy, demo aspect that I prefer in her work.
I loved Visions but couldn't stand the OTT production approach of Art Angels.

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 10:53 (two months ago) link


pomenitul, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 10:54 (two months ago) link

And that new track isn't great or anything. But it doesn't annoy me and is nice enough so that's already a big improvement to me !

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 10:54 (two months ago) link

three weeks pass...

will relisten to hear this putative optimization!

Vapor waif (uptown churl), Thursday, 3 October 2019 00:06 (one month ago) link

that show looks rad and i wish i were anywhere near miami so i could go. i had missed the new single until seeing that article. i rlly like it but i want to remix it and add a B section after the breakdown.

davey, Thursday, 3 October 2019 09:29 (one month ago) link

four weeks pass...

unmixed/mastered version of new album has leaked, probably the closest anyone will get to ever hearing this damn thing

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 1 November 2019 09:01 (one week ago) link

why the pessimism? maybe there's something weird going on but the current excuse that they're waiting for vinyl to be pressed before releasing all formats at the same time seems plausible

mh, Friday, 1 November 2019 15:13 (one week ago) link

Is it worth the hunt?

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 1 November 2019 15:21 (one week ago) link

Ok I couldn't resist. I assume the mixing is still being worked out. "So Heavy" in particular sounds like it needs some work done in there but it could sound really good.

Black Swan Blues is a nice surprise, she very rarely uses acoustic guitars as a base composition and it's also a very welcome variation in sound compared to the rest of the album.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 1 November 2019 17:54 (one week ago) link

from what I understand the leak is far from complete, not only in terms of songs but the mixing too

flappy bird, Friday, 1 November 2019 22:58 (one week ago) link

I ended up deleting it after a third listen. I don't like the current aesthetics of it for the most part, the whole sound she is going for in here is very outdated to my ears, it sounds to me like she's trying to beautify some of the worst musical trends of the 90's - but I recon it might improve with further mixing. Song I ended up liking the most is Black Swan Blues but it doesn't sound much like a Grimes song.

I don't know, it seems like a bit of mess tbh and I wouldn't be that surprised if it gets vaulted. I can kind of understand a bit of her previous frustration with it. There some good ideas in there but there's been so much work and time wasted on it that the simplest solution would be to vault it instead of trying to fix it and do something new. Or maybe release one first expecting it to get mixed reviews and then a second, better album a few months apart. It wouldn't be a bad marketing strategy tbh, let the critics tear you down and then lure them back in. Wasn't that the original plan? To do one for the label and another for her? Or am I misremembering how it went?

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 2 November 2019 06:23 (one week ago) link

Was Turrican a Grimes fan?

jmm, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 17:02 (one week ago) link

omg that's the link. only threads with Turrican DNA can be opened.

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 17:04 (one week ago) link

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