Grimes/Claire Boucher thread

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Her 2012 album Visions will be released on 4AD. Net strangers I've come to trust rate it.

The lead leak is electro-Frankie Valli.

der dukatenscheisser (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 03:44 (eleven years ago) link

We have a Grimes thread? Oh man! This is the year when Montreal's weird noise pop electronic stuff is going to get attention! Excited!

Looking v. much forward to this album. Vanessa was a highlight of 2011 and while 2009's Geidi Primes is still her best album, Halfaxa was good and her live shows have only improved with time.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 05:14 (eleven years ago) link

oh cool - this was one of the things that lamp posted on his sandbox thread that i really liked a lot

sarahel, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 08:47 (eleven years ago) link

New track available here. Good stuff.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 5 January 2012 02:19 (eleven years ago) link

this one is the one I love (right now).

fffv, Thursday, 5 January 2012 04:29 (eleven years ago) link

Whoa. I don't think I have that - which album is it from?

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 5 January 2012 05:02 (eleven years ago) link

from what I understand it is another track from the new one.

fffv, Thursday, 5 January 2012 05:10 (eleven years ago) link


waka flocka dimes (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 5 January 2012 05:40 (eleven years ago) link

I don't think you're in her demographic, sweet

gord downer (Ówen P.), Thursday, 5 January 2012 07:46 (eleven years ago) link

i am not sure i can get with this girl's voice

all i see is angels in my eyes (lex pretend), Thursday, 5 January 2012 09:31 (eleven years ago) link

probably an unfair comparison but i think of her in connection with gazelle twin, who i discovered at the same time on that sandbox thread, and gazelle twin's music is so much more affecting

all i see is angels in my eyes (lex pretend), Thursday, 5 January 2012 09:32 (eleven years ago) link

very strange girl! (unf, i also think she might be one of those people for whom an accelerated hype-cycle is a bad thing. hope i'm wrong.)

sean gramophone, Thursday, 5 January 2012 14:08 (eleven years ago) link

I just got the press release.

Moving to Montreal from Vancouver in 2006, she developed Grimes among the city’s burgeoning DIY scene; a scene where both punk ethos and pop music collide, resulting in a distinct sense of community, religiosity and psychedelic revelry.

Were it not for the word "psychedelic" that description brought to mind mall punk.

This new set incorporates influences as wide as Enya, TLC and Aphex Twin, whilst drawing from genres like New Jack Swing, IDM, New Age, K-pop, Industrial and glitch resulting in a record that is both otherworldly and futuristic.

That mix of references simultaneously makes me cringe and curious.

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 5 January 2012 16:40 (eleven years ago) link

lists of "influences" are always cringeworthy

Number None, Thursday, 5 January 2012 16:42 (eleven years ago) link

an accelerated hype-cycle is a bad thing

It's interesting you'd say that! I'm excited for her success, in a "get money, find rat-free living" sort of way. And although I def feel there's going to be success for Arbutus in the next couple years, I can't say that cash flow + hype is going to have a necessarily positive effect on that scene

gord downer (Ówen P.), Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:34 (eleven years ago) link

's musical output.

gord downer (Ówen P.), Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:35 (eleven years ago) link

Well BRAIDS has already jumped up out of that scene and into hype, and Native Speaker was a gorgeous record. Curious to see if/when/what Blue Hawaii release next.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 6 January 2012 05:53 (eleven years ago) link

i am not sure i can get with this girl's voice

I'm listening to the split with d'Eon from last year at the moment and this is my main issue, although it's only a couple of tracks where it sounds annoying.

The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 15:57 (eleven years ago) link

I listened to Halfaxa and wasn't really feeling it - did I start in the wrong place?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 16:13 (eleven years ago) link

Yes, i've got an album by her and it's OK, but not much more

Tom D (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 16:15 (eleven years ago) link

Geidi Prime is stronger than Halfaxa, imo.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 17:04 (eleven years ago) link

But I dunno, it depends on what part of it you aren't feeling.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 17:05 (eleven years ago) link

I think "Oblivion" - the first single from the 4AD album - is better than almost anything she's recorded.

sean gramophone, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link

"Oblivion" is awesome. Those synths sounds like universes collapsing on themselves.

"I know its hard to hear but I'm a Realest." (rennavate), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 20:45 (eleven years ago) link

Huh, weird, coz I think Halfaxa >>>> Geidi Prime, it's less focused but it's more ambitious and better realised. I don't hear Enya or TLC or Aphex Twin in her music, but it does give an idea of the scope of her range. But then again, at other times, I like her coz she reminds me of those 4AD 4-track weirdoes like Danielle Dax or His Name Is Alive.

Quite pleased that certain elements dislike her (heh) but it is distinctly odd to see her popping up in the NME every now and then. I think she might actually have the ability to sustain making good music despite the hype cycle - someone's third album is a much better place for the hype to kick in, rather than, y'know, the third song.

Damn, I wish I'd saved other links from my arty experimental gothy electronica sandbox thread. The only other artists I can remember having a consensus on were Emika and maybe Laurel Halo? I don't feel like starting it up again.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:52 (eleven years ago) link

Barbara Panther, Niki & the Dove, Gazelle Twin, Julia Holter, and iamamiwhoami also got shoutouts.

Plato’s The Cave In Claymation (Sanpaku), Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link

And Austra.

LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 23:01 (eleven years ago) link

this leaked. and it's good, but I don't think it will convince anyone who wasn't prone to be convinced by the previous stuff.

fffv, Saturday, 21 January 2012 02:30 (eleven years ago) link

i really don't know what i think of this album

tinie tempurah (lex pretend), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 13:53 (eleven years ago) link

there are bits of it that are OH FUCK YES, and there are bits that i am just not down with and a lot of the time it's like she's nearly hitting the spot and then nothing happens

tinie tempurah (lex pretend), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 13:55 (eleven years ago) link

I'm loving the background vocals on Vowels = space and time.

Skin is also an early favourite.

Be A Body (侘寂) is totally going to be the next single, right?

This is an album of wonderful moments. Not all of them are 'songs' for me yet, but a lot of them are.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 3 February 2012 22:16 (eleven years ago) link

I quite like "Oblivion," not sure yet about the rest.

jaymc, Friday, 3 February 2012 22:34 (eleven years ago) link

When is this out, properly? Really want to hear this, the comments are piquing my interest.

Drexciya's Midnight Runners (Wheal Dream), Friday, 3 February 2012 23:37 (eleven years ago) link

really digging this myself

Chris S, Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:07 (eleven years ago) link

from what I understand, this is out on either the 21st of this month (Arbutus, US and Canada) or the 12th of next month (4AD, most everywhere else). and I hope that previous comments did not imply that I lack enthusiasm. I love Visions a lot, but despite all of the pop aspirations it feels like it was built to inspire obsession from a limited audience.

fffv, Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:28 (eleven years ago) link

She definitely has the charm and hooks to pull to a wider audience but her songwriting could use some editing... many times it does sound like the songs drift without any specific purpose and as a whole it drags.

Moka, Saturday, 4 February 2012 05:55 (eleven years ago) link

For legit consumers, Visions streaming in its entirety

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:24 (eleven years ago) link

Can't. Don't have the bandwidth!


Why couldn't this have been available 2 weeks ago when I still had all you can eat broadband?

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Monday, 13 February 2012 23:00 (eleven years ago) link

Given there's nothing on the album I'm bored by, I think editing would inevitably mean reducing the idiosyncratic facets I'm charmed by.

Best thing about Grimes: she has such disinterest (contempt?) for lyrical content as she chirps through her baby birdsong. She might as well be the electropop version of Juliana Barwick..

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Monday, 13 February 2012 23:11 (eleven years ago) link

yeh this is excellent

nathey, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:30 (eleven years ago) link

"skin" is very pretty, but a bit insubstantial, tho i guess "insubstantial" is kinda the point. soft, sweet, ghostly. don't hear no afx, but enya sure. and i don't hate enya, but i don't love this. got bored before the 6 minutes were up.

"oblivion" is much more immediate. the nothing lyrics are kind of selling me, "look into my eyes and la la la la la, see you on a dark night". that's great! love the synths at the end, too.

want more songs like "oblivion"

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:45 (eleven years ago) link

Be A Body (侘寂) is totally going to be the next single, right?

dunno, but it's v nice. enya influence is even more prominent at the beginning, but j-lo too? love the shift to dark propulive beats halfway through.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:00 (eleven years ago) link

For lex:
Grimes namechecked a similar/sympatico artist Mozart's Sister whose voice might be more to your liking:

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:18 (eleven years ago) link

^ Also of Montreal.

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:19 (eleven years ago) link

I'm gonna bookmark this thread for when I've topped up my data bcuz "electronic Juliana Barwick" = WCC catnip if I wasn't onboard already (which I have been since Halfaxa)

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:28 (eleven years ago) link

so she made this on garageband, huh?

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:35 (eleven years ago) link

Mozart's Sister is also v. good!

They have a three track EP called DEAR FEAR from last year. Maybe they have other stuff too? Not sure.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 18:15 (eleven years ago) link

yaaaaaarg, just listening to her stuff now (i'm always way late with everything) and enjoying it a lot. i just took a break from some incredibly bureaucratic shit at work to watch this video and i don't..think..i can go back to work again today

tmi but (Z S), Friday, 17 February 2012 21:41 (eleven years ago) link

Skin reminds me of a mix between Enya and Natalie Imbruglia's smoke. Am I too off?

Moka, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:00 (eleven years ago) link

Leaked footage of grimes rehearsing for the women’s debate

grimes at the women’s debate

— lexaprofessional (@queasy_f_bby) August 1, 2023

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 9 August 2023 16:12 (three months ago) link

what a fucking moron

grimes just did an interview with wired and uhhhhh

— Best of Dying Twiter (@bestofdyingtwit) August 8, 2023

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 9 August 2023 18:11 (three months ago) link

And on the Xth Day, the arguments happened.

hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Wednesday, 9 August 2023 18:19 (three months ago) link

I do miss the days when we were blissfully unaware about which of our favourite musicians were fucking idiots.

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 9 August 2023 18:24 (three months ago) link

"With AI you can be in some shitty town where you don’t have access to a good school, and you can have, like, a world-class education."

nashwan, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 20:47 (three months ago) link

Convincing Elon to challenge Mark Zuckerberg to an actual dick measuring contest is pretty funny

bbq, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 23:07 (three months ago) link

When I told my millennial son that I was interviewing her, he questioned her relevance.

mh, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 23:29 (three months ago) link

she was always a dumbass, difference is just it was more endearing when it lead to mostly benign goofy takes and the houseboat story, before she started hanging out with fascists

ufo, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 23:36 (three months ago) link

If anyone asks why I just walked into the woods and was never seen again, just show them this snippet of EM and Grimes’ courtship story

— 🎃Maggie Serota (@maggieserota) August 10, 2023

hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Thursday, 10 August 2023 14:49 (three months ago) link

She's like a college dorm room bong rip that became sentient

chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 10 August 2023 15:19 (three months ago) link

lmao of fucking course Elon is the type of asshole that has to immediately quiz a woman to see if she's a "real fan"

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 10 August 2023 15:21 (three months ago) link

"We can solve climate change with AI and stuff"

Position Position, Thursday, 10 August 2023 15:28 (three months ago) link

i do think she’s riding some post-trump social-energy shift where some people are somehow able to use their incessant idiocy as a source of power; Elons repeated faceplants at twitter and the attendant mockery cresting a feedback loop of motivation to be even more annoying; I feel that Eric Adams has a similar energy. I guess it’s just shamelessness but it seems sort of a case of difference in degree being so complete that it becomes a difference of kind. it’s like the inverse of modern toxic fan culture

I say this because she seems to be adept at the “flood the zone with shit” rhetorical technique that the above mentioned also use; I was expecting the revive to be about this but there’s all sorts of other stupid things to consider now:

I love Lizzo. Not saying I don't believe ppl when bad things happen, but I had dancers mistreated on my watch in ways I didn't find out about until way later. Mebe shit is bad. But loyalty matters to me. Lizzo was kind to me and others for a decade before she was "cool", and…

— 𝔊𝔯𝔦𝔪𝔢𝔰 (@Grimezsz) August 6, 2023

Vapor waif (uptown churl), Thursday, 10 August 2023 15:59 (three months ago) link

has anyone ever said anything good with "just my two cents" appended to it?

rob, Thursday, 10 August 2023 16:01 (three months ago) link

just my roll of nickels

mh, Thursday, 10 August 2023 16:21 (three months ago) link


mark s, Thursday, 10 August 2023 16:25 (three months ago) link

The fallacy there obv being "lizzo being nice to other famous person" doesn't undercut any "lizzo is an asshole to everyday folks under her authority" stories.

omar little, Thursday, 10 August 2023 16:28 (three months ago) link

Grimes weirdly seems like someone who doesn't want to rock the boat with anyone or offend people while she says these insane things, or she thinks they're amazing ideas that couldn't possibly be offensive.

omar little, Thursday, 10 August 2023 16:30 (three months ago) link

She seems to have this 1990s Wired magazine optimism about how technology will fix the world

hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Thursday, 10 August 2023 16:36 (three months ago) link

you guys really don't like Grimes.

DT, Thursday, 10 August 2023 16:37 (three months ago) link

Well let's figure it out. Maybe there's some AI technology that could help us like Grimes again.

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 10 August 2023 16:39 (three months ago) link

In the Wired interview, she claims that she made more money from NFTs than she did from her music career.

peace, man, Thursday, 10 August 2023 17:07 (three months ago) link

The full excerpt gets even worse

"Every now and then, often at the most complex of times, the Creators of Our Simulation—those rascals who conjure up what we are led to believe is reality—drop in a sparky new element, one that creates chaotic new subplots. And thus into Musk’s life in the spring of 2018, amid the emotional tsunami caused by his breakup with Amber Heard, came a waiflike weaver of sounds, Claire Boucher, known as Grimes, a smart and spellbinding performance artist whose appearance would lead to new children, on-and-off domesticity, and even a public battle with an unhinged rapper.
Born in Vancouver, Grimes had produced four albums by the time she started dating Musk. Drawing on science fiction themes and memes, her mesmerizing music combined sonic texture with elements of dream pop and electronica. She had an adventuresome curiosity that led her to become interested in eclectic ideas, such as a thought experiment known as Roko’s basilisk, which posits that artificial intelligence could get out of control and torture any human who had not helped it gain power. These are the types of things that she and Musk worry about. When Musk wanted to tweet a pun about it, he Google-searched to find an image, and he discovered that Grimes had made it an element of her 2015 music video “Flesh without Blood.” She and Musk got into a Twitter exchange that led, in the modern way, to direct-messaging and texting.
They had met before and, ironically, it was when Musk was in an elevator with Amber Heard. “Remember that elevator meeting?” Grimes asked during a late-night conversation I had with her and Musk. “I mean that was super weird.”
“Of all the times to meet,” Musk agreed. “You were staring at me very intensely.”
“No,” she corrected, “you were the one giving me a weird stare.”
After they met again through the Roko’s basilisk exchange on Twitter, Musk invited her to fly up to Fremont to visit his factory, his idea of a good date. “We just walked the floor all night, and I watched him try to fix things,” Grimes says. The next night, while driving her to a restaurant, he showed how fast the car accelerated, then took his hands off the wheel, covered his eyes, and let her experience Autopilot. “I was like, oh shit, this guy is fucking crazy,” she says. “The car was signaling and changing lanes by itself. It felt like a scene out of a Marvel movie.” At the restaurant, he carved “EM+CB” on the wall.
When she compared his powers to those of Gandalf, he gave her a rapid-fire trivia test on Lord of the Rings. He wanted to see whether she was truly a faithful fan. She passed. “That mattered to me,” Musk says. As a gift, she gave him a box of animal bones she had collected. In the evenings, they listened to Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History and other history podcasts and audiobooks. “The only way I could be in a serious relationship is if the person I’m dating can also listen to an hour of, like, war history before bed,” she says.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 10 August 2023 17:08 (three months ago) link

amusingly that excerpt does actually capture that "we forced an AI to listen to 1000 hours of Grimes interviews" style of posting

frogbs, Thursday, 10 August 2023 17:19 (three months ago) link

In the Wired interview, she claims that she made more money from NFTs than she did from her music career.

I 100% believe this

the new drip king (DJP), Thursday, 10 August 2023 17:28 (three months ago) link

And she made even more money having Apartheid Clyde’s bebes

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 10 August 2023 18:02 (three months ago) link

yeah, NFTs are stupid AF, but some people are still making quite a lot of money off them

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 10 August 2023 18:29 (three months ago) link

in 2023??

frogbs, Thursday, 10 August 2023 18:30 (three months ago) link

i feel like grimes' audience is probably the exact demo that would be suckers for nft bullshit

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 August 2023 18:55 (three months ago) link

the people she's djing for now definitely were

mh, Thursday, 10 August 2023 21:42 (three months ago) link

It'd be funny if Musk was down for buy(back)ing the Grimes NFTs but then even he thought it was money down the drain garbage.

nashwan, Thursday, 10 August 2023 21:57 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

From the excerpts from Musk’s book I’ve read she comes across as so unlikable, also this laughable lie: gets crushed by the biographer describing their mansion with a house staff of which Claire was “distrustful and demanding”.

I got challenged in this thread back in 2018 because I guess I was one of her first ex-fans in here to start seeing thru her bullshit, but her latest passive agressive burn-delete tweet against that other Musk breeding vessel, Shivon, was still so disappointing and somewhat sad.

I need to stop following whatever’s going on with her, at this point I don’t think she’ll ever do or say anything that makes me say “oh that’s cool” anymore.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 20 September 2023 10:23 (two months ago) link

very strange girl! (unf, i also think she might be one of those people for whom an accelerated hype-cycle is a bad thing. hope i'm wrong.)

― sean gramophone, Thursday, January 5, 2012 9:08 AM (eleven years ago)

sean gramophone, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 11:58 (two months ago) link

Okay, another thought about potentially why Grimes is good but I can't invest myself fully - she's a popular kid masquerading as a weirdo, and that makes real weirdos feel even more alienated from society at large (I am a real weirdo).

― emil.y, Thursday, 21 January 2016 14:38 (seven years ago) bookmarkflaglink

imago, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 12:13 (two months ago) link

nah she's a genuine weirdo (derogatory)

Murgatroid, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 12:18 (two months ago) link

yeah, she was definitely not the "popular kid masquerading as a weirdo"

sean gramophone, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 12:44 (two months ago) link

I mean of course she is weird and so is her on-off manpig blob, but there’s a great amount of calculation of her “character”. She herself keeps calling Grimes a character, she gets to choose which shallow thing is part of the act.

I’m aware this will sound like I’m a gatekeeper but Elon and herself call themselves massive sci-fi/fantasy geeks and all they ever reference is idk massively popular things like Game of Thrones, LOTR, DUNE or some fantasy/sci fi playstation game. So many things she says have always sounded fake to me. Like “look at how kooky and random I am!”

With artists like say Kate Bush or Bjork - per example - the weird feels genuine and not just part of an act. That is just how they really are. And in turn it doesn’t feel pathetic when they go past their 40’s and are still behaving somewhat childlike and eccentric. They are just wired like that and it’s attractive.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 20 September 2023 13:35 (two months ago) link


imago, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 13:38 (two months ago) link

Everything about her just screams tourist to me. There’s nothing inherently bad about being a tourist, but there’s artists like say David Bowie that made his tourism something artistic and worthwhile for the most part. She has just being doing cryptofascist bullshit tourism.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 20 September 2023 13:45 (two months ago) link

David Bowie’s fascist tourism didn’t last for 6+ years and we got Station to Station out of it. With her we’ve got… an nft collection.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 20 September 2023 13:49 (two months ago) link

i have a contrasting view: she is genuinely and deeply interested in these things, but was acclaimed so early (and so much) for her work that she thinks it is enough to skim and riff on these topics; she doesn't recognize that great work relies on deep reflection, investment and original invention using canon as a stepping-off point.

it's like someone who gets famous for the first painting they ever throw together; they could be led to think that great paintings are made casually, almost unthinkingly, just so long as one is genius enough (as they believe they are)

sean gramophone, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 13:50 (two months ago) link


ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 20 September 2023 13:50 (two months ago) link

I am agreeing with that point somewhat. But that’s the thing, her tourism has proven to be very shallow.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 20 September 2023 13:51 (two months ago) link

seriously though her entire set of interests and aesthetics make her like a sentient tumblr feed from whatever years she was most active

mind blown when someone reposts an excerpt of isacc asimov's wiki page and then it's back to scrolling through sexy anime robots

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 20 September 2023 13:56 (two months ago) link

a big thing is just she lost interest in music to a large degree and became wealthy enough (she made millions from nft sales lol) that she didn't really need to care about her career too much.

She herself keeps calling Grimes a character, she gets to choose which shallow thing is part of the act.

she is nowhere near savvy enough to do this though. for better and worse she's always been incredibly unfiltered

ufo, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 14:27 (two months ago) link

Btw some of the segments on this video are overreaching and most are common knowledge if you’ve been following her downfall, but just in case you’re still on the cringe claire train, there’s some pretty damning facts in here:

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 20 September 2023 15:07 (two months ago) link

I do think she's a genuine weirdo, I don't think we should doubt the sincerity of her weirdness just because she's become a lamestain. I still think everything up to and including Miss anthropocene is great, but I haven't really listened to any of her music since then. It does seem like she's lost interest in music at least in the way that is actually compelling versus some bs neo-futurist conception of what art is. I'm not even offended by it, it just seems like a strange trip to take, by someone who seemingly doesn't understand what made her music great in the first place. I really don't know what to make of her, and would probably just prefer to not think about her versus damning her.

omar little, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 15:37 (two months ago) link

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