Grimes/Claire Boucher thread

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Her 2012 album Visions will be released on 4AD. Net strangers I've come to trust rate it.

The lead leak is electro-Frankie Valli.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpKqQ8fsBQs

der dukatenscheisser (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 03:44 (nine years ago) link

We have a Grimes thread? Oh man! This is the year when Montreal's weird noise pop electronic stuff is going to get attention! Excited!

Looking v. much forward to this album. Vanessa was a highlight of 2011 and while 2009's Geidi Primes is still her best album, Halfaxa was good and her live shows have only improved with time.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 05:14 (nine years ago) link

oh cool - this was one of the things that lamp posted on his sandbox thread that i really liked a lot

sarahel, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 08:47 (nine years ago) link

New track available here. Good stuff.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 5 January 2012 02:19 (nine years ago) link

this one is the one I love (right now).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEeQ758ldqo

fffv, Thursday, 5 January 2012 04:29 (nine years ago) link

Whoa. I don't think I have that - which album is it from?

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 5 January 2012 05:02 (nine years ago) link

from what I understand it is another track from the new one.

fffv, Thursday, 5 January 2012 05:10 (nine years ago) link

terrible

waka flocka dimes (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 5 January 2012 05:40 (nine years ago) link

I don't think you're in her demographic, sweet

gord downer (Ówen P.), Thursday, 5 January 2012 07:46 (nine years ago) link

i am not sure i can get with this girl's voice

all i see is angels in my eyes (lex pretend), Thursday, 5 January 2012 09:31 (nine years ago) link

probably an unfair comparison but i think of her in connection with gazelle twin, who i discovered at the same time on that sandbox thread, and gazelle twin's music is so much more affecting

all i see is angels in my eyes (lex pretend), Thursday, 5 January 2012 09:32 (nine years ago) link

very strange girl! (unf, i also think she might be one of those people for whom an accelerated hype-cycle is a bad thing. hope i'm wrong.)

sean gramophone, Thursday, 5 January 2012 14:08 (nine years ago) link

I just got the press release.

Moving to Montreal from Vancouver in 2006, she developed Grimes among the city’s burgeoning DIY scene; a scene where both punk ethos and pop music collide, resulting in a distinct sense of community, religiosity and psychedelic revelry.

Were it not for the word "psychedelic" that description brought to mind mall punk.

This new set incorporates influences as wide as Enya, TLC and Aphex Twin, whilst drawing from genres like New Jack Swing, IDM, New Age, K-pop, Industrial and glitch resulting in a record that is both otherworldly and futuristic.

That mix of references simultaneously makes me cringe and curious.

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 5 January 2012 16:40 (nine years ago) link

lists of "influences" are always cringeworthy

Number None, Thursday, 5 January 2012 16:42 (nine years ago) link

an accelerated hype-cycle is a bad thing

It's interesting you'd say that! I'm excited for her success, in a "get money, find rat-free living" sort of way. And although I def feel there's going to be success for Arbutus in the next couple years, I can't say that cash flow + hype is going to have a necessarily positive effect on that scene

gord downer (Ówen P.), Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:34 (nine years ago) link

's musical output.

gord downer (Ówen P.), Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:35 (nine years ago) link

Well BRAIDS has already jumped up out of that scene and into hype, and Native Speaker was a gorgeous record. Curious to see if/when/what Blue Hawaii release next.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 6 January 2012 05:53 (nine years ago) link

i am not sure i can get with this girl's voice

I'm listening to the split with d'Eon from last year at the moment and this is my main issue, although it's only a couple of tracks where it sounds annoying.

The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 15:57 (nine years ago) link

I listened to Halfaxa and wasn't really feeling it - did I start in the wrong place?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 16:13 (nine years ago) link

Yes, i've got an album by her and it's OK, but not much more

Tom D (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 16:15 (nine years ago) link

Geidi Prime is stronger than Halfaxa, imo.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 17:04 (nine years ago) link

But I dunno, it depends on what part of it you aren't feeling.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 17:05 (nine years ago) link

I think "Oblivion" - the first single from the 4AD album - is better than almost anything she's recorded.

sean gramophone, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 17:26 (nine years ago) link

"Oblivion" is awesome. Those synths sounds like universes collapsing on themselves.

"I know its hard to hear but I'm a Realest." (rennavate), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 20:45 (nine years ago) link

Huh, weird, coz I think Halfaxa >>>> Geidi Prime, it's less focused but it's more ambitious and better realised. I don't hear Enya or TLC or Aphex Twin in her music, but it does give an idea of the scope of her range. But then again, at other times, I like her coz she reminds me of those 4AD 4-track weirdoes like Danielle Dax or His Name Is Alive.

Quite pleased that certain elements dislike her (heh) but it is distinctly odd to see her popping up in the NME every now and then. I think she might actually have the ability to sustain making good music despite the hype cycle - someone's third album is a much better place for the hype to kick in, rather than, y'know, the third song.

Damn, I wish I'd saved other links from my arty experimental gothy electronica sandbox thread. The only other artists I can remember having a consensus on were Emika and maybe Laurel Halo? I don't feel like starting it up again.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:52 (nine years ago) link

Barbara Panther, Niki & the Dove, Gazelle Twin, Julia Holter, and iamamiwhoami also got shoutouts.

Plato’s The Cave In Claymation (Sanpaku), Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:57 (nine years ago) link

And Austra.

LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 23:01 (nine years ago) link

this leaked. and it's good, but I don't think it will convince anyone who wasn't prone to be convinced by the previous stuff.

fffv, Saturday, 21 January 2012 02:30 (nine years ago) link

i really don't know what i think of this album

tinie tempurah (lex pretend), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 13:53 (eight years ago) link

there are bits of it that are OH FUCK YES, and there are bits that i am just not down with and a lot of the time it's like she's nearly hitting the spot and then nothing happens

tinie tempurah (lex pretend), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 13:55 (eight years ago) link

I'm loving the background vocals on Vowels = space and time.

Skin is also an early favourite.

Be A Body (侘寂) is totally going to be the next single, right?

This is an album of wonderful moments. Not all of them are 'songs' for me yet, but a lot of them are.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 3 February 2012 22:16 (eight years ago) link

I quite like "Oblivion," not sure yet about the rest.

jaymc, Friday, 3 February 2012 22:34 (eight years ago) link

When is this out, properly? Really want to hear this, the comments are piquing my interest.

Drexciya's Midnight Runners (Wheal Dream), Friday, 3 February 2012 23:37 (eight years ago) link

really digging this myself

Chris S, Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:07 (eight years ago) link

from what I understand, this is out on either the 21st of this month (Arbutus, US and Canada) or the 12th of next month (4AD, most everywhere else). and I hope that previous comments did not imply that I lack enthusiasm. I love Visions a lot, but despite all of the pop aspirations it feels like it was built to inspire obsession from a limited audience.

fffv, Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:28 (eight years ago) link

She definitely has the charm and hooks to pull to a wider audience but her songwriting could use some editing... many times it does sound like the songs drift without any specific purpose and as a whole it drags.

Moka, Saturday, 4 February 2012 05:55 (eight years ago) link

For legit consumers, Visions streaming in its entirety

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:24 (eight years ago) link

Can't. Don't have the bandwidth!

*cries*

Why couldn't this have been available 2 weeks ago when I still had all you can eat broadband?

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Monday, 13 February 2012 23:00 (eight years ago) link

Given there's nothing on the album I'm bored by, I think editing would inevitably mean reducing the idiosyncratic facets I'm charmed by.

Best thing about Grimes: she has such disinterest (contempt?) for lyrical content as she chirps through her baby birdsong. She might as well be the electropop version of Juliana Barwick..

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Monday, 13 February 2012 23:11 (eight years ago) link

yeh this is excellent

nathey, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:30 (eight years ago) link

"skin" is very pretty, but a bit insubstantial, tho i guess "insubstantial" is kinda the point. soft, sweet, ghostly. don't hear no afx, but enya sure. and i don't hate enya, but i don't love this. got bored before the 6 minutes were up.

"oblivion" is much more immediate. the nothing lyrics are kind of selling me, "look into my eyes and la la la la la, see you on a dark night". that's great! love the synths at the end, too.

want more songs like "oblivion"

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:45 (eight years ago) link

Be A Body (侘寂) is totally going to be the next single, right?

dunno, but it's v nice. enya influence is even more prominent at the beginning, but j-lo too? love the shift to dark propulive beats halfway through.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:00 (eight years ago) link

For lex:
Grimes namechecked a similar/sympatico artist Mozart's Sister whose voice might be more to your liking:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy1u4v2LIfU

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:18 (eight years ago) link

^ Also of Montreal.

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:19 (eight years ago) link

I'm gonna bookmark this thread for when I've topped up my data bcuz "electronic Juliana Barwick" = WCC catnip if I wasn't onboard already (which I have been since Halfaxa)

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:28 (eight years ago) link

so she made this on garageband, huh?

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:35 (eight years ago) link

Mozart's Sister is also v. good!

They have a three track EP called DEAR FEAR from last year. Maybe they have other stuff too? Not sure.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 18:15 (eight years ago) link

yaaaaaarg, just listening to her stuff now (i'm always way late with everything) and enjoying it a lot. i just took a break from some incredibly bureaucratic shit at work to watch this video and i don't..think..i can go back to work again today

tmi but (Z S), Friday, 17 February 2012 21:41 (eight years ago) link

Skin reminds me of a mix between Enya and Natalie Imbruglia's smoke. Am I too off?

Moka, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:00 (eight years ago) link

I did a little Googling of my own last night, and also couldn't find any indication of how Grimes may actually be connected to the label (I couldn't even find its corporation record, tbh).

yes m!ch!gan - the feeling's forever (morrisp), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 17:59 (one month ago) link

But these sort of institutions and their budgets are completely dwarfed by, say, "the amount of money the federal government uses to stimulate the, say, softwood lumber economy", and so I always get frustrated by people clay-pigeoning certain recipients of broader industry stimulations as a method to criticize the entire mechanism as a whole

As a grateful recipient of Canadian art grants, I think I am in a safe position to criticize structural problems within the institutions, my intentions are to better the institutions. Giving a life changing amount of money to someone who does not need it, when so many artists are struggling to pay rent might be symptomatic of a broken mechanism, this is one story that gets headline because Grimes is huge, but it's something you see through and through, that has been debated for years now, and Grimes being the partner of the second richest person in the world should be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:01 (one month ago) link

all that is great and everything, but claire -who is the mother of the child of the second richest person in our current civilization- needless to say, probably didn't need that money.
especially during this year which has seen socioeconomic changes that will take generations to recover from in some places. at least donate it or something for crying out loud.

it just seems a tad tone deaf, but i reckon she could have titled her most recent album just that and would still have plenty of people at the ready to defend her. it's like amanda palmer leveled up at this point, honestly.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:05 (one month ago) link

xp Are there struggling artists who are being turned down for grants because the fund is depleted?

Austin, it's still not clear that Grimes had anything to do with the application.

yes m!ch!gan - the feeling's forever (morrisp), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:06 (one month ago) link

It is not even clear that the money is going to her.

In general principle, though, what would you guys suggest? Would you support a means test for arts grants?xp

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:08 (one month ago) link

xp Are there struggling artists who are being turned down for grants because the fund is depleted?

Yes. It's a fixed budget, they only give out so much per year (twice a year). (Prior to the pandemic, might be different because of the emergency nature of everything).

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:09 (one month ago) link

Now for the music industry and that specific grant I do not know if it's different.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:13 (one month ago) link

Would you support a means test for arts grants?xp

― actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, November 25, 2020 1:08 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

Something like that, the same way private high schools shouldn't receive govt funding, artists who have a clear access to funds and/or to a sustainable market shouldn't receive funds.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:15 (one month ago) link

FACTOR is explicitly meant to promote a commercial music industry in Canada. It seems like it might be more analogous to other industrial subsidies (for things ranging from lumber or dairy to video games and engineering firms) than to something like the Canada Council: https://www.factor.ca/about-the-foundation/what-we-fund/
xp

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:17 (one month ago) link

artists who have a clear access to funds

This was in the article, too - I still find it to be a weird thing to say. Without knowing how Musk & Grimes arrange their finances, it's defining a woman by her husband (and his wealth).

yes m!ch!gan - the feeling's forever (morrisp), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:25 (one month ago) link

Independently of Musk, Grimes is doing very well as an artist, and doesn't even reside in Canada anymore.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:27 (one month ago) link

I checked the historical list of FACTOR recipients; fwiw, Grimes has been on there several times in the past (2015 & 2016). There are many other entries for Crystal Math over the years, with different artists listed.

yes m!ch!gan - the feeling's forever (morrisp), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:27 (one month ago) link

If Grimes is a part owner of Crystal Meth and received funds as a part-owner of Crystal Meth then I have no problems with this at all.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:28 (one month ago) link

it's defining a woman by her husband (and his wealth)

Are they even married?

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:28 (one month ago) link

The money is going to the label, not Grimes, in something called a Comprehensive Music Company grant. Crystal Math Music will use it to release records by Canadian artists on their roster. Those acts include Emily Haines, Half Moon Run, and Metric.

Will any of that money go to any Grimes records? Possibly, but it wouldn’t be a smart business move. That money would be better used to nurture those other acts currently on the label and prospective signings. Besides, Elon is a music nut himself. Think they don’t have a state-of-the-art recording studio at their place in Pasadena?

I'm curious why exactly the company is allowed to leverage Grimes's name for a grand application if the money most likely isn't supporting her.

umarell of the year (jmm), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:29 (one month ago) link

*grant, sorry

umarell of the year (jmm), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:30 (one month ago) link

Are they even married?

Looks like maybe they’re not! Makes my point even stronger.

yes m!ch!gan - the feeling's forever (morrisp), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:35 (one month ago) link

Hm, I'm not sure Cross was totally right. Looking over the list of recipients here, there are some grants that went just to Crystal Math but also a $20K grant that went to Crystal Math to finance a Grimes video and a $90K "comprehensive music company" for Crystal Math that also lists Grimes as "artist" - so maybe the funds are going to promote her?

I'm not a fan of her music at all but I don't really get the "already very successful" issue in her case: she hasn't had a top 40 hit or gold album afaict. It's not really the same as if they were giving out grants for Bryan Adams and Drake to make videos.

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:43 (one month ago) link

here = https://www.factor.ca/factorfunded/recipients/

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:43 (one month ago) link

I’ll define Grimes by her ability to have world tours, music videos, delayed album releases, an incredible network within the music industry, a very large set of fans and by the fact that she probably doesn’t even contribute to canadian taxes. All in constrast to some First Nations artists who can wait up to 5 years to receive less than 90 000$ to make a second record. In a hypothetical world where Musk and Grimes doesn’t meet, it would seem grotesque to most Canadian artists. Now, let me be rather certain that being the life partner to the second wealthiest man on earth does have an impact on her financial situation.

Heck, she is zero to blame here and she isn’t the source of the problem and yet people feel the need to defend at every turn as if she’s some sort of perpetual victim.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:43 (one month ago) link

Wolf Parade do those things, they’ve received grants four times.

yes m!ch!gan - the feeling's forever (morrisp), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:49 (one month ago) link

Like I said, I'm not a fan of Grimes. I do think a Canadian music industry is worth supporting at multiple levels but the issues of equity and nepotism do concern me so the story interests me - and so far, I'm not sure this story is evidence of a systemic problem. It sounds like you would want to revamp FACTOR and the granting system altogether to make it focused on promoting those who are actually in need, which is a valid position but is, I think, more extreme than mine.

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:50 (one month ago) link

xp

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:50 (one month ago) link

But if people are being defensive about Grimes, it's probably bc MtlBlog and National Post are making this explicitly about Grimes herself and her partner.

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:54 (one month ago) link

It was late last night and I posted the wrong link

https://factorportalprod.blob.core.windows.net/portal/Documents/FACTOR_Recipients_List.pdf

Here it is

A complete list of all the recipients of FACTOR funding 2019-2020. You will scroll, and scroll, and scroll, and scroll some more-- 2k CAD seems to be the base minimum for a grant. You will see very few artists you recognize; as somebody who is "in the loop", even I see very few artists I recognize, although the few that I see constitute pretty-much EVERYBODY I know who lives in Canada and works as a musician.

My conclusion is: FACTOR ~is~ funding those who deserve funding-- both those who we know create worthy work, and those who we don't know (and need the assistance). Speaking personally, too: when you get a video grant, that money goes to the video artist. When you get a publicity grant, that money goes to the publicist. "Is FACTOR saving you money?" kind of? but not actually? it's paying for things that I (personally) would not be able to afford without funding.

I myself am NOT defensive of Grimes. If she is, or organizations she's affiliated with are, going to apply for arts funding, it would be helpful/wise to be accountable by publicly acknowledging this application, and stating what the intention is for any funds received.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to what Niko has to write about all of this

Hey friends, I found a home for my voice on the Grimes thing. Thanks for everyone having my back on that, I really, really appreciate it.

— Niko Stratis (@nikostratis) November 25, 2020

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:57 (one month ago) link

But if people are being defensive about Grimes, it's probably bc MtlBlog and National Post are making this explicitly about Grimes herself and her partner.

Never read either of these two publications imo!

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:01 (one month ago) link

Like, FACTOR, a federal $25m granting system has been going for years, and is so well-funded, because it's been found to work; subsidizing a music industry is good for other industries, as well.

And as I mentioned yesterday-- there are other granting institutions (specifically Starmaker) that DO give money to the money-est of the monied, to Celine, to Shania, to Bryan, to Drake, to Bieber. (Note: I do not know if Starmaker actually grants money to the aforementioned artists, but they are certainly eligible.) To be eligible, you have to meet a certain (very high) sales/streaming requirement. I am much more interested in this being investigated, personally-- although I intuit that it's still a highly positive thing, as this is not about "helping out needy artists", this is about stimulating an industry

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:02 (one month ago) link

It's worth noting maybe that on the Spotify thread, a few weeks back, when I was catching hands for saying "Spotify is a wonderful product and an excellent way for music to be transmitted"-- because it is-- even if the pay-out is crap and broken and Daniel Ek should be killed, smoked, and eaten-- that one of the primary solutions I felt would solve the problem is "more government funding for musicians". We can (and should) eat Daniel Ek, but it won't change the fact that recorded music and its usage has irreversibly been devalued, and if it's going to continue being created, it's going to require some other method of sustaining it. Considering how the music industry has (compared to other industries) such a low operating cost, it makes sense (to me) that creating a system where it subsists on government funding is a no-brainer

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:06 (one month ago) link

Like I said, I'm not a fan of Grimes. I do think a Canadian music industry is worth supporting at multiple levels but the issues of equity and nepotism do concern me so the story interests me - and so far, I'm not sure this story is evidence of a systemic problem. It sounds like you would want to revamp FACTOR and the granting system altogether to make it focused on promoting those who are actually in need, which is a valid position but is, I think, more extreme than mine.

Funding labels with their costs for promotions and other expenses that do not have tangible financial gains is a good thing, and of course it will somehow end up helping the likes of Emily Haines or Tegan and Sara, and if Grimes is a part owner of one of these labels then so be it, I have no problems with that.

I come from a place/industry where some artists keep getting financed over and over and over at the expense of others despite no commercial success and I probably over stepped and saw nepotism where they might be none at all.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:08 (one month ago) link

at the expense of others

I don't think it works like this, personally, but that said, if I have any ire, it's less "Grimes got $90k" and more "Beverly Glenn-Copeland only got $10k"

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:12 (one month ago) link

And again, "Tegan & Sara getting government money" is! ultimately! a! good! thing! Bands that big are effectively cottage industries, that money is going to the thousands of people who work for them, it's not going into "buying Sara a pony". And again: I think it'd be great if bands that big, if they decided to apply, show their work, or don't apply. Arcade Fire do not apply for government money. Destroyer has only started to do so recently-- he has a large band to feed, I'm glad he's getting funded-- but for years he and that whole crew of musicians (including their Victoria-originating sisters and brothers, Wolf Parade i.e.) did not apply out of principle.

It's nice to log on to the FACTOR website and see Rollie staring intensely at you, gotta say

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:17 (one month ago) link

It's worth noting maybe that on the Spotify thread, a few weeks back, when I was catching hands for saying "Spotify is a wonderful product and an excellent way for music to be transmitted"-- because it is-- even if the pay-out is crap and broken and Daniel Ek should be killed, smoked, and eaten-- that one of the primary solutions I felt would solve the problem is "more government funding for musicians". We can (and should) eat Daniel Ek, but it won't change the fact that recorded music and its usage has irreversibly been devalued, and if it's going to continue being created, it's going to require some other method of sustaining it. Considering how the music industry has (compared to other industries) such a low operating cost, it makes sense (to me) that creating a system where it subsists on government funding is a no-brainer

Like paying taxes.

And here's some of my economic problem we have in Canada, in that tax payer money is made to fund artists who then allow Spotify to rake in a lot of money without paying taxes in Canada or genuinely funding artists in return. The structural problem, highlighted by Grimes receiving such a sum (if it isn't as the owner of a label), is that the return for it is basically zero, except maybe patriotic pride to see one of us do very well? It doesn't help the ecosystem that will help less established artists down the road (or artists in domains that are less commercialisable).

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:19 (one month ago) link

"patriotic pride"

for better or worse I do think there's a lot of "soft power" at work behind these granting institutions. It's less about making Canadians feel good and more about setting up Canadian artists to punch above their weight internationally, thus making Canada seem cultured, successful, etc.

rob, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:30 (one month ago) link

otm

pomenitul, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:50 (one month ago) link

Oh, absolutely. And it seems to be working pretty well-- but in Canada, "export" seems to be a priority. In Europe, certain countries spend lots of money on arts funding, but we (as outsiders) don't really seem to see it, as such efforts in France/Germany/Benelux seem to be focused more on stimulating culture for local benefit. Compare this with Iceland, where "export" is also a priority-- I could name 20 contemporary Icelandic bands compared to 5 contemporary French bands, i.e.

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:55 (one month ago) link

I think the soft power thing is true and otm, but I don't see how it helps artists in the long run.

Oh, absolutely. And it seems to be working pretty well-- but in Canada, "export" seems to be a priority. In Europe, certain countries spend lots of money on arts funding, but we (as outsiders) don't really seem to see it, as such efforts in France/Germany/Benelux seem to be focused more on stimulating culture for local benefit. Compare this with Iceland, where "export" is also a priority-- I could name 20 contemporary Icelandic bands compared to 5 contemporary French bands, i.e.

That's because outside of hip-hop contemporary french band are mostly terrible.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:59 (one month ago) link

I like Feu ! Chatterton, and that's about it.

There's a lot of shitty French hip-hop too tbf (see: Jul).

pomenitul, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 20:01 (one month ago) link

The sum up what was confused and confusing posts, here's my take: Can and Prov. governements should fund artists that are in need of financial help in order to advance their careers/pay the bills, and fund corporations and institutions that will allow the canadian cultural ecosystem to further blossom from an economic point of view. I see Grimes has being in neither category, as an artist, maybe in the second if she is indeed a co-owner of Crystal Meth.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 20:02 (one month ago) link

or Crystal Math.

which is a dumb name imo.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 20:02 (one month ago) link

The government spent HOW MUCH on crystal meth??!

umarell of the year (jmm), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 20:07 (one month ago) link

Looks like Crystal Math was founded in 2006 by the manager of the band Metric, “in an effort to assist (...) Metric self-release their next album 'Fantasies' without the backing of a traditional label.”

I really can’t find more on the company’s officers or a link to Grimes, beyond the obvious fact that she’s on the label.

yes m!ch!gan - the feeling's forever (morrisp), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 20:14 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu6YgBon-Rc

new track for the cyberpunk 2077 soundtrack (lizzy wizzy is the character she voices in game)

it's fine?

ufo, Friday, 11 December 2020 23:26 (one month ago) link

revisited miss anthropocene last night, confident it's her best

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 21:47 (one month ago) link

what a great company to partner with!

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 22:10 (one month ago) link

CD Projekt? Do they have a bad rep?

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 23:02 (one month ago) link

yeah anti-trans humor on social media and problematic stuff in the game

gamergate "pc culture is out of control" vibes all over

forced crunch/excessive working hours for workers

tried to fuck their employees out of bonuses because of bad review scores

game is super buggy and they have to offer refunds to ps4 and xbox one owners

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 23:10 (one month ago) link

Tbf much of it wasn't immediately apparent. And speaking of collaborators, see also:

https://cyberpunk2077.bandcamp.com/album/cyberpunk-2077-radio-vol-1-original-soundtrack

pomenitul, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 23:16 (one month ago) link

pissed jeans have a song on it too

flopson, Thursday, 17 December 2020 06:07 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

lol she announces she has Covid and she's "weirdly enjoying" it and it barely makes my social media feeds, what a time

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Saturday, 9 January 2021 20:09 (one week ago) link


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