This seems to be getting a lot of attention from teh rap crits this year across the board, and it took me more than a minute to really get with it but now it's growing on me. I think that their rap styles aren't rlly my thing, is what put me off at first, and the 2nd thing was that it's not a very pop-oriented record, and my fav rap tends to at least reach one of those two points for me to get behind it.
so i've been sleeping i suppose. im still not quite sure that it's resonating with me the way it could be but I haven't read someone quite capture its appeal yet i guess. what did yall think of it?
I think the other thing is that nothing about these dudes screams 'memphis' to me & i'm used to memphis records sounding very memphis, but i guess in 2011 i should give up on that.
also i guess we can talk about don trip v starlito v yo gotti v young dolph v zed zilla as far as new memphis
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Sunday, 13 November 2011 23:21 (twelve years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/features/out-the-trunk/8013-out-the-trunk-7/
described by tom here
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Sunday, 13 November 2011 23:33 (twelve years ago) link
probably in my top 3 album of the year.
Indeed the thing isn't very poppy, there isn't really a standout single.
I think the beats are great, with the good amount of variety and all but the strength of this record lies in the chemistry between trip & lito, the way you can hear they both want to rap their ass off, interacting with each other and have fun while doing it. You can hear they LOVE to rap.
― sisilafami, Sunday, 13 November 2011 23:47 (twelve years ago) link
yeah that's definitely the angle that's drawn me in, there's just a lot of energy
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Sunday, 13 November 2011 23:48 (twelve years ago) link
Just read the pitchfork article, it's close to what i think.
the jackin for beats ending is incredible
― sisilafami, Sunday, 13 November 2011 23:51 (twelve years ago) link
Couldn't get into this for some reason. Possibly cos of the production. Much preferred Lito over the Burn One stuff on Renaissance Gangster
― Number None, Sunday, 13 November 2011 23:53 (twelve years ago) link
i love it
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:04 (twelve years ago) link
this will likely end up being a landmark album, imo. def one that came out of left field for me tho
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:05 (twelve years ago) link
i love it because it hardly feels like there's any hooks on it at all. There's probably more bars-per-minute than any other tape this year. And like, rap should be about rapping afaic
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:06 (twelve years ago) link
Plus dude makes a One Cause One Effect joke on it, and I giggle to myself knowing that it's zooming over the the heads of the 26 year old bloggers reviewing this
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:07 (twelve years ago) link
Like dude is making dope One Cause One Effect jokes and ASAP Rocky's depth of 90s rap knowledge is "Kris Kross wear their clothes backwards" and like duh why I'm I gravitating to this instead
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
this will likely end up being a landmark album, imo.
huh
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
i didn't wanna say it
their style could easily be as influential and far-reaching as, say, Max B or the Jacka
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:09 (twelve years ago) link
haha
― MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:10 (twelve years ago) link
(well max b directly influenced wiz and asap rocky)
― sisilafami, Monday, 14 November 2011 00:15 (twelve years ago) link
(just sayin)
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― Hubie Brown, Monday, 14 November 2011 00:22 (twelve years ago) link
i dont think their style will be very influential at all, from a rapper perspective
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:23 (twelve years ago) link
i mean, they're not hugely distinctive stylists. they're good rappers, but
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:25 (twelve years ago) link
wait, so why is the album going to be a landmark
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 00:25 (twelve years ago) link
because its very good?
and a lot of influential people like it
oh, well, i don't know about that
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 00:26 (twelve years ago) link
since when is 'distinctive stylists' the only reason for people to like rappers, you're into asap rocky for ish's sake
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:26 (twelve years ago) link
who are you talking to
Guess I don't know how to do that.
Anyway, for Trip solo, search YouTube for "I'm On 1," "Feelin' Like Mike," "Vent," "Halloween," "Pistols in Paris," "Finale."
His Interscope debut, HELP IS ON THE WAY, should be out around March, barring delays (which obviously wouldn't be shocking). The only song from that that's seen the light of day is "Letter to My Son." Title track might be awesome based on concept.
― Hubie Brown, Monday, 14 November 2011 00:27 (twelve years ago) link
this sounds hella boring but I will download it i guess
― Fifty-Three Percenter Godbody Knowledge (The Brainwasher), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:27 (twelve years ago) link
and a lot of influential people like it --When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40)
The only link you provided was pitchfork rap coverage. I guess Die Antwoord are LEGENDS OF THE GAME
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:27 (twelve years ago) link
i would actually be very interested in hearing brainwasher's opinion
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:28 (twelve years ago) link
I'm working tonight on a long Trip story. Will post it here when it's done if anyone's interested.
― Hubie Brown, Monday, 14 November 2011 00:29 (twelve years ago) link
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, November 13, 2011 6:27 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
are you arguing just to argue? i would include you, noz, themartorialist, tom breihan, a variety of the rap pplz on twitter as influential -- basically any person i've read has had really positive things to say about both trip & lito.
why is it whenever i observe this kinds of stuff you and jordan jump to try & correct me? am i lying?
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:29 (twelve years ago) link
― Hubie Brown, Sunday, November 13, 2011 6:29 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yes do it
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:30 (twelve years ago) link
His Interscope debut, HELP IS ON THE WAY, should be out around March
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu0jfkJ1hC1qad6oyo1_500.gif
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 00:30 (twelve years ago) link
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Sunday, November 13, 2011 7:29 PM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark
i'm not saying that you're lying, i'm saying that maybe you're using the word "landmark" a bit too liberally
And "influential"
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:31 (twelve years ago) link
As people wrote above, STEP BROTHERS is great for the chemistry. Those guys are really good friends and you can tell they really enjoy working together and playing off each other. They made sure they recorded everything in the studio together. The video for "4th Song" has them doing a body-switch thing and parodying each other. Album is sort of spotty, but "Life" and the "Outtakes" thing at the end are probably the best tracks.
― Hubie Brown, Monday, 14 November 2011 00:31 (twelve years ago) link
well, it is a prediction, but otoh im almost always right abt those things so
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:32 (twelve years ago) link
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, November 13, 2011 6:31 PM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
you wouldn't consider those people 'influential'? in terms of driving what mags & websites & blogs cover?
like, there's literally not even been 10 "landmark" mixtapes in the history of rap
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 00:33 (twelve years ago) link
lol well if you're going to define landmark that way, then no this will never be a landmark album
jesus u guys know how to suck the fun out of discussion w/ pedantry
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:33 (twelve years ago) link
Like deej the whole thread has to do with you being insecure that you missed it on first pass (u did this w/ e40 too) and then trying to fit it in some modern canon narrative
Like just say "this is a dope album" IMO
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:34 (twelve years ago) link
man you guys turn every thread into this back and forth bullshit lol
― Fifty-Three Percenter Godbody Knowledge (The Brainwasher), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:34 (twelve years ago) link
well, it is a prediction, but otoh im almost always right abt those things so --When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40)
Like a basketball player
if you want me to be more specific bcuz you're having trouble reading between the lines, i think 'step brothers' will end up fairly high on a lot of rap critics, magazine and blogger websites this year.
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:35 (twelve years ago) link
It's a dope album IMO
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:35 (twelve years ago) link
I'm skeptical about the release date too, but I talked to the program director of the biggest hip-hop/R&B station in town and he thinks that's legit, that Interscope is putting a lot of emphasis on this. He's heard – as have I, independently — that Jimmy Iovine has likened Trip to Tupac and has taken a personal interest in the project -- flying him to Detroit and Los Angeles to court him and hooking him up with Diddy as a mentor of sorts.
― Hubie Brown, Monday, 14 November 2011 00:35 (twelve years ago) link
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, November 13, 2011 6:34 PM (55 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
you're an idiot -- this doesn't describe this situation at all! I'm copping to it not being my thing at first you moron. i've described my process w/ the experience of the album honestly itt! i'm not trying to 'fit it into some modern canon narrative,' i'm talking about how its likely that a lot of critics will be supporting the album this year! which is probably true.
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:36 (twelve years ago) link
wait, i did what with e-40 too?
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:37 (twelve years ago) link
the first two revenue retrievin' albums were my number one record that year...
wait what the hell does travis porter have to do w/ any of that
also basically all of your opinions are wrong (i have no idea who scotty is)
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 02:09 (twelve years ago) link
travis porter is great, "proud 2 be a problem" is a landmark mixtape
― sisilafami, Monday, 14 November 2011 02:10 (twelve years ago) link
dude Alley Boy mixtape was like
rap rap rap DJ DRAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! rap rap
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 02:11 (twelve years ago) link
differenter 3 is half a landmark mixtape, half pretty decent pop rap
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 02:11 (twelve years ago) link
i don't really care for alley boy
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 02:12 (twelve years ago) link
Curren$y is like the most unrewarding listen of anything in 2011, and I have no idea how people can listen to like 20 mixtapes of that guy
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 02:12 (twelve years ago) link
loving this 'landmark' meme
― some dude, Monday, 14 November 2011 02:13 (twelve years ago) link
me too tbh
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 02:13 (twelve years ago) link
i agree w/ that last part, but there's some very good curren$y stuff out there
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 02:13 (twelve years ago) link
whiney thank you for being the first person to ever say something about curren$y that i remotely agree with
― some dude, Monday, 14 November 2011 02:14 (twelve years ago) link
you are welcome, some dude
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 02:14 (twelve years ago) link
curren$y & wayne over the "elevators" beat is one of my fav random rap tracks of the year
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 02:16 (twelve years ago) link
don't know how alley boy is rewarding...
― sisilafami, Monday, 14 November 2011 02:16 (twelve years ago) link
also half that curren$y/alchemist mixtape is great
i used to bang some curren$y when i would drive to work in the morning -- good morning rap music
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 02:17 (twelve years ago) link
to me he's in the same zone as Consequence of like "writes better than most rappers but has an uncanny way of being so much more boring than most of them"
― some dude, Monday, 14 November 2011 02:18 (twelve years ago) link
and Black Thought
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 02:19 (twelve years ago) link
'needs more love'
― 808 Police State (Lamp), Monday, 14 November 2011 03:10 (twelve years ago) link
Curren$y has a much more artful way of putting words together than consequence imo.
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 03:11 (twelve years ago) link
Yes my self-aware pride about keeping up w the rap blogosphere was totally hilarious and not in any way knowing
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 03:16 (twelve years ago) link
Xp
i think pretty much the whole curren$y/alch tape is one of the best of the year
alley boy is p boring altho 'rob me a...' is becoming a minor classic i think, in the sense that is fairly memorable as far as stick-up tracks go
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 03:24 (twelve years ago) link
that said, its on the gibbs lp too so why have both
i wouldnt call the travis porter a landmark, ho ho, but i think if you combined its best moments with the best on 'music money magnums' you might have a great record
when i said don trip / starlito are occasionally not v. 'musical' i meant more that their style can momentarily take me out of the world created by their music by being kind of tone deaf -- not in the sense of being in the same key, but in the sense of fitting the overall mood of the track. w/ jordan's example, meek mill always makes his flow fit the style of the beat he's on --
--that said i think that for people who really like trip & starlito that might be part of the appeal the same way its non-interest in hooks is part of the appeal -- so basically, it makes sense that whiney likes this record, based on what he was saying upthread
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 03:27 (twelve years ago) link
if jordan will permit me to allow a few landmark records per year, i think that tity boi's 'trap a veli 2' was 2 chainz' landmark record & he's moved closer to pop but fallen further from 'interesting' since
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 03:29 (twelve years ago) link
i think that 2 chainz is a landmark rapper but i'm not sure if he has a landmark release -- the storyline of him moving into the default king of atl seems like a landmark moment to me, precisely bcuz he has no landmak release that warranted it
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 03:32 (twelve years ago) link
well, trap-a-veli 2 is the one i think is the best all-around record & it sort of set the archetype that he followed on 'codeine cowboy' (with 'feelin you' being the 'up in smoke,' etc.) and its also the one i heard a lot of people talk about after the fact
an sms commenter argued that his best record was the tape before that though for capturing a more unique vibe, i listened to it ages ago so i want to hear again but from what he was saying it also seems like a reasonable narrative
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 03:34 (twelve years ago) link
http://images.livemixtapes.com/artists/empire/stepbrothers/cover.jpg
― lloyd banksfein (flopson), Monday, 14 November 2011 03:44 (twelve years ago) link
That Alch Curren$y tape is cool but its kind of flat, Alchs beats dont peel my ears back enough, drums dont snap at all.
― kK'll let you know, so pay attention bro (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 14 November 2011 03:47 (twelve years ago) link
oh btw if whiney is curious i def prefer don trip & starlito to main attrakionz / green ova by like 10x so
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 05:17 (twelve years ago) link
i would agree w/ this
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 05:17 (twelve years ago) link
that should be a no brainer for any goon
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 05:28 (twelve years ago) link
thats should be on the goon entry exam
lol
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 05:29 (twelve years ago) link
young dolph is better than starlito & co. purely on the strength of being 10 times as hilarious
― lloyd banksfein (flopson), Monday, 14 November 2011 05:53 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh-1FhDNw_Y
young adolph
got all my new memphis money on og boo dirty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNmAIt7N82c&feature=relmfu
― lloyd banksfein (flopson), Monday, 14 November 2011 05:57 (twelve years ago) link
he looks like if webbie took roids
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 06:01 (twelve years ago) link
or abused hgh, really
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 06:02 (twelve years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Sunday, November 13, 2011 8:09 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
his opinion abt scotty is otm although im not convinced that working with burn 1 has ever nec. meant a rapper wont be boring
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 06:03 (twelve years ago) link
or to make things clearer, scotty is not the 1st boring talent hes worked w/
that young dolph song w/ gucci from earlier this year is good
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 06:04 (twelve years ago) link
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, November 14, 2011 1:02 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
had this same thought
in non-internet-rap news, the Alley Boy mixtape is mastered so poorly that it's practically unlistenable
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, November 13, 2011 8:09 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this was a curious post. alley boy, not internet rap; travis porter, internet rap?
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 06:06 (twelve years ago) link
you guys jump on me for making statements abt how popular an artist is w/ writers when its empirically true, but whiney can dictate whether something is INTERNET RAP with impunity, seems fair
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 06:34 (twelve years ago) link
don't be mad
but yeah that was a stupid statement that made no sense
i'm p sure alley boy is completely an internet phenomenon, tho just a diff subset of the rap internet than asap rocky and main attrakionz. i don't think alley boy is getting any burn on atlanta radio.
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 06:40 (twelve years ago) link
nah im pretty sure that's not the case. i mean, i dont know about what atlanta radio is like, but kelefa covered the new atlanta underground like 2-3 years ago; that stuff has local support
but i mean, im sure that a lot of that local support ...finds him on the internet. like everyone does these days.
everyone is on the internet now you can't differentiate. there are some that are only w/in a critical discourse but thats not true of alley boy or travis porter afai can tell
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 06:44 (twelve years ago) link
if by 'internet' he means, like, people on dissensus or hipinion are discussing them, then yes alley boy is also an internet artist, popular amongst europeans & former readers of 'out the trunk' alike
― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 06:45 (twelve years ago) link
The Don Trip story I mentioned upthread:
http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/the-letter/Content?oid=3079513
― Hubie Brown, Saturday, 19 November 2011 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
nice will check out thnx
― Regional Thug (D-40), Saturday, 19 November 2011 23:07 (twelve years ago) link