Don Trip & Starlito's Step Brothers tape from earlier this year

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This seems to be getting a lot of attention from teh rap crits this year across the board, and it took me more than a minute to really get with it but now it's growing on me. I think that their rap styles aren't rlly my thing, is what put me off at first, and the 2nd thing was that it's not a very pop-oriented record, and my fav rap tends to at least reach one of those two points for me to get behind it.

so i've been sleeping i suppose. im still not quite sure that it's resonating with me the way it could be but I haven't read someone quite capture its appeal yet i guess. what did yall think of it?

I think the other thing is that nothing about these dudes screams 'memphis' to me & i'm used to memphis records sounding very memphis, but i guess in 2011 i should give up on that.

also i guess we can talk about don trip v starlito v yo gotti v young dolph v zed zilla as far as new memphis

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Sunday, 13 November 2011 23:21 (twelve years ago) link

probably in my top 3 album of the year.

Indeed the thing isn't very poppy, there isn't really a standout single.

I think the beats are great, with the good amount of variety and all but the strength of this record lies in the chemistry between trip & lito, the way you can hear they both want to rap their ass off, interacting with each other and have fun while doing it. You can hear they LOVE to rap.

sisilafami, Sunday, 13 November 2011 23:47 (twelve years ago) link

yeah that's definitely the angle that's drawn me in, there's just a lot of energy

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Sunday, 13 November 2011 23:48 (twelve years ago) link

Just read the pitchfork article, it's close to what i think.

the jackin for beats ending is incredible

sisilafami, Sunday, 13 November 2011 23:51 (twelve years ago) link

Couldn't get into this for some reason. Possibly cos of the production. Much preferred Lito over the Burn One stuff on Renaissance Gangster

Number None, Sunday, 13 November 2011 23:53 (twelve years ago) link

i love it

shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:04 (twelve years ago) link

this will likely end up being a landmark album, imo. def one that came out of left field for me tho

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:05 (twelve years ago) link

i love it because it hardly feels like there's any hooks on it at all. There's probably more bars-per-minute than any other tape this year. And like, rap should be about rapping afaic

shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:06 (twelve years ago) link

Plus dude makes a One Cause One Effect joke on it, and I giggle to myself knowing that it's zooming over the the heads of the 26 year old bloggers reviewing this

shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:07 (twelve years ago) link

Like dude is making dope One Cause One Effect jokes and ASAP Rocky's depth of 90s rap knowledge is "Kris Kross wear their clothes backwards" and like duh why I'm I gravitating to this instead

shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:08 (twelve years ago) link

this will likely end up being a landmark album, imo.

huh

J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 00:08 (twelve years ago) link

i didn't wanna say it

shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:08 (twelve years ago) link

their style could easily be as influential and far-reaching as, say, Max B or the Jacka

shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:09 (twelve years ago) link

haha

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:10 (twelve years ago) link

(well max b directly influenced wiz and asap rocky)

sisilafami, Monday, 14 November 2011 00:15 (twelve years ago) link

(just sayin)

sisilafami, Monday, 14 November 2011 00:15 (twelve years ago) link

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Hubie Brown, Monday, 14 November 2011 00:22 (twelve years ago) link

i dont think their style will be very influential at all, from a rapper perspective

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:23 (twelve years ago) link

i mean, they're not hugely distinctive stylists. they're good rappers, but

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:25 (twelve years ago) link

wait, so why is the album going to be a landmark

J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 00:25 (twelve years ago) link

because its very good?

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:25 (twelve years ago) link

and a lot of influential people like it

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:25 (twelve years ago) link

oh, well, i don't know about that

J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 00:26 (twelve years ago) link

since when is 'distinctive stylists' the only reason for people to like rappers, you're into asap rocky for ish's sake

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:26 (twelve years ago) link

who are you talking to

J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 00:26 (twelve years ago) link

Guess I don't know how to do that.

Anyway, for Trip solo, search YouTube for "I'm On 1," "Feelin' Like Mike," "Vent," "Halloween," "Pistols in Paris," "Finale."

His Interscope debut, HELP IS ON THE WAY, should be out around March, barring delays (which obviously wouldn't be shocking). The only song from that that's seen the light of day is "Letter to My Son." Title track might be awesome based on concept.

Hubie Brown, Monday, 14 November 2011 00:27 (twelve years ago) link

this sounds hella boring but I will download it i guess

Fifty-Three Percenter Godbody Knowledge (The Brainwasher), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:27 (twelve years ago) link

and a lot of influential people like it
--When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40)

The only link you provided was pitchfork rap coverage. I guess Die Antwoord are LEGENDS OF THE GAME

shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:27 (twelve years ago) link

i would actually be very interested in hearing brainwasher's opinion

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:28 (twelve years ago) link

I'm working tonight on a long Trip story. Will post it here when it's done if anyone's interested.

Hubie Brown, Monday, 14 November 2011 00:29 (twelve years ago) link

The only link you provided was pitchfork rap coverage. I guess Die Antwoord are LEGENDS OF THE GAME

― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, November 13, 2011 6:27 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

are you arguing just to argue? i would include you, noz, themartorialist, tom breihan, a variety of the rap pplz on twitter as influential -- basically any person i've read has had really positive things to say about both trip & lito.

why is it whenever i observe this kinds of stuff you and jordan jump to try & correct me? am i lying?

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:29 (twelve years ago) link

I'm working tonight on a long Trip story. Will post it here when it's done if anyone's interested.

― Hubie Brown, Sunday, November 13, 2011 6:29 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yes do it

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:30 (twelve years ago) link

His Interscope debut, HELP IS ON THE WAY, should be out around March

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu0jfkJ1hC1qad6oyo1_500.gif

J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 00:30 (twelve years ago) link

why is it whenever i observe this kinds of stuff you and jordan jump to try & correct me? am i lying?

― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Sunday, November 13, 2011 7:29 PM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark

i'm not saying that you're lying, i'm saying that maybe you're using the word "landmark" a bit too liberally

J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 00:30 (twelve years ago) link

And "influential"

shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:31 (twelve years ago) link

As people wrote above, STEP BROTHERS is great for the chemistry. Those guys are really good friends and you can tell they really enjoy working together and playing off each other. They made sure they recorded everything in the studio together. The video for "4th Song" has them doing a body-switch thing and parodying each other. Album is sort of spotty, but "Life" and the "Outtakes" thing at the end are probably the best tracks.

Hubie Brown, Monday, 14 November 2011 00:31 (twelve years ago) link

well, it is a prediction, but otoh im almost always right abt those things so

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:32 (twelve years ago) link

And "influential"

― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, November 13, 2011 6:31 PM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you wouldn't consider those people 'influential'? in terms of driving what mags & websites & blogs cover?

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:32 (twelve years ago) link

like, there's literally not even been 10 "landmark" mixtapes in the history of rap

J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 00:33 (twelve years ago) link

lol well if you're going to define landmark that way, then no this will never be a landmark album

jesus u guys know how to suck the fun out of discussion w/ pedantry

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:33 (twelve years ago) link

Like deej the whole thread has to do with you being insecure that you missed it on first pass (u did this w/ e40 too) and then trying to fit it in some modern canon narrative

Like just say "this is a dope album" IMO

shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:34 (twelve years ago) link

man you guys turn every thread into this back and forth bullshit lol

Fifty-Three Percenter Godbody Knowledge (The Brainwasher), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:34 (twelve years ago) link

well, it is a prediction, but otoh im almost always right abt those things so
--When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40)

Like a basketball player

shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:34 (twelve years ago) link

if you want me to be more specific bcuz you're having trouble reading between the lines, i think 'step brothers' will end up fairly high on a lot of rap critics, magazine and blogger websites this year.

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:35 (twelve years ago) link

It's a dope album IMO

shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:35 (twelve years ago) link

I'm skeptical about the release date too, but I talked to the program director of the biggest hip-hop/R&B station in town and he thinks that's legit, that Interscope is putting a lot of emphasis on this. He's heard – as have I, independently — that Jimmy Iovine has likened Trip to Tupac and has taken a personal interest in the project -- flying him to Detroit and Los Angeles to court him and hooking him up with Diddy as a mentor of sorts.

Hubie Brown, Monday, 14 November 2011 00:35 (twelve years ago) link

Like deej the whole thread has to do with you being insecure that you missed it on first pass (u did this w/ e40 too) and then trying to fit it in some modern canon narrative

Like just say "this is a dope album" IMO

― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, November 13, 2011 6:34 PM (55 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you're an idiot -- this doesn't describe this situation at all! I'm copping to it not being my thing at first you moron. i've described my process w/ the experience of the album honestly itt! i'm not trying to 'fit it into some modern canon narrative,' i'm talking about how its likely that a lot of critics will be supporting the album this year! which is probably true.

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:36 (twelve years ago) link

wait, i did what with e-40 too?

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:37 (twelve years ago) link

the first two revenue retrievin' albums were my number one record that year...

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 00:37 (twelve years ago) link

wait what the hell does travis porter have to do w/ any of that

also basically all of your opinions are wrong (i have no idea who scotty is)

J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 02:09 (twelve years ago) link

travis porter is great, "proud 2 be a problem" is a landmark mixtape

sisilafami, Monday, 14 November 2011 02:10 (twelve years ago) link

dude Alley Boy mixtape was like

rap rap rap DJ DRAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! rap rap

shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 02:11 (twelve years ago) link

differenter 3 is half a landmark mixtape, half pretty decent pop rap

J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 02:11 (twelve years ago) link

i don't really care for alley boy

J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 02:12 (twelve years ago) link

Curren$y is like the most unrewarding listen of anything in 2011, and I have no idea how people can listen to like 20 mixtapes of that guy

shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 02:12 (twelve years ago) link

loving this 'landmark' meme

some dude, Monday, 14 November 2011 02:13 (twelve years ago) link

me too tbh

shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 02:13 (twelve years ago) link

i agree w/ that last part, but there's some very good curren$y stuff out there

J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 02:13 (twelve years ago) link

whiney thank you for being the first person to ever say something about curren$y that i remotely agree with

some dude, Monday, 14 November 2011 02:14 (twelve years ago) link

you are welcome, some dude

shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 02:14 (twelve years ago) link

curren$y & wayne over the "elevators" beat is one of my fav random rap tracks of the year

J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 02:16 (twelve years ago) link

don't know how alley boy is rewarding...

sisilafami, Monday, 14 November 2011 02:16 (twelve years ago) link

also half that curren$y/alchemist mixtape is great

i used to bang some curren$y when i would drive to work in the morning -- good morning rap music

J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 02:17 (twelve years ago) link

to me he's in the same zone as Consequence of like "writes better than most rappers but has an uncanny way of being so much more boring than most of them"

some dude, Monday, 14 November 2011 02:18 (twelve years ago) link

and Black Thought

shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 02:19 (twelve years ago) link

well, it is a prediction, but otoh im almost always right abt those things so

'needs more love'

808 Police State (Lamp), Monday, 14 November 2011 03:10 (twelve years ago) link

Curren$y has a much more artful way of putting words together than consequence imo.

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 03:11 (twelve years ago) link

Yes my self-aware pride about keeping up w the rap blogosphere was totally hilarious and not in any way knowing

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 03:16 (twelve years ago) link

Xp

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 03:16 (twelve years ago) link

i think pretty much the whole curren$y/alch tape is one of the best of the year

alley boy is p boring altho 'rob me a...' is becoming a minor classic i think, in the sense that is fairly memorable as far as stick-up tracks go

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 03:24 (twelve years ago) link

that said, its on the gibbs lp too so why have both

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 03:24 (twelve years ago) link

i wouldnt call the travis porter a landmark, ho ho, but i think if you combined its best moments with the best on 'music money magnums' you might have a great record

when i said don trip / starlito are occasionally not v. 'musical' i meant more that their style can momentarily take me out of the world created by their music by being kind of tone deaf -- not in the sense of being in the same key, but in the sense of fitting the overall mood of the track. w/ jordan's example, meek mill always makes his flow fit the style of the beat he's on --

--that said i think that for people who really like trip & starlito that might be part of the appeal the same way its non-interest in hooks is part of the appeal -- so basically, it makes sense that whiney likes this record, based on what he was saying upthread

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 03:27 (twelve years ago) link

if jordan will permit me to allow a few landmark records per year, i think that tity boi's 'trap a veli 2' was 2 chainz' landmark record & he's moved closer to pop but fallen further from 'interesting' since

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 03:29 (twelve years ago) link

i think that 2 chainz is a landmark rapper but i'm not sure if he has a landmark release -- the storyline of him moving into the default king of atl seems like a landmark moment to me, precisely bcuz he has no landmak release that warranted it

J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 03:32 (twelve years ago) link

well, trap-a-veli 2 is the one i think is the best all-around record & it sort of set the archetype that he followed on 'codeine cowboy' (with 'feelin you' being the 'up in smoke,' etc.) and its also the one i heard a lot of people talk about after the fact

an sms commenter argued that his best record was the tape before that though for capturing a more unique vibe, i listened to it ages ago so i want to hear again but from what he was saying it also seems like a reasonable narrative

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 03:34 (twelve years ago) link

That Alch Curren$y tape is cool but its kind of flat, Alchs beats dont peel my ears back enough, drums dont snap at all.

kK'll let you know, so pay attention bro (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 14 November 2011 03:47 (twelve years ago) link

oh btw if whiney is curious i def prefer don trip & starlito to main attrakionz / green ova by like 10x so

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 05:17 (twelve years ago) link

i would agree w/ this

J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 05:17 (twelve years ago) link

that should be a no brainer for any goon

shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 05:28 (twelve years ago) link

thats should be on the goon entry exam

shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 05:28 (twelve years ago) link

lol

J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 05:29 (twelve years ago) link

young dolph is better than starlito & co. purely on the strength of being 10 times as hilarious

lloyd banksfein (flopson), Monday, 14 November 2011 05:53 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh-1FhDNw_Y

lloyd banksfein (flopson), Monday, 14 November 2011 05:53 (twelve years ago) link

young adolph

lloyd banksfein (flopson), Monday, 14 November 2011 05:53 (twelve years ago) link

got all my new memphis money on og boo dirty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNmAIt7N82c&feature=relmfu

lloyd banksfein (flopson), Monday, 14 November 2011 05:57 (twelve years ago) link

he looks like if webbie took roids

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 06:01 (twelve years ago) link

or abused hgh, really

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 06:02 (twelve years ago) link

also basically all of your opinions are wrong (i have no idea who scotty is)

― J0rdan S., Sunday, November 13, 2011 8:09 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

his opinion abt scotty is otm although im not convinced that working with burn 1 has ever nec. meant a rapper wont be boring

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 06:03 (twelve years ago) link

or to make things clearer, scotty is not the 1st boring talent hes worked w/

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 06:03 (twelve years ago) link

that young dolph song w/ gucci from earlier this year is good

J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 06:04 (twelve years ago) link

or abused hgh, really

― When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, November 14, 2011 1:02 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

had this same thought

J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 06:04 (twelve years ago) link

in non-internet-rap news, the Alley Boy mixtape is mastered so poorly that it's practically unlistenable

― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, November 13, 2011 8:09 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this was a curious post. alley boy, not internet rap; travis porter, internet rap?

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 06:06 (twelve years ago) link

you guys jump on me for making statements abt how popular an artist is w/ writers when its empirically true, but whiney can dictate whether something is INTERNET RAP with impunity, seems fair

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 06:34 (twelve years ago) link

don't be mad

but yeah that was a stupid statement that made no sense

i'm p sure alley boy is completely an internet phenomenon, tho just a diff subset of the rap internet than asap rocky and main attrakionz. i don't think alley boy is getting any burn on atlanta radio.

J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2011 06:40 (twelve years ago) link

nah im pretty sure that's not the case. i mean, i dont know about what atlanta radio is like, but kelefa covered the new atlanta underground like 2-3 years ago; that stuff has local support

but i mean, im sure that a lot of that local support ...finds him on the internet. like everyone does these days.

everyone is on the internet now you can't differentiate. there are some that are only w/in a critical discourse but thats not true of alley boy or travis porter afai can tell

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 06:44 (twelve years ago) link

if by 'internet' he means, like, people on dissensus or hipinion are discussing them, then yes alley boy is also an internet artist, popular amongst europeans & former readers of 'out the trunk' alike

When snap was real ... Thumbs up if you agree (D-40), Monday, 14 November 2011 06:45 (twelve years ago) link

The Don Trip story I mentioned upthread:

http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/the-letter/Content?oid=3079513

Hubie Brown, Saturday, 19 November 2011 22:41 (twelve years ago) link

nice will check out thnx

Regional Thug (D-40), Saturday, 19 November 2011 23:07 (twelve years ago) link


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