Fusion of Country and Western/Hip-Hop...the wave of the future?

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I rescued this from the tail end of a dead thread....

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Anyhow, the thing that use to kill me was that every time I went onto a Napster clone, I noticed that each persons mp3 collection consisted of 30% Hip-Hop, 30% Country and 30% something else. I keep expecting some sort of Ghetto & Western genre to sweep the nation. Where everyone comes out on stage wearing their cowboy hats crooked Flava-Flav style.
Yo Yo Yo, MC Cowpoke is in da hooooouuusseee.
Well, maybe not yet.
Y'see, Imani Coppola's "Legend of a Cowgirl" didn't really get the fame it deserved, because she was ahead of her time; But the last time I listened to the country station, I noticed at least two C&W choons with a distinct "rap" cadence to the vocals of the verses.
It won't be long now.
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You heard it here first. Mark my Words.

Lord Custos Alpha (Lord Custos Alpha), Saturday, 7 September 2002 17:58 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I would say, Beck!..... but his latest album isn't really Hip Hop.

nick.K (nick.K), Saturday, 7 September 2002 18:56 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I would say, Nappy Roots...and we're getting a bit closer.

A.V. Alexandre (Keiko), Saturday, 7 September 2002 19:04 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

i think sole did a song called hick hop. also slug+aesop rock on "I'll be OK" or the harmonica solo on Purple Pills

boxcubed (boxcubed), Saturday, 7 September 2002 19:51 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Betty Boo's tremendous Hangover single almost vaguely fits the bill (the video had tenuous C&W theme, she wasn't averse to being hiphop and snarly on occasion. Though not here.)

alexfack, Saturday, 7 September 2002 19:55 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

That's the wave of the past (see "Way Out West" on Kurtis Blow (1980), "Apache" (1981) by Sugarhill Gang, one of the Furious Five was named Cowboy. Even "Paul Revere" by the Beastie Boys, if you want).

Vic Funk, Sunday, 8 September 2002 00:16 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Double 00 Boys can go somewhere, anywhere other then a recording studio as far as I care. With such great chunes as "Muddin"

With my foot to the floor
of my 454
I go you go
mudddin!

Vanilla Ice had more talent the this.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Sunday, 8 September 2002 00:18 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

mr lif's farmhand. awww yeah. classic hick-hop.

joshw, Sunday, 8 September 2002 00:48 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I really expected Bubba Sparxxx to do better than he did. That video was the best, esp at the end where Missy rides in on the tractor....

I have heard a lot of earnest twangy vocals with big drum-machine beats behind them on christian radio. It's really more country/house than country/hip-hop, but it was pretty awful-sounding. Sorry, can't remember any artist names.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 8 September 2002 01:20 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Everlast might count, but then he only does hip-hop or country/blues, never at the same time. Which, on the whole, is probably a good thing.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 8 September 2002 07:54 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

kid rock is a huge hank williams fan.

and austin alt.country band the gourds had a somewhat popular cover of snoop dog's 'gin and juice'.

bucky wunderlick, Sunday, 8 September 2002 13:29 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Jason Downs? Jim White?

david h (david h), Sunday, 8 September 2002 14:33 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

buffalo girls go round the outside

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 8 September 2002 19:57 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

where's the other 10%?

M Matos (M Matos), Sunday, 8 September 2002 23:08 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

The Scarface single is as close as any real hiphop has come to this. And it's good. And it's popular. I would love to hear more in this vein.

Rufus King, Sunday, 8 September 2002 23:10 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Funny, was just thinking about just this topic, prompted by seeing Princess Superstar's DJ mix "Sweet Home Alabama" with some anonymous west coast rapping t'other night. Made me wonder why someone like, I dunno, Nelly hadn't sampled Skynyrd before...

ps. can I mention The Grid here? Thanks!

Charlie, Sunday, 8 September 2002 23:24 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

i'm suprised no one has mentioned Eminem's "Square Dance." It is def. done in a joking fashion, but it still has a western kind of feel.

Brock K. (Brock K.), Monday, 9 September 2002 02:32 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

where's the other 10%?
The other 10% is warez and porn pix, and thus cannot be categorized musically.

Lord Custos Alpha (Lord Custos Alpha), Monday, 9 September 2002 13:12 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"Square Dance Rap" by Sir Mix-a-lot

such a harsh dropoff between "okay" and "vile" here. the problem is that country is ALL about the melody of the singer. rap is all about the rhythm of the words.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 9 September 2002 20:06 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

i cant believe im the first to mention kool mo dee's wild wild west.

chaki (chaki), Monday, 9 September 2002 20:37 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I really like a CD by "Jim Crow" which I picked up in Atlanta and seemed to have very mournful countryish guitars

Also : Alabama 3, and who was that depressed sounding countryish, rapper from the early 90s with a bottle on his album cover?

Mind you, what I'm waiting for is the country 'n' garage wave. Just try it, sample some Tammy or tuneful, mawkish country female vocal, speed it up, pitch shift it and give it the MJ Cole beat.

phil jones (interstar), Tuesday, 10 September 2002 18:52 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
Bubba Sparxxx did it.

sym (shmuel), Thursday, 22 January 2004 08:17 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Kid Rock is his name, and anyway country adopted hip-hop's readily available and elementary pop production values almost ten years ago. See also American Idol. As for Country N' Garage...where's PFM?!

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Thursday, 22 January 2004 08:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
...

Cowboy Troy?

*ducks*

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Sunday, 4 June 2006 01:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

That first post is quite groanworthy.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Sunday, 4 June 2006 02:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

more r&b than hip-hop, but that Usher/ Tim McGraw track was truly a watershed moment.

grady (grady), Sunday, 4 June 2006 05:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

That was Nelly & Tim McGraw. It might be a watershed moment in that it was a major hiphop star collaborating with a major country star, but at the same time...the song itself was really neither a hiphop song or a country song, probably more R&B as you say. I'm not sure what that says, but maybe it wasn't quite as big a stylistic clash this thread is looking for.

It's Rodney, pimp! (R. J. Greene), Sunday, 4 June 2006 06:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one of the first tracks on bubba sparx 2nd album has a big bluegrass/country hook/chorus - it's pretty good

grapple (grapple), Sunday, 4 June 2006 06:16 (twelve years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

Yo Yo Yo, MC Cowpoke is in da hooooouuusseee.

is it really that hard to spot all these fake british dudes? (velko), Thursday, 6 May 2010 03:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

never forget

moderator requiem forum (The Reverend), Thursday, 6 May 2010 03:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

eight years pass...

it seems like for the past year or two a country-trap fusion will go twitter-viral every now and again but i think this may be the first instance of one actually charting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ho88VXJTBg

what i sincerely love is that this is not only charting on the hot 100, but also on billboard's hot country songs chart. (tbh, there is no defensible reason to exclude it if they were gonna let that bebe rexha song count as country last year.) i anticipate a meltdown from the saving country music guy any second now...

dyl, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 04:21 (two months ago) Permalink

well, after that sole week it seems to have been removed from the country songs chart. if it had been allowed to remain, it would have jumped directly into the top 5. (it's still on the r&b/hip-hop songs chart.)

i wonder if its initial inclusion prompted any complaints from country industryites or if billboard decided to reverse their initial decision of their own volition after seeing how likely it was to become a 'number-one country hit'...

dyl, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 02:37 (two months ago) Permalink

the r&b boom-snap is a plague on country music! (according to this guy)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT9iox7jH1g&t=93s

andrew m., Wednesday, 20 March 2019 14:11 (two months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT9iox7jH1g&t=5s

andrew m., Wednesday, 20 March 2019 14:46 (two months ago) Permalink

well fuck it.

andrew m., Wednesday, 20 March 2019 14:46 (two months ago) Permalink

There was some hick-hop video somebody posted here years ago.. dudes driving hummers through river rapids, chugging jack daniels out of the bottle, o man

brimstead, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 21:16 (two months ago) Permalink

ah I had a phase where I was looking for dark country/hiphop-trap but I didn't really find anything interesting...

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 21 March 2019 08:56 (two months ago) Permalink

elias leight, who reliably serves up incisive reporting on the charts, has gone deeper on lil nas x's removal from the country lists. billboard stated that its initial inclusion on the country charts was an error, and in a further statement provided to genius claims the race of the artist had zero influence on the decision to revoke its country standing. (in much the same way that race has no effect on the actions of supposedly colorblind whites who nonetheless manage to perpetuate the systemic failure to include blacks in myriad white-associated spaces, presumably.)

in the meantime, the song is struggling to gain acceptance at any radio format, although a small number of stations that span a wide range of programming orientations are giving it a try, including, apparently, radio disney country. lil nas x's management, despite initially tagging the tune as country on digital services to help it stand out during its initial ascent up the charts, seems to be rethinking positioning the tune so aggressively as 'country' since they believe it might dampen the artist's acceptance in hip-hop further down the line.

my own take: while it's obvious that the song has a strong novelty quality that deploys its country signifiers very ironically and playfully, this hasn't stopped several other songs and their artists from being accepted as country, including perhaps most notably big & rich's breakthrough single "save a horse (ride a cowboy)".

in any case: this turn of events certainly isn't a big blow for the song's commercial prospects: it's up 19 positions to number 32 on the hot 100 this week. on top of that, leight's story has spread to a number of other outlets, including generalist pop-culture sites, rap-oriented ones, and even taste of country. saving country music has predictably posted a blog headlined "Opposing Lil Nas X's 'Old Town Road' in Country Is Not 'Racism'" that i am not interested in clicking on.

dyl, Thursday, 28 March 2019 17:11 (one month ago) Permalink

Just bc you’re applying the paltry list of remaining signifiers that can make a likely-to-chart song “country” to trap instead of pop shouldn’t be grounds for exclusion, in my eyes

You can't see it but I had an epiphany (Champiness), Thursday, 28 March 2019 21:37 (one month ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ysFgElQtjI

sorry for basically spamming this thread w/ blow-by-blow developments on what is probably going to be a #1 hit in due time

dyl, Saturday, 6 April 2019 00:20 (one month ago) Permalink

dang both versions of this song are good

L'assie (Euler), Saturday, 6 April 2019 08:09 (one month ago) Permalink

i like them too. pretty smart to enlist a country singer best known for a crossover novelty hit for this remix

dyl, Saturday, 6 April 2019 15:14 (one month ago) Permalink

Not a very flattering way to talk about Miley

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 6 April 2019 17:42 (one month ago) Permalink

shocked that in the last 16 years I haven't linked this song into this thread, Imani Coppola - "Legend Of a Cowgirl", one of my absolute all-time favourites

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n26hAOmkmFE

Pack my bags and mount my horse
I'm gonna ride on into the next town
Spend all my money on absolutely nothing
Need no man to pay for anything

Ain't got no shame
Nobody knows my name
I'm gonna ride on into the next town
Pecos Bill couldn't hang for long
A female legend with a song

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 7 April 2019 11:38 (one month ago) Permalink

oh that's really nice, hadn't heard it before somehow. the video is very 90s in the best way.

dyl, Sunday, 7 April 2019 14:11 (one month ago) Permalink


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