is it brostep?

(just so nobody else said it)

duuuuuuuuuude

http://www.thedjlink.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/bassgasm.png

That flyer looks more like what I would expect (nerdy/crunchy).

(not serato)

read that as "BADASSGASM" at first

Hahahaha BASSTHOVEN

Also don't get why they've gone for a grindcore font.

i've met nerdy crunchy d&b dudes and they are still dudes. and kinda clueless about anything other than a really narrow area of boring stuff. maybe they aren't fratboys or whatever. i dunno. the common thread is a love for tedious dance music.

(not serato)

i would have more fun with the king of dudes in indiana probably. at least he likes house music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ToILoeut44

Master's Thesis level shit below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgAUCbYIqTQ

There's like an entire genre of youtube video discussing brostep vs. dubstep.

someone put up a good example of brostep. i'm willing to be swayed. i'm pretty dumb.

Comments like this make me want to love brostep: "There is true artistic dubstep like James Blake and Burial, while there are f.l. studio kids with no heart and soul in there music just trying to make the filthiest wobble." (from that youtube video's comment field)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEuFTBG0Rbg&feature=related

"I kinda took it there, and now everybody else has taken it too far. It's not heavy metal!"

omg the part where the dude goes "why 'brostep'? why not call it like... 'mainstreamstep', or something else ghey like that?"

I want to see someone take Scott up on his request and post a good brostep track...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2vWQFHP3D0

"while there are f.l. studio kids with no heart and soul in there music just trying to make the filthiest wobble."

There's something in this that rings true for any producer in the "hardcore continuum." I suppose it's just tacky when it's a decade late, middlebrow and American.

I don't see Magnetic Man as brostep.

Brostep lyrics transcribed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDTzgpkBZyw

(do not watch if you have photosensitive epilepsy or a nervous disposition)

When I was growin' up in the '80s sometimes I'd drop in to the music store and check out the new synths I couldn't afford. There was always somebody already there playing the keyboard I was trying to get at, testing out its new sounds. Invariably, the guy sounded like he just learned to play. Invariably, a large chunk of time would go by before he'd give me or anyone else a chance to play.

That guy always sounded exactly like the first 60 seconds of that Magnetic Man track....

...rest of the song sounds like generic auto-tuned dancepop circa 2011.

I don't see Magnetic Man as brostep

Case for brostep:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j53mfWs8JlE

This kind of shit is 99% of why I am hesitant to even venture near anyone local djing. More often than not, it's going to be dnb that tries to be haaaaard, brostep-style antics, or in the rare instance, fist-pumping trance-like stuff.

so this magnetic man shit can be summed up as "lol @ first drug experiences"?

wish i could find the video of a daytime festival rave type thing where a nerdy dude is playing skrillex and a bunch of chix in bikini tops and jean shorts and total brobrah fratboys w/backpacks are headbanging. totally sums everything up

need a latepass to the brostep party, not sure if he's relevant here but I just heard my first Deadmau5 track ("I Remember" Caspa rmx) and I gotta say it's fucking garbage, jesus, so lame

at least the "philthy wobble" bits of Skrillex are fun in a trashy way, though the autotune vox bits are just terrible buzzkill garbage

I had sort of assumed that dubsteb was going to stay slow and menacing and dark and was for melancholic post dnb nerds who read sci fi while listening to Burial and Boxcutter and Vex'd and that kinda thing, never predicted the birth of full on attention seeking "Dubstep Anthems" with bad diva vox and ecstatic fast synth rush bits and trance elements but I guess the dancefloors of the world and the highstreet shops have been full of comps of this kinda thing for quite a while

yikes

a lot of this sounds like stupid people drawing inspiration from the wrong aspects of Daft Punk, pouring on the softsynth tutorials from issues of FutureMusic magazine, and ta-da, brostep is served

is this brostep y/n?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-wxhFt8Vf4

youtube thesis guy should sample his ceiling fan

I had sort of assumed that dubsteb was going to stay slow and menacing and dark and was for melancholic post dnb nerds who read sci fi while listening to Burial and Boxcutter and Vex'd and that kinda thing

ha ha yeah this is NOT a direction i ever would have expected dubstep to go back when i was listening to and not really enjoying tempa compilations in 2003.

"lol @ first drug experiences"?

otm

then again i never expected american urban radio to sound like a 2001 mixmag cover-mount cd ten years later so

even kardinal offishall is making whooshy trance-step "club bangers" now :(

There are actually some really good tracks on the Magnetic Man album but only when they pretty much abandon dubstep altogether.

Post Magnetic Man a lot of the poppy stuff sounds surprisingly perky. Brastep?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qORbkqdD58g

have to say, listening to max martin eurorave beats in the woods of massachusetts a couple weeks ago at a miranda cosgrove show was kinda inspiring. so, in theory, ancient lumpenprole rave sounds can work for me. heck, i love the new britney album. but most of this neu-dubstep is just as boring as most regular dubstep to me.

would totally go to a local moombahton night around here if there was one. there will never be one.

If I listen to the SBTRKT and Nero albums am I going to hate myself and feel slightly soiled afterwards?

there is a curious subset of punk-kids-that-into-dance-music-now that eat this up

Master's Thesis level shit below
There's like an entire genre of youtube video discussing brostep vs. dubstep.

? Clarke B., lunes 15 de agosto de 2011 21:07 (Yesterday) Bookmark

omg the part where the dude goes "why 'brostep'? why not call it like... 'mainstreamstep', or something else ghey like that?"

? swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), lunes 15 de agosto de 2011 21:40 (Yesterday) Bookmark

i'm dying

would totally go to a local moombahton night around here if there was one. there will never be one.

― scott seward, martes 16 de agosto de 2011 11:32 (40 minutes ago) Bookmark

i don't know, people everywhere seem to be jumping at the chance to get in on it. coincidentally where at?

i feel like this is revenge on all of us who were bitching circa 2003/2004 that dubstep needed to be "more pop."

either that or revenge on me bitching ca. 1999 to anyone who would listen that 2-step needed to be "more electro"

Haha we all get the music we deserve.

Around 2004-05 I was arguing that indie bands should embrace other styles of music and take production cues from house, techno and R&B and that's probably the single worst call I have ever made.

lol @ Brastep

I think this also belongs on this thread, as I think it's perhaps the "best" pop/autotune/diva/brostep/brastep jam I've heard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOri_2FLVEI

i think maybe the united kingdom should just take a break from dance music for a couple of years. take a bank holiday to brighton. soak up the soggy rays. read a good book.

We pretty much already did that from 2003-2006 except some arseholes took advantage of the lull to sneak dubstep through.

damn them. granted, i should probably check out some, uh, "funky", but i never seem to want to.

nothing sadder than when i get a big box of records in at the store and its full of completely unloveable downtempo acid jazz illbient jungle garage dubtronica. ugh.

also that Tetris theme remix in there is one of the funniest things I've ever listened to

lol otm

I'm sure Nicolas Jaar is a lovely guy. In fact, that move seemed even out of character when I saw it somehow. But I guess that speaks to the consensus position on wobbly dubstep.

And OK, the Tetris theme remix is stoopid (that's the point, isn't it?), it's right in the Sesame's Treet terrain, but Doctor P's track Garoyle is on an entirely different level imo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqqAQ7CEAVQ

yeah, but that isn't on the playlist :)

I mean, I didn't ask the guy personally what his deal with the playlist was (if this thread was last week, I could have gone to his panel at mutek and done so, but..) throwing a bunch of stuff that is really meatheaded and of-the-moment on a playlist seems just goofy to me

ugh do i really have to pick a side of either yon brosteppers or the minimal crowd? where's the plank i'll just walk that instead

I'm sorry, it's brostep or nothing. But if you pick brostep you get a complimentary Korn album

Wow, it's not about choosing sides, surely. Not for us anyway.

I would say though, a dude like Nicholas Jaar might be better served than to draw attention to the tastefulness of his music (I also can't believe we're now discussing this)...

idk if that's the point

unless your fetish for this music is that it's not "tasteful"

I mean, there have been pretty intellectual dudes making flat-out crazy and silly dance music forever, but there are also total meatheads. I don't know that intellect or "good/bad" taste come into it from a one-off joke

like... could Jaar have been POKING FUN AT HIMSELF by posting that?

There's so many possibilities :)

idk, being 22 years old and being near a college campus sounds like it'd be a way to get tired of bros and brostep pretty fast

In any case, this isn't criticism of Jaar (I own some of his records, if that matters to you). But I do think the chart was weird. If its a sign of his own insecurities or a plea for laughs, he went for this genre either way. And honestly, I'm starting to regret linking to that chart...

given the way that 'brostep' is dealt with by music journalists as a joke, as annoying, as noisy, trashy, cheap, as something that the kids are into, etc. But some of these tracks are really great, I can totally hear echoes of things I LOVE in them, like hardcore and breakbeat house - early Prodigy and XL stuff, Hyper-On Experience, etc

early XL stuff and Prodigy and the like were also cheap and things the kids were into and there were undoubtedly old people bitching about them then, with some of the critical olds occasionally saying they were ok

big obvious things that lots of young people like are always mocked, nothing new to see here

Well, yeah. That's sort of what I'm getting at, except for that final part of there nothing new to see here. It's both a return and mutation of rave aesthetics.

And there's another possibility, of course, that the Jaar list is genuine endorsement! ;)

Carnival madness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBg-_6yXP9k&feature=related

This has been an interesting revive (though it's played havoc on my last.fm stats oh dear, I'm going to blame that on the hacking, shall I? It can't possibly be me listening to all that Doctor P and SKisM and terrible, terrible things.)

I started looking at this stuff because I accidentally fell in love with a track I suspect to be Brostep-ish, I know to be objectively horrible, and yet I still have become completely obsessed with. And my question was kind of "HOW the fuck did this genre get from X to Y?" (Being someone who only really pays attention when a breakout single from a genre crosses over enough to be ubiquitous.) Where X was probably Night by Benga & Coki and Y was someone saying "well, Full Attention is probably a better fusion of that Dubstep-Pop sound than Britney Spears" when I liked *both* Full Attention and Femme Fatale.

I suppose it's a cliche to find genres interesting either 1) when they haven't fully coalesced yet and they're still quite wide open or 2) when they're so overblown (in a floral sense) and past their prime that they start to totally disintegrate.

But listening to this stuff is the same sense I get sifting through freakbeat/garage pop nuggets from the 60s. That when a genre is this big, this crossed-over/successful and this *active* that due to sheer volume there is going to be some of it that is actually really interesting - especially when the whole hook to the genre is "let's make the freakiest, most fucked-up sounding wacky carnival of sounds using a mass produced version of new technology." Maybe Fruity-Loops is to this kinda music what Vox was to the 60s or the cheap digital delay was to the 90s. If not just dozens or hundreds but thousands of people hear a sound on pop radio or clubs and try to recreate it, with varying degrees of success or mutation, 99% of it might be garbage but the 1% that turns out to be Voices Green And Purple or Sweet Shop is going to make it worth digging through.

But I'm so far removed from this, I don't have to deal with context or bros. (Or S Reynolds unless someone on ILX links to him.) For me, it's just seeing someone on twitter complaining about "wub-step" and me going "hang on, WUB is my favourite sound in the world, are you saying there's WUB in it now coz ifso no matter what it is, I am there." The references to Dungeons & Dragons and green goo type stuff just seems, well, silly to me, because I am not nor have I ever been a teenage boy. But the carnival aspect of some of this sounds a lot more psychedelic in a "whoa, what the fuck was that sound?" than music which is slotted into the "Psychedelic" genre.

Jaar is someone whose music I just can't see the point of, though. It's mystifying to me. But BeatPort charts are also kind mystifying to me tho I know DJs love doing them.

Going through the Wicky Lindows stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKutvCtVk9c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BwaEg0tOj4

k clearly they're dancing to house but still

http://media.laweekly.com/7932028.0.jpg

That guy stepped in something.

i don't know about that, if that dork w/ the white shorts and sunglasses is on beat the beats are definitely in the 135-140 range (which i suppose could be like hard trance or whatever)

hello sailor

tiesto

http://media.laweekly.com/7932028.0.jpgp

do the brostep!

dude in what looks like furs and shorts and slippers on the far left is pretty cool tho

he's like the token rave shaman

How does one become a rave shaman?

dunno but raves always have a few of those guys, at least the Cali ones

i frankyl can't believe how this thread's turned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDpXAZhLZFo

we've come a long way, baby

https://twitter.com/RaveSnob/statuses/301467708426448897 @RaveSnob

the ACTUAL fact of brostep being the soundtrack the State of the Union address HOW. EVEN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwuEnyV1Cb0

state of brounion

#FOLKSTEP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7iHfhBfRKs

why should we donate to the keeplove movement?

For the topical but not necessarily political - though the news prompting this is likely to get very political.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22630303

apparent eyewitness account:
https://twitter.com/BOYADEE

Oops sorry phone made a post with ancient fragment from other thread

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