Lana Del Rey

That's just par for the course tho?

i don't really know what she's even responding to, like yeah people were saying that stuff like 8 years ago but i didn't think they still were?

Apparently she's responding to something Thurston Moore wrote, in... 2015? idgie

the big deal for me she seems to say that a number of high profile Black women musicians have an easier time from critics in terms of the content of their songs than her, which to me seems both false and racist

also imagine in 2020 being someone that thinks beyoncé just makes “sexy songs”. moronic

anyway she’s gone straight for the beyhive and the barbz, so good luck to her!!! lol

I would pay double retail price for the next Lana Del Rey album if it meant I never had to read anyone else's thoughts about it, or her. Triple retail if that included her own thoughts about herself.

otm yet you still clicked on this thread just now and so did I.

i don't really know what she's even responding to, like yeah people were saying that stuff like 8 years ago but i didn't think they still were?

enh feel like I've seen slight variants on here a lot more recently

I would pay double retail price for the next Lana Del Rey album if it meant I never had to read anyone else's thoughts about it, or her.

an absolute steal imho

Anyway, I’m more unsettled by the fact that lj has yet to weigh in on the recent KAS debacle. Could it be that he’s concealing his own anti-vaxxer views by proxy?

I googled this because I’m a masochist and I can’t atop laughing at I’m fed up with female writers and alt singers saying that I glamorize abuse when in reality I’m just a glamorous person singing about the realities of what we are all now seeing are very prevalent abusive relationships all over the world.

Also following up

With all of the topics women are finally allowed to explore I just want to say over the last ten years I think it’s pathetic that my minor lyrical exploration detailing my sometimes submissive or passive roles in my relationships has often made people say I’ve set women back hundreds of years.

with:

Let this be clear, I’m not not a feminist

basically I can’t wait for her forthcoming collaboration with Kanye

honestly surprised it hasn't happened yet since kanye is a known fan of hers right?

do you mean the guy she openly disparaged on her last album and in the press

I know quite a few women who have gripes with mainstream feminist discourse. Do you guys not or

oh i'd forgotten about that, really shows how much i pay attention to her lyrics lol

i don't think she's glamourising abuse and the claims she does have always been a mess, but she's doing herself absolutely no favours here

I agree that as a rule musicians shouldn't bother getting into the much of rebutting criticism but the idea she's talking about something not-real is pretty blatantly false

“I’m not not a feminist—but there has to be a place in feminism for women who look and act like me—the kind of woman who says no but men hear yes—the kind of women who are slated mercilessly for being their authentic, delicate selves, the kind of women who get their own stories and voices taken away from them by stronger women or by men who hate women.”

this reads very differently when you go beyond the first five words

there is a tiny kernel of a point (female artists especially are expected to make a didactic, good-role-model music) buried in a lot of bad take

authentic

I really wish this word hadn't been bludgeoned to death.

Opening with “now that all the darkies had hits with their punanis, can’t I just be famous and sad in peace” is not going to put me in a space to give her the benefit of the doubt.

^^^^^^

who are some white women who've had number ones recently besides Ariana

like the optics are clearly bad but what kinda dataset are we working with here

(this is a real question, I don't pay attention to the pop charts and I had to google Doja Cat's ethnicity)

actually it would have been smart to name Eilish cause I don't recall anyone giving her shit for "Bad Guy" (idk maybe they did and I missed The Discourse)

I mostly saw "it's super creepy that her brother wrote that song for her" countered by "they wrote it together and the creepiness is obviously intentional"

that sounds about right

I was just listening to the new 1975 and I was imagining the absolute shitstorm that would befall LDR if she has similarly included a "cheeky" lyric about how she was "too busy" to get involved in politics

Simon doesn't care if you're a black, white, green, purple Doja Cat

moo!

why bring any of those women into it?

I was just listening to the new 1975 and I was imagining the absolute shitstorm that would befall LDR if she has similarly included a "cheeky" lyric about how she was "too busy" to get involved in politics

― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:16 AM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

... is this a scenario that would ever happen

why bring any of those women into it?

she should definitely have just stuck to "my contemporaries" or something

is this a scenario that would ever happen

no I do not think this exact scenario I completely imagined would happen. but it's really not hard for me to locate the feeling that she inspires vitriol for things other artists don't get pilloried for. just the mention of her name to certain friends has inspired remarkable levels of derision that go well beyond the norm. (and I don't think they're reading interviews.)

I still really like her but she does seem, lately, to kind of explode in anger at aspects of reviews that no one else seems to recognize or see. I wish it was clearer what she was explicitly reacting to here.

she does get a lot of shit she doesn't deserve but she's really brought it on herself here

yeah to be clear the ratio of kernel of point to bad take is something like 5:95

this reads very differently when you go beyond the first five words

Yes, it reads like "I'm not a feminist except for when it's convenient and directly beneficial to me."

the kind of woman who says no but men hear yes

pretty sure this is not a kind of woman but her metaphysics of relations seems to be very advanced

'norman fucking rockwell' is a great album

the kind of women who get their own stories and voices taken away from them by stronger women

Is this meant to refer to Ann P0wers specifically?

as with the ann powers thing my reaction to this is mainly: whut

having ppl comb thru yr every thought and sound with dismissiveness/derision (and yes a ton of sexism) makes some ppl extremely defensive. It's not rocket science

i gotta be real i do not think this statement makes enough sense to defend, and that opening line is horrendous, and once again i am like "wow it's even more incredible that this seemingly profoundly un-self-aware person is credited with creating a deeply layered persona that refracts america back at itself or whatever"

once again i am like "wow it's even more incredible that this seemingly profoundly un-self-aware person is credited with creating a deeply layered persona that refracts america back at itself or whatever"

But what's more American than a total lack of self-awareness?

lol otm

shhh i hear thinkpieces brewing xp

Thinkpiece blueprint no. 1: said lack may in fact be imputable to excess.