iceage - new brigade

digging this.

Me too, a lot. There's been some talk about this in the rolling punk/pitchfork GTFO 2011 thread.

tbh they were a lil meh in SF monday

yeah ppl freaked out when dj mencap brought em up... I'm still kinda eh on them, lotsa ppl love it tho

sounds like they were dicks at a recent show?

Rolling punk / non-indie underground / pitchfork GTFO thread 2011

i saw that post, but my impression is just that theyre young and touring a foreign country. sometimes young foreign bands have annoying managers.

i love this album a lot

I like his voice a lot.

I just found out they're playing in Portland tomorrow. I'm so totally going.

3 upcoming shows in NY btw:

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2011/07/iceage_played_e.html

Think I need to listen to this louder. Been listening in my office much too quiet

I want to imagine the lead singer is using a fake accent, for some reason.
This is rollicking.

So there was an article in the Chicago Reader last week talking about recent bands playing around with fascist imagery (mostly framed around Odd Future, these guys, and Cult of Youth) brought up a few things that make me wonder if I should feel a little more uncomfortable about having given them money for their album. Full article here, relevant excerpts below.

Iceage's lead singer, Elias Bender Ronnenfelt, has put out zines of feverish pen-and-ink illustrations in which race rioters and hooded figures resembling Klansmen run amok—they're indebted to the drawings of American artist Raymond Pettibon (who did lots of artwork for his brother's band Black Flag), not only in their controversial subject matter but in their almost complete lack of comfortably distancing irony.

Iceage's vaguely skinhead-thug stage outfits and frequent use of runes in promotional materials—a subtle reference to the white-­supremacist movement—have provoked plenty of accusations of racism. But to my eyes these gestures are in the tradition of the Sex Pistols and Siouxsie Sioux prancing around London wearing swastikas—young people playing around with loaded imagery to piss off everyone who's not already as angry as they are.

"skinhead-thug stage outfits" seems pretty relevant insofar as it indicates how little that piece is bringing to the table

afaic there's no reason whatsoever for OF to be even mentioned either, apart from (a) they're the only band of the three that people care about on a remotely wide level and (b) two bands isn't enough for a crypto-trend piece

Yeah, the links to Iceage are pretty thin, it was clearly meant to be yet another thinkpiece about Odd Future that tossed in a couple other bands to round it out. I was just surprised because I'd never heard anything at all, even remotely, about Iceage and Cult of Youth being linked to "fascism".

American artist Raymond Pettibon (who did lots of artwork for his brother's band Black Flag), not only in their controversial subject matter but in their almost complete lack of comfortably distancing irony.

^^
guh...wtf

yeah just look at these dudes what skinhead nazis

http://www.reviler.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/iceage-band-3.jpg

Just to clarify, I'm not supporting any of the claims in this article or anything, just posted it for discussion. I thought it was interesting because I'd never heard any of these accusations about Iceage or Cult of Youth.

I mean its pretty much just an OF thinkpiece that needed a couple more examples to identify a "trend" that doesn't even really exist.

^^ding ding ding

the idea that pettibon isn't ironic or have distance is p bizarre to me

Yeah, that part was hugely weird.

Basically, the only thing I really wonder, have these Iceage accusations been raised anywhere else? Are these pulled wholly out of this guy's ass?

Bullshit afaic.

He links to this piece that uses video and photos of the artwork to make allegations. There are also comments disagreeing

http://magicmuscle.wordpress.com/2011/06/25/chic-racism-elevates-hardcore-band-iceage-to-hipster-fame/

If anything, for a punk band made up entirely of teenagers, they should be commended on how little sensationalist stuff they've indulged in.

Without analysis of their lyrics (which I haven’t been able to find online), direct confrontation of the band members, and possibly arduous decryption of the pages written in Runes in Elias’ zine, it cannot be stated with certainty that Iceage has fascist sympathies or if they are, as the hypemachine intends to portray them, just angry Danish high school kids.

...but let's not let that stop us

The point in the Iceage video where they puff bong smoke out through the Klannish hood was enough of an ironic hint for me.

i really can't make myself like their record, this is just gonna make it even harder

Usually the Danes don't develop the actual fascist tendencies until they enter adulthood

i really can't make myself like their record, this is just gonna make it even harder

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, August 15, 2011 2:19 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

completely made-up allegations from a poorly written blog are making it harder?

Okay I wouldn't exactly call the Chicago Reader a "poorly written blog".

i meant the article/post

"completely made up" ....Nah, while possibly untrue (the bong smoking part seems to suggest some irony as noted above) as that other link shows they do like playing around with certain imagery re klan hoods, race war, fred perry's.

oh no not the Fred Perrys!!!!

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Mar/Week2/15572559.jpg

where is your money really going???

seein these guys tomorrow night. been listening to nothing but this album all week, so many amazing moments

think they addressed the racist imagery thing interviewed in the local alt weekly here. they're not racist iirc

what did they say abt it?

kill people, burn shit, fuck school

kill all people regardless of race or creed

lol

do people still care about OF in august of 2011

right i mean people have been going "are they racist or just misanthropic" for how long about how many ~outsider~ artists

I haven't read thought or heard about them in a long time, I've never thought about them really though, it's not like they make anything

http://www.lowegallery.com/artists/don-van-vliet/images/1.jpg

The result is unsettling considering their ages, and even led one pug­nacious blogger to accuse them of being fascists. They say they’re not, and that despite the current political climate in their homeland, they and many of their peers are choosing to stay apolitical when it comes to their music. “Sometimes political music can feel a bit played out, and it loses its message. There are still some political bands in Denmark, but not as many as there used to be. Times have changed, and you can’t just keep doing the same things forever.”

more importantly, the subtitle of the article: We Can Dansk If We Want To

Without analysis of their lyrics (which I haven’t been able to find online), direct confrontation of the band members, and possibly arduous decryption of the pages written in Runes in Elias’ zine, it cannot be stated with certainty that Iceage has fascist sympathies or if they are, as the hypemachine intends to portray them, just angry Danish high school kids.

Way to write a "thinkpiece" w/ zero attempt at proper research; the CD comes with a lyric sheet.

lol

The downloads don't, lol.

Pls stop the hypemachine guys.

frequent use of runes in promotional materials—a subtle reference to the white-­supremacist movement—have provoked plenty of accusations of racism.

The white-supremacist movement or, you know, an ancient alphabet that used for centuries before the white-supremacist movement existed.

Also "Plenty of accusations."

frequent use of runes in promotional materials—a subtle reference

"Nancy Sinatra's 'These Boots Were Made For Walking" - a subtle reference to the German jackboot marching across Europe or, to paraphrase George Orwell, stamping on the face of humanity forever."

Okay I genuinely don't believe the dudes in Iceage are racist or fascist, but to pretend that some of the imagery they are playing around with doesn't have a loaded history is being willfully obtuse.

Never mind that, do these guys know there's already a reasonably well known band called Ice Ages?

http://i1-games.softpedia-static.com/screenshots/Ice-Age-3-2-Trainer_3.jpg

a well known film

lucky for all involved they called their band Iceage and not Ice Ages then, so no-one would get confused

That didn't work so well for the guys in Blacksabbat though.

I am seeing them tomorrow.

ask them if they are fascist

saw these dudes last night, singer had a burzum patch on his jacket's left breast

haha i thought about seeing them tonight but gave it a pass cuz i dont really like the venue they were playing

I saw them in PDX and they were ok but idk I'm not that huge into punk and also pdx bros just stand there and don't move around or anything (booooring)

they didnt play any of what i consider to be the "hits" off the album & no encores, in some post on punk thread someone says they played 3 in cali or something? still a good show though, v handsome dudes

v handsome dudes

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lol

I didn't end up seeing them.

they're like ridiculously hot, I perved out on them on the gay thread a few months back

I wish to spearhead the substantial gay hipster chickenhawk fanbase for iceage

http://www.undergroundbee.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/IMG_9034.jpg
elias is the justin bieber of scandi-punk

squeee cuddlesteinmtn etc.

I guess I am immune. "Your cheekbones have no effect on me, supervillain."

http://www.viceland.com/blogs/en/files/2011/06/picture-1.png
but he wants to share his food with you Owen

I am not interested in "my first ever dhal".

just realised i missed their show on tuesday because i had a mental idea of it being tonight instead. had ordered my ticket online and everything. i'm not a huge fan of the album, finding it a little too linear and insipid, but the show would have been fun.

their live show is awesome

bloody noses in the moshpit and everything

I'm with you, I'd be E's scoutmaster anytime.

monday @ merc lounge in new york

i might go

will sell out, i suspect

yeah on facebook event it said "half sold out" and the place is pretty small

qt punx

this album rules

these guys kinda look like they grew up on big sister's i-D mags

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m51_3BrKAlk

I'd be E's scoutmaster anytime.

...and delete bookmark

c'mon man up!

before this thread who could have guessed that fascism and homoeroticism could exist in such close company

gonna see em tonight. last show of their U.S. tour.

xp I will say lol for you

image search: "mishima" "saint sebastian"

which one of the songs on this album is good

White Rune is what I would play in a nightclub to dancing teenagers.

Pls stop the hypemachine guys.

/frequent use of runes in promotional materials—a subtle reference to the white- supremacist movement—have provoked plenty of accusations of racism./

The white-supremacist movement or, you know, an ancient alphabet that used for centuries before the white-supremacist movement existed.

Also "Plenty of accusations."
--Namu Amida Bootsy (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ)

"no, they're the good swastikas"

except they aren't swastikas.

Are all releases on Rune Grammofon now declared fascist? Do I have to burn my Jenny Hval and Jazzkammer records as well as a bunch of little lead elf figures I've got in the loft? Please inform me.

One of Iceage is called Jack and he wears boots. The horrific plot thickens.

are deez guys still around :B

I think the lead singer has other bands. Var or something. they played here a while ago. didn't go.

this is still a good album

their live show was "punk" in a way that I'm not really into anymore though (read: barely 20 minutes long, audience spazzing)

everyone just stood still when I saw them in Portland; it was like wtf

wait i already said that once

http://pitchfork.com/news/48615-iceage-sign-to-matador-for-new-album/

http://www.matadorrecords.com/matablog/2012/12/11/iceage-youre-nothing-out-february-19/

new song is awesome.
what a singer. what a drummer.

http://pitchfork.com/news/49066-iceage-share-new-track-announce-tour/

best vocals in post-punk since Nick Cave at the Birthday Party imo

cool