Wot no 2011 Mercury Music Prize thread?

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The 2011 nominations were released today:

Adele - 21
Anna Calvi - Anna Calvi
Elbow - Build A Rocket Boys!
Everything Everything - Man Alive
Ghostpoet - Peanut Butter Blues and Melancholy Jam
Gwilym Simcock - Good Days At Schloss Elmau
James Blake - James Blake
Katy B - On A Mission
King Creosote & Jon Hopkins - Diamond Mine
Metronomy - The English Riviera
PJ Harvey - Let England Shake
Tinie Tempah - Disc-Overy

Background Zombie (CharlieNo4), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 11:46 (nine years ago) link

Would have been better as a snarky poll.

Karen D. Tregaskin, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 11:47 (nine years ago) link

I was expecting/hoping to see The Leisure Society, Hurts and maybe Grasscut on there, but actually it's the least annoying shortlist I've seen in a few years.

Who will win? Anna Calvi, Tinie Tempah or James Blake.

Background Zombie (CharlieNo4), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 11:48 (nine years ago) link

Adele is the obvious winner. Given it's that panel.

Mark G, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 11:48 (nine years ago) link

Who's on the panel this year?

Background Zombie (CharlieNo4), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 11:55 (nine years ago) link

Would have been better as a snarky poll.

― Karen D. Tregaskin, Tuesday, July 19, 2011 11:47 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lex pretend, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 11:55 (nine years ago) link

Well this shd be an exciting and thought-provoking examination of everything that's wonderful about music in 2011.

dave lool (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 11:55 (nine years ago) link

taking this sack of shit seriously is so unseemly

lex pretend, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 11:55 (nine years ago) link

(Kate, you're right, I should've done a poll!)

Background Zombie (CharlieNo4), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 11:55 (nine years ago) link

the popjustice shortlist once again contrives to be EVEN WORSE fyi

lex pretend, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 11:56 (nine years ago) link

taking this sack of shit seriously is so unseemly

this is like the truth bombing of Dresden

dave lool (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 11:56 (nine years ago) link

popjustice list the same but with Jessie J instead of the jazz record?

dave lool (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 11:57 (nine years ago) link

popjustice list is minus katy b as well #fearofurban

lex pretend, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 11:58 (nine years ago) link

Minus Katy B, plus a load of things I've never heard of #howcanitbepopthenright?

Background Zombie (CharlieNo4), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 12:00 (nine years ago) link

i really like Ghostpoet's voice/flow btw

dave lool (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 12:01 (nine years ago) link

I've only heard Katy B, P J Harvey, Metronomy, and James Blake. Katy B (except for the track where she just thanks people like this is the fucking Oscars or something)and P J Harvey are dead good. Actually if Katy B wins she should just play that bit.

pandemic, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 12:01 (nine years ago) link

Ghostpoet album is brilliant, live show somewhat less so but that's not the issue here.

Background Zombie (CharlieNo4), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 12:02 (nine years ago) link

Srsly shall I scrap this and repost as a poll? VOTE NOW!

Background Zombie (CharlieNo4), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 12:02 (nine years ago) link

Katy BJ Harvey

Karen D. Tregaskin, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 12:09 (nine years ago) link

OMG I'm trying to imagine what those two albums mixed would sound like, and a bassheavy urban exploration of WWI british wardead folksongs would be... wow, my favourite thing in the world.

Karen D. Tregaskin, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 12:10 (nine years ago) link

The King Creosote/Jon Hopkins album is excellent.

Seem to be a lot of miffed Tweets at the moment about Wild Beasts missing out yet again.

groovypanda, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 12:21 (nine years ago) link

how are we defining "a lot" here?

dave lool (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 12:22 (nine years ago) link

Well 'Wild Beats' is currently one of the top trends in the UK:

https://twitter.com/#!/search/%22Wild%20Beasts%22

groovypanda, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 12:24 (nine years ago) link

Mansun were bad enough first time round IMO.

Neil S, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 12:27 (nine years ago) link

what a disaster for some band i've never heard of

dave lool (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 12:28 (nine years ago) link

Wild Beasts are an indie rock band fromCLICK

dave lool (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 12:29 (nine years ago) link

And Wild Beats are what, exactly?

Mark G, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 12:32 (nine years ago) link

I love Wild Beasts.

lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 12:42 (nine years ago) link

anyone who writes a "miffed tweet" or similar about a band not being nominated for the Mercury Prize is a straight up oxygen thief

0% wiggle room on this stance

I got ten felonies / bitch I'm Craig Bellamy (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 12:43 (nine years ago) link

What about "really should not have been" ?

Adele does not need the money nor the recog.

That's it.

Mark G, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 12:45 (nine years ago) link

this isn't about money or recognition, it's about choosing the best shit indie record of the year from a diverse field

dave lool (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 12:47 (nine years ago) link

Hope the Creosote/Hopkins album wins.

djh, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 12:54 (nine years ago) link

I don't listen to much recorded jazz but I'm rather enjoying the Gwilym Simcock album. It's def not the best shit indie record of the year.

Upt0eleven, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 13:22 (nine years ago) link

There's always a token jazz pick tho

Number None, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 13:24 (nine years ago) link

So, the Lex, Noodles, other naysayers - what would be on your lists? Or is it the very idea of a list that offends?

Background Zombie (CharlieNo4), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 13:28 (nine years ago) link

No point wheeling out the old clichés about Mercury for the twelfth time; my views on the listed records are as follows:

Adele – 21
Songs which bluff and barf rather than brood and boil; supposedly personal songs which pull off the skilful trick of telling you absolutely nothing about the artist while making you think you’re learning everything. 4AD might have found a use for her had she been born in 1963.

Anna Calvi - Anna Calvi
Probably not that much deeper than 21 but a far more entertaining listen, mostly because Calvi’s voice and violin seem to be vying with each other to see which can tell the truer story. Rhythms are taut and tested, subject matter (when you can discern it) is alluring. She would have fitted right into 4AD had she been born in 1965.

Elbow - Build A Rocket Boys!
Garvey’s always better when he’s not trying to do “anthems,” quietens down and lets the music do the talking. Better songs than Seldom, more focused performances and overall their best in a decade.

Everything Everything - Man Alive
Coldplay wearing Matching Mole hats. And that’s meant to be a recommendation.

Ghostpoet - Peanut Butter Blues and Melancholy Jam
Nice sense of vulnerability; you never quite know whether the reciter is going to collapse into your arms or fall on you from a height of fifty feet, thus the tension (though rather 1995 in an Earthling way) is sustainable and the songs stagger out of the shelter, not finding the rain that much of a burden.

Gwilym Simcock - Good Days At Schloss Elmau
Efficient John Taylor-type who knows his Mehldau and, once he finds some musicians who can challenge him, might one day be as good a pianist as Mick Pyne was.

James Blake - James Blake
George Michael having just listened to Biosphere, thinking it was Eluvium. That’s also a recommendation.

Katy B - On A Mission
Better pop than the atrocious Jessie J, a feeling of imminent explosion if she can avoid the Ms Dynamite second album/all-round-entertainer trap.

King Creosote & Jon Hopkins - Diamond Mine
They’d like to be Dick Gaughan, like I’d like to be Cecil Taylor.

Metronomy - The English Riviera
1976 Patrick Moraz filtered through This Heat and keep your sombreros on, even in Torquay.

PJ Harvey - Let England Shake
Breaking her decade-long pattern of keep-the-Q-readers-on-side record followed by do-what-I-want record, she finds herself a giggling, petrified echo of Thick As A Brick as The Royal Family and the Poor might have played it. Gillian Welch’s new one is about a hundred times as profound and tries about a hundred times less to be an Event, but this will (Mandy?) more than do.

Tinie Tempah - Disc-Overy
Hood Economics was funny, sharp and non-timewasting, even in its eighty minutes. The first two singles and most of the album’s second half suggest useful ways of getting this mainstream (“Pass Out” in particular takes the Massive Attack template somewhere it’s never wanted to go before), but too much Fraser T Smith and “anthems” and stop-the-Q-readers-from-sticking-to-Seal anti-strategics to be considered a success.

it's the centrality of and disproportionate attention given to this particular list that offends

i agree with pj harvey and katy b being on any shortlist. marsha ambrosius is a sadly predictable omission, the uk music industry seems determined to pretend she doesn't exist despite her us success. i liked the wiley, jamie woon and hyetal from this year too, also lady leshurr if mixtapes count.

of the undeserving on the shortlist - adele is an extraordinarily boring hack, elbow i assume are as dully competent as they've always been, james blake is fucking dreadful, there sadly isn't much great (and a lot very bad) on the tinie tempah album beyond "pass out", nothing metronomy have ever done has made me give the slightest shit about them, i got sent the ghostpoet album a while ago and thought nothing of it on one cursory listen.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 20:22 (nine years ago) link

You used to love Elbow, didn't you?

lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 21:10 (nine years ago) link

Try Ghostpoet again, Lex - I'd be interested to hear what you think. Fair enough re basically the rest of what you said, apart from James Blake, who isn't dreadful, just quite boring.

Background Zombie (CharlieNo4), Friday, 22 July 2011 15:08 (nine years ago) link

NB I've already done a complete volte-face since hearing the Katy B album - I think it'll win and that's where my doomed annual tenner's going.

Background Zombie (CharlieNo4), Friday, 22 July 2011 16:31 (nine years ago) link

I'm not convinced Katy B is front-to-back great but it's moreso than Tinie or Adele and it would benefit from more exposure so if they want to go populist that's a good bet. My tenner went on PJ just because it's my favourite album of 2011 but I could see them blanching at awarding it to a former winner.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Friday, 22 July 2011 16:34 (nine years ago) link

i don't know which out of pj and katy i love more, but i'd rather katy won - i don't know if i want to see the cries of "boring! establishment win!" that will go up if she wins, much as LES deserves any and all plaudits it gets. (and they will go up, she IS so established and the only people who won't have checked LES out by then are surely those who've decided that PJH, generally, is not for them? she really seems to have ended up in a position where either you love her unreservedly and rep for her at all times, or she's just not on your radar at all)

lex pretend, Friday, 22 July 2011 16:44 (nine years ago) link

My fiver went on King Creosote (at 22/1).

djh, Friday, 22 July 2011 18:10 (nine years ago) link

she really seems to have ended up in a position where either you love her unreservedly and rep for her at all times, or she's just not on your radar at all.

PJ is the UK Bjork, in that sense (and arguably several others).

Background Zombie (CharlieNo4), Thursday, 28 July 2011 14:18 (nine years ago) link

This is better than most Mercury lists in that it actually has the two best albums of the year on it. Obviously PJ Harvey isn't going to win as she's won before, wouldn't be surprised if Katy B won. Guessing it'll be her or Anna Calvi. Worst case scenario = the useless Everything Everything.

Ghostpoet is really boring, like Roots Manuva when he really isn't trying.

Matt DC, Friday, 29 July 2011 09:49 (nine years ago) link

:(

apart from a bit of clumsy-sounding conscious lyrics shtick ghostpoet is the hangover miserabilist album of the year

graveshitwave (Noodle Vague), Friday, 29 July 2011 09:57 (nine years ago) link

that is jamie woon for me

(i don't think i can listen to rap when i'm hungover)

lex pretend, Friday, 29 July 2011 09:58 (nine years ago) link

bone thugs is decent hangover rap

graveshitwave (Noodle Vague), Friday, 29 July 2011 09:59 (nine years ago) link

why is this still a thing

especially with those nominations

CHILLIN' WILL SHAKESPEARE (King Boy Pato), Friday, 29 July 2011 11:13 (nine years ago) link

dunno it's like the NME thread innit luddite nostalgia gumps

i'm sorry for whatever (Noodle Vague), Friday, 29 July 2011 11:14 (nine years ago) link

i'm mostly amazed that they never factored in reviews before. who did they think was on the panel? (have never bet on this.)

lex pretend, Tuesday, 23 August 2011 09:39 (nine years ago) link

It was a golden age, Lex. Now the odds are pretty much as they should be. If PJ hadn't won before then I think she'd be a shoo-in.

Now he's doing horse (DL), Tuesday, 23 August 2011 09:58 (nine years ago) link

it's so...mercury music prize to have only rewarded her worst album

lex pretend, Tuesday, 23 August 2011 10:09 (nine years ago) link

I feel kind of terrible in that I'm still waiting for PJ Harvey to click with me. I even saw her live this summer and it didn't move me at all. I realise this is kind of a challops on this board though, and I'm sure there'll come a day where she'll come on shuffle at the right time and I'll be all "Hey! This is f'kin great!!". Is it a lyrics thing maybe? I don't tend to pay much attention to lyrics until about the third or fourth time around (at least).

Who are the panel for the prize? Anyone know?

Why'd You Wanna Tweet Me So Bad? (dog latin), Tuesday, 23 August 2011 10:20 (nine years ago) link

(The odds on PJ are ... not worth placing money on.)

djh, Tuesday, 23 August 2011 11:09 (nine years ago) link

Every time I hear her albums, I always enjoy her diversity and talent, etc.

Every time I see her live on TV, my mind goes "PATTISMITH! PATTISMITH! PATTISMITH! PATTISMITH! PATTISMITH! "...

Mark G, Tuesday, 23 August 2011 11:39 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Peej won.

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 14:46 (nine years ago) link

I've never been able to get into anything by PJ Harvey. Her stuff just sounds cold and dreary to me. I know it's supposed to be good, and I'm interest in the political side of it but she's just never taken me - even when I saw her live in the summer.

It was a Thursday night. I was working late... (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 14:58 (nine years ago) link

huh

have you considered that you might be a zombie

Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 14:59 (nine years ago) link

Yeah... I can't get into Elvis Costello either.

It was a Thursday night. I was working late... (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:02 (nine years ago) link

well that's understandable

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:04 (nine years ago) link

It's that one song (by PJ) I used to hear on the Evening Session in the '90s that went "La La La La Please Please Pleeeeasse" - didn't like it. Didn't like the way her voice plead so much and I didn't like the repetitiveness of the guitars now the furrow-browed sincerity of it all. It's not as though I don't appreciate these factors in other acts, her stuff just makes me feel cold and uncomfortable. All the same I do want to get into it - just never heard anything by her that excites me.

It was a Thursday night. I was working late... (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:07 (nine years ago) link

now = nor

It was a Thursday night. I was working late... (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:07 (nine years ago) link

Is Tinie Tempah supposed to be pronounced like "Tiny Temper"?

kkvgz, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:11 (nine years ago) link

yes

It was a Thursday night. I was working late... (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:11 (nine years ago) link

or "toy-nee temp-aw" if you're from sunny South London

It was a Thursday night. I was working late... (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:12 (nine years ago) link

Could never get into her either but I've liked stuff I've heard from her last album

Euripides Trousers (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:13 (nine years ago) link

... Peej that is

Euripides Trousers (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:13 (nine years ago) link

when I saw the name Tinie Tempah, I figured it would be another girl rapper like Lady Sov.

kkvgz, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:13 (nine years ago) link

Also, calling the album Disc-Overy (ovary?). Has the British public already had their fun with this?

kkvgz, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:17 (nine years ago) link

dog latin, when was the last time you checked this out:

http://open.spotify.com/track/1f57D54zUH9ajzZ9N7rGE2

still rocks IMO

Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:29 (nine years ago) link

will give it a proper spin tonight when i get home DJP

It was a Thursday night. I was working late... (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:30 (nine years ago) link

Marcello, I think this is the earlier thread.

kkvgz, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:33 (nine years ago) link

lulz charlie no 4 really did screw up this year's mercury thread. thankfully it's not a thing to care about anyway, though obv i'm happy with the winner

lex pretend, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:33 (nine years ago) link

i pronounce it "tiny tempura" btw and then i eat sushi

lex pretend, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:34 (nine years ago) link

and given the britpop shite dog latin has copped to liking i'm quite glad PJH has been spared his taste

lex pretend, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:34 (nine years ago) link

not sure King Creosote could be described as Britpop...

Neil S, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:38 (nine years ago) link

Wow at this guy
http://twitter.com/#!/MatthewCainC4

"PJ Harvey wins Mercury for obscure album no-one liked or bought - how predictable! What's wrong with music connecting with lots of people?"

Neil S, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:58 (nine years ago) link

man is wrong. outrageous.

Upt0eleven, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 16:01 (nine years ago) link

and given the britpop shite dog latin has copped to liking i'm quite glad PJH has been spared his taste

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 16:34 (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not sure King Creosote could be described as Britpop...

― Neil S, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 16:38 (21 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah, c'mon billy. what's king creosote got to do with britpop that pj harvey hasn't?

It was a Thursday night. I was working late... (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 16:01 (nine years ago) link

I can actually see the Lex quite liking King Creosote's stuff - there's the Jon Hopkins connection, a certain Waits-ian brooding, and it's extremely well played, sung and produced. Not Britpop at all.

It was a Thursday night. I was working late... (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 16:13 (nine years ago) link

You like it tho, so he won't

Euripides Trousers (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 16:16 (nine years ago) link

man is wrong. outrageous.

― Upt0eleven, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 16:01 (52 minutes ago) Bookmark

Wouldn't care if he was any old Tweeter, but for someone who is the cultural correspondent for a supposedly serious news source to come up with this garbage is not good IMO.

Neil S, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 16:55 (nine years ago) link

neil s otm

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 17:16 (nine years ago) link

I must say I'm enjoying taking the excuse to go back through all of the old PJ Harvey albums today; I'd forgotten how great Is This Desire? is

Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:05 (nine years ago) link

http://sickmouthy.com/2011/09/07/why-i’m-pleased-let-england-shake-won-the-mercury-music-prize/

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 20:03 (nine years ago) link

Sucks.

http://wp.me/pHEvR-ad

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 20:03 (nine years ago) link

Sadly, DJP, Victory didn't do much for me either. I'll keep trying with LES but right now I think it's going to be a similar affair as Nick Cave - I should really like it, it has all the elements of stuff I usually love in music, but something's just not clicking. Oh well :-(

It was a Thursday night. I was working late... (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 20:57 (nine years ago) link

I can sympathise with dog latin here. Have been trying with it for some months, and while she's tackling those weighty themes in an interesting way, I'm just not liking the actual sonics of it very much at all.

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 21:28 (nine years ago) link

lol that Spotify link was supposed to be to the entire Dry album, not just that one song

although it does rock, it doesn't rock as much as "Sheela Na Gig" or "Joe"

Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 21:35 (nine years ago) link

PJ's last three albums haven't worked for me at all, which is frustrating because I think her first four are brilliant.

I think it's really important to be introduced to the right album of hers at the right time in your life. For me, it was Rid of Me. I've rarely been so blown away by an album in my life. I needed to hear that female anger, longing, and intensity that had been missing from my record collection.

thinveneer, Thursday, 8 September 2011 12:42 (nine years ago) link

While I haven't LOVED every album of hers immediately, I have found something worthwhile on every one. To Bring You My Love is still my favorite and the one I play the most, but I thought LES was brilliant from the get-go and, especially given the subject matter, a worthy winner.

Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Thursday, 8 September 2011 13:52 (nine years ago) link

I think that stating that her last few albums didn't do it for me at all was too strongly worded. I definitely still respect her as an artist - I just wish I could get into them like her earlier albums. Maybe more effort on my part is required.

thinveneer, Thursday, 8 September 2011 14:12 (nine years ago) link

I listened to all of her albums in chronological order yesterday (thx Spotify!), it was really interesting listening to the evolution of her sound

Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Thursday, 8 September 2011 14:14 (nine years ago) link

I think it's really important to be introduced to the right album of hers at the right time in your life. For me, it was Rid of Me. I've rarely been so blown away by an album in my life. I needed to hear that female anger, longing, and intensity that had been missing from my record collection.

― thinveneer, Thursday, 8 September 2011 13:42 (1 hour ago) Bookmark

I doubt this somehow, but might the fact I grew up around an awful lot of female angst be a barrier in my appreciation of PJ Harvey?

It was a Thursday night. I was working late... (dog latin), Thursday, 8 September 2011 14:20 (nine years ago) link

I didn't mean that Rid of Me is the right place for everyone to start. I meant that different albums might be the "ideal" place for a person to get drawn in, and it's great if you're lucky enough to start with that album.

thinveneer, Thursday, 8 September 2011 14:28 (nine years ago) link

Ugh - not making sense today. On painkillers. Forgive me.

thinveneer, Thursday, 8 September 2011 14:30 (nine years ago) link

i'm coming off cigs at the moment so my posts aren't exactly being reined in either.

It was a Thursday night. I was working late... (dog latin), Thursday, 8 September 2011 14:45 (nine years ago) link


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