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So that's going to air on March 6th? I'd like to hear it.

I've played with some of those dudes from the Truth, haven't heard their full band though.

Jordan, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

It will aire on some stations sooner than March 6th I think.

curmudgeon, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Let me know what you think of that American Routes story - I wound up getting interviews w/Tuba Phil, Benny Pete, and Lumar and Marcus from Soul Rebels. It was murder choosing little snippets of all of their songs to represent them. Later this week you should be able to stream the segment from their website.

mattsak, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 06:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I also want to to hear the below. But I'd have to make it to Seattle on April 20th at the Experience Music Project emplive.com pop conference to hear it. Some more details on each presentation are at the EMP website.

>> Resurrecting New Orleans
Venue: Level 3
Featuring:
Ned Sublette, “Rock the City With Their Congo Dances: The African Layers Of Colonial New Orleans”

Reginald Jackson, ““My eyes were not believin’, what I seen there but I could not turn away”: Siting the Voyeur in Sonny Landreth’s “Congo Square””

Alex Rawls, “The Silhouette of a Trumpet Player”

Larry Blumenfeld, “Will the Second Line Survive? Jazz and the Struggle for Survival by Social Aid & Pleasure Clubs, Mardi Gras Indian tribes, and Brass-Band Communities”

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 14:01 (seventeen years ago) link

This looks great out there also:

>> Made It Funky: New Orleans, James Brown, and the Foundations and Futures of U.S. Pop Music
This multi-media conversation between Jeff Chang, author of the award winning Can't Stop Won't Stop: A History of the Hip-Hop Generation and Total Chaos: The Art And Aesthetics of Hip-hop, and Gaye T. Johnson, faculty in the Black Studies Department at UC Santa Barbara, centers New Orleans' shaping influence on pop music's past, present, and future through a revelatory discussion of music, history, and memory in the wake of Katrina. Johnson draws upon her research project, "The Mexican Genius of Borderlands Jazz," awarded the 2006 prize for best writing on Comparative Ethnic Studies from the American Studies Association to set the ground for Chang's historical exploration of the connection between breakbeat, the clave, the blues 4/4, James Brown, and what has come to be known as the New Orleans meter. Facilitators: Michelle Habell-Pallan, Associate Professor of American Ethnic Studies and Women Studies and Music adjunct at the University of Washington. Judy Tsou, Head Music Librarian, School of Music, University of Washington. Note: A reception at 7:30 will be followed by the conversation from 8 to 9

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 14:24 (seventeen years ago) link

There are a couple more New Orleans related presentations. Here's one of them:

Katherine Doss

Before joining the Curriculum in Folklore at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Katherine Doss worked at The Ogden Museum of Southern Art in New Orleans, Louisiana.
Panel(s):
Trickster Treks and the Southern Vernacular
Saturday, April 21, 2007, 9:00 - 10:45
Abstract:

"Lord I Want To Be In That Number: The Influence of Music on the Culture of New Orleans after the Flood"
It is broadly accepted that culture shapes music and nowhere is this more apparent than in New Orleans, with its particular sound. New Orleans remains anchored in the rhythms and lyrics of that sound while serving as a muse, a protagonist, and a playground for emerging music. The city itself has been the centerpiece and shaper of music that continually develops from amalgamated traditions. With the momentary absence of an abiding community after Hurricane Katrina, the question presents itself as to what extent music can turn around and influence the culture. The answer seems to point to music as a critical element, perhaps the most pervasive, in re-forming the culture of New Orleans.
.... ....
Some musical traditions are so intricately wed to New Orleans-founded rituals that they cannot fulfill their purposes outside of the city. The brass band tradition, especially its inimitable community role in parades and processions, rises to this standard. As a New Orleans native and an ethnographer, I will explore the symbiotic relationship between culture and music in New Orleans, emphasizing my work with the Treme Brass Band and in particular its founder, Benny Jones, Sr."

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Sorry to be late with this--my Katrina documentaries roundup:

http://citypages.com/databank/28/1367/article15139.asp

Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 1 March 2007 03:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, from the New York Times:

February 23, 2007

In New Orleans, Progress at Last in the Lower Ninth Ward

By ADAM NOSSITER

NEW ORLEANS, Feb. 22 — The first new houses built in the Lower Ninth Ward since Hurricane Katrina were turned over to their owners on Thursday, creating a small island of hope in a sea of ruin.

Side by side, sparkling and bright on Delery Street at the neighborhood’s eastern edge, the two houses unveiled at a ceremony on Thursday stand out in a landscape grimly frozen since the storm. The twin pastel variants on traditional New Orleans architecture sit incongruously whole amid block after block of ruined shells with doors swinging open and windows gaping wide.

Empty during the day and dark at night, this area is a long way from being a neighborhood again, even though it has been the focus of intensive volunteer efforts and organizing since the storm. The destruction of the Lower Ninth Ward, which was working-class and black before the hurricane, and its subsequent failure to begin recovering, have become symbols for what some see as inequities in this city’s halting revival.

That symbolism was much in evidence at the ceremony, a gathering of the homeowners and the varied volunteer forces that built the $125,000 solid pine houses, which officials said are elevated five feet and designed to resist hurricane-force winds. It was an occasion to look past the catastrophe that sent a wall of water rushing into the Lower Ninth Ward 18 months ago, at least for the moment. If the levees fail again and a similar volume of water comes through, the new houses will take only two feet of water, the contractor said.

There were promises on Thursday to bring the neighborhood back, particularly from Acorn, the nonprofit neighborhood group that organized the construction and helped finance the two houses. There was cheering, there were plaques for the volunteers, and there were speeches by politicians and preachers.

And there were the two sturdy women who had been next-door neighbors for 25 years until Hurricane Katrina blew their houses away, the owners Gwendolyn Guice and Josephine Butler, who received the keys to the new houses on Thursday.

Acorn and the volunteers built the houses on the same spot as the women’s original ones, and both women seemed overcome at being back.

“I’m all over hoops,” Ms. Guice said, switching between tears and smiles as she happily showed off her trim little green house, a subtle modification of the classic New Orleans front-to-back-hall style.

Looking out the back at a nearby school building with a collapsed roof and a muddy vacant lot where there was once a house, Ms. Guice was adamant that Thursday represented a hopeful beginning on a street that once sheltered many solid homeowners.

“A lot of people are just sitting back, waiting and seeing,” Ms. Guice said.

Her re-installment and Ms. Butler’s, she insisted, would help draw people back. And given the privations of her long exile, much of it spent in Houston, she would not be fazed by living in the ward’s darkness and isolation, she suggested.

She showed no regrets about the fate of her old house.

“I never did find the den,” Ms. Guice said. “It just shoved straight off. It might be floating in the gulf.”

Still, the complications of the demonstration project on Delery Street raise questions about its usefulness as a prototype. The two houses were financed by Acorn and a California bank, and the two women are planning to repay their loans using their insurance proceeds and money they hope will be forthcoming from Louisiana’s Road Home housing aid program. Louisiana State University’s School of Architecture helped design the houses, students from the school helped build them, young people from Covenant House did odd jobs, a church provided landscaping, and even the novelist Richard Ford, who recently moved back to the city, pitched in.

How often this process could be replicated is unclear, though Acorn has money for more loans. Some believe that a neighborhood as destitute as this one cannot come back without large-scale intervention.

“I think we have a problem of quantity, and anything that can’t be delivered in quantity is not a suitable prototype, regardless of the fantastic intentions,” said Andrés Duany, the Miami architect and planner who has played a leading role in this city’s efforts at rebuilding. “The verification is not aesthetics, not the degree of good will; it’s quantity.”

But under Thursday’s bright sun, the focus was not on the hurdles.

“If you try not to focus on how bad everything is, you can focus on what is good,” Allan Jones, an electrician who worked on the two houses, said as he surveyed the bleak landscape. “There is potential.”

Mr. Ford spoke at the ceremony of the “valiant and hopeful house-raising,” and those words captured the spirit of an enterprise that seemed as much a challenge to the future as a foundation for something new.

When Ms. Butler moved to the area nearly 60 years ago, it was still a semi-wilderness, recalled Tanya Harris, her granddaughter and an Acorn official.

“This was a shot in the dark,” Ms. Harris said. “This was a leap of faith.”

Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 1 March 2007 03:42 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/23/us/23ninth.html

Oh, and I taped the American Experience doc but haven't watched it yet.

Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 1 March 2007 03:44 (seventeen years ago) link

President Bush is in New Orleans today. I doubt he will hear any brass bands (but who knows).

curmudgeon, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

http://images.washtimes.com/photos/full/20060829-111652-6087.jpg

Jordan, Thursday, 1 March 2007 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

pj, Thursday, 1 March 2007 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I gotta find time to track down and listen to that American Routes episode online...

curmudgeon, Saturday, 3 March 2007 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

American Routes Archives

Listened last night to the 19 minutes or so brass band segment on the 2-28 to 3-6 episode. There's also an 11 minute or so segment on the Pine Leaf Boys. I also started a separate thread called "Cajun and Zydeco Music is not just for old people"

curmudgeon, Thursday, 8 March 2007 16:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey Jordan how can i get a copy of that mix you've passed around?

deej, Thursday, 8 March 2007 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Deej e-mail me, jordan1 at gmail

Jordan, Thursday, 8 March 2007 16:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Any of you New Orleans folk-my band (The Mighty Sound of Maryland) was recently in New Orleans, helping out building Musician's Village and playing in some parades and such. Did anyone see them? The band is trying to collect quotes and such about the project and if anyone wanted to email me that'd be awesome.

On a non-self aggrandizing note,
Is there a brass band tradition in Chicago? The last time I was there I saw a great brass band playing on the street and I heard tales of numerous others. Anyone have suggestions on how to track down some Chicago brass music?

catblender, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

There's a band called Hypnotic who are cool but not really New Orleans-influenced at all, they're probably who you saw on the street. I don't think they improvise.

My band plays at the Green M1ll a few times year.

Jordan, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, it was Hypnotic. I'm actually going to be in Chicago from March 20th-25th or so, will you guys be in town?

catblender, Thursday, 8 March 2007 18:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Unfortunately not, we just played there a few weeks ago so the next time may not be until Fall.

Jordan, Thursday, 8 March 2007 18:38 (seventeen years ago) link

That American Routes piece was pretty good, esp. the parts where Benny Pete is talking about the backline (poignant) and where the Rebels dudes are going on about the band kids being the most popular ones in school (lol). Nice track selection.

Jordan, Friday, 9 March 2007 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

"Atlanta based writer David Fulmer authored three acclaimed historical mysteries involving the Creole of Color detective Valentin St. Cyr set in New Orleans at the beginning of the 20th Century, and among the characters were such legendary jazz pioneers as Buddy Bolden and
Jelly Roll Morton. Fulmer’s writing was atmospheric as well as thrilling as he skillfully weaved together the actual mystery against a background of Storyville and its musicians, madams,
streetwalkers and associated characters." http://inabluemood.blogspot.com/index.html

Has anybody read these books that I saw highlight ed on this blues blog?

curmudgeon, Thursday, 22 March 2007 04:10 (seventeen years ago) link

More reading--

I had donated money to the New Orleans Musicians' Clinic (NOMC) and their latest newsletter has Armand Sheik Richardson, a trumpet player with the Gentille Brass Band and a photographer telling about all the red ink and struggles he went through to have eye surgery to restore his vision (cataracts) after Katrina. He's also a participant in the Arabi Wrecking Krewe who help New Orleans musicians patch their roofs and fix up their homes.

The newsletter also reports that the majority of older musicians who used to go to the NOMC before Katrina have not returned to New orleans after Katrina.

New OrleansMusiciansClinic.org


"For 2007, we are once again expanding and refocusing our mission to sustain our beloved New Orleans musicians. In response to the death of Dinerral Shavers, we are quickly moving to establish our Musicians Mentorship Initiative, a program designed to allow musicians to serve as mentors in the public schools. Dinerral was one of the first jazz musicians slated to work in the program and he was dedicated to rebuild and revitalize New Orleans by passing our culture to young people. The NOMC has set up a Fund to help sustain his family and his band during this very sad time. "

curmudgeon, Thursday, 22 March 2007 04:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Alvin- Curran-"Oh Brass On The Grass Alas" (2006), for 300-500 brass band musicians. Duration 40 min. First performance Donaueschingen festival, October 2006.

It's not New Orleans style, but apparently avante musician/composer Alvin Curran is doing his piece for 300 plus brass musicians again. I saw a reference to a NY Times article, but the article is accessible only to NY Times Select (paid subscribers) members.

That's a big band. Seems almost like a Flaming Lips style experiment.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 29 March 2007 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Will this planned National Jazz Center and park in NO actually be built

curmudgeon, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Rising permit fees for second-lines

Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link

jordan your mix is awesome btw

deej, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Seems almost like a Flaming Lips style experiment.

An insult to Alvin Curran.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link

test

Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link

In another apparent inequity in the fee schedule, the department charged two vastly different fees to police two high-profile jazz funerals, those of Hot 8 Brass Band drummer Dinerral Shavers and filmmaker Helen Hill, whose murders in part launched January's march against crime on City Hall. The NOPD charged $3,610 for Shavers' Jan. 6 funeral march but just $1,175 for Hill's Feb. 24 jazz funeral.

Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link

(apparently I can't use tags now, whatever)

Thx Deej, glad you're feelin it.

Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I read an article elsewhere on that fees for parade issue (maybe in Offbeat). Ridiculous how the New Orleans government (and the Police Department especially) keeps doing things that hurt their own residents. But I guess it's no big shock that the New Orleans Police are not doing things logically. Despite the media attention it will take the ACLU winning in court for things to change. I guess Katrina did not end up bringing any positive personnel changes to the NOPD.


RS:

I wan't trying to insult Curran, I was just giving a more pop-culture type comparison that I guess may not have been necessary (or just showed my lack of familiarity with Curran or such types of musical experiments).

curmudgeon, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

wan't trying to insult Curran

It's okay, I wasn't being that serious. I just don't like the Flaming Lips (on admitedly limited exposure), but I'm sure Alvin Curran has been doing his thing longer than they have. I vaguely remember him having some sort of river boat fog horn type thing at the New Music America festival in 1987, for instance. (Actually I'm not much more familiar with Alvin Curran than with the Flaming Lips.)

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 29 March 2007 23:49 (seventeen years ago) link

i know it's not really brass band stuff, but i've been listening to (NOLA funk/soul drummer) Smokey Johnson's It Aint My Fault a lot lately, particularly the track "Did You Heard What I Saw" which is one of the best party songs i've ever heard.

Fetchboy, Friday, 30 March 2007 00:10 (seventeen years ago) link

i guess what i meant to say is does anyone have any recommendations for other good nola songs with good jive talkin and unrelenting beats in them? i'm sure there are plenty of brass band songs that do as much.

Fetchboy, Friday, 30 March 2007 00:12 (seventeen years ago) link

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curmudgeon, Sunday, 8 April 2007 04:09 (seventeen years ago) link

http://homeofthegroove.blogspot.com/

curmudgeon, Sunday, 8 April 2007 04:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Kermit Ruffins is gonna get married onstage at the French Quarter Fest next weekend.

curmudgeon, Monday, 9 April 2007 06:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh shit, Hot 8 is playing in Chicago today through Sunday, apparently.

Jordan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess you'll be seeing them Jul 15 2007 3:00P at La Fete de Marquette Madison. They just keep on keepin' on. They haven't been in DC since they played the Smithsonian Folklife Fest last summer or was it the summer before...

I'm not heading down to New Orleans for the FQ Fest or Jazzfest or the Ponderosa Stomp this year. Wait till next year I guess.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 12 April 2007 13:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Wouldn't miss it. I think we're playing that show too.

I'll be down May 4th - 7th.

Jordan, Thursday, 12 April 2007 16:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Any recommendations on which Jazzfest weekend is best this year? At quick first glance, first looks to edge out second by a hair...

Colin, Thursday, 12 April 2007 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link

First weekend has Rebirth, New Birth, Hot 8, Leroy Jones, & Ludacris, second weekend has Stooges, TBC (guess they get a stage instead of playing down the street?), Soul Rebels, and Harry Connick. I guess first weekend looks better, I'm going second anyway. I'm sure there will be some hot shit not at the grounds.

Jordan, Thursday, 12 April 2007 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/artsentertainment/2003674612_popcon1.html?syndication=rss Paul de Barros from the Seattle Times re: a New Orleans panel at the EMP Pop Conference

This afternoon's "Resurrecting New Orleans" panel could not be accused, like other moments in the conference, of lacking passion. Ned Sublette, Larry Blumenfeld, Alex Rawls and Don McLeese sounded united in their anger and outrage, yet also in their belief and hope -- to borrow their own words -- about post-Katrina music in the Crescent City. Sublette took us through a ghastly litany of offenses in slavery days and Rawls, a local, noted, with some sadness, that "people are slowly coming around to the realization that the city will never be the way it was."

Though uninspiring as a speaker, McLeese offered the best talk, an inventory (with welcome musical examples) of tracks made after the hurricane by Allen Toussaint, Irma Thomas (well, almost after), Chris Thomas King, Donald Harrison and the Dirty Dozen Brass Band, with penetrating comments appended to each.

Blumenfeld gave an update on the lawsuit against the city brought by the Social Aid and Pleasure Clubs -- the groups that organize the "second line" neighborhood parades that are the soul of New Orleans music -- because of last year's near-tripling of parade fees. (What can the city be thinking?) On a more hopeful note, he quoted New Orleans clarinetist Michael White, who told Blumenfeld, "This is all going to continue."

curmudgeon, Sunday, 22 April 2007 21:09 (seventeen years ago) link

"Do you know what it Means to Miss New Orleans..." I'm not there. Colin, Jordan, and American Routes folks can you post something about Jazzfest sometime (or when you get back). This first weekend includes:

Irma Thomas, Ludacris, Jerry Lee Lewis,Rebirth Brass Band, Percy Sledge, Kermit Ruffins, Troy "Trombone Shorty" Andrews, Terence Blanchard, George Porter, Jr., Marva Wright, Zachary Richard avec Francis Cabrel, Bobby Charles, Irvin Mayfield, Lucky Peterson, Eddie Bo, Henry Butler, Kirk Joseph's Backyard Groove, Geno Delafose, Pine Leaf Boys, Astral Project, Bob French & the Original Tuxedo Jazz Band, , Charmaine Neville Band, Steve Riley, Ray Abshire, Burnside Exploration, Mem Shannon, New Orleans Klezmer Allstars, C.J. Chenier, and as mentioned above New Birth and Hot 8...

The Ponderosa Stomp coming up in a few days has its usual spectacular bill...

curmudgeon, Thursday, 26 April 2007 04:00 (seventeen years ago) link

[url][Removed Illegal Link] Not Wash Away
The fight for New Orleans' culture continues, one parade at a time
by Larry Blumenfeld
April 24th, 2007 Village Voice

an excerpt regarding today's court case involving the ACLU vs. the city of New Orleans regarding parade security fees:

[i]Just three days before members of the Nine Times Social Aid & Pleasure Club dance their way through the Jazz & Heritage Festival Fair Grounds—second-lining with the Mahogany Brass Band—they'll be represented in federal court, fighting to protect the century-old tradition from threats to its future.

On April 25, a federal judge will hear arguments on behalf of a consortium of Social Aid & Pleasure clubs, aided by the ACLU, in a lawsuit protesting the city's hiking of police security fees—in some cases, triple or more from pre-Katrina rates—for second-line parades, the regular Sunday events, held September through May, at which members snake through neighborhoods, dancing to brass bands. The suit invokes the First Amendment right to freedom of speech and expression, claiming that parade permit schemes "effectively tax" such expression. "Should the law not be enjoined," reads the complaint filed in Social Aid & Pleasure Club Task Force v. City of New Orleans, "there is very little doubt that plaintiff's cultural tradition will cease to exist."

"It's a solid, core ACLU issue," says staff attorney Katie Schwartzmann. "We handle freedom of speech cases all the time. But this one is different in that the speech at issue signifies this city and an entire cultural tradition. At some point, I mean, the power to tax is the power to eliminate, right? At some point, if the government can put enough fees and enough obstacles in the way of somebody exercising their First Amendment right, then they're ultimately going to eliminate it."

Second-line parades derive from funeral rituals, transforming mourners into celebrants; the term "second-line" refers not just to up-tempo rhythms signifying spiritual rebirth, but also to the tight-knit communities who follow the musicians, dancing and clapping along. Yet now the very tradition itself appears endangered. For all the ink spilled about post-Katrina New Orleans, surprisingly little has been written about the cultural costs of this ongoing tragedy—what it means for centuries-old rituals and for jazz tradition in general, and what it says about how Americans value our homegrown arts, if we value them at all.

Erosion of our coastal wetlands may have paved the way for the natural disaster that hammered this city. But the least- mentioned aspect of the resulting devastation—the erosion of what ethnographer Michael P. Smith once called "America's cultural wetlands"—is of tantamount concern. The resilient African-American cultural traditions of New Orleans, famously seminal to everything from jazz to rock to funk to Southern rap, also contain seeds of protest and solidarity that guard against storm surges of a man-made variety. Erasure of these wetlands exposes many to the types of ill winds that shatter souls.

The brass band–led second-line tradition is particularly and somewhat curiously caught in the crosshairs of violence and controversy now fixed on New Orleans. The wave of homicides that swept through New Orleans in late December and early January claimed among its victims Dinerral Shavers, the 25-year-old snare drummer of the Hot 8 Brass Band and a teacher who had established Rabouin High School's first-ever marching band. Hundreds gathered at the gate to Louis Armstrong Park earlier this year for an all-star second-line, yet not a note was played nor a step danced for two miles. The silence—unthinkable throughout the hundred-plus- year history of this raucous tradition—was a carefully thought-through statement. It addressed the violence afflicting the city, the desperately slow process of post-Katrina recovery, and the enabling power of jazz culture for disenfranchised (in many cases, still displaced) communities. Two miles into that procession, not far from where M.L. King Boulevard meets South Liberty Street—the statement having been made—the men of the Nine Times club (in lime-green suits and royal-blue fedoras) and the Prince of Wales club (in red suits and mustard-colored hats and gloves) started jumping and sliding to the irrepressible sounds of the Hot 8 and Rebirth Brass Bands. Such scenes underscore what's now at stake, both in and out of court.[i]

curmudgeon, Thursday, 26 April 2007 04:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Jazzfest starts today. I wonder how the federal court hearing on parade fees went yesterday?

curmudgeon, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually I think Jazzfest starts Friday.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Hundreds gathered at the gate to Louis Armstrong Park earlier this year for an all-star second-line, yet not a note was played nor a step danced for two miles.

Wow, I didn't hear about that.

Jordan, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Nor had I. A pretty stunning statement.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:19 (seventeen years ago) link


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