Thread for coordinating the order and timing of ILM ballot polls

Is the Classic Rock Canon happening? Because that will need clarification. Do ringers like The Beatles count? IMHO, if they had or are scheduled to have their own poll, they shouldn't be eligible. Ideally this poll is for Boston, Foghat etc

I would disagree with DQing any artists/songs in advance from the nominations list. I kinda trust the voters to recognize the adrenaline rush of hearing, say, Thunderclap Newman for the first time in five years and placing it above "I Can See For Miles" or something else that might have worn a little thin with overfamiliarity. Besides, I think some dude is going to work from a fixed list of songs based on radio play, and I imagine only the Stones would be overrepresented in that list...

so much naivete in this post, but ehhh it's christmas

Lotta discussion of that upthread - I believe the idea is to base it on one or several big Labor Day countdowns from stations in the genre. Keeps the focus on the limited body of this 'canon' of songs.

to be clear i never agreed to the idea of sticking exclusively to one or a few radio stations top 500 countdowns' for nominees for the Classic Rock poll -- if people send me some of those and the thing seems well stocked i might consider it, but i'm probably gonna start with that kind of base and then open things up for additional nominations.

i don't see the point in barring big bands like The Beatles -- if anything it'll be interesting to see their handful of Abbey Road/White Album-era classic rock radio staples battle it out with less canonized acts.

Well, then it's just going to turn into favorite song, and God Only Knows will win.

Let me reword that: opening it up to everything will make it all beatles, beach boys, zeppelin, etc. and God Only Knows by the Beach Boys will most likely win.

i never hear Beach Boys on any of the classic rock stations i've ever listened to, they're "oldies" territory now, so they prob won't even be in the poll.

there MAY be some kind of statute of limitations of, like, no more than the 5 or 10 most played songs by any one act, if that seems to make sense. but i think most people voting will just naturally not want to fill their ballots with A-listers and will put in just token one or two favorites anyway, which will lead to votesplitting for Zep while all the Foghat votes go to "Slow Ride."

Classic-rock station here doesn't play much Beach Boys, but I think you'll hear "Good Vibrations," "Sail On Sailor," and "Do It Again" occasionally.

yeah "Good Vibrations" is prob AOR enough to get a nom. definitely not "God Only Knows" though.

Hand to Bob, I don't think of Beatles/Stones/Zep and the big names when I think of classic rock. I think of "Slow Ride" and "Go All the Way" and "Aimee" and "Green Onions" and all the songs that make me say "oh damn, haven't heard that one in forever."

"Junior's Farm" will make my ballot, but probably not a Beatles song.

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this may be the poll that finally puts Wings on equal footing with The Beatles

Like A Rolling Stone is 1,000,000 times better than Slow Ride and Radar Love, but not in an FM radio poll.

I got "never been any reason" by head east at 8:1 for a top twenty finish

Head East is a guaranteed top 5 for me.

I'll see how this Classic Rock thing goes but I might be thinking about a Blue Oyster Cult poll down the road

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOSalcHVXnU

so this is happening after the end of the year polls?

BeeOK, I'll resume list maintenance on 1/1 if you want me to. (With a new thread, since we're right at 3000 posts.) Thanks for the break.

Late pass on this, but i'm totally with the people who want an inclusionary classic rock poll. I trust voters to adhere to stick to the spirit of the poll, and not just turn it into "Favorite Popular Songs 1965-1987."

I agree some dude about seeing a poll where "Stairway to Heaven," "All Right Now," "Come Together," "American Girl," and "Carry On Wayward Son" are all competing for votes

agree *with* some dude

I feel like the classic rock poll is gonna be all time ILM

Grrrrr

Once again I'm outvoted. First y'all gang up and cyberbully me about including Eno in the Roxy poll. Now you heathens want to keep the classic rock poll "open" and "inclusionary. Scott Muni is rolling in his grave.

Just remember what the Louvin brothers said: That word "broadminded" is spelled S-I-N

haha what you mean like Eno solo albums in the Roxy poll? that's ridiculous

ime you should ignore the ILX hivemind's requests and just run the poll the way you want

Yes. Eno solo records in the Roxy poll. They're opening it up to Bryan Ferry, so why not? If it was good enough for Lou Reed, John Cale and Nico in the VU poll, it should be good enough for Eno. It is a DYNAMITE idea and I should be congratulated. Instead, all I get is scorn.

ime you should ignore the ILX hivemind's requests and just run the poll the way you want

Yes! By the way, I'm running the Elvis Costello poll under Vienna rules, in which the poll runner's #1 gets a 10,000 point bonus.

I thought Ferry was running as a separate side poll. Is it all just dropped into the same ballot? This is madness. Completely invalidates the proven-by-science nature of these polls.

Not convinced this actually worked for VU, hate it for Roxy, hate it even more for Genesis, and will vote in all of these anyway.

I'm okay with Stairway and Freebird in the classic rock poll since those always finished 1-2 in the annual classic rock radio countdowns.

it worked out okay for VU, I thought, altho I would have preferred my original solo-careers-only poll

Voting for them all together and separating out the results turned out to be pretty brilliant.

Oops, sorry some dude, didn't mean to put words in your mouth!

Voting for them all together and separating out the results turned out to be pretty brilliant.

― millions now living will never kick out the jams (WilliamC),

Agree.

Bee OK, I'll resume list maintenance on 1/1 if you want me to. (With a new thread, since we're right at 3000 posts.) Thanks for the break.

yes, as you really need to be a mod to run this thread properly. you're welcome.

And they pulled him out of the polled polled ground: Elvis Costello Poll Results

my last update:

A. Pavement - Johnny Fever (finished)
B. Manic Street Preachers - Jamie_ATP (finished)
C. Blur - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)
1. Pet Shop Boys - Billy Dods (finished)
2. Beatles - Mark G (finished)
3. Prince - Jamie_ATP (finished)
4. U2 - Ismael Klata (finished)
5. Beach Boys - iatee (finished)
6. Led Zeppelin - WmC (finished)
7. Timbaland - some dude (finished)
8. Guided By Voices - Johnny Fever (finished)
9. Stevie Wonder - Eric H. (finished)
10. “Producers” - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
11. Pulp - Finefinemusic (finished)
12. James Brown - strongo/Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
13. Jacksons - Jamie_ATP (finished)
14. David Bowie - WmC (finished)
15. Paul Simon - Lamp (finished)
16. Rolling Stones - rogermexico (finished)
17. The Kinks - C. Grisso/McCain (finished)
18. Depeche Mode - crüt (finished)
19. Beastie Boys - Johnny Fever (finished)
20. ABBA - donna rouge (finished)
20B. Bee Gees - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
21. Neil Young - clemenza (finished)
22. Fleetwood Mac - Clarke B. (finished)
23. The Cure - nate woolls (finished)
24. Kate Bush - Ismael Klata (finished)
25. The Who - Tarfumes the Escape Goat (finished)
26. Joni Mitchell - Mordy (finished)
27. The Neptunes - V79/some dude (finished)
28. Saint Etienne - Billy Dods (finished)
29. Hüsker Dü - Pleasant Plains (finished)
30. Bruce Springsteen - Jamie_ATP (finished)
31. Madonna - Johnny Fever (finished)
32. Miles Davis - WmC (finished)
33. The Fall - Mark G (finished)
34. PJ Harvey - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)
35. Cocteau Twins - Le Bateau Ivre/LeRooLeRoo (finished)
36. Sonic Youth - ArchCarrier (finished)
37. New Order - Bee OK (finished)
37B. The Doors - Ismael Klata (finished)
38. The Clash - Gukbe (finished)
39. Motown Singles - a hoy hoy (finished)
40. Jay-Z - some dude (finished)
41. Elton John - Johnny Fever (finished)
42. Stax - seandalai (finished)
43. Disco - Tuomas (finished)
44. R. Kelly - Spottie_Ottie_Dope (finished)
45. Tom Waits - chap (finished)
45B. Velvet Underground and Solo Careers (finished)
46. The “Classic Rock” Canon - some dude
47. Elvis Costello - kornrulez And they pulled him out of the polled polled ground: Elvis Costello Poll Results
48. Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry - charlie h
49. Pink Floyd - Elvis Telecom
50. Steely Dan - Bee OK
51. Bob Dylan - tipsy mothra
52. Sleater-Kinney + offshoots - C.Grisso/McCain
53. Outkast - The Reverend
54. Autechre - Leee
55. Brian Eno - WmC
56. Chic Organization - Donna Rouge
57. Spaceman 3 (& descendants) - Elvis Telecom
58. Radiohead - nate woolls
59. Yo La Tengo/Dump - clemenza
60. P-Funk - Shakey Mo Collier
61. Stooges/Iggy Pop - flopson
62. The Boo Radleys - Bee OK
63. XTC - Shakey Mo Collier
64. Italo - daavid
65. Emo/Screamo/Mallcore/(post)Hardcore - Mordy
66. Creedence Clearwater Revival - crüt
67. “Epics” (non-classical division) - Leee
68. Hard Rock/Hair Metal - how’s life
69. Extreme Metal - Viceroy
70. Stephin Merritt - Gukbe
71. Pixies - Johnny Fever
72. Metallica - Pleasant Plains
73. Spoon - Bee OK
74. Nirvana - Gavin, Leeds
75. Fairport Convention et al (R Thompson, S Denny) - Billy Dods
76. Queen - charlie h
77. Dinosaur Jr. - Z S
78. Tom Petty - rogermexico
79. Ramones - tipsy mothra
80. Jimi Hendrix - WmC
81. Sightings - Raymond Cummings
82. John Coltrane - Tarfumes the Escape Goat
83. Stereolab - Moka
84. Bauhaus/Tones on Tail-Love and Rockets/Peter Murphy - Bee OK
85. Genesis + solo - NickB
86. The Smiths - nate woolls
87. Pearl Jam - VegemiteGrrl
88. The Burt Bacharach songbook - WilliamC
89. Dead C - Raymond Cummings
90. Royal Trux + side projects - Drugs A. Money
91. John Fahey - Naive Teen Idol?
92. Rush - Matt #2
93. Oasis - darraghmac
94. George Michael - Ismael Klata
95. Talking Heads - Bee OK
96. Gamble & Huff/Philly International Records - jetfan
97. Stiff Records - Johnny Fever
98. Billy Joel - Doctor Casino
99. Low - aldo
100. Nine Inch Nails - chap
101. REM - rogermexico.
102. Bjork - Eric H.
103. Wu-Tang Clan - ― Spottie
104. Shoegaze/Dream Pop/Post-rock (Albums and EPs)

- Bee OK

I'm gonna keep my place in line for Stiff Records, but I may change the topic at some point. Not sure it would be much of a draw after Stax only got 20-something ballots.

omg only roxy music then PINK FLOYD WILL RULE THEM ALL

:D

well and EOY polls too but w/e

:D
:D

In terms of stuff I listen to and can put together respectable ballots for, the first five out the gate are booming.

And bravo to Bee OK!

Man oh man still searching for some vestige of the top 2000 my local classic rock station did at the end of 1999. Not looking good yet tho

so this is happening after the end of the year polls?

― g simmel, Monday, December 23, 2013 9:51 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah...Classic Rock definitely won't get rolling until after the year-end poll is done in January, unless i decide to run a nominations/discussion thread for a bit before the official voting thread. didn't wanna overlap with that or the disco poll (plus I just ran two polls over the summer, so i'm not in a rush). don't care if the Roxy Music poll cuts in line ahead of me -- I feel like the big genre-spanning polls need longer windows for voting and everything else so it'll be a slow process.

I'll do a Byrds and offshoots poll which includes Gene Clark, Gram Parsons, David Crosby, Roger McGuinn and the rest

Actually, I'd like to do a "Covers" poll. All cover versions of previously recorded songs. That could be fun.

I'm gonna keep my place in line for Stiff Records, but I may change the topic at some point. Not sure it would be much of a draw after Stax only got 20-something ballots.

― Johnny Fever, Friday, December 27, 2013 5:55 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

More like 10 :(

don't care if the Roxy Music poll cuts in line ahead of me

great idea. also i didn't want to mess with the numbers, as we have 'B' whenever necessary. Velvet Underground (plus) was the only thing that got moved under my watch.

and yes ILM Classic Rock Poll is going to be massive.

thanks Doctor Casino!

OK, PF poll on the tarmac and ready to roll...

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Giving up Classic Rock may prove my greatest regret as an ilxor, I have great feelings about that poll. But SD will def do a better job (my track record on these things is pretty iffy). Hopefully I can get it together by the time of the grand Billy Joel Poel.

i will sit at the bar and put bread in yr jar iirc

i heard that damn song at the grocery store today and it made me want to yell at someone. looking forward to classic rock memory lane poll tbrr. can't wait to see how high "burnin for you" places. Time to play ~b-sides~.