Lou Reed/Metallica Collabo Anticipation Thread

lots of anti-lulu sentiment in those scott o))) threads

anyway i listened to lulu last night and it's still great. all those eerie moments when metallica scale back in "frustration"

the riff of "dragon"

c'mon james

my dead father has the motor
and he's driving towards an island of lost souls

"Cheat On Me" come up on iPod the other day, still awesome.

psychic savagery

psychic savagery

― ciderpress, Wednesday, July 2, 2014 11:28 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lots of anti-lulu sentiment in those scott o))) threads

possibly because it contains line like “I swallow your sharpest cutter like a coloured man’s dick.”

that position i get, feel like everyone else's gripe is that this isn't their preferred version of old guy yelling over primal metal riffs and avant garde passages

which i also get

honestly in my memory it was basically something the internet was prepared to LOL about and became a meme and a lot of ppl never even really heard it or engaged w/it

yeah. i'd go so far as to say that way more people heard just the preview snippet of "The View" than ever heard the full song, much less the full album.

i try to not begrudge ppl not engaging with it bc on many levels it's very repellent, as alternately pretty and exquisitely grotesque i find it. but imo the distaste for it is often overstated. it's an avant garde record, it's probably kirk hammett's finest moment as a guitarist, it's probably the only time lars' drumming has made any sense to me (he's the other lead singer on this record), and the lyrics (when they're not inexcusable, for instance the line dan isolates) are packed with gorgeous phrasing

psychic savagery

i keep saying "avant garde" which is unnecessarily reductive bc this also works as a really expansive sequel to ecstasy, so it's functionally a lou reed record with some great metallica riffs

ha was just going to say that the lyrics on lulu are pretty of a piece w/ parts of ecstasy and the raven... i don't know, i almost think it's too bad lou didn't make a couple more records in that timespan. i increasingly feel as if he was really onto something.

haha yeah people are like "LULU is so nuts" and i'm not even sure it's the most bonkers record he released in the 2000s! (aka Raven)

Yeah Lulu certainly wasn't such a bolt from out of the blue if you had even been sort of following Lou in last 15 yrs...that was one of the best things about Lulu, is it forced people in the mainstream who either didn't know shit about Lou or only knew "Perfect Day" / "Walk on the Wild Side" to contend with him now and all of his wonderful weirdness.

But Tyler's dead on about Lulu being a piece with Ecstasy for sure..."Like a Possum" for inst

Also, Lulu threads bringing out all the Lulu stans

yeah I guess I've always felt "Walk on the Wild Side" was treading close to a line of (perhaps unintended) hostility that I didn't want to deal with so hearing from people who have been doing deep Lou dives that shit like "I swallow your sharpest cutter like a coloured man’s dick," is not only par for the course but part of the appeal, well I think everyone can see where I'm going here

so hearing from people who have been doing deep Lou dives that shit like "I swallow your sharpest cutter like a coloured man’s dick," is not only par for the course but part of the appeal, well I think everyone can see where I'm going here

i guess i wouldn't really say that at all, if you mean racial stuff?

i mean him just generally being insane

or not insane, i dunno, who knows i guess in some ways it was all very deliberate too

i should say not in the 2000s, he was way more problematic in the 70s

They're linked together though; it's castable as "insane" and "provocative" now because of the times we live in and the presumption that Lou Reed doesn't live in a vaguely racist bubble (which, as someone who hasn't ever followed him closely, I have no idea if he does or not; I've only made judgments based on the work I've encountered, some of which is hilarious but some of which has this undercurrent of "I should probably not scratch the surface of this too deeply if I don't want to ruin my day")

That being said, my own ignorance is acting against me here so I'll shut up; I more wanted to point out that some of the things that were called out about this album put it pretty firmly in the "do not engage" category for what are I hope obvious and understandable reasons.

"I swallow your sharpest cutter like a coloured man’s dick,"

do do-do do-do do-do-do-do do do-do

http://www.smalltowngirl.com.au/

Seems like he's just being Lou, jazz fan and author of "I Wanna Be Black," a 60s rocker/hipster send-up; also, you know, provocative (but not nec. ironic, not here): "In other words, I swallow your aharpest cutter avidly, Jim."

i want to give them a lot of money

not really, but that's inspired naming imo

i'd pay a good amount for this one.

http://www.smalltowngirl.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/7-transformer-7-of--450x450.jpg

"And after Lou's death, David Bowie made a big point of saying to me, 'Listen, this is Lou’s greatest work; this is his masterpiece. Just wait, it will be like Berlin. It will take everyone a while to catch up.'

http://classicrock.teamrock.com/news/2015-04-20/david-bowie-hailed-lou-reed-metallica-lulu-album-as-genius

That's probably hyperbole, but all the same I continue to revisit and enjoy this album (even if it is really a bit too long). Love the production, Lou's delivery and Metallica's playing. Cool lyrics too, almost got into a fight with a friend recently because he kept mocking the "table" line lol.

haven't listened to the album since it came out, but this thread seriously belongs in a museum -- so much gold in here.

If I had been the newspaper boy delivering bad news to Don McLean's doorstep about Buddy Holly, and he asked me, "Will anything good ever come out of this tragic event?" - I would've said yes and handed him a vinyl copy of LULU.

I've been listening to this record a lot recently. Usually only about half of it at any given go, but I skip different tracks each time, and I never skip the last two tracks. 'Dragon' is just as great as 'Junior Dad'.

listening listening to this right now, sounding so good

in a coffin SOOOOOUL SHAKIN.....SOOOOOOUL SHAKIN

more and more it's so great that this crazy record was Lou's final statement.
kind of surprised there haven't been more archival things released though -- I guess the VU reissue train keeps a rollin, but wouldn't mind if there were some expanded reissues. You know, The Complete Lulu Sessions (12 discs at least).

like a COMMMON STATE WORK-AH

more and more it's so great that this crazy record was Lou's final statement.
kind of surprised there haven't been more archival things released though -- I guess the VU reissue train keeps a rollin, but wouldn't mind if there were some expanded reissues. You know, The Complete Lulu Sessions (12 discs at least).

― tylerw, Wednesday, May 6, 2015 9:20 AM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah I actually think about this a lot, like compared to most iconic people, I love that guy who had a super sprawling illogical career went out with maybe his (2nd most) divisive album (though Metal Machine Music is kind of canonized in a way)...it's absolutely relentless and insane, really fucked in parts, really great in parts

so much better than some kind of "return to form" respectable record like the last Bowie record or some kind of horrible "guest stars" Santana bit...

Lou Reed's final record is one of the most visceral and alive records I've ever heard.

Warren Zeavon has The Wind.

all otm!

I think it's the liner notes to New York where Lou suggests you take in the album in one focused sitting and then it's kind of like a movie. Really applies to LULU too for me, remember when I got it on vinyl I had a couple of good nights with friends where we'd listen to it all the way through while drinking a case of beer - Junior Dad is such a fantastic emotional payoff when you've been through all the frustration and desire up till then.

I think the way this album depicts sex, perversion, numbness, frustration is real interesting - and Junior Dad is just so touching, I think it made me realize some stuff abt my relation to my dad.

[q]GQ: There's been some talk about how the song "Junior Dad" brought Kirk and James to tears. What do you remember about that moment?

Lou Reed: Not just them...

Lars Ulrich: All of us. My dad was down there during the moment that you're talking about, and it was shared by everybody.[q]

Love that anecdote

What I mostly do now is listen to Brandenburg Gate and The View, then Iced Honey and then finish off with Junior Dad

heh, I messed up the code

Didn't realize this was now on Spotify.

hmm I don't see it is it under "Loutallica" or smth?

https://open.spotify.com/album/3FgLMfp5o2h2rAny7S6h57?si=1JfozsajQRSw2RWEdyfT8g ?

no tracks where I am but looking forward to them being added!

I forgot about this so hard!

at last i can listen to lulu in its intended environment, my office

album still amazing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adyC404_gEk

the manic confusion... of looooooove

i beseech ya

i keep lulu close to my heart at all times