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the last minute of harmonia is one of the best things i've heard all year!!!

http://twitter.com/hipsterrunoff/status/56581234846990336 (markers), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:31 (nine years ago) link

(haven't listened to all of aesthetica tho yet tbh)

http://twitter.com/hipsterrunoff/status/56581234846990336 (markers), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:31 (nine years ago) link

\m/

PG Harpy (Doran), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:40 (nine years ago) link

three weeks pass...

good album

dmr, Tuesday, 14 June 2011 20:52 (nine years ago) link

three years pass...

"Burzum meets Bone Thugs n Harmony" is the descriptor given in a recent Noisey article re: their new record "The Ark Work". I love those things individually, and could see a raw black metal rap project being incredible, but I have sincere doubts about this one.

Tomás Piñon (Ryan), Thursday, 19 February 2015 23:25 (five years ago) link

three songs in and it seems like it's just the vocals having a more hip hop cadence rather than something more blatant. sounds pretty cool imo

diamonddave85​ (diamonddave85), Friday, 20 February 2015 00:15 (five years ago) link

I am pleasantly surprised to say I am enjoying the hell out of this. There is absolutely no way any metal fans are going to be down with this weird like, Bizzy Bone x Blut Aus Nord style, but it's doing something for me.

Tomás Piñon (Ryan), Friday, 20 February 2015 03:44 (five years ago) link

On first listen it sounds joyous and glittery.

Simon H., Friday, 20 February 2015 04:09 (five years ago) link

"Reign Array", my goodness

Simon H., Friday, 20 February 2015 04:24 (five years ago) link

This is surprisingly good. But man, is this gonna piss some folks off, and I completely understand that reaction.

But yeah, "Reign Array" and "Kel Valhaal" are so great.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 20 February 2015 23:25 (five years ago) link

I really don't know what to think of this album as a whole, but the first three tracks are amazing together. Love the horns.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 22:25 (five years ago) link

Since seeing EZ's tweet about this album over the weekend I've been really anxious to hear it. Also anxious to see the kvlt blow their lids over it. Not so anxious for another twelve dozen thinkpieces about Liturgy though.

ƋППṍӮɨ∏ğڵșěᶉᶇдM℮ (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 22:29 (five years ago) link

given that a huge part of Bone Thugs' appeal is that they harmonize I'm a little skeptical of this presskit look

Not so anxious for another twelve dozen thinkpieces about Liturgy though.

otm

The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 23:01 (five years ago) link

that's why I'm hoping everyone will just agree this is rad

Simon H., Wednesday, 25 February 2015 00:06 (five years ago) link

strongly disliked "quetzalcoatl" when it got linked to metalthread a month or so back. not cuz impure, but the lifeless vocals really repelled me. i quite liked the more densely packed of the songs two main sections, but not enough to get me over the dreary rest. still curious...

describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 00:13 (five years ago) link

This is surprisingly good. But man, is this gonna piss some folks off, and I completely understand that reaction.

But yeah, "Reign Array" and "Kel Valhaal" are so great.

― EZ Snappin, Friday, February 20, 2015 6:25 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

y do you understand this reaction? liturgy are just doin liturgy. prescriptive black metallers who accept nazi bands but not hendrix's attempts to "transcend the haptic void" are the worst people

Treeship, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 01:36 (five years ago) link

I understand because people will be expecting metal of some sort based on the band's past and this isn't a metal album.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 01:51 (five years ago) link

it's sort of a metal album

Treeship, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 02:33 (five years ago) link

i'm on my third trip through "reign array", and while the blackmetal signposting is very clear (mostly in the guitars), i'm more inclined to call this metal-influenced progressive indierock than metal as such. not sure what to make of it, tbh, but at least it's not yr standard-issue anything. though i like this track a good deal more than "quetzalcoatl", dude's vocals are still a big problem.

describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 02:34 (five years ago) link

this came up after reign array last time through. you're welcome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcTlFxkmDhk

describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 02:37 (five years ago) link

Today, we continue to praise and glorify God, through a multiple, array of gifts and talents displayed through the presentation of theatrical type arts currently known, more commonly, as mime and praise dancing.

describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 02:38 (five years ago) link

from his transcendental black metal essay from 2k10 or 11 or something:

the burst beat is a hyper blast beat, a blast beat that ebbs, flows, expands and contracts, breathes.

i think they've really accomplished this here, especially on quetzalcotl

Treeship, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 02:40 (five years ago) link

the vocals are starting to remind me of Liars, which is fine by me

Simon H., Wednesday, 25 February 2015 03:14 (five years ago) link

he sounds kinda like panda bear

Treeship, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 03:16 (five years ago) link

the vocals are starting to remind me of Liars, which is fine by me

otm, was thinking the same thing earlier on. but in a bad way.

describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 03:34 (five years ago) link

well I tried listening to this but it's not really my thing, cheers to people who dig it, it's all good

metal-influenced progressive indierock

I would cut "progressive" from here - the riffs for sure are metallic but the presentation, all the aesthetic choices, are really...the kind of indie rock that was popular around 2007?

The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 04:26 (five years ago) link

I loved the indie rock that was popular around 2007 (I'm guessing you mean Battles, Fang Island, perhaps even Parts & Labor or so) and I've been missing it, and yeah, this does sound a bit like that. But that was always a bit progressive inspired as well.

I like this album more and more, but it doesn't flow as much as I want it to.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 19:24 (five years ago) link

prescriptive black metallers who accept nazi bands but not hendrix's attempts to "transcend the haptic void" are the worst people

this is not a binary

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 20:19 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

uh you guys what is this

gybe horses (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 15:48 (five years ago) link

i saw greg fox drumming last weekend (not with liturgy) and i have some observations

1) what a maniac! wow. made it look so easy too.
2) he is the healthiest looking metal drummer i have seen in probably ever, kudos to him for that and also for wearing a shirt
3) i need to check out guardian alien bc i'm not sure i care about this band but he was an incredible drummer

groundless round (La Lechera), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 16:06 (five years ago) link

no offense intended at other metal drummers -- they are probably v healthy

groundless round (La Lechera), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 16:07 (five years ago) link

He's amazing. Definitely check out his work with Guardian Alien and Zs.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 16:12 (five years ago) link

have enjoyed a GA record or two but when I saw them play it was kind of like a set-length drum solo with some other parts added as an afterthought

sick (healthy) drummer though for sure

Reader, I murder dem (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 16:17 (five years ago) link

i still have to listen to that Zs record. he talks about some healthy stuff here:
http://noisey.vice.com/en_ca/blog/greg-fox-guardian-alien-interview

lil urbane (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 17:51 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

I caught these guys last night. The songs really blossomed for me in a live setting; Hunt-Hendrix's voice sinks back and lets everything else take center stage. "Reign Array" was gorgeous and majestic.

Talking to friends, it seems they've been a bit hit or miss on this tour. Last night was hit after hit, even with a guitar dying on the second to last song. Greg Fox launched into a hypnotic solo as they sorted out replacement gear and then it was straight back to business.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 April 2015 14:20 (five years ago) link

They should love Greg! Everyone should love Greg. Very nice guy, and a joy to watch and hear.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 April 2015 14:29 (five years ago) link

i just impulse bought a ticket to the show friday
i will turn into a pumpkin at midnight, but i'll get to catch the openers and they're pretty good (horse lords and another band i don't know) and a little of liturgy if i'm lucky.
his whole worldview re drumming is really otm and inspiring

groundless round (La Lechera), Thursday, 9 April 2015 15:46 (five years ago) link

Yes! Seeing Liturgy and Horse Lords on a double bill is a rad idea

the tune was space, Thursday, 9 April 2015 16:50 (five years ago) link

The show in Dallas was Horse Lords at 8, Sannhet at 9 and Liturgy at 10. I was home by 11:30. It was awesome.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 April 2015 17:01 (five years ago) link

Hm, that might be worth a trip to Montreal.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 9 April 2015 17:02 (five years ago) link

Liturgy, Horse Lords, and Sannhet sounds very exhausting.

I'm looking forward to catching them with Lightning Bolt in a few weeks!

Tomás Piñon (Ryan), Thursday, 9 April 2015 17:11 (five years ago) link

this show starts at 9 so i expect to miss some liturgy but that's ok bc i have a (really long) class to teach the next morning

groundless round (La Lechera), Thursday, 9 April 2015 17:21 (five years ago) link

Sund4r I'll be at that show
Greg is amazing, Guardian Alien is amazing

got a long list of ilxors (fgti), Thursday, 9 April 2015 17:28 (five years ago) link

It wasn't exhausting at all. Maybe 2 hours and 10 minutes of music total, spread out over three hours and in pretty different styles.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 April 2015 17:36 (five years ago) link

five months pass...

Listening to Kel Valhaal for the first time

:D

twunty fifteen (imago), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 21:57 (five years ago) link

all of metal heard this song and cried and cried

twunty fifteen (imago), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 21:58 (five years ago) link

just the best sort of annoying

twunty fifteen (imago), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 22:00 (five years ago) link

congrats to hunter

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 18:39 (six months ago) link

two months pass...

Rereading the Transcendental Black Metal manifesto, it's still so so annoying - and kinda racist towards Norwegians

― Frederik B, Wednesday, November 13, 2019 4:29 AM (eight months ago) bookmarkflaglink

you think that's bad? check this vile shit out

http://www.uffdahhh.com/ole---lena-jokes.html

the burrito that defined a generation, Monday, 27 July 2020 17:39 (three months ago) link

I'm sick of BM bands not getting called out for their anti-Norwegian racism

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Monday, 27 July 2020 17:42 (three months ago) link

When is HAQQ being physically released? Still not available here in Germany it seems.

Duke, Monday, 27 July 2020 21:32 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

https://liturgy.bandcamp.com/album/origin-of-the-alimonies-2

aaaahhhh

Chip-vill-A (imago), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 16:13 (one month ago) link

AAAAHHHH

Ilxor in the streets, Scampo in the sheets (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 16:14 (one month ago) link

uhhh, wow.

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 16:28 (one month ago) link

astonishing, beautiful track

Cabo Weibo (卡波微博) (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 17:16 (one month ago) link

Wow

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 19:12 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

I'm discovering H.A.Q.Q. with great interest. Some people seem to imply there's a "scene" of those black metal records that the genre in the most unconventional directions. Do you have recommendations ?

Nabozo, Sunday, 15 November 2020 16:52 (one week ago) link

When the fuck can I buy this on CD? An old man writes.

Duke, Sunday, 15 November 2020 21:26 (one week ago) link

It seems available in the US, but not in Germany

Duke, Sunday, 15 November 2020 21:28 (one week ago) link

December release date. It keeps slipping back.

Duke, Sunday, 15 November 2020 21:33 (one week ago) link

Nabozo: There's no scene as such, the bands that push things forward tend to be on their own.

That said, if you like Liturgy but are not into black metal per se I'd say give Krallice a go, they're similarly overwhelming; Krallice don't have the eclectic influences/instrumentation but the guitars and bass are more technical, complex, and melodic. Years Past Matter is their best record but it might be best to start with the S/T debut.

Oranssi Pazuzu are another band who have crossover appeal, given that they're rooted in black metal but are kind of evil space-rock.

There's also 'A Northern Meadow' by Pyramids, which has almost exclusively sung vocals (rather than screamed/rasped) and is unusually nuanced and brings up conflicting moods, it manages to be somewhat unique despite sounding quite a lot like another band, Blut aus Nord (who are also good but kind of hard to get into in my experience).

Sorry if any of this comes across as condescending, I don't know how familiar you are with any of this stuff!

ultros ultros-ghali, Sunday, 15 November 2020 23:31 (one week ago) link

Relating to Krallice, I'd also really recommend guitarist Mick Barr's solo albums as Octis/Ocrilim and duo albums as Orthrelm as well--they're a bit more of a hybrid btw metal and other repetitive riff-based genres like minimalist classical music and post-hardcore

call mr zbow that's my name that name again is mr zbow (Craig D.), Monday, 16 November 2020 00:08 (one week ago) link

i have potentially many, many recommendations but it seems important instead to note that the other advance song off the new Liturgy is maybe even crazier than the first

imago, Monday, 16 November 2020 23:34 (one week ago) link

It's a trap (-influenced intro)

call mr zbow that's my name that name again is mr zbow (Craig D.), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 03:24 (one week ago) link

thread. bow down

A year ago yesterday we performed Origin of the Alimonies in LA. We had organized a west coast Liturgy tour (of regular non-opera shows) around it - our first in years, with a new lineup - and I had decided to suddenly release H.A.Q.Q. at the beginning of the tour. We almost https://t.co/0eAdtyiqk9

— Liturgy (@LITVRGY) November 18, 2020

imago, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 15:05 (six days ago) link

The new album is quite something.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 15:14 (six days ago) link

it really is, eh

and now i'm onto the messiaen cover, which is...just...

imago, Friday, 20 November 2020 10:44 (four days ago) link

Pre-ordered it on bandcamp but no sign of the complete mp3 album as of yet today 👀

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 20 November 2020 11:31 (four days ago) link

Loving it so far. The advance tracks really benefit from being heard in context.

jmm, Friday, 20 November 2020 17:07 (four days ago) link

really loved that hunter twittwr thread. i’m def someone who def thought liturgy’s whole thing was too pretentious to bear but i’m glad i’ve since come around. the ark work deserved better from me and from most of the people who heard it

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 20 November 2020 17:38 (four days ago) link

Same. I was thrown off by the vocals on Ark Work and probably dismissed it too quickly. I haven't really followed them since.

Origin is amazing though. I'm happy to finally connect with this band.

jmm, Friday, 20 November 2020 19:23 (four days ago) link

Performative snootiness: on.

Having just listened to the thing in its entirety, it’s a mildly competent late Romantic/early modernist classical pastiche for the most part, with a couple of jazzy/free improv signifiers thrown in for good measure. Oh and some screamo trap why because it look intersting. The glitchy and black metal bits feel tacked on and are paradoxically aimed at enhancing the project’s crossover appeal. The Messiaen geetar cover doesn’t add enough to the organ original to make me want to hear it again. Not is the would-be narrative/operatic ploy a point in its favour, since it only serves to cover up the lack of immanent structural momentum throughout. I suppose I’d be less annoyed if it wasn’t hailed as an auteur masterstroke by folks who otherwise don’t give a rat’s derrière about contemporary notated ‘art’ music and who are unlikely to engage with it beyond this one heartbreaking work of staggering genius whose vibratory strings will make your hypostatic pneuma swoon at the end of Bergsonian time like the quatuor of Jonny Greenwood fame.

Performative snootiness: off.

Other than that, it’s not bad. Too much esprit, not enough esprit critique aka 6/10.

I’mma show myself out.

pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 01:14 (three days ago) link

2/10 title btw. Origin of the Alimoniae would have been more befitting.

pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 01:20 (three days ago) link

I don't have enough of a background in contemporary notated art music to analyze it from that angle, but my upcoming Wire review does contain the phrase "makes up for in audacious energy what it lacks in compositional cohesion". So...

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 21 November 2020 01:21 (three days ago) link

Its exuberant self-confidence (outright faith?) is a blessing for that very reason but also a curse insofar as it exudes a kind of smugness that is proper to the autodidact. Then again, guitarist #2 is the son of Kyle Gann (whom I don’t like very much ftr, although I wish he’d guided them kids towards an Ives or Nancarrow cover instead of Messiaen – his ubiquitous early material, to boot – ‘cause that at least would have felt like a real curve ball, although perhaps lacking in self-satisfied neo-theological TRANSCENDENCE).

pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 01:31 (three days ago) link

Anyway, I think you mentioned this in another thread but I very much agree that this is only tangentially a ‘metal’ record and shouldn’t be approached as such.

pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 01:34 (three days ago) link

And just to pre-empt lj’s rejoinders: Jute Gyte, whose output I haven’t sufficiently explored yet, has delivered *much* better and more unique takes on the intersection being plumbed here.

pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 01:45 (three days ago) link

proper to the autodidact

I haven't got into Liturgy much at all and haven't heard this yet except for the two advance tracks but, wait, HHH studied with Tristan Murail.

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Saturday, 21 November 2020 02:02 (three days ago) link

I stand corrected. I suppose this is an indictment of myself, HHH and Murail.

pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 02:03 (three days ago) link

I mean, if anything, it's the smugness of the Ivy League dilettante.xp

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Saturday, 21 November 2020 02:03 (three days ago) link

Now that I know, 'tis a good way of putting it.

pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 02:04 (three days ago) link

Silver lining: maybe everyone who loves the new Liturgy will check out Tristan Murail's fabulous Portulan cycle, which Kairos released last year?

pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 02:10 (three days ago) link

I only just connected the dots that HHH is the grandchild of a billionaire oil tycoon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._L._Hunt.

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Saturday, 21 November 2020 03:19 (three days ago) link

Oh I remember listening to that Murail album last year. Thanks for the reminder. I'll get it out again.

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Saturday, 21 November 2020 03:22 (three days ago) link

Liturgy officially CANCELLED.

xp

pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 03:26 (three days ago) link

I’ve been criticized in the past for being so wide-eyed, sincere and ambitious about creating new forms for conveying like heartfelt emotion

really?

CRVTCHΞS (Deflatormouse), Saturday, 21 November 2020 04:15 (three days ago) link

i’m def someone who def thought liturgy’s whole thing was too pretentious to bear but i’m glad i’ve since come around.

I think the music is great, the pretension is fine, the sanctimony is unbearable.

CRVTCHΞS (Deflatormouse), Saturday, 21 November 2020 04:18 (three days ago) link

And HHH's parents developed something called imago relationship therapy. O_o

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imago_therapy

jmm, Saturday, 21 November 2020 05:38 (three days ago) link

haha

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 21 November 2020 13:42 (three days ago) link

lol

pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 14:36 (three days ago) link

Wait, we’ve had this conversation before, haven’t we?

pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 15:12 (three days ago) link

This band are really good at one thing, and one thing only, and that's the "vibrant blast-beat chorale" thing. They have not at all figured out how to synthesize that one thing with any other thing.

The last minute of "The Fall Of SIHEMYN" is the thing that is good. I dislike everything else about this album

This band afaic has always been defined by the first two tracks of their first LP-- a terribly conceived, terribly executed a cappella "new music" intro, followed by a thrilling blast-beat chorale ("Pagan Dawn", by far their best track and one of my favourite songs in the world, seeing it live in 2011 was spectacular)

I cannot think of a worse opening track than the first track on The Ark Work, I hate it like I hate Eno's "The Drop" or the ninth Felt album

flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 21 November 2020 15:57 (three days ago) link

xps The discussion page on that article is killing me.

What a mess. Not only is it entirely unformatted, it seems to be a paper someone wrote in enthusiastic support of Imago (perhaps even at the behest of Imago), cherry-picking details from studies that support Imago without once referencing any criticisms.

jmm, Saturday, 21 November 2020 17:40 (three days ago) link

;_;

imago, Saturday, 21 November 2020 21:37 (three days ago) link

"Generation" remains one of my very favorite rock songs

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Saturday, 21 November 2020 23:26 (three days ago) link

the poo_er of the angryman ffs

Bandscamp Fryday (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 November 2020 23:35 (three days ago) link

god bless you, ever rong

Bandscamp Fryday (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 November 2020 23:36 (three days ago) link


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