Is the Stone Roses debut really as good as is claimed?

http://www.culturedeluxe.com/StoneRosesBoxSet.jpg

john leckie is doing a q&a on gearslutz at the moment if any of you give enough of a toss about the behind the scenes aspects of this album

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/q-producer-john-leckie/

I get the feeling we're supposed to jack off about those pictures of the box set. That's the idea, right?

PEARL BASTARD NOW, BITCH

Bimble: jacking off about those pictures of the box set, so you don't have to.

hahahahah

REMEMBER ANDY ROURKE OF THE SMITHS PLAYED I AM THE RESURRECTION IN HIS DJ SET SO WE CAN ALL LIVE WITH OURSELVES

And Bass for Badly Drawn Boy.

just heard from our head buyer here at Amoeba that the US domestic release of the Collector's Box is cancelled?!?! WTF?!

please tell me it's some SKU bullshit and they're relisting it soon...cos I can't pay $140 for this!

fuck, that is not good news. not sure if i was going to buy it anyways but was tempted.

So this is out today.

first one to post the 'extra demos'///...

It's had loads of coverage, I'm seeing it everywhere. The Sunday Times had it as their 'essential release' even though the review said the demos are shite and the album itself has three good singles then is filled 'with tosh like Bye Bye Badman'.

Just having a look at this on my way home, noticed they've managed to spell 'Resurrection' wrong on the 'legacy' edition

I just took a closer look at that and realized a large number of people probably aren't going to be able to fit that fucking lemon in any of their USB ports.

Demos are on Spotify. Manage to sound both a) autotuned and b) horribly off.

Remaster is an improvement, definitely. I've not enjoyed listening to it that much in years. Maybe a decade. Shoot You Down was awesome. Just wish the b-sides were available separately from that damn exhibition bollocks box.

It's had loads of coverage, I'm seeing it everywhere. The Sunday Times had it as their 'essential release' even though the review said the demos are shite and the album itself has three good singles then is filled 'with tosh like Bye Bye Badman'.

"Bye Bye Badman" is one of the best songs on the entire album though.

(It got a bit old when Kula Shaker gave it new lyrics, composed a new chorus, and gave no credit to anyone but themselves for it though)

(And called it "Into the Blue")

A; I think you mean Into The Deep.
B; Can anyone confirm or deny that they have the same or similar chord structures / melodies?

Anyone worried about brickwalling, fear not: waveform of Shoot You Down;

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/Picture2-5.png

Simone, Standing Here, Where Angels Play and Something's Burning all sounding lovely too (I didn't buy that stupid box - downloaded them from iTunes).

just listened today, everything sounds pretty great, including the backwards tracks. the Shoot You Down demo is pretty spectacular as well!!

Is it really true that Secretary of State for Health Andy Burnham wrote the liner notes for this?!

Nick, you really own this thread.

d/l now thanks.

according to Amazon there is going to be a 2CD/DVD of this thing for around $25, will get that and pass on the box set.

I'm not sure whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, Owen...

I think Gilly off Hollyoaks embodies what I don't like about this record. Luckily Americans wont have a clue what I mean.

Pashmina is supremely OTM way upthread where he talks about how musically accomplished The Stone Roses were; none of the bands that cot-tailed them seemed to have anywhere near their level of finesse.

Louis, have you heard any of the b-sides? Some of my favourite Roses songs are their b-sides; Bimble, rest his soul, was totally correct about Where Angels Play. Simone, which is part of Where Angels Play spun backwards and elongated, is also wonderful; the best of the backwards tracks bar Don't Stop, and up there with Eno's ambient / instrumental passages on Another Green World for me in terms of beatific texture. Standing Here also has a great groove and a beautiful, bittersweet coda. Going Down is a great little Byrds / Hendrix tribute with lyrics about oral sex. What The World Is Waiting For was never an absolute favourite of mine, but it's still pretty awesome. And then there's Something's Burning, which is probably their best ever groove, totally spooky, totally liquid.

Really happy with the (bog standard release of) the remaster. I've not enjoyed listening to this band in years, and this has brought back many pleasant experiences and sensations and feelings that I thought had gone. Particularly great moments of he remaster = Don't Stop, which is just awesome, absolutely awesome, gathering up all the details and warmth and revealing a kind of dubbiness to it that I'd not perceived before; and Shoot You Down, with it's stop/start momentum and Ian's naked vocal ("I'd love to do it and you know you've always had it coming") sounding really natural, which is very odd amongst all the reverb and multitracking he's otherwise (rightfully, given his weak pipes) subjected to. Plus John's guitar in that, especially at the end = blissful.

i still love this album, but has anyone ever repackaged and remastered and re-re-re-released such a scant catalog in so many different ways?

Mad thing is, for all the fucking ridiculous re-releases, until the Very Best Of thing in 2002 and this, they never bothered remastering it.

I just really, really, really want the remastered b-sides and non-album singles on one disc that I can go and buy for a tenner. It's nice playing them on headphones or the little Q Acoustics speakers but I wanna stick them through the big stereo next door and get them through the B&Ws.

Anyone worried about brickwalling, fear not: waveform of Shoot You Down;

With a few exceptions, it seems it is more and more usual these days to accept that the early 00s fascination for brickwalling doesn't sound too good.

WELL DONE GEIR.

That repeated strummed intro to Bye Bye Badman slowly pans across the soundstage! Never heard it do that before.

I picked this up today, finally replacing the cassette I bought back in '89 as a callow youth. I just had a listen on some headphones while watching the football, and it does sound utterly gorgeous. It sounds amazing actually. Especially the second side (as was) which is just ice cold solid gold from end to end.

So many great memories tied up with this album, but it sounds so fresh here as well.

Twenty years. Where did all the time go?

Unfortunately we have another month wait for this here in the States, not even up on the U.S. iTunes yet. But all the good word on this thread leaves me anxious.

saw the box at work this week as an import - it's freaking HUGE but completely drool-worthy. $190 price tag will ensure i wait for the domestic, which is supposedly $130. a bit less unreasonable!

So, is the sound *that* much better?

I'd say so, yes.

It's not going to compare with the Beatles remasters when they come out, because the original CDs were horrific and the remasters will have had a lot of money spent on them, and also the Stone Roses debut wasn't, I suspect, all that well recorded in the first place. But I've enjoyed it more than I have in years.

See, I was awaiting the issue of this LP after seeing the Stone Roses on Tony Wilson's "Other side of midnight", even taping it and showing our drummer "This! This is the future" (he didn't see it himself, so once again we were six months behind as opposed to a year ahead la di dah etc)..

.. and wanted "Waterfall" to be a single. Which it was, eventually, as a remixed/retooled edition.

Which I quite liked. Maybe even preferred in isolation, to the LP version (but not in the context of the LP if you get me..)

If the whole LP was remixed/etc like those singles were, that'd be good interesting also. But that's not happened, right?

Nope; it's literally just remastering; a little bit more volume, a little bit more bass, a little bit more detail, a little bit more (obvious) use of space.

.. which is probably better, for an album.

Oh without a shadow of a doubt. Just buy it, dude; however, I'd recommend just going for the basic 1-disc version; the 3-disc adds the live at Blackpool DVD which is readily available elsewhere for pennies, and a CD of demos which are shite. The uber-box has all the b-sides and non-album singles, but it's £100; if you're desperate for the b-sides you can buy individual tracks off iTunes, and I'd hope that they'd get a 1-disc release of their at some stage too (a remastered Turns Into Stone perhaps).

Wait, so did they leave in the vinyl-scratch *glitch* on the fadeout of "Elizabeth My Dear?"

The 3 disc version is £27 in HMV, I mean, eh?

And I do wonder if the big box will turn up in Fopp in 6 months...

Wait, so did they leave in the vinyl-scratch *glitch* on the fadeout of "Elizabeth My Dear?"

That's meant to be a gunshot, though it's always sounded a bit shit. I'm guessing they didn't replace it with an Uzi or something for the remaster? Shame.

The glitch is still there, yes, and definitely is NOT a gunshot; does sound like a vinyil glitch, aye.

A silenced gunshot, indicating the work of a stealthy assassin? I'd assumed it was a flaw on the tape of my cassette, until I bought the CD.

There was a video of them live in '89 on one of the satellite music channels over the weekend, jesus they were fucking shite live weren't they?

The 40 track legacy edition can be downloaded from 7Digital for £7.99 at the moment, if that's of interest to anyone?

http://www.7digital.com/artists/the-stone-roses/the-stone-roses-20th-anniversary-legacy-edition-2

Wow - ILX opinion has turned around on this one, huh?