Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream poll

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Inspired by the winner of this thread last week: best Butch Vig-produced album.

http://www.rigmarole.de/smashingpumpkins/jpeg_cover/siamesedream/big/tsp_SiameseDreamCleanVersion_CD.jpg

Poll Results

OptionVotes
9. Mayonaise 24
1. Cherub Rock 14
7. Soma 11
8. Geek U.S.A. 10
3. Today 7
5. Rocket 6
4. Hummer 4
11. Silverfuck 4
6. Disarm 3
12. Sweet Sweet 1
10. Spaceboy 1
2. Quiet 1
13. Luna 0


Bee OK, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 01:35 (nine years ago) link

forever and always: "Mayonaise."

Bee OK, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 01:36 (nine years ago) link

"Hummer"

The first half is a 90s rock classic. The second half SUCKS.

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 01:53 (nine years ago) link

ehh kinda...definitely is half-expendable that's for sure

I'm gonna vote Mayonaise

Dr. Suggestban, or How I Learned to Stop etc. (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 02:02 (nine years ago) link

The first half is a 90s rock classic. The second half SUCKS.

So wrong.

Perfect album. Voting "Mayonaise," which should win. "Today" is a close second - what an amazing song!

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 02:05 (nine years ago) link

siamese dream & purple rain in the same week.... too many brainbusters

billstevejim, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 04:19 (nine years ago) link

sticking w/ basics: Cherub Rock

Welcome to the Geirordome (Pillbox), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 04:32 (nine years ago) link

Geek USA. tracks 7/8/9 make for an epic run.

Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 06:39 (nine years ago) link

Disarm narrowly over Mayonaise, but it's close.

Best thing about Butch Vig's work on this was that he managed to reduce Corgan's voice to a wisp for most of it - made it easier to enjoy the good things about the band without the appallingly obnoxious one constantly getting in the way.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 07:10 (nine years ago) link

Not the classic SP album it's made out to be. I'd actually rate Gish, Mellon Collie and maybe even Adore above this one. That said, Soma is an amazing song.

Evil Eau (dog latin), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 08:44 (nine years ago) link

"Soma" kicks my ass every time. definitely my vote.

c'est cheese and die (absolutely clean glasses), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 08:47 (nine years ago) link

^

Really won't trust ilm anymore if the top two is not 1. Soma 2. Mayonaise

kkvgz, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 08:51 (nine years ago) link

Not that I've had any respect for you fruits since you voted for the Smiths over the Cure, but whatever.

kkvgz, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 08:53 (nine years ago) link

The second half SUCKS.

Waht fresh madness is this?

Everything a contender except Quiet, Rocket, Luna. Hummer loses points for only becoming transcendent in the last couple of minutes. But really... Mayonaise no question.

standing on the shoulders of pissants (ledge), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 09:15 (nine years ago) link

I rank 'em:

1. soma
2. geek u.s.a.
3. rocket
4. silverfuck
5. quiet
6. hummer
7. sweet sweet
8. cherub rock
9. mayonaise
10. today
11. disarm
12. luna
13. spaceboy

c'est cheese and die (absolutely clean glasses), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 09:43 (nine years ago) link

and I love all of them

c'est cheese and die (absolutely clean glasses), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 09:43 (nine years ago) link

I played my 17-year-old copy of this, shittily copied onto a shit tape, on a shitawful car stereo a few weeks ago, and was filled with a shitawfully shameful sense of nostalgia

it ruled but 'Geek USA' is the song that I still have various parts of running through my head as a result, so I voted that

Frank-Lampard-backing-anti-semitism-campaign.html (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 10:11 (nine years ago) link

def need to dig this out again soon. I have a real soft spot for Sweet Sweet and Luna - ideas they'd protract on the last part of the follow up record.

Evil Eau (dog latin), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 10:29 (nine years ago) link

I haven't listened to this album in way too long and would like to vote for a deep cut (especially since "Hummer" was one of the few highlights of the show I saw last year), but I gotta go with "Rocket," which I am still kind of bitter wasn't as big a hit as the other singles.

barbaric ya'll (some dude), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 14:45 (nine years ago) link

I'm kinda curious which is Ned's favorite.

Voted MAYO

wewetyourpants.com (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 14:52 (nine years ago) link

Voting "Mayonaise", but man Mr. Snrub could not be more wrong about the second half being made of SUCK. "Mayo" and "Silverfuck" are among two of the best songs from this era. I think this is probably my most listened to album ever.

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 16:27 (nine years ago) link

imo this is only 2nd to Superunknown as the best of the big '90s alt-rock blockbusters

barbaric ya'll (some dude), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 17:16 (nine years ago) link

Nah, this is marginally better than Superunknown, but I'm with you on these two being the tops.

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 17:17 (nine years ago) link

mayonaise
soma
rocket
today
quiet
hummer
sweet sweet
cherub rock
disarm
spaceboy
geek usa
luna
silverfuck

Dr. Suggestban, or How I Learned to Stop etc. (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 17:44 (nine years ago) link

"Silverfuck" way too low.

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 17:46 (nine years ago) link

more like stupidfuck

Dr. Suggestban, or How I Learned to Stop etc. (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:07 (nine years ago) link

lol zing

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:10 (nine years ago) link

"Soma" or "Hummer". I guess I lean a little towards the former...

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:10 (nine years ago) link

Between "Quiet" and "Mayonaise" for me.

Duane Barry, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 21:14 (nine years ago) link

Mayonaise. Although I'm not a big fan of these guys in general.

kornrulez6969, Thursday, 28 April 2011 00:52 (nine years ago) link

i hope i never stumble upon a lyric sheet for this album, it almost killed my love of "Cherub Rock" when i realized what the words to the chorus are and that they're even worse than "life's a bummer when you're a hummer"

barbaric ya'll (some dude), Thursday, 28 April 2011 00:53 (nine years ago) link

Ha, OTM.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 28 April 2011 02:50 (nine years ago) link

i love this whole album, don't care what anyone sez

shamefully blowable (latebloomer), Thursday, 28 April 2011 02:53 (nine years ago) link

Kudos to Alan Moulder, for mixing this like a pop My Bloody Valentine album.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 April 2011 02:55 (nine years ago) link

Hummer in all its shining glory. One of my all-time favourite tracks for sure.

I think this must be the album I played most in my life, and seeing that I will never equal that kind of lol-teenage compulsive listening again, it will forever live on as the album I played most.

My Life with the Thrill Kill Nult (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 28 April 2011 11:25 (nine years ago) link

I have very strong memories of being on a summer tour with my college choir when this came out, listening to it on my buddy's Discman. Because of first impressions, I'm voting "Silverfuck".

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 28 April 2011 13:26 (nine years ago) link

"Silverfuck" is probably the greatest encapsulation of what the Pumpkins were doing at the time.

terl you know it's grue (absolutely clean glasses), Thursday, 28 April 2011 15:43 (nine years ago) link

...or it's a big loud dumb mashup of better songs from this album. Compared to almost every other 7+ Pumpkins song* it comes off as incredibly weak and obvious.

*I can't say for any of the Machinas' songs. I haven't listened to either one...

Dr. Suggestban, or How I Learned to Stop etc. (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 29 April 2011 13:15 (nine years ago) link

7+ minute

Dr. Suggestban, or How I Learned to Stop etc. (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 29 April 2011 13:17 (nine years ago) link

or it's a big loud dumb mashup of better songs from this album

thank you for succinctly describing why this song is awesome

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Friday, 29 April 2011 13:28 (nine years ago) link

LOL @ DJP

on second thought,Silverfuck & Geek USA could probably switch places on my little rundown upthread...Silverfuck is a longer, gaucher Geek USA, but that "you lie to yourself" part (the only dece part of the song) goes on for a couple of minutes, whereas the "in a dream we are connected" break in Geek USA is too short...I actually don't like this album that much, and a big part of that is bcz I think most of the Billy's nods to 'metal' on here are kind of trite...exception here is Quiet, which is an absolute fucking monster of a song...

Mayonaise is better, though: SD's 1979, Billy hitting a good feeling & riding it out, not at all calling attention to the numerous songwriting left-turns he employs, each one keeping the vibe going while at the same time subtly raising the stakes, building tension to the climax: "I JUST WANNNA BEEEE...MEEEE....!" Prindle goes on about that little "SKREE!" bit of distortion, which is a great hook, and used really well in the song, while at the same time implying the emotional turbulence that "Silverfuck" rather clunkily tries to embody

Song is a pop masterpiece; likely the best thing Billy ever did.

Dr. Suggestban, or How I Learned to Stop etc. (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 29 April 2011 13:54 (nine years ago) link

I'm kinda curious which is Ned's favorite.

Don't think I have one. I stand by all this.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 April 2011 14:00 (nine years ago) link

i listened to this album this week, it was fantastic with all those memories come flowing through. it has held up really, really well to be honest. i remember at the time thinking that this album would be the best ever and would be hard to top. not sure if the Pumpkins released a better album, though i did like a bunch of their later songs.

Bee OK, Saturday, 30 April 2011 02:50 (nine years ago) link

just putting this on now in honor of the poll here. will report back soon

wtf:
'happiness will make you wonder will i feel ok'

i must give a shout-out to those strange photographs what with the lyrics all scribbled on them in the booklet.

There is half an album's worth of gold. Most of the 2nd half is garbage.

Be surprised if Soma doesn't win.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 30 April 2011 11:01 (nine years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Saturday, 30 April 2011 23:01 (nine years ago) link

soma has that guitar solo so

Gukbe, Saturday, 30 April 2011 23:35 (nine years ago) link

^^

voted geek USA, though. Soaring epic followed by bludgeoning epic

blank, Sunday, 1 May 2011 02:34 (nine years ago) link

two hours to go, looking forward to see what wins. could "Cherub Rock" be the dark horse?

Bee OK, Sunday, 1 May 2011 20:14 (nine years ago) link

i voted Cherub Rock.

it is his "enigmatic signifier" (the table is the table), Sunday, 1 May 2011 21:20 (nine years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Sunday, 1 May 2011 23:01 (nine years ago) link

acceptable

Gukbe, Sunday, 1 May 2011 23:23 (nine years ago) link

2. Quiet 1
13. Luna 0

Madness.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 2 May 2011 00:43 (nine years ago) link

I would've voted for Luna

Shin Oliva Suzuki, Monday, 2 May 2011 00:49 (nine years ago) link

pretty impressive how many more votes the 2nd half of the album got than the 1st half, considering how frontloaded the singles all are

hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Monday, 2 May 2011 00:50 (nine years ago) link

"Quiet" is a proper tune of the rocking out nature iirc

That Dunkster! (absolutely clean glasses), Monday, 2 May 2011 01:05 (nine years ago) link

somewhat related: TS: "I Am One" vs. "Cherub Rock"

mookieproof, Monday, 2 May 2011 01:10 (nine years ago) link

Mad that I missed this poll, would have been unable to choose anyway though.

Doctor Casino, Monday, 2 May 2011 01:34 (nine years ago) link

I love "Quiet" - wish I'd voted for it just so it'd have had a better showing (voted "Mayonaise")

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 2 May 2011 02:59 (nine years ago) link

man, i forgot how awesome jimmy chamberlain seemed once

j., Tuesday, 3 May 2011 01:13 (nine years ago) link

he still seems awesome listening to this album in particular.

That Dunkster! (absolutely clean glasses), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 01:29 (nine years ago) link

When I first heard this album in jr high I thought the drums during the solo in "Geek USA" were the greatest thing ever.

Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 01:31 (nine years ago) link

he does seem that way but it's been a long time so i'm sort of trying to re-calibrate my ears for 90s Alt-Rock Production (and Songwriting!).

j., Tuesday, 3 May 2011 01:32 (nine years ago) link

I was thinking about giving this album a shoutout in the greatest drum albums thread...

if hongroes could fly this place would be a geirport (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 03:46 (nine years ago) link

Life's a bummer when you're a hummer

hex enduction hour, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 05:23 (nine years ago) link

i voted for Cherub Rock, but that's because i couldn't pick one, but thought about the one that i hum to myself more than all the others.

tho someone was OTM upthread about Gish being a better album. that shit's in my car tape deck all the time.

it is his "enigmatic signifier" (the table is the table), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 05:26 (nine years ago) link

It's weird seeing that picture at the top of the thread, the UK version of the CD looks completely different...

I voted 'Hummer' after a bit of thought, definitely my favourite of their mini-epics. I used to love 'Mayonaise' but I'm not sure that'd even be in my Top 5 now.

Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 10:58 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, it looks weird to me too. My cd is this one:

http://s.dsimg.com/image/R-2353183-1299605581.jpeg

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 12:10 (nine years ago) link

Damnit, I know this is slightly off topic, but the guitar solo at the end of "Drown" will guarantee that Billy will always have a soft spot in my heart. How can he be so damn good and yet ...

grandavis, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 15:00 (nine years ago) link

Maybe it was the hair.

grandavis, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 15:01 (nine years ago) link

dang forgot to vote here for soma.
bang bang yr dead hole in yr head

7+ minute (jdchurchill), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 01:15 (nine years ago) link

that's "Silverfuck."

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 02:07 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...

Happy 20th birthday Siamese Dream!

Would have voted for 'Soma'

I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Saturday, 27 July 2013 15:51 (seven years ago) link

I'd probably put Quiet third on my list and Luna just above Cherub Rock but otherwise I stand by my ranking upthread

Drugs A. Money, Sunday, 28 July 2013 07:21 (seven years ago) link

I can understand almost nobody rating it as best on the album, but spaceboy is a really gorgeous and touching song.

Fetchboy, Sunday, 28 July 2013 08:23 (seven years ago) link

Maybe the most loving song he's written outside of For Martha.

Fetchboy, Sunday, 28 July 2013 08:27 (seven years ago) link

three years pass...

JIMMY SMASH

j., Friday, 23 December 2016 23:22 (three years ago) link

"Quiet" is a proper tune of the rocking out nature iirc

― That Dunkster! (absolutely clean glasses), Sunday, May 1, 2011 6:05 PM (five years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 23 December 2016 23:23 (three years ago) link

since i started drumming the "geek usa" drums give me heartburn

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 23 December 2016 23:26 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

1. luna
2. rocket
3. cherub rock
4. hummer
5. geek u.s.a.
6. spaceboy
7. sweet sweet
8. today
9. silverfuck
10. quiet
11. disarm
12. soma
13. mayonaise

but i generally prefer the live versions of these songs, especially 1994 and especially lollapalooza. the band was on fire that summer and were never more aggressive, even during the Machina era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLHEitwq20w

flappy bird, Monday, 19 February 2018 07:09 (two years ago) link

also swap geek & hummer in my list

flappy bird, Monday, 19 February 2018 07:13 (two years ago) link

God that is inhumanly fast and precise

startled macropod (MatthewK), Monday, 19 February 2018 07:42 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

Anyone else noticed the font used on the sleeve is similar to the one used on TV series Murder, She Wrote?

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 7 May 2018 18:05 (two years ago) link

yes. it's called Agatha. i see it fairly often in ads/signage/copy. i've seen the MCIS font in the wild, too.

timely bump, because i've actually been listening to SD a lot lately, more than i have in years. like i said in the poll thread and probably here, i prefer the faster/more intense/less staid live versions, but you know to state the obvious SD really is one of the best guitar/studio rat records ever. i blasted the 2011 vinyl reissue last night with headphones and heard guitar parts on Hummer and Cherub Rock that i'd never noticed before.

flappy bird, Monday, 7 May 2018 18:08 (two years ago) link

it’s a really beautiful sprawling guitar record. i wish there were more like it. (one record i really connect to it is jimmy eat world’s clarity)

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 7 May 2018 23:24 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

Happy 27th birthday to this sprawling LP which left my Gish-loving teenage self somewhat underwhelmed and nonplussed; but which I now recognize has some kickass songs and is undoubtedly a high point of ‘90s major-label alt-rock (I guess it didn’t get a lot better than this).

Your dream has symbolic content (morrisp), Monday, 27 July 2020 06:19 (one week ago) link

fulfill the promise made of tin

flappy bird, Monday, 27 July 2020 07:01 (one week ago) link

man oh man did i write the lyrics to 'Soma' all over my notebooks in high school

alpine static, Monday, 27 July 2020 07:24 (one week ago) link

haha there are some clunkers in there!

flappy bird, Monday, 27 July 2020 16:02 (one week ago) link


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