Iggy Pop's Post-Seventies Output

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Guess it's a way of finding out if I should buy Soldier and BBB.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
1980 – Soldier 5
1990 – Brick by Brick 5
1993 – American Caesar 3
1982 – Zombie Birdhouse 2
1981 – Party 1
2003 – Skull Ring 1
2009 – Préliminaires 1
1986 – Blah Blah Blah 0
1988 – Instinct 0
1996 – Naughty Little Doggie 0
1999 – Avenue B 0
2001 – Beat 'Em Up 0


Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

Soldier: yes. BBB: no.

fit and working again, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

worthless

ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

i owned the album brick by brick on cassette tape

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

I like a few songs each from Soldier, Party, Instinct, American Caesar and Beat 'Em Up. Everything else is pretty much worthless.

that's not funny. (unperson), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

Soldier (his last real good one) wins this by a mile, though I always liked "Pumpin' For Jill" off Party, and I for some reason gave Instinct a decent review in the Voice when it came out.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

Could you even make a solid single album from these? I've only heard a few and they were pretty crap.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

Soldier's good, Party and Zombie Birdhouse slightly less so (but I'd recommend all three). BBB is a thing in and of itself, but if you've heard the singles you know what you're getting into. Instinct is a disaster that Brick by Brick mostly redeems, then American Caesar sort of rides the post-Nirvana wave.

I have no recollection of listening to/liking any of the albums after that.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

BxB contains a song titled 'Butt Town.'

Startrekman otmfm (Pillbox), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

and "I Won't Crap Out"!

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

BBB got much acclaim at the time (Don Was production, etc). It's less than a buck on Amazon. I figured I'd ask.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

Is Skull Ring the one where he did a song with Sum 41 dudes? That was so awful it came damn close to retroactively ruining all of his music for me (and I actually have a medium tolerance for Sum 41!)

I've honestly only heard two of these all the way through, but American Caesar was, oddly enough, my introduction to solo Iggy back in college. I remember liking it at the time.

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

Don't mind Zombie Birdhouse, Soldier & Party in roughly that order.

Either don't like or haven't heard the rest - although I thought Skull Ring was kinda fun the one time I listened to it, I don't feel compelled to listen to it again really.

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

soldier, party and birdhouse all pretty fun in places.
everything after i can take or leave and will generally leave

reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

Of these, Blah Blah Blah was the first I heard as a 14 year old Bowie fan who thought "Real Wild Child" sounded really cool. Can't remember much from that album, probably have the tape I made from the library vinyl somewhere. Then Instinct came out and I thought the really metallic guitar sound on some of the tracks was weird/awesome (I hadn't heard any metal by then I think). Steve Jones. That year Iggy came to a town very close to mine - my first concert I went to without a parent! With my cousin. We were standing with our stomachs pressed against the stage, mightily impressed by the huge stack of speakers. The band came out, started playing and we fled to the back of the hall - it was so fucking loud I couldn't believe it haha
Bought a T-shirt that had lots of classmates and teachers looking at me funny. On the front the cover image of Instinct and covering the entire back the words

RAW
FUCKING
POWER

Loved it. The following year the local recordstore finally called me to tell me they'd received the Stooges cd I'd ordered the year before. Haven't played Instinct since then. Just checked some youtube's and it's dated badly.

Okay, back on topic: Soldier and Party both have a few good tracks, they're definately not as good as New Values though. Opening track of Zombie Birdhouse is cool too. Peculiar album, Iggy's not really good on it, but the music's this weird amalgam of new wave/industrial popsongs. Liked Brick by Brick quite a lot at the time. Haven't heard any albums he's released since then. Maybe you're better of getting this comp to cover 79-81.

willem, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

Did the 2cd Anthology pick the best bits of these?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

holy god that video. he's like some ben stiller parody of himself. HOW

arby's, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 04:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

No.

Fruitless and Pansy Free (Dr. Joseph A. Ofalt), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 04:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 00:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

I love this guy and the stooges show I was in 2007 was incredibly great and even tho I gave a couple of em good reviews upon release...these albums are useless.

gravity tractor VS asteroid B612 (m coleman), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 10:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

Is Skull Ring the one where he did a song with Sum 41 dudes? That was so awful it came damn close to retroactively ruining all of his music for me

Bear in mind it was doing this track that made Ig go "hang on, I know cooler dudes than these" and reform The Stooges.

Mark G, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 10:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

I *like* Brick By Brick. It had Don Was producing and Guns N Roses members on the disc and "Candy," his biggest hit, which is sappy but sweet and a pleasant surprise when it comes on the radio anymore.

Maybe it's the time and the fact that I backed into Iggy and The Stooges from a metal background as opposed to the other way around...

NYCNative, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 11:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

Only one I ever bought was Brick By Brick cos it has a fantastic cover.

ka£ka (NickB), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 11:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

Party has "Pumpin' for Jill," "Bang Bang," the outstanding "Eggs on Plate," and "Pleasure" - all solid Iggy tunes. It also makes me giggle really hard when he says "Oh, vo-dee-oh-dee" in "Happy Man." Zombie Birdhouse leads off with completely awesome "Run Like A Villain" and has the pretty good "Eat or Be Eaten" and I just looked at the track listing and straight up cannot remember a single thing about any of the other songs on it. By 1986 I am listening to other kinds of music than this and all my friends who're into Iggy are starting to show signs that by 2006 the music they will care about most will still be whatever Iggy's up to, so at that point am backing away from Iggy but wishing him well, and I haven't heard any of the albums that follow.

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 12:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

I remember when "Brick by Brick" came out, the review went "Grout to Lunch"

Dunno why I remember that one....

Mark G, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 12:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

Opening track of Zombie Birdhouse is cool too. Peculiar album, Iggy's not really good on it, but the music's this weird amalgam of new wave/industrial popsongs

^ this, it's a weird one

Tom D (Tom D.), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 12:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Wednesday, 9 March 2011 00:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

brick by brick is pretty much where i got off the ig bus, but beat 'em up ( i think it's that one) has the *awesome* "pussy walk". party is about half very good and i think is much more fun/solid than brick and ceasar

KC & the sunshine banned (outdoor_miner), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 01:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

Where to put this ...

http://www.gigwise.com/news/95155/read-iggy-pops-incredible-john-peel-lecture

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 20 October 2014 03:20 (three years ago) Permalink

thanking u

Thus We Frustrate Kid Charlemagne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 October 2014 03:43 (three years ago) Permalink

Avenue B is a seriously WTF album

and in his absence, she (Lee626), Monday, 20 October 2014 04:08 (three years ago) Permalink

I'd imagine the hardest part of Iggy Pop's solo career has been finding musicians that can turn his song ideas into music. Iggy never really had a regular group and his backing musicians changed project to project through his solo career.

earlnash, Monday, 20 October 2014 04:40 (three years ago) Permalink

Still wondering why the David Bowie produced/played/related 70s stuff hasn't had a remaster in 20 odd years.
& don't really remember what's on the later lps. Do remember tv appearances from around Blah Blah Blah and him wearing clear plastic jeans on some Channel 4 music show. Saw him mid 80s which may be Brick by Brick era?
But love the Stooges muchly.
That Anarchy in Manchester has his performance from the horse tail era on this week.
&wonder what chance there is on a memoir from the guy. It's been 30 odd years since his last one I think.

Stevolende, Monday, 20 October 2014 06:54 (three years ago) Permalink

you can listen to the lecture here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04lcj6z

or watch it here if you're in the UK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04m9q6v

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 20 October 2014 15:00 (three years ago) Permalink

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/when-iggy-pop-cant-live-off-his-art-what-chance-do-the-rest-have/article21154663/

So, how much money does Iggy Pop really make?

, Monday, 20 October 2014 18:11 (three years ago) Permalink

If he claims he can't live on what he makes, well, god only knows what it costs to live like Iggy Pop.

Really, though, if you're talking royalties, I can't imagine it's huge. But if you're talking payouts from cruise ships, and festivals, and other peripherals, I'm sure Iggy makes more than most of us. Probably worth many millions. But that includes property and other investments, which don't really pay the bills. And who knows, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't own the rights to stuff like "Lust for Life" anymore.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 20 October 2014 19:09 (three years ago) Permalink

Maybe the new millennial generation isn't taking Iggy's bait like previous generations did.

, Monday, 20 October 2014 19:25 (three years ago) Permalink

Someone needs to do note-for-note reproduction of Funhouse

Thus We Frustrate Kid Charlemagne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 October 2014 19:30 (three years ago) Permalink

They played "Down in the Street" on the tv show Gotham last week. I wonder how much he didn't get paid for that.

Mike Dixn, Wednesday, 22 October 2014 01:48 (three years ago) Permalink

Of course he can't live on record royalties. He's barely sold any! His chart career is nearly non-existent.

Publishing, live and random whatnot income on the other hand... dude has some cake, I'm sure.

mr.raffles, Wednesday, 22 October 2014 02:11 (three years ago) Permalink

He doesn't make anything for all the movies that "Lust For Life" appears in? Not to mention recent "TV Eye."

Thus We Frustrate Kid Charlemagne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 22 October 2014 02:18 (three years ago) Permalink

Seems weird to assume iggy owns his publishing

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 22 October 2014 02:23 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that's what I was saying. Doesn't he more or less say he had to sell all his rights as leverage to get deals? "As I learned when I hit 30 +, and realized I was penniless, and almost unable to get my music released, music had become an industrial art and it was the people who excelled at the industry who got to make the art. I had to sell most of my future rights to keep making records to keep going." I guess he's talking about future rights, which implies new material, but the fact that "The Idiot" and "Lust for Life" have not been reissued/remastered/expanded, etc. implies some rights ownership clusterfuck.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 22 October 2014 02:28 (three years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

i really love "shades" from blah blah blah. been reading the pushing ahead of the dame pieces on the bowie collabs on the record while listening https://bowiesongs.wordpress.com/category/blah-blah-blah-1986/

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 11 January 2018 20:25 (three months ago) Permalink

BBB is a terrific album fro the most part, and "Shades" the best song Bowie had a hand in writing in the late '80s. col otm

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 January 2018 20:32 (three months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

I have for no reason at all apart from masochism listened to all of Iggy Pop's post-70s solo albums

From this experience I feel I am entitled to impart that the following were underrated:

(...everything up to Zombie Birdhouse is good in some way...)

Instinct - this album is actually pretty good
American Caesar - surprised me the most tbh. compared to the rest of the 90s stuff anyway
Blah Blah Blah - dated 80s production etc but it's OK
Skull Ring - is bad but not as bad as people say it is

Proper bad:

Avenue B
Beat 'Em Up - I quite like Drink New Blood but the rest of it's mostly shit
Naughty Little Doggie - OK this isn't actually that bad but wtf "Pussy Walk" how can I scrub that from my ears

Colonel Poo, Friday, 2 March 2018 22:49 (one month ago) Permalink

Where's Brick by Brick?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 March 2018 22:55 (one month ago) Permalink

Not over or underrated! It's pretty good. It came joint first

Colonel Poo, Friday, 2 March 2018 23:00 (one month ago) Permalink

I ranked all of Iggy's albums for Stereogum back in 2016. (I included Stooges albums, which some people viewed as cheating, but whatever.)

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 2 March 2018 23:09 (one month ago) Permalink

Haha I just finished listening to Apres and you ranked it correctly.

Colonel Poo, Friday, 2 March 2018 23:25 (one month ago) Permalink

Blah Blah Blah at 6 and Avenue B at 10 are the wtf ones.

Ready To Die is better than I thought it would be but it has a Pussy Walk on it in the form of DD's

Colonel Poo, Friday, 2 March 2018 23:27 (one month ago) Permalink

I don't get what makes BBB more dated than those seventies albums?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 March 2018 23:28 (one month ago) Permalink

Maybe it's just a personal adversion due to the time period I grew up but the late 80s sounds more "dated" to me in a lot of ways than any earlier period

Colonel Poo, Friday, 2 March 2018 23:31 (one month ago) Permalink

the late 80s sounds more "dated" to me in a lot of ways than any earlier period

I think there were particular production techniques and sounds (specific drum machines, synth patches, etc.) that tie songs and albums to that era more strongly than other songs and albums are tied to their era, particularly because those sounds have not really continued to be imitated in the way that late '60s psychedelia and/or slick pop, or early '70s bare-bones hard rock production styles have continued to be emulated by later artists. Singer-songwriters are still trying to sound like Joni Mitchell's and James Taylor's and Carole King's early '70s work; rock bands are still trying to sound like Led Zeppelin's first four albums; but nobody's really consciously setting out to make an album that sounds like, for example, Robert Plant's Shaken 'n' Stirred.

grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 3 March 2018 00:03 (one month ago) Permalink

'Real Wild Child' is a cool track, but Blah Blah Blah sounds very much of its particular time, production wise very 80s. It's not very Iggy. It's got that 80s too clean sheen.

Instinct turns up the guitars but it's cut in a weird 80s studio built up way I think with a drum machine or built up click. It doesn't groove and would have sounded better recorded more live.

I'd say these two albums were cut in the age of the click track built track by track, not really a live band ever played it all together. It sounds stiff, but not in a good way.

earlnash, Saturday, 3 March 2018 00:04 (one month ago) Permalink

xp I think that's it - the choices of synths, drum machines etc from that period just didn't stick, and I often (not always!) dislike those sounds when I hear them again now, whereas synths and drum machines from the early 80s or earlier still sound good, and from 1990-ish onwards technology meant that dated-ness for want of a better word mostly went away. I dunno, that's my perspective as someone who was a teenager in the early 90s. Maybe everyone feels like this about the period just before they were paying attention to music.

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 3 March 2018 00:13 (one month ago) Permalink

I asked the following on another Iggy/stooges thread, it was not answered, and so perhaps Grawlix, Scott S or someone knowledgeable will oipine…

so last year, there was a double album version of 2005's Heavy Liq…not 25 takes of "I got a right" but presumably the best take of that, and a bunch of other songs that they played live but ain't on Raw power.

https://www.discogs.com/The-Stooges-Heavy-Liquid/release/10175378

I listened to it on Spotify, but I am curious if Scott S or someone who is more knowledgeable about the Williamson era considers this the closest thing to a followup to Raw Power as exists (not including Metallic KO and gods knows how many shitty live recordings all over the place). I think I wanna get a voy-null copy but this came out limited edition and is slightly more expensive than I would like…if Scott or someone can advise that this is like Raw power part II or the closest to it, or not, I'd be much obliged.

I quite like Kill City, but that's obviously Williamson saying "look we can do a stones-ish record, let's try to be slightly conventional and maybe we'll make it big." My admiration for Williamson has increased lately: he's the american Jimmy page to me and I'm sorry that he didn't do more— or perhaps I should be happy that he appeared to have had a good post-heroin life and career and is healthy. He sounded pretty good when he came back after Ron died, but it was a bit of a shock to see that he was this fairly rotund gray-hair after last seeing him look so fucking amazing in those '72-'75 photos.

veronica moser, Saturday, 3 March 2018 14:53 (one month ago) Permalink

I think there were particular production techniques and sounds (specific drum machines, synth patches, etc.) that tie songs and albums to that era more strongly than other songs and albums are tied to their era, particularly because those sounds have not really continued to be imitated in the way that late '60s psychedelia and/or slick pop, or early '70s bare-bones hard rock production styles have continued to be emulated by later artists. Singer-songwriters are still trying to sound like Joni Mitchell's and James Taylor's and Carole King's early '70s work; rock bands are still trying to sound like Led Zeppelin's first four albums; but nobody's really consciously setting out to make an album that sounds like, for example, Robert Plant's Shaken 'n' Stirred.

― grawlix (unperson), Friday, March 2, 2018

I get this, but when I hear late '70s Doobie Brothers or Kenny Loggins or Player I think "Oh, it's 1978" or whatever yet I don't see many people going EW IT'S DATED.

I'm using the thread as an excuse to say, again, that "dated" is not pejorative; it's value-free. A song recorded in January 2015 is dated. A song recorded yesterday is dated.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 3 March 2018 14:57 (one month ago) Permalink

x post: uh, bizarrely, that shit was posted before I was done… 2005's Heavy Liquid is a box very much like the Rhino Funhouse sessions, comprised of probly every studio take of the songs they did 72-74 that they did live but was not on Raw power…

veronica moser, Saturday, 3 March 2018 15:47 (one month ago) Permalink


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