Cardiacs - Sing to God

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IMO this is the greatest album of all time, and I think a few of you guys think the same, so I thought I'd start this to find out what is the very pinnacle of the Cardiacs experience.

I would predict that "Dirty Boy" will probably win, but there are so many ace tracks on here that I might be proven wrong.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Flap Off You Beak 3
Dog-Like Sparky 3
Dirty Boy 2
Bellyeye 2
Quiet As a Mouse (lol) 2
Fiery Gun Hand 2
Odd Even 1
Nurses Whispering Verses 1
Manhoo 1
Eden on the Air 0
Angelworm Angel 0
Red Fire Coming Out of His Gills 0
No Gold 0
Bell Clinks 0
Bell Stinks 0
Billion 0
Wireless 0
A Horse's Tail 0
Fairy Mary Mag 0
Insect Hoofs on Lassie 0
Eat It Up Worms Hero 0
Foundling 0


frogbs, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:51 (six years ago) Permalink

oh good god. impossible choice. gut instinct says 'fiery gun hand', but then again...

m the g, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:30 (six years ago) Permalink

Would this be a good place to start with the Cardiacs? I always think of these guys as the ultimate ILM band, because I never hear of them in any other context. Maybe its about time I dove in?

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:43 (six years ago) Permalink

I would get A Little Man and A House first, which is more or less their debut (excepting a bunch of demo tapes). It too is a really great album. Sing to God is their best but it may be really off putting if you aren't really familiar with the way they work. A lot of it is totally off the deep end.

frogbs, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:55 (six years ago) Permalink

huh! this is neato! i thought this band was like the cardigans or something

kinda sounds like Sparks meets NOMEANSNO

gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:58 (six years ago) Permalink

xp I was the opposite way round. got sing to god long before a little man, and found the latter harder to get into (it's less harsh/dense/violent, I guess, though there's a lot of quieter, subtler stuff on StG too). only recently has its true magnificence revealed itself to me.

m the g, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:00 (six years ago) Permalink

glad you like, gr8080!

it's frankly terrifying how much this band have taken over my consciousness since first hearing them over a decade ago.

m the g, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:03 (six years ago) Permalink

honestly...i only got into them because an online buddy sent me "in a city lining" on mp3, which I added to my iTunes but never listened to...I only found it because it was next after "Captain Lou Albano's History of Music". He described it as some sort of Devo/Zappa/Genesis/VDGG hybrid and I was like, okay, that sounds interesting, but kinda forgot about it since most band that "totally sounds like x meets y meets z...ON ACID!!" is nowhere near the sound they describe it as, but Cardiacs really do live up to that title

frogbs, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:05 (six years ago) Permalink

First thought was Dog-Like Sparky, now I'm not so sure.

progspeed you! black metallers (aldo), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:56 (six years ago) Permalink

Far from the pinnacle, but Flap

Run Westy Run Megatorrent (MaresNest), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 22:08 (six years ago) Permalink

Then what is the pinnacle??

frogbs, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 22:11 (six years ago) Permalink

Well, I don't really know if I could even subjectively say with them Cardiacs. I have beef with the STG adulation, outside of the big hitters it's kinda flawed imho.

Run Westy Run Megatorrent (MaresNest), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 22:17 (six years ago) Permalink

Too many weak spots on the second disc.

everything, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 22:19 (six years ago) Permalink

Unlike LMAHATWWW and SFSAI which are gold front to back. I would even say I rate the Sea Nymphs S/T more than STG.

Run Westy Run Megatorrent (MaresNest), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 22:21 (six years ago) Permalink

Put your hands on the holy bible and scream wank

Morcheeba, simply happening. (PaulTMA), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 22:23 (six years ago) Permalink

Really like the instrumental version of that. And the instrumental of Insect Hooves.

everything, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 22:24 (six years ago) Permalink

I'd love an album of Cardiacs songs with the vocals taken out. Not that I dislike the vocals or the lyrics - they are great but those two numbers are really cool.

everything, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 22:25 (six years ago) Permalink

NURSES.

A friend had lent me their older albums; I'd thought "ok, but, ???", but I decided to buy StG anyway, and Nurses was possibly the track that really sold me on Cardiacs. A bridge into Cardiacs from a less alien place, in a way.

dimension hatris (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 22:26 (six years ago) Permalink

That's interesting because Nurses is a really old track.

Run Westy Run Megatorrent (MaresNest), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 22:28 (six years ago) Permalink

hmmm tried to post this before and it rejected me, just saying that yeah this is my favorite album (and has been for about 5 years) so obviously there is gonna be some hyperbole. I don't see disc 2 as weak - it has "Dirty Boy", "Foundling", "Flap", "Nurses", "Bell Clinks", and "Angelworm Angel", all killer...I like pretty much every song on the release besides "No Gold".

frogbs, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 22:31 (six years ago) Permalink

I would have loved Spinney to be on the record.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY_ekVg8e0g

Run Westy Run Megatorrent (MaresNest), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 22:33 (six years ago) Permalink

xpost Compared to disc one though....it feels like it's padded.

everything, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 22:33 (six years ago) Permalink

Like, there are two very, very long tracks, two and a half throwaways and a couple of other bits that are kind of self-indulgent. It's quite exhausting to get through.

everything, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 22:39 (six years ago) Permalink

this album is ok I guess

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 22:48 (six years ago) Permalink

there you are.

Run Westy Run Megatorrent (MaresNest), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 22:49 (six years ago) Permalink

:D

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 22:50 (six years ago) Permalink

Still in the shire?

Run Westy Run Megatorrent (MaresNest), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 22:51 (six years ago) Permalink

disc 2 isn't quite as impeccable as disc 1, but by mere human standards it's still pretty astonishing.

m the g, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 22:56 (six years ago) Permalink

new zealandshire, mm, has a nice ring to it

really though I oughta construct an exhaustive defence of Disc 2. it's the loosest and medley-est Cardiacs have ever been, damn thing's a lightspeed psych-voyage through t smith's brain, chock to the brim with ginormous tuneage, abrasive surprises and earth-shattering drama. the sequencing is perfect, even better than that of Disc 1. obviously both discs have about 3 or 4 of the greatest songs of all time (each) and the whole thing is a terrifying embarrassment of riches, but at no stage does Disc 2 dip below enthralling for me. it's put together so intricately, and out of such differing mechanisms; it's a perfectly-formed musical box or curiosity shop.

as for my choice in this poll? 'dirty boy' is pretty much the greatest piece of music ever made, but it feels wrong voting for something that almost stands aloof from the album. alternatively there's 'dog-like sparky' which was the first Cardiacs tune to blow my fucking brain to pieces. still does it ever time really. thing's a pop opus. but then there's the one I'm voting for, 'flap off you beak'. because...because that sound is coming direct from heaven

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 23:02 (six years ago) Permalink

how have I never heard spinney before?!

TIS BLOODY DIVINE.

m the g, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 23:10 (six years ago) Permalink

They even did it live a couple of times too MG

Run Westy Run Megatorrent (MaresNest), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 23:12 (six years ago) Permalink

holy fuck, this ^^^ xp

it and Pond are Smith's two most obvious bastardisations of traditional song maybe?

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 23:14 (six years ago) Permalink

Jon Poole had a fairly big hand in STG too y'know.

Run Westy Run Megatorrent (MaresNest), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 23:17 (six years ago) Permalink

omg this has given my day an unexpectedly grinsome new dimension

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 23:20 (six years ago) Permalink

sweet fancy moses!

m the g, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 23:43 (six years ago) Permalink

Yeah, the b-sides for Mahoo and Odd Even are pretty essential to the whole thing. IIRC the advertised scheme was to have four eps, each one with a song from Sing To God and some exclusive tracks. For whatever reason that never happened which became a little bit frustrating considering the quality of what was out. I'm not sure how the single for Bellyeye fits in with this. It has three tracks from the album but I remember it did come out quite a bit in advance of the album and the artwork wasn't uniform with the rest and it appeared to be more of a taster. Perhaps some sort of gesture to Org Records?

everything, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 04:37 (six years ago) Permalink

I would get A Little Man and A House first, which is more or less their debut (excepting a bunch of demo tapes).

Um....what? This is just a bizarre thing to say. Four studio albums and a live album cannot be dismissed as a bunch of demos. The Seaside and especially Big Ship (or Songs for Ships and Irons as it's called now with the 12 inch of Too Many Irons thrown in) are totally essential if you are a Cardiacs fan. There are some of the most classic, idiosyncratic Cardiacs songs there: Big Ship, Tarred and Feathered, Loosefish Scapegrace, RES, To Go Off And Things and tons more.

Toy World and The Obvious Identity represent a low-fi prototype of what they would become but contains many great songs. The fact that the band returned to those albums in later years is a testament to the quality of the songwriting. Get the Garage Concerts discs to experience them at their best.

Rude Bootleg is fantastic - beats the Cardiacs Live album hands down.

everything, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 05:30 (six years ago) Permalink

A Little Man and a House is one of my favorite records but this one still hasn't clicked for me. it's neat but i can't forge any emotional connection to it.

ciderpress, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 05:44 (six years ago) Permalink

nevertheless, i will give it a listen through now for the purposes of this poll

ciderpress, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 05:44 (six years ago) Permalink

There are some of the most classic, idiosyncratic Cardiacs songs there: Big Ship, Tarred and Feathered, Loosefish Scapegrace, RES, To Go Off And Things and tons more

seriously I got a lot of love for Tarred And Feathered but the fact it's the first Youtube hit for the band probably does them wayyyyy more harm than good

the other songs listed there are obviously stone-fucking-dead amazing

wanna know how ciderpress got on with this record. for me it's *ridiculously* emotionally intense. it's intensity overload. I guess that means for some people it will come off as completely over the top and not emotionally-charged at all, but for me it dives straight into the heart with more gusto than anything else I've heard. just such a manic, loving record. think of it as the sheer madness of staring into the sun on a spring morning surrounded by a zillion prancing rabbits. it is the next level of intensity. it is my kinda record.

acoleuthic, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 10:10 (six years ago) Permalink

also, to quote a wiser man than I, 'you can hear angels in the mix'. listen close, puppies.

acoleuthic, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 10:11 (six years ago) Permalink

Um....what? This is just a bizarre thing to say. Four studio albums and a live album cannot be dismissed as a bunch of demos. The Seaside and especially Big Ship (or Songs for Ships and Irons as it's called now with the 12 inch of Too Many Irons thrown in) are totally essential if you are a Cardiacs fan. There are some of the most classic, idiosyncratic Cardiacs songs there: Big Ship, Tarred and Feathered, Loosefish Scapegrace, RES, To Go Off And Things and tons more.

Well yeah Songs for Ships and Irons is great too but it was released after A Little Man wasn't it? That release is much easier to find than the original 12". And most of the demo tapes are kind of useless since the Garage Concert discs came out since those performances are generally much better. The Seaside is quite good, I'd agree with that. But I wouldn't start there. To make it clear I'm not advocating skipping all that stuff, just saying you should probably start with A Little Man and then maybe later go back to The Seaside and Songs for Ships and Irons. I would think you would then go to On Land and then Sing to God

frogbs, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 12:17 (six years ago) Permalink

When I asked at the Cardiacs merch stand at Nottingham Rescue Rooms where I should start, I was advised to start with On Land And In The Sea. "That's what I usually tell people", she said. So there you have it.

mike t-diva, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 12:21 (six years ago) Permalink

My first exposure (other than Steve Wright playing 'Is This The Life' on R1 back in the day was Heaven Born, then it was the 'All That Glitters..' video of all things

Run Westy Run Megatorrent (MaresNest), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 12:27 (six years ago) Permalink

Yeah On Land And In The Sea is pretty excellent as well, but I kind of wonder what people unfamiliar with the band do when something like "The Duck and Roger the Horse" comes on.

frogbs, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 13:06 (six years ago) Permalink

Dirty Boy is my favourite Cardiacs song but I want to vote for Manhoo as it was the first song by them that really clicked and made me a fan. Bellyeye is a really great song, hope that picks up a vote or two.

I think this would be just behind On Land And In The Sea as my favourite Cardiacs album. The second CD just isn't as strong, especially after it starts with such an amazing song everything else seems to pale in comparison.

Kitchen Person, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 13:08 (six years ago) Permalink

lolol mares nest what is with your display name?? love it.

gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 22:24 (six years ago) Permalink

:) I was looking for some RWR music and got this generically generated google result and it tickled me.

Run Westy Run Megatorrent (MaresNest), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 22:30 (six years ago) Permalink

Yeah as much as I love the album I don't know if StG is the best starting point; I guess you have to take each disc seperately, as it is basically two different albums. Disc 1 I would say is more accessible

frogbs, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 22:35 (six years ago) Permalink

Okay 10 songs, any album, any side project as an introduction, have at it.

Run Westy Run Megatorrent (MaresNest), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 22:38 (six years ago) Permalink

1. A Little Man and a House
2. In a City Lining
3. All Spectacular
4. Signs
5. Bellyeye
6. Anything I Can't Eat
7. Angelworm Angel
8. The Duck and Roger the Horse
9. Buds and Spawn
10. R.E.S.

frogbs, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 22:41 (six years ago) Permalink

a primer, aside from stuff on STG...

Home of Fadeless Splendour
The Duck & Roger the Horse
The Breakfast Line
To Go off and Things (live Maresnest version)
Big Ship
Gibber and Twitch (Garage Concerts version)
RES (A Little Man... version)
Ideal (radio session version)
Will Bleed Amen
The Everso Closely Guarded Line
Cabinet (Spratleys Japs)

m the g, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 22:43 (six years ago) Permalink

1. Buds And Spawn
2. Dog Like Sparky
3. Appealing To Venus
4. March
5. Manhoo
6. Fanny
7. Veronica in Ecstacy
8. Duck & Roger The Horse
9. It's A Lovely Day
10. Dirty Boy

Run Westy Run Megatorrent (MaresNest), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 22:45 (six years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

A capella version of Insect Hooves on Lassie, pretty interesting.

http://soundcloud.com/david-minnick/insect-hoofs-on-lassie

Pat Ast vs Jean Arp (MaresNest), Sunday, 16 September 2012 19:49 (five years ago) Permalink

Whoa! I am a total sucker for a capella arrangements and this is a thing of wonder.

(my first ever gig was seeing the Swingle Singers in Swindon Wyvern, how is that for rock'n'roll)

still small voice of clam (a passing spacecadet), Sunday, 16 September 2012 20:43 (five years ago) Permalink

Two more a capella Cardiacs covers on their Soundcloud too! This has made my week. (Lassie is the best but the others are pretty cool too)

still small voice of clam (a passing spacecadet), Sunday, 16 September 2012 20:46 (five years ago) Permalink

Hi David - I'm Mark Cawthra, and I'm here to tell you that I'm sitting with Tim right now playing him this fab version - He wants me to tell you how much he likes it, and he says he's really flattered that you would do this and do it so well. He says sorry he would write himself, but cannot so I'm doing it for him. As for me, I freaking love it too x

Haven't heard any updates on Tim for a good while, I wonder if things are getting any better for him

youre right that the other two covers aren't quite as good, but they definitely made me want to pull out STG again, I missed this album

frogbs, Monday, 17 September 2012 05:05 (five years ago) Permalink

I don't think Tim will recover, he is in a pretty bad way unfortunately.

Pat Ast vs Jean Arp (MaresNest), Monday, 17 September 2012 06:27 (five years ago) Permalink

nothing's really came out lately, last I heard was Kavus (nearly two years ago!) saying he's still functional but has good days and bad days, kind of sounded like one day he may recover but I guess if it hasn't happened by now...

frogbs, Monday, 17 September 2012 13:40 (five years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

^ ...which had already been posted a few posts above. Go me! At least a bunch more covers have been uploaded since.

chihuahuau, Saturday, 14 February 2015 17:06 (two years ago) Permalink

The greatest album of all time.

(A capella covers don't appeal though so I haven't listened to them)

ultros ultros-ghali, Saturday, 14 February 2015 18:04 (two years ago) Permalink

Yeah, the greatest album of all time.

However, this covers project can't be dismissed. I think it took me around 15 seconds of their Fiery Gun Hand before realising this as the insane and beautiful labour of love it truly is

not that sort of birdwatcher (imago), Saturday, 14 February 2015 21:13 (two years ago) Permalink

and by 'their', I mean 'his'. What a guy

not that sort of birdwatcher (imago), Saturday, 14 February 2015 21:21 (two years ago) Permalink

Am trying to get these guys to do a show on STG, it's a little left of their general criteria but they gots my money now, so I hope they'll go for it.

http://www.digmeoutpodcast.com/

MaresNest, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 22:06 (two years ago) Permalink

How did Dirty Boy not win this?? I feel like if more people had heard it, we could have just skipped the end of the 90s and started at the millennium.

Dominique, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 22:12 (two years ago) Permalink

Is that the one that sounds like a Queen song? Do they all sound like Queen songs minus the riffs and hooks?

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 00:20 (two years ago) Permalink

Dirty Boy is one of the greatest achievements in rock history obv obv but c'mon Flap Off You Beak and Dog-Like Sparky are two of the most utterly, intensely beautiful pop songs conceivable. The three are my favourite three tracks on my favourite album so it's hard to speak about them rationally but I don't have too much problem with the result here. One more Dirty Boy vote would have perfected it

bojaxhiu mother derive (imago), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 00:47 (two years ago) Permalink

it's no De Futura

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 00:56 (two years ago) Permalink

they're just a bit too "vacuum head tree" for me to get into

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 00:59 (two years ago) Permalink

I say this as a staunch Magma fan and, when necessary, apologist: Dirty Boy is better than De Futura

Dominique, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 01:01 (two years ago) Permalink

we can have both, maybe. although let me extend hearty cheers to dominique & #teamtim

bojaxhiu mother derive (imago), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 01:03 (two years ago) Permalink

i think Dominique was also a fan of the "vacuum head tree" style

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 01:03 (two years ago) Permalink

xp -- were you around for that hilarious episode in the annals of Sp0ckm0rgue?

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 01:04 (two years ago) Permalink

no, but vacuum head tree sounds about right

Dominique, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 01:06 (two years ago) Permalink

basically, it was a classic example of narcissism of small differences and involved Paul C0stur0s mis-naming and maligning a band beloved of another poster, and then more people jumped in and took sides.

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 01:11 (two years ago) Permalink

team not-Paul: we don't see why you dislike this band, they are totally like your bands and other bands you like
team Paul: we may be nerds and dorks, but we aren't so nerdy and dorky to get into vacuum head tree, sorry bro

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 01:15 (two years ago) Permalink

which band?

vacuum head tree disease (imago), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 01:26 (two years ago) Permalink

vacuum head tree!!! (except with words two and three reversed)

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 07:32 (two years ago) Permalink

The idea that someone could listen to say, Bellyeye, and think "This has no hooks" is fucking crazy to me.

I've tried listening to some vacuum tree head and they sound like an improv jazz ensemble clumsily attempting to prog out. Two things you could never accuse Cardiacs of being was loose and jazzy.

Pheeel, Thursday, 26 February 2015 21:29 (two years ago) Permalink

If anything it's hard to notice how complex rhythmically and melodically they are, since they're so catchy.

And I have no idea where this Queen comparison comes from, I mean Eat it up Worms Hero could possibly be compared to Bohemian Rhapsody if it was compressed to 2:30 minutes and melted in the microwave, idk.

ultros ultros-ghali, Saturday, 28 February 2015 18:18 (two years ago) Permalink

proncke

jiffadi pom (nakhchivan), Saturday, 28 February 2015 19:44 (two years ago) Permalink

think nakh and sarah might be prodding the tiger here tbh ultros

vacuum head tree disease (imago), Saturday, 28 February 2015 20:04 (two years ago) Permalink

Don't tease the octopus, kids

ultros ultros-ghali, Saturday, 28 February 2015 20:16 (two years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Hey all, so there's a Podcast called 'Dig Me Out' where they analyse and discuss a lot of lol 90s US and Brit indie/college rock type albums, you can donate money to make a request and I did this a few months back nominating STG.

They had never heard or heard of Cardiacs before (I guessed they might not have) I thought it would be good fun and potentially interesting. It's just been released.

http://www.digmeoutpodcast.com/

MaresNest, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 17:57 (two years ago) Permalink

Listening now and they're getting it, I'm quite heartened

MaresNest, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 18:00 (two years ago) Permalink

Direct link for the Flash-less: http://digmeout.podbean.com/mf/web/wq5ktj/225-cardiacs.mp3

chihuahuau, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 20:49 (two years ago) Permalink

:D they're grappling well

an absolute feast of hardcore fanboy LOLs surrounding (imago), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 21:14 (two years ago) Permalink

one of them has Eden On The Air as his favourite - he's the one who's struggling a bit more, though

an absolute feast of hardcore fanboy LOLs surrounding (imago), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 21:28 (two years ago) Permalink

& then he suggests that Dirty Boy could stand to lose its second half :O :( :'( X(

an absolute feast of hardcore fanboy LOLs surrounding (imago), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 21:30 (two years ago) Permalink

"There's a lot of instruments on this record, and I think they all play on every song"

hah

frogbs, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 12:24 (two years ago) Permalink

this is really great. seems like they're at a loss to explain how the album is even possible. I think they nailed it beyond the whole "wow this is crazy!" angle which is awesome. yeah that comment about "Dirty Boy" is pretty wtf but I think they mostly got it. thanks for doing this!

frogbs, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 12:53 (two years ago) Permalink

also lol @ the guy saying "there's that one song that's really really cool, but then there are these clanging syncopated guitars that don't even sync up, does that really need to be there?" with respect to "Fiery Gun Hand" I believe

frogbs, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 12:55 (two years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

I think Vacuum Tree Head is an excellent band, actually. Bro.

vacuumtreehead#1, Monday, 17 July 2017 15:49 (four months ago) Permalink

I'm not sure we'll ever resolve whether that's true

imago, Monday, 17 July 2017 15:54 (four months ago) Permalink


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