the landfill that time forgot: crap uk bands of 00s/10s

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Poll Results

OptionVotes
scouting for girls 20
mumford and sons 11
toploader 9
the futureheads 7
biffy clyro 7
razorlight 6
florence and the machine 5
the stereophonics 5
snow patrol 4
the fratellis 4
kasabian 4
kaiser chiefs 4
the kooks 3
joe lean and the jing jang jong 3
hard-fi 3
babyshambles 3
the zutons 2
the twang 2
hundred reasons 2
keane 2
the courteeners 2
starsailor 2
the cribs 1
noah and the whale 1
the ordinary boys 1
the hoosiers 1
the magic numbers 0
the enemy 0
the wombats 0
the view 0
the feeling 0
the rakes 0
the others 0
pigeon detectives 0
athlete 0


nulty dread (nakhchivan), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:31 (ten years ago) link

Oh God.

Pisle of dogs (seandalai), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:32 (ten years ago) link

Are we voting for redeeming features, heartfelt loathing or comedy value?

Pisle of dogs (seandalai), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:33 (ten years ago) link

heartfelt loathing or comedy value

nulty dread (nakhchivan), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:34 (ten years ago) link

thankfully haven't knowingly heard anything by at least half of these.

ledge, Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:34 (ten years ago) link

The Automatic seems like an important omission. They had that song.

Pisle of dogs (seandalai), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:34 (ten years ago) link

i am now actively trying to remember a song that i despise and would rather not give any more headroom to, just to figure out which of these fuckers is responsible

ledge, Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:36 (ten years ago) link

I always thought The Hoosiers were American for some reason.

nate woolls, Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:36 (ten years ago) link

Scouting For Girls are the shittiest band here, by a long way.

nate woolls, Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:37 (ten years ago) link

The Automatic seems like an important omission. They had that song.

― Pisle of dogs (seandalai), Thursday, February 17, 2011 3:34 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

I think I might like that song more than any song from any of these jokers.

Inevitable stupid dubstep mix (chap), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:40 (ten years ago) link

I always thought The Hoosiers were American for some reason.

almost got ^these guys confused with Hooters who are not at all the worst thing ever...

kingkongvsbasedgodzilla (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:40 (ten years ago) link

Actually Kaiser chiefs had a couple of decent choruses.

The Hoosiers are such a bunch of twats.

Inevitable stupid dubstep mix (chap), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:41 (ten years ago) link

Hang on, are we voting for the worst? That's kind of impossible.

Inevitable stupid dubstep mix (chap), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:44 (ten years ago) link

^^^
Scouting for Girls make me forget doors exist. By the second chorus of "She's So Lovely", I'm generally found whipping around the room looking for a small table to throw through a window so I can escape.

chandelier falling through a bar in a batman costume (dog latin), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:44 (ten years ago) link

At least the Automatic were good enough to ensure they remained a simple novelty band by releasing just one silly song and never bothering anyone again.

chandelier falling through a bar in a batman costume (dog latin), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:45 (ten years ago) link

wtf are the Futureheads doing here? Their first album was awesome from start to finish.

nate woolls, Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:46 (ten years ago) link

The View had a really good song on their second album called 5Rebecccas or something.

chandelier falling through a bar in a batman costume (dog latin), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:47 (ten years ago) link

It's quite impressive that even on a list containing Toploader, The Kooks and The View, Scouting For Girls are still the worst.

nate woolls, Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:47 (ten years ago) link

Florence & The Machine do not belong here, should be no girls in this poll unless they're playing bass.

Matt DC, Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:50 (ten years ago) link

athlete - CONTENDERS. Coldplay without the musical and lyrical savagery

babyshambles - couple of decent singles imo, clearly horrible people and fans but hey that's indie rock and roll

biffy clyro - CONTENDERS. I have never knowingly heard a Biffy Clyro song yet I can still smell them from here

florence and the machine - fucking horrible but hey sexism

hard-fi - don't really hate these much but remember I never read any music press or watch interviews ever

hundred reasons - don't remember much about them, some kind of comedy fake Metal band yeah?

joe lean and the jing jang jong - probably the biggest individual cunt on this cunt-packed list but fortunately never lived to inflict music on me. may have been some kind of LJ-ish performance art joke?

kaiser chiefs - CONTENDERS. Scum de la Scum, the sound of a service station convenience store on the M62 stamping on a human ear, forever

kasabian - CONTENDERS. Just enormous wonky tools, a cross between everything that's terrible about the Doors, Primal Scream and Oasis bafflingly adored by blokes with indie haircuts who turned thirty last year

keane - soft target soft scoop shite, too pop and occasionally pleasant to win this thing

mumford and sons - CONTENDERS. I honestly thought at the time that I wd never see anything worse than the Levellers while I lived

noah and the whale - jesus who are these gobshites?

pigeon detectives - got nothing, assume they're shit, I've probably heard something by them on account of the fucking terrible indie disco in the Piper on a Friday

razorlight - I quite like that "Trouble in America" song for some reason, clearly nothing to do with the horribleness of these Ikea no-marks

scouting for girls - CONTENDERS. I honestly have mutilation fantasies about these. Angry, angry fans for some reason

snow patrol - I liked that one about standing up but the one about lying down is the worst "give me a cuddle and a mug of soup" pandering shite I've ever heard in all my life

starsailor - quite funny. in retrospect. it hurt at the time

the courteeners - great band name, great lads, hope to fuck I never hear what they sound like

the cribs - fuck knows

the enemy - I honestly really like "We'll Live and Die etc etc" sorry

the feeling - I honestly really like that fill my little teacup up song except the lyrics, sweet tune and arrangement imo

the fratellis - CONTENDERS. the cunt's cunts

the futureheads - yeah cheers for the Kate Bush cover you useless sub-XTC-when-they-was-shit twats

the hoosiers - in many ways I hate these more than Scatting for Girls but they are sort of too risible plus their fans are less angry. they should drown in slurry tho

the kooks - is this the buskers band? EVIL BEYOND FUCKING BELIEF if so

the magic numbers - pleasant sub-Beautiful South middle-aged couple music iirc, can't place them here

the ordinary boys - I think the dude's suffered enough

the others - fuck knows

the rakes - hey hey it's the Strokees

the stereophonics - CONTENDERS. honoured too many times for their services to the cause of evil to get my vote here. don't think the dude's suffered enough

the twang - fuck knows. assume they're no Blak Twang

the view - or are these the buskers twats? fuck knows tbh

the wombats - are some of these made up?

the zutons - fucking shit but at least they had a sax which means hey they're not the worst fucking shit

toploader - ONE HIT CONTENDERS. clearly need to die, but the ex has suffered enough imo

I've got to vote Scouting for Girls in the end, but there's a special circle of hell where this whole gang is the playlist and I regret all the mean things I've said and done

Elmer Fuiud (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:52 (ten years ago) link

HArd to argue with SfG, but Chelsea Dagger is the shitehawk national anthem & may swing me to ver frats.

portrait of velleity (woof), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:53 (ten years ago) link

glad I have never heard most of these bands.

skip, Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:53 (ten years ago) link

i don't know why i'm doing this to myself... but maybe someone here can help me remember the terrible awful no-good song that was by one of these bands or someone like them. an xfm favourite a year or two ago, lyrical themes: don't be sad, you're still young, remember that time we took a record player somewhere and played some tunes, oh yeah that was top.

ledge, Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:53 (ten years ago) link

xps - I think the band that has annoyed me most often is actually The Fratellis.

Pisle of dogs (seandalai), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:54 (ten years ago) link

the stereophonics - CONTENDERS. honoured too many times for their services to the cause of evil to get my vote here. don't think the dude's suffered enough

he did kill himself to be fair

for all the fucked-up children of this world we give you 1p3 (history mayne), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:55 (ten years ago) link

I was aware of that.

Elmer Fuiud (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:56 (ten years ago) link

Holloways, Music Generator?

portrait of velleity (woof), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:56 (ten years ago) link

(an answer to ledge, that)

portrait of velleity (woof), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:57 (ten years ago) link

WHERE IS THE SCRIPT

Evan, Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:58 (ten years ago) link

xp that was it. thanks. "thanks". actually the name has not yet triggered any memory of the music, thank fuck.

ledge, Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:58 (ten years ago) link

xp - The Script are Irish iirc.

Pisle of dogs (seandalai), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:59 (ten years ago) link

i have never heard scouting for girls or read anything about them. can someone explain why they are the worst please?

Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:59 (ten years ago) link

Oh.

Evan, Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:00 (ten years ago) link

God I hate the Script though.

Evan, Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:00 (ten years ago) link

I'd forgotten all about The Zutons! (I guess that's probably for the best.)

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:00 (ten years ago) link

hmmmm

i think both the first futureheads album and the first rakes album are classics (haven't listened to the latter in years tbh but i fucked heavy w/ it when i was 17)

i've enjoyed a number of songs by snow patrol, the cribs, and, yes, razorlight

they had that song: the zutons, the magic numbers, kaiser chiefs, keane & hard-fi (i used to bang that one joint that was on fifa 06, maybe it was "cash machine"?)

the band on here that i've heard the most shitty music by is kasabian, and i'd be tempted to vote for them but really i can vote for no one besides joe lean and the jing jang jong, from the shitty name right on down to the fact that they made the cover of NME and still never made an album

pigeon detectives & scouting for girls are runners up

J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:01 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVLqo7C-WwA

seminal fuiud (NickB), Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:01 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlMfV7A3V00

seminal fuiud (NickB), Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:02 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oaOQ1cQwt4

Somehow, for me, The Killers made the song that even more than "Chelsea Dagger" sums up everything that this tremendous movement stands for.

It's a black hole of shite and terror.

Elmer Fuiud (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:03 (ten years ago) link

bands on this list i have knowingly heard:

babyshambles - horrible
florence and the machine - not my thing, but she doesn't belong in a UK indie landfill poll
kaiser chiefs - horrible, but not as bad as several of the others
kasabian - horrible
keane - horrible
mumford and sons - what the fucking fuck
snow patrol - horrible
the cribs - lol johnny marr
the futureheads - not actively offensive
the magic numbers - not actively offensive
the stereophonics - horrible

Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:04 (ten years ago) link

voted mumford & sons

Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:04 (ten years ago) link

wow i had no idea the killers had a song called "indie rock & roll" -- thank god i'm at work and have no way of listening to it

J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:04 (ten years ago) link

the wombats & the courteneers really bring me back to the time in high school where i used to read nme irl

J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:05 (ten years ago) link

I first heard the Killers track in a friend's car on a landfill compilation and assumed it was by one of the tossers on the list until I looked it up.

Elmer Fuiud (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:05 (ten years ago) link

Being completely candid, even though seeing the names listed like this makes my heart feel heavy and grey:

Like one song by: Athlete (1st album), Florence, Hard-Fi, Kasabian, Keane, Starsailor, Futureheads, Magic Numbers, Twang, View
Like a whole album by: Babyshambles, Rakes, Kaiser Chiefs

Voted Toploader.

DL, Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:06 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, Magic Numbers don't bother me at all, they're sweet overweight aging hippies who like to sing pleasant vocal harmonies.

Inevitable stupid dubstep mix (chap), Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:06 (ten years ago) link

you know who belonged on here even tho I liked a couple of their songs? Maximo Park

Elmer Fuiud (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:08 (ten years ago) link

Shiteness rating out of 10

ATHLETE - 9/10: really this is the point where post-Coldplay bands just started taking the piss. Also I think they were technically Christian rock.
BABYSHAMBLES - 7/10: Probably the worst live band I have ever seen but they get a couple of points taking off for car crash/amusement value.
BIFFY CLYRO - 7/10: Would probably be higher if I'd had more exposure to their fans and/or been to Reading in 10 years.
FLORENCE AND THE MACHINE - 4/10 - bit too much in the star quality stakes, also a couple of alright songs.
HARD-FI - 6/10 - awful clumsy shit but they get a couple of points knocked off because Hard To Beat was quite a good song, and they weren't the Ordinary Boys.
HUNDRED REASONS - 5/10 - too past-it and lol to be serious contenders here
JOE LEAN AND THE JING JANG JONG - 7/10 - obviously woeful but everybody knew it
KAISER CHIEFS - 10/10 genuine contenders
KASABIAN - 10/10 genuine contenders, also worst fans ever
KEANE - 2/10 basically too inoffensive
MUMFORD & CUNTS - 20/10
NOAH AND THE WHALE - 5/10 - no one can seriously vote for them when Mumford & Sons exist
PIGEON DETECTIVES - 10/10 worst shit ever
RAZORLIGHT - 10/10 also maybe more for Johnny Borrell factor
SCOUTING FOR GIRLS - 11/10 she's so luvverly, she's so luvverly, she's so luvverly, she's so luvverly, she's so luvverly, she's so luvverly, she's so luvverly, she's so luvverly
SNOW PATROL - 9/10 - they get a point knocked off for making DJ Martian so angry
STARSAILOR - 8/10 - obviously terrible but also kind of easy to ignore to matter how big they were
THE COURTEENERS - 6/10 - some Oasis shit, right?
THE CRIBS - 9/10, dude has one of the worst voices ever
THE ENEMY - can't even remember what they sounded like but I'll assume they were terrible so a straight 8/10
THE FEELING - I don't think I've actually knowingly heard one of their songs, 8/10 as I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt
THE FRATELLIS - 30/10 - Chelsea Dagger might be the worst thing that any of these bands have put out
THE FUTUREHEADS - 5/10 - feel a bit too credible to be here
THE HOOSIERS - 9/10, stupid name
THE KOOKS - 4/10 - hating on the Kooks feels a bit like hating on Keane, kneejerk "girls like this so it must be shit" hate
THE MAGIC NUMBERS - 5/10 - hilarious strop on Top of the Pops gives them a bit of leeway, also everyone's forgotten about them
THE ORDINARY BOYS - 10/10 - surely they were to 'ska' what Mumford & Sons are to 'folk'
THE OTHERS - honestly I have no idea what they sounded like but the sheer lack of ambition indicated by giving yourselves a name with absolutely no connotations whatsoever gets them a straight 10/10
THE RAKES - even Lethal Bizzle is probably embarassed about this lot now 8/10
THE STEREOPHONICS - okay they might actually rival Mumford & Sons 30/10
THE TWANG - 8/10 - fuck knows
THE VIEW - 9/10 - Cast more like
THE WOMBATS - 8/10 but at least they seem funny in retrospect
THE ZUTONS - 10/10 - die.
TOPLOADER - should fit in the Kooks/Keane mould except for the fact that Dancing In The Moonlight is one of the worst records ever made. 10/10

Matt DC, Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:11 (ten years ago) link

i have the biffy clyro album with the woman masturbating on the front. i do not recall the name of the record but the image stuck. the singles off that were v good and i suspect continue to be so.

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:12 (ten years ago) link

me = landfill indieprog

imago, Monday, 7 September 2020 12:51 (five months ago) link

Clearlake's Cedars definitely a glum classic

unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Monday, 7 September 2020 12:54 (five months ago) link

That's fascinating, see I've never heard of any of those bands but I bet they're much better (obviously) than the NME/XFM rubbish that was shoved down our ears during the 00s.

It's interesting to me as to why journalists turned away from actively promoting interesting/boundary-breaking groups during that decade, when previously they would have extolled MBV and Radiohead (for example) in the 90s or The Chameleons/Orange Juice in the 80s.

Perhaps those media outlets were becoming more corporatised and needed to sell an "image" of what UK music was to survive, rather than promoting weird/risky stuff?

Uncle Boomer Who Can Recall His Past Wives (Adept), Monday, 7 September 2020 12:56 (five months ago) link

And interesting point re ILM's non-indie rock-skewing, but then I'd point to the fact there are more albums by veteran UK guitar groups (ie PJ, SFA, Radiohead) in the poll than there are by new artists in the same vein. I doubt you would get that sort of result in any other decade.

Uncle Boomer Who Can Recall His Past Wives (Adept), Monday, 7 September 2020 13:00 (five months ago) link

What was this universe where Late of the Pier were not fashionable? They were hyped so hard, they had their first NME cover before their album even came out! There was a huge amount of hype around the whole ~Nu Rave~ thing, as the NME was trying to fashion it - but I think that the NME had lost cultural relevance in terms of driving (or even documenting) youth movements by that point.

What was the other big band from that scene? Ach, my senile brain cannot remember. They had a single called Golden Skans or something like that. The teenagers I knew around that time loved them.

Extractor Fan (Branwell with an N), Monday, 7 September 2020 13:03 (five months ago) link

LOL, The Klaxons, now that is a name I haven't heard in yonks.

https://www.nme.com/reviews/reviews-klaxons-9347-335522

Extractor Fan (Branwell with an N), Monday, 7 September 2020 13:05 (five months ago) link

Those bands were really quite shonky but there was something endearing about them after six years of good-hair-good-shoes hegemony. No one tries to lump the Klaxons in with the landfill.

Matt DC, Monday, 7 September 2020 13:09 (five months ago) link

LOTP weren't hyped enough! Should have been given the keys to the kingdom tbh.

Matt DC is a known Chap hater and cannot be trusted on this topic lol

Never took to Klaxons. Wonder why

imago, Monday, 7 September 2020 13:13 (five months ago) link

Clearlake's Cedars definitely a glum classic

― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Monday, 7 September 2020 12:54 (nineteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

It's really good but Lido is The One for me.

Electrelane fit into this metric somewhere too, as do British Sea Power

imago, Monday, 7 September 2020 13:14 (five months ago) link

I was specifically talking about the nu-rave era fwiw. I had forgotten The Chap existed but they were clearly something entirely different.

Matt DC, Monday, 7 September 2020 13:17 (five months ago) link

I too loved LOTP. gone too soon :(

unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Monday, 7 September 2020 13:22 (five months ago) link

...well, if they'd bothered to do a second album!

Extractor Fan (Branwell with an N), Monday, 7 September 2020 13:28 (five months ago) link

adept sez: "Perhaps those media outlets were becoming more corporatised and needed to sell an "image" of what UK music was to survive, rather than promoting weird/risky stuff?"

i'm not sure that "more corporatised" is the right framework exactly -- to me it's as much abt specific actors in earlier taste-wars (= former writers)* now having the more senior decsion-making role of "publisher" (= further up the corporate ladder, largely off-page but still hands-on) -- except rather than think clearly abt how the music-papers needed to be responding to a changing and multifarious world in front of them**, these specific actors simply preferred still to prosecute the ancient taste wars through biddable younger writers. in a sense this is LESS corporate (the corporate shd be coldly caring abt profit margins not whether the cheesy rock-cliche stance of someone's embittered youth is being manoeuvred towards triumph at last)

*(i have someone quite specific in mind but i'm not writing his name in clear on a public message-board lol)
**(inc.not just weird music but most black music and really a fvckton of "non-rock" non-retro music)

mark s, Monday, 7 September 2020 13:32 (five months ago) link

Perhaps a poll of this "sub-genre" could prove illuminating? ie, UK guitar bands that would have been raved about and critically feted had they not had the misfortune of originating in the era of the corporate indie press?

From my own limited knowledge, I would add Brakes to the bands listed already, along with Mclusky, whom I'm staggered didn't even get a mention in the 00s album poll thread.

And side-note, I agree the "nu rave" era is a different beast entirely, perhaps centring on Cut Copy's In Ghost Colours (though it's arguable if that fits the nu-rave criteria and they're Aussie rather than UK) which placed high in the 00s poll.

Uncle Boomer Who Can Recall His Past Wives (Adept), Monday, 7 September 2020 13:34 (five months ago) link

i'm not sure that "more corporatised" is the right framework exactly -- to me it's as much abt specific actors in earlier taste-wars (= former writers)* now having the more senior decsion-making role of "publisher" (= further up the corporate ladder, largely off-page but still hands-on) -- except rather than think clearly abt how the music-papers needed to be responding to a changing and multifarious world in front of them**, these specific actors simply preferred still to prosecute the ancient taste wars through biddable younger writers. in a sense this is LESS corporate (the corporate shd be coldly caring abt profit margins not whether the cheesy rock-cliche stance of someone's embittered youth is being manoeuvred towards triumph at last)

*(i have someone quite specific in mind but i'm not writing his name in clear on a public message-board lol)
**(inc.not just weird music but most black music and really a fvckton of "non-rock" non-retro music)

― mark s, Monday, 7 September 2020 14:32 (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yes that's an interesting point. I do wonder if it's the result of 80s/90s "indie kids" becoming middle-aged publishers/owners and looking nostalgically back to music that brings to mind those eras, rather than anything challenging?

Like the generational evolution of baby-boomer Rolling Stone eds trashing Husker Du or whoever in the 80s because they're looking for the next Grateful Dead.

Uncle Boomer Who Can Recall His Past Wives (Adept), Monday, 7 September 2020 13:37 (five months ago) link

this but with even more spiteful score-settling

mark s, Monday, 7 September 2020 13:41 (five months ago) link

Looking beyond the top 100, The Clientele have two albums in the 101-149 range, and there is Frightened Rabbit at 141. Hilariously, the only two "NME bands" in ILM's top 149 are Bloc Party at #146 and Franz Ferdinand at #149, one spot behind Broadcast's 4th best album of the decade.

Needless to say, I find this stuff fascinating.

― Uncle Boomer Who Can Recall His Past Wives (Adept)

They did seem fairly excited about Broadcast around The Noise Made By People. The album and Come On Let's Go got respectable positions in their end of year list. By the time Haha Sound and Tender Buttons came out they seemed to have moved on or maybe they just didn't fit this scene they were desperately trying to hold on to. They did that with a few bands who were way more consistent than their fleeting interest would suggest. The Clientele's Violet Hour got a very good review at the time but that was about it. Same goes for The Radio Dept who featured in their top 10 in 2003 but never again despite making even better albums further on.

Looking back I find it interesting some of the bands they barely acknowledged during that time. You would have thought that at least one person would have noticed Spoon at some point during that decade. Electrelane, Ted Leo & The Pharamacists, Phoenix (especially It's Never Been Like That which is basically a very good Strokes record in places), Jens Lekman, The Exploding Hearts, Camera Obscura and Cut Copy all seem like artists who could have fit in there somewhere.

kitchen person, Monday, 7 September 2020 14:20 (five months ago) link

FWIW publishers (the job title not the organisation) are usually directly on the hook for the commercial performance of the title down to the balance sheet level. NME had the more nebulously defined title of Brand Director as well which may have had something more to do with what Mark's talking about. In general the more copies you're selling the more leeway your editorial staff will have and if the overall sales trend has been downwards for 10-15 years it's going to hit a point where they go "yeah OK enough, more Oasis more Strokes now."

Obviously the point of all commercial publications aimed at young people is, when it comes down to it, to sell more shit to young people and I'd guess that you could learn a lot from looking at the changes in what's being advertised in the magazine over that extended period. When people fundamentally stop buying the things your advertisers are trying to sell that creates an additional pinch point even aside from circulation issues.

I don't know this for sure but my guess is that editorial budgets would have been slashed again and again over that period and the internet will have exacerbated that. Watering down the product was very much an IPC thing across the board.

So yeah "challenging music" isn't really going to be prioritised up against all that but you can probably pinpoint the legendarily disastrous Godspeed! You Black Emperor cover as the unequivocal end for all of that.

Matt DC, Monday, 7 September 2020 14:20 (five months ago) link

Sorry I should probably say re: publishers - directly on the hook for the commercial performance of the title down to the balance sheet level, but (with rare exceptions) also not powerful enough to be fully corporate, a lot of them are seen as expendable and can and will be moved on if they aren't performing, probably more so than a lot of editors.

Matt DC, Monday, 7 September 2020 14:27 (five months ago) link

re cost-cutting, didn't someone* upthread (or on another thread?) say something abt a fairly good nme website and comments ecology being devoloped in the late 90s and then more or less abandoned, at least in terms of maintenance or further development or even tweaking? -- which definitely suggests significant cost-cutting (as does the closure of MM of course)

*michael jones? koogs? sorry guys i'm usually quite good at telling you apart (applies double if it was someone else)

re publishers/brand-managers etc -- matt is right here of course, i'm half-projecting from my own (much much earlier) time at nme when the publisher was also more or less the brand-manager, and very much not a former writer or editor (at least not a music-press editor)

mark s, Monday, 7 September 2020 14:36 (five months ago) link

That happened right across the board after the dotcom bubble and might be a separate issue to the question of print budgets, or it might just be a case of sinking all boats. Pre-2000 NME had maybe twice as many words in it than the later version.

Matt DC, Monday, 7 September 2020 14:50 (five months ago) link

Also fwiw the NME message board was seriously terrible in ways the people running it probably couldn't control. Like it would be a thread entitled 'BEST BAND EVER' and you'd click through the first post would go 'STONE ROSES' and there'd be a loads of 'yes mate' type responses and then maybe a 'fuck off, Manic Street Preachers' and then there'd be a half arsed fight. There's only so much you can do when your readers are right there in large numbers telling you what they are (also why Pitchfork's best move was to allow no comments or community engagement ever).

Matt DC, Monday, 7 September 2020 15:02 (five months ago) link

Best Band Ever. Official Poll

mise róna (seandalai), Monday, 7 September 2020 23:31 (five months ago) link

Faux Starp

Mark G, Monday, 7 September 2020 23:34 (five months ago) link

Tell me more about the GYBE! cover feature at NME and why it was disastrous.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 02:23 (five months ago) link

i'd like to hear about that, too

alpine static, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 07:26 (five months ago) link

https://www.brainwashed.com/godspeed/deadmetheney/images/nme/nme1.jpg

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 07:47 (five months ago) link

it was a about a band that (almost) no-one listens to, with no singer, one blurry photo and a couple of short quotes. so no-one really cared

haha just noticed the same issue attempted to stoke the "fight" between Mogwai (see gybe, above) and Blur which was Blur and their fans and whatever NME readship was left not giving a shit and Mogwai getting a good run on merch

オニモ (onimo), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 13:54 (five months ago) link

I believe at the time it was the lowest-selling issue ever? Also wow they were really going hard on post-rock at that point, the implied 'well if GYBE's not your thing here's some Mogwai!'

Matt DC, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 13:58 (five months ago) link

At that point NME was reviewing quite a range of stuff, from chart pop to post-rock (that's my memory of it). I started posting on ILM two years after that issue and it didn't seem like a massive leap.

I also remember reading angry letters, some of which I thought were made up but maybe not, given our Landfill future.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 14:08 (five months ago) link

NME cover connections

https://sites.create-cdn.net/siteimages/5/5/8/55872/69/7/2/6972232/246x317.jpg

nashwan, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 15:46 (five months ago) link

Cover connections continued
http://lucyobrien.co.uk/content/5-journalism/youth-suicide-nme.jpg

Piedie Gimbel, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 16:08 (five months ago) link

not quite but

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/8CsAAOSwwiVfEtYY/s-l400.jpg

オニモ (onimo), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 16:14 (five months ago) link

I did like the long blondes

Believe a friend of ILX0r orion named Kevin P used to manage them, maybe dated one of them and released some of their stuff in the US on his label What’s Your Rupture?

Quit It And Hit It Sideways (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 17:37 (five months ago) link

occasional poster Raw Patrick is married to one of them, iirc, yes

imago, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 17:46 (five months ago) link

The only Google hits for the phrase "radar in a bikini" are that 1986 NME cover and an excerpt from a 2015 romance novel:

"And we couldn't do that from the Bahamas?" She stroked his neck, letting her thumbs play lightly along the edge of his jaw. "Just picture it. Under the radar...in a bikini."

Wonder what the NME thing was about.

anatol_merklich, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 19:59 (five months ago) link

Not married but we do have a joint mortgage, a dog and chickens so that's near enough.

I met Kevin P in NY once and discussed obscure Slampt act the Kid Lemon.

Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 09:04 (five months ago) link

radar was the name the nme's media section (films, tv, comics etc) -- i think there was a special (written by edwin pouncey aka savage pencil) on trashy bikini-beach type movies? blast-off girls and so on? "radar in a bikini" is very much the kind of title they wd have used to trail that

i mean there WAS a special on this, i just don't remember if it was in this issue -- i do remember that the editor of the section misplaced (and possibly completely lost) all of pouncey's precious visual material, posters and stills and such and spent days tidying up his corner of the office in the hopes of turning them up

mark s, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 09:49 (five months ago) link

Radar in a Bikini would be a great band name.

Dan Worsley, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 09:55 (five months ago) link

i had the youth suicide cover up on my bedroom wall

lol

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 09:58 (five months ago) link

in fact there was a run of 4 "issues" issues of the NME that it belonged to, me and my friend rechristened our semi-hypothetical musical project BLACK YOUTH SEX SUICIDE to mark the occasion

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 10:00 (five months ago) link

i'd forgotten most of this until i saw that cover, including what year these things happened

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 10:01 (five months ago) link

I remember the reviews section featured headshots of each of 'The Critics' in the late 90s/early 00s which was very comical

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 11:56 (five months ago) link

I like the Long Blondes too, pass it on!

kinder, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 12:09 (five months ago) link

lol i forgot how hard critics hyped those first couple gybe! albums at the time. it would’ve worked if gybe! weren’t fucking awful.

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 16:33 (five months ago) link

radar was the name the nme's media section

ah right that rings a bell, thanks!

anatol_merklich, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 21:28 (five months ago) link

five months pass...

Randomly thought of this momentous thread yesterday and it turns out it's ten years old :/

hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 13:31 (two weeks ago) link

Big thanks to kitchen person in this thread for putting me on to The Radio Dept. - have been thoroughly enjoying their output since last September.

Noodle Vague's run-down of the CONTENDERS from 2011 belongs in some sort of ILM Hall of Fame. It really is staggering how many verifiably awful bands all conspired to become famous and inescapable around the same time. I moved to the UK from Oz in 2005 so I blame myself.

Uncle Boomer Who Can Recall His Past Wives (Adept), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 15:47 (two weeks ago) link

Am I a dumbass for thinking “Shut Your Eyes” by Snow Patrol is a good song?

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 18 February 2021 16:09 (two weeks ago) link

Remember the band South? I actually liked them and it holds up tbh. Are they a CONTENDER here? Or outside the category entirely?

Evan, Thursday, 18 February 2021 16:30 (two weeks ago) link


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