Anticipate Raekwon - Shaolin vs. Wu Tang

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what does the title mean?

some dude, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 13:46 (six years ago) Permalink

Shaolin vs. Wu-Tang was a Gordon Liu kung fu movie.

Shaolin and Wudangguan are the two types of Chinese kung fu.

In the movie, the Shaolin monks and Wu-Tang monks were separate sects (Wu-Tang being a fictitious one) who began as part of the same Shaolin temple, but split when a group of dissatisfied Shaolin monks splintered off to form their own sect.

Wudangquan martial arts are real, but the Wu-Tang Clan in the movies was fictonal.

It has some badass fight sequences...everyone rent it

pon de river, pon deez nuts (San Te), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 14:02 (six years ago) Permalink

thank you for the info

Whiney G. Wudangquan (some dude), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 14:15 (six years ago) Permalink

The album title comes from another loose idea that Raekwon had in reaction to Wu-tang's 8 diagrams album. It was going to be a clan album without RZA, as the majority of the clan weren't happy with 8 diagrams album. It had a loose relationship with the film too - The rest of the clan(Wu-tang?) vs. RZA(Shaolin?). The album didn't materialise and Raekwon took the concept and made this instead.

historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 14:18 (six years ago) Permalink

did anyone ever figure out where the name Raekwon comes from

I, Mr. Sneer Joy (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 16:25 (six years ago) Permalink

also 8 Diagrams is terrible, rest of Wu Tang Clan OTM

I, Mr. Sneer Joy (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 16:25 (six years ago) Permalink

chop chop ninja is a pretty sweet song title

he do the waka lyfe (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 16:25 (six years ago) Permalink

kick, punch, you all remember
raekwon master chef, yes forever

nu-bay rising (gorf), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 16:28 (six years ago) Permalink

RZA should be producing more Raekwon shit

billstevejim, Thursday, 17 February 2011 01:57 (six years ago) Permalink

colour me excited, naturally. listening to too much wu recently has reminded me how fucking good rae is. he fucking owns The W, for example.

if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 17 February 2011 02:02 (six years ago) Permalink

RZA's fallen off so hard since Iron Flag I'm pretty much okay with his current schedule of not producing anything

never meant to heart anyone (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 February 2011 03:46 (six years ago) Permalink

The album didn't materialise and Raekwon took the concept and made this instead.

seems more like it split into Wu-Massacre and this

The Marquis de Sade Adu (sic), Thursday, 17 February 2011 04:39 (six years ago) Permalink

RZA's fallen off so hard since Iron Flag I'm pretty much okay with his current schedule of not producing anything

― never meant to heart anyone (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, February 16, 2011 7:46 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I'd say after Pretty Toney/No Said Date, but pretty much ^this.

banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 17 February 2011 09:01 (six years ago) Permalink

I was at the London press launch with Lex a few weeks back, here's what I wrote about it:

http://iheartau.com/blog/album-preview-raekwon-shaolin-vs-wu-tang/

(Was based on a solitary listen through an iPod dock)

Darren Huckerby (Dwight Yorke), Thursday, 17 February 2011 09:03 (six years ago) Permalink

more importantly you have a track on there to hear?

if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 17 February 2011 10:13 (six years ago) Permalink

deep, deep Mobb Deep pianos

ummm...

i know havoc will produce on this but...

WU DID THIS FIRST.

if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 17 February 2011 10:14 (six years ago) Permalink

apologies.

Darren Huckerby (Dwight Yorke), Thursday, 17 February 2011 10:21 (six years ago) Permalink

that's ok, i forgive you. and your brains must rest easier to not have heard mobb deep before havoc started pretending to be rza.

if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 17 February 2011 10:37 (six years ago) Permalink

I'm really looking forward to this. I wasn't initially thrilled with Cuban Linx Part II and it still is vastly inferior to the original but I've grown to like it quite a bit on repeat listens.

Cocainism Vol. 2 I liked on first listen but need a few more.

sarah, palin and tall (San Te), Thursday, 17 February 2011 11:53 (six years ago) Permalink

I'd say after Pretty Toney/No Said Date, but pretty much ^this

ah yeah that's more accurate. his stuff on both of those is great

never meant to heart anyone (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:25 (six years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlMsNGInjt0

am0n, Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:33 (six years ago) Permalink

that's from 2000.

Iron Flag was 2001.

Pretty Toney was 2004

never meant to heart anyone (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:37 (six years ago) Permalink

that was not in response to u

am0n, Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:40 (six years ago) Permalink

he fucking owns The W, for example.

― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, February 16, 2011 9:02 PM

am0n, Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:41 (six years ago) Permalink

ach nm

never meant to heart anyone (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:47 (six years ago) Permalink

i thought this was good tho and was hoping it would herald his return to making classic beats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jP1PliAiuc

am0n, Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:55 (six years ago) Permalink

the couple of beats he has on that are good, but it's not like they're album standouts or anything

never meant to heart anyone (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 February 2011 17:00 (six years ago) Permalink

raekwon feat. nas - rich and black

yes it is this beat again.

historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Monday, 28 February 2011 20:34 (six years ago) Permalink

"black & rich" is great. idk i find nas sounds kind of horrible on it, some lines in partic at least, but rae is on top of his game (ayo im rich black umbrella calico captain wes craven with a blade in the back); (eatin chow lo mein with chop sticks glocks wit aim watermelon chips, pop champagne). the album is pretty good, some of it stuff is a bit uninspired but when its hot its hot. molasses, shares sample from duel of the iron mic, is maybe my favourite so far (see demons schemin, niggas get live in the beacon, i'm sure to shank shit up like morgan freeman < lol)

flopson, Thursday, 3 March 2011 05:50 (six years ago) Permalink

rae's culinary vocabulary reaches new heights

flopson, Thursday, 3 March 2011 05:51 (six years ago) Permalink

chef and based god should do a cooking track together imo

banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 3 March 2011 08:45 (six years ago) Permalink

haha, that would crash nah right's servers

pascal's swagger (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 3 March 2011 08:48 (six years ago) Permalink

odd future should do a collabo with wu tang just so they can shout out WOLF TANG or WU GANG or GOLF TANG or whatever.

historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Thursday, 3 March 2011 11:55 (six years ago) Permalink

I heard OF dissed gravediggaz tho, hahaha

historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Thursday, 3 March 2011 11:56 (six years ago) Permalink

GOLF TANG

HOOStory is back. Fasten your steenbelts. (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 3 March 2011 14:05 (six years ago) Permalink

'm sure to shank shit up like morgan freeman

loooooool

ridiculous, uncalled for slap (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 March 2011 16:32 (six years ago) Permalink

I like a good punchline

ridiculous, uncalled for slap (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 March 2011 16:32 (six years ago) Permalink

best beat on the album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGC7DJ0CDIA

rock n roll kind of sucks. sounds like a lot of the beats off fishscale, which i really liked, but worse? and that hook is just inexcusable garbage

flopson, Thursday, 3 March 2011 17:05 (six years ago) Permalink

some download this & post about it

flopson, Thursday, 3 March 2011 23:28 (six years ago) Permalink

i listened once already but it didn't really make much of an impression

ciderpress, Friday, 4 March 2011 01:39 (six years ago) Permalink

: \

flopson, Friday, 4 March 2011 01:46 (six years ago) Permalink

I really like this so far, better than Cuban Linx too. the production's nice and exotic, and the production on the title track is massive. "Crane Style" is great too.

orville reddenflocka (San Te), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 21:58 (six years ago) Permalink

better than Cuban Linx 2 I mean....

orville reddenflocka (San Te), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 21:58 (six years ago) Permalink

better than Cuban Linx too

the original or the sequel?

hahaha... thank god you cleared that up

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 21:59 (six years ago) Permalink

I was about to leave work immediately to go cop this.

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 21:59 (six years ago) Permalink

lol yea ain't THAT good.....lol

orville reddenflocka (San Te), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 22:01 (six years ago) Permalink

what are the true keys to bein a ninja?
dressin all black perfect vision and the movement is in silence

^lol

flopson, Wednesday, 9 March 2011 01:46 (six years ago) Permalink

can't tell if it will be as popular w/ internet ppl as cl2. it's not as cinematic & epic, also doesn't have nearly as much hype behind it (obv) but i think it's kind of better & it's got kung fu samples & production really hits a nostalgic early wu nerve. i guess it won't tho, two albums in a row in such short sequence, not much crossover stuff

rock n'roll has grown on me :s

flopson, Wednesday, 9 March 2011 01:58 (six years ago) Permalink

I like rock' roll other than the horrid chorus, as you pointed out.

Part of me also geeks out that I've now seen the movies that they pull soundbytes from.

I agree this is better...has the cinema without being a Rza cop in his absence

orville reddenflocka (San Te), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 02:12 (six years ago) Permalink

i even like the hook now hahaha i am shameless tho

flopson, Wednesday, 9 March 2011 02:16 (six years ago) Permalink

Lol maybe it'll grow on me.

orville reddenflocka (San Te), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 02:19 (six years ago) Permalink

This is really solid, and better than OB4CL2 for me. It's denser, all of one piece, harder, more intense. Almost claustrophobic, which feels like the mood that suits Chef best.

paulhw, Saturday, 12 March 2011 01:29 (six years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, and the beat for Snake Pond is one of the best he's ever had. His voice and flow is just right - amazing.

paulhw, Saturday, 12 March 2011 01:44 (six years ago) Permalink

i like this a lot too

deej, Saturday, 12 March 2011 01:49 (six years ago) Permalink

wow i didnt think this would be any good (mustve been the cover art) -- sounds like i need to cop this tho

thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Saturday, 12 March 2011 01:49 (six years ago) Permalink

yea repeat listens have reaffirmed my initial opinion. and ditto on "Snake Pond". that shit is dope.

BIG HOOSIERS aka the Genedriver (San Te), Saturday, 12 March 2011 13:57 (six years ago) Permalink

2 of 10 review on NME

So, you’re a founding member of the legendary hip-hip combo Wu Tang Clan. And your fans are extremely pissed because you went and done a track with that Justin Bieber.

So you decide to kick it old school, and you get in your old pals Ghostface and Rick Ross and Busta and Method Man. And hey, Estelle’s a fan, so why don’t you put her on the track ‘Chop Chop Ninja’? And, tell you what, we’ll use samples from westerns – like the hammy ‘Snake Pond’!

There’d better be a track to please the manager, let’s use the box-ticking ‘Rock N Roll’, complete with Auto-Tune and Pendulum-esque breakdown. And let’s end the album chanting “Wu-Tang” to fade! That’ll show ’em!

BIG HOOSIERS aka the Genedriver (San Te), Saturday, 12 March 2011 15:07 (six years ago) Permalink

great review, dick. says nothing about the music.

BIG HOOSIERS aka the Genedriver (San Te), Saturday, 12 March 2011 15:08 (six years ago) Permalink

not to mention Rae hasn't ever quit working with Method Man and Ghostface.

BIG HOOSIERS aka the Genedriver (San Te), Saturday, 12 March 2011 15:08 (six years ago) Permalink

"get in your old pals Rick Ross"

Samuel (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 12 March 2011 15:48 (six years ago) Permalink

wait...the NME doesn't get Raekwon? my mind is blown

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 12 March 2011 16:20 (six years ago) Permalink

lol yea the Rick Ross line made me 'wtf'

BIG HOOSIERS aka the Genedriver (San Te), Saturday, 12 March 2011 16:33 (six years ago) Permalink

Lol that guy knows what Pendulum sounds like

Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 12 March 2011 16:57 (six years ago) Permalink

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/15210-shaolin-vs-wu-tang/

deej otm

flopson, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 05:49 (six years ago) Permalink

^^ good review deej

ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 15:26 (six years ago) Permalink

Can't believe I'm saying this in 2011, but the Busta verse on "Crane Style" is THE SHIT, dudes.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Saturday, 19 March 2011 18:01 (six years ago) Permalink

i can't remember the last thing i heard busta on - the ghostface record?, maybe? - but the verse was pretty good, his flow's got all jazzy

your LiveJournal experience (schlump), Saturday, 19 March 2011 21:19 (six years ago) Permalink

really feel like deej...err...D-40 hit the nail on the head w/ the description, and pitchfork got the score right.

sometimes magic sounds like tape (San Te), Saturday, 19 March 2011 21:22 (six years ago) Permalink

crane style is my fav track here i think

ciderpress, Saturday, 19 March 2011 21:29 (six years ago) Permalink

yea that's a def highlite

sometimes magic sounds like tape (San Te), Saturday, 19 March 2011 21:29 (six years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

this record is getting lots of repeat action from me - it didn't really land that hard the first time I heard it but the vibe is pretty fuckin cohesive to my ears

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 05:29 (six years ago) Permalink

kinda bummehttp://blog.devstone.com/images/emote_ellipsis.giftill haven't been able to hear this

in my world of ugly tribadists (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:53 (six years ago) Permalink

wtf is with this rolling ellipses thing now...?

in my world of ugly tribadists (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:54 (six years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_-gwjRBfqg

flopson, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 19:53 (six years ago) Permalink

'HAHAHA he look like a chipmunk' :D

historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 21:26 (six years ago) Permalink

i still haven't gotten round to this

banjee trillness (The Reverend), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 21:59 (six years ago) Permalink

so this is pretty good, huh

k3vin k., Friday, 15 April 2011 21:51 (six years ago) Permalink

rev the title track is a "broken language" bite and it's not a bad one either

k3vin k., Friday, 15 April 2011 21:51 (six years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

holy shit

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 7 September 2017 20:04 (one week ago) Permalink

tbf this was bound to happen

Οὖτις, Thursday, 7 September 2017 20:33 (one week ago) Permalink

I have not carefully listened to the album, which is a double CD

niels, Thursday, 7 September 2017 21:21 (one week ago) Permalink


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