Down Along the POLL: Bob Dylan JOHN WESLEY HARDING

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I don't think we've done this, and haven't had a Dylan poll in a while. Plus, love this album so much.

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Poll Results

OptionVotes
"I'll Be Your Baby Tonight" – 2:34 7
"I Dreamed I Saw St. Augustine" – 3:53 7
"Dear Landlord" – 3:16 6
"The Ballad of Frankie Lee and Judas Priest" – 5:35 5
"All Along the Watchtower" – 2:31 4
"The Wicked Messenger" – 2:02 3
"Drifter's Escape" – 2:52 2
"As I Went Out One Morning" – 2:49 2
"John Wesley Harding" – 2:58 1
"I Am a Lonesome Hobo" – 3:19 0
"I Pity the Poor Immigrant" – 4:12 0
"Down Along the Cove" – 2:23 0


something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 7 February 2011 20:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

This is one of the few Dylan albums (well, at least from the 60s and 70s) that I don't yet have, not sure why I don't though. That said, I do absolutely adore "The Ballad of Frankie Lee".

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 7 February 2011 20:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

My shortlist: As I Went Out One Morning, Watchtower, Frankie Lee and Judas Priest, Dear Landlord, The Wicked Messenger, I'll Be Your Baby Tonight. So, uh, half the album.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 7 February 2011 20:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

Totally essential album, fwiw. Not really quiet like any other Dylan record, it's got its own sound and vibe and mythos.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 7 February 2011 20:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

this is my favorite dylan record

voting Dear Landlord but i will listen later and inevitably change my mind

ciderpress, Monday, 7 February 2011 20:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

Not really quite like, I mean. Though actually it is quiet in a sort of sinister way.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 7 February 2011 20:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Dear Landlord" would be in my Dylan PO5, so that.

Groovy Goulet (pixel farmer), Monday, 7 February 2011 20:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh lord the joe cocker version of dear landlord i just watched on youtube is rough

bear, bear, bear, Monday, 7 February 2011 20:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Dear Landlord" over "I'll Be Your Baby Tonight". A friend of mine once described this album as the work of an "acoustic power-trio", & I though that was right on: for an album of such superficially mellow grooves the album is totally hard, like, martial. I love the way the bass is mixed; the rhythm guitar is just that, while the bass is the lead sound.

Euler, Monday, 7 February 2011 20:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

so hard to imagine what people thought when they dropped the needle on this record in '68! i mean, after Blonde On Blonde, this is a wildly different record, in almost every way imaginable.

tylerw, Monday, 7 February 2011 20:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

In its slower moments the grooves aren't so different from the album version of "Visions of Johanna", though. Lyrically & vocally, obviously it's a different bag...

Euler, Monday, 7 February 2011 20:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, just that BoB is such a colorful fantasia and this one seems so stark.
totally weird to think that dylan asked robbie robertson and garth hudson to overdub parts on to JWH, but Robertson told him to keep it the way it was. at least that's what robbie claims.

tylerw, Monday, 7 February 2011 20:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

Watchtower.

What a strange record for a young man in his mid 20s to make.

kornrulez6969, Monday, 7 February 2011 20:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

this my fave dylan as well... god it's hard to choose.

not everything is a campfire (ian), Monday, 7 February 2011 20:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

was ready to vote "I Threw It All Away" but lol wrong album. I'm not so fond of this record tbh

bien-pensant vibe (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 February 2011 20:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

don't talk crazy shakey.

not everything is a campfire (ian), Monday, 7 February 2011 20:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

this is really tuff

country dub!

pajamagram sam (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 7 February 2011 21:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think it's got some of dylan's most fascinating writing on it. just how the format of songs like "frankie lee" or "st. augustine" kind of set you up for a resolution that never comes, a really canny use of the folk song. even when he's like here's the moral of this story in "frankie lee" you're like, what? that's the moral? the songs kind of swallow themselves up in that way. it's cool. (don't know if that made any sense lol).

tylerw, Monday, 7 February 2011 21:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

the bass sounds so awesome on this record

i'm kinda stuck between wicked messenger (but i kinda prefer the faces version) and dear landlord

pajamagram sam (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 7 February 2011 21:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah bass is major on this. don't think i can cast a vote tbh

bear, bear, bear, Monday, 7 February 2011 21:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

An album I never really took to, though I tried many times. I do see how it was an important in the context of its times. (I think it was the Rolling Stone reviewer--Landau?--who argued that by not mentioning the war, that was in and of itself a major statement on the war.)

clemenza, Monday, 7 February 2011 21:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah that's kinda what i meant about how weird this record must've seemed right when it came out. i'm sure people were expecting some kind of STATEMENT from Dylan, but he handed them a bunch of inscrutable folk riddles.

tylerw, Monday, 7 February 2011 21:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

He arranged a new version of "I Dreamed I Saw St Augustine" in the mid eighties with the Heartbreakers: he got some soul sisters adding harmonies. I would have love to hear it.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 February 2011 21:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

i've got that on bootleg. it's pretty good! those songs are cool live, i don't even think dylan knows what they're about.

tylerw, Monday, 7 February 2011 21:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Drifter's Escape," "Dear Landlord," and "Down Along the Cove" are all favorites, but "I'll Be Your Baby Tonight" has that pedal steel guitar.

Brad C., Monday, 7 February 2011 21:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

after giving the whole thing a listen, kinda gotta go with I'll Be Your Baby Tonight

bien-pensant vibe (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 February 2011 21:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

title track

Overend Wattstax (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 7 February 2011 21:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

As I Went Out One Morning pips I'll Be Your Baby Tonight.

historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'm sure people were expecting some kind of STATEMENT from Dylan, but he handed them a bunch of inscrutable folk riddles.

True tho there is a fairly consistent sense of ... I don't know if dread is the right word, but something like it. Except for the last two songs, which sort of neatly close out the album on a gentler note. And "I'll Be Your Baby" pretty much directly points the way to Nashville Skyline. But up until then, there's a lot of weirdness, definite bad-dream vibe.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 7 February 2011 22:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think i've considered each of these songs a favorite on this record at some point. dear landlord, watchtower, lonesome hobo, baby tonight, drifter's escape, as i went out one morning ...must listen this week and figure it out!

this definitely became my favorite dylan record in the last few years.

city worker, Monday, 7 February 2011 22:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Friday, 11 February 2011 00:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Wicked Messenger" The Faces version is cool too.

Your cousin, Marvin Cobain (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 11 February 2011 00:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

so is Patti Smith's.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 February 2011 00:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

as i went out one morning kills it

69, Friday, 11 February 2011 00:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

finally settled on "frankie lee and judas priest." the last line is one of my favorite dylan lines.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Friday, 11 February 2011 02:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

always liked joan baez' version of "st. augustine"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKlmc8HpkI4

tylerw, Friday, 11 February 2011 02:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

This is my favorite Dylan album too - and I've listened to a lot of Dylan. It's hard to pick just one track, but maybe I'd go with "I Dreamed I Saw St. Augustine".

o. nate, Friday, 11 February 2011 02:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

Very weird album. His first with no city imagery. Great bass sound. He seems like he's singing in character on virtually every song-- he often seemed that way, of course, but not in the same way is this. It's like it's the *same character* on every song. Not in my top 10 Dylan albums but I like it.

Mark, Friday, 11 February 2011 04:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

You know what album in his catalog this resembles, kind of? Slow Train Coming.

Mark, Friday, 11 February 2011 04:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Saturday, 12 February 2011 00:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

that's weird.

j., Saturday, 12 February 2011 05:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

"I Pity the Poor Immigrant" – 4:12 0

have we at last found a song too brutal for ilm

ciderpress, Saturday, 12 February 2011 06:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Charlie McCoy on bass and Kenny Buttrey on drums combine to be one of the all-time great rhythm sections ever on this album

btw, the mono version of this has even more bass, sounds soooo good

ilx snitch (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 18:40 (four years ago) Permalink

I have yet to get around to Self Portrait but this is probably my least favorite Dylan album of all the 60s and 70s stuff. not that it's bad, it's more that it's appealfeels more limited. it's such a stark, cold sounding record. lyrically so many of the songs seem to go nowhere, they're even more inscrutable than usual, and the stripped down arrangements don't really appeal to me, even though the playing is undeniably solid. it lacks the colorful lyrics and arrangements of the previous records, nor does it have the slapdash warmth of subsequent ones.

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 19:30 (four years ago) Permalink

shakes you haven't gotten the another self-portrait bootleg 2CD?? you're missing out!

ilx snitch (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 19:55 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah it is great. only complaint is that they didn't dig up any radical JWH outtakes! probably because they don't exist. but the Band / Isle of Wight versions of some JWH are killer.

tylerw, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 19:57 (four years ago) Permalink

I'm totally curious about it but I am poor and make pretty selective music purchasing choices these days (ie who needs my money more, Bob Dylan or E-40)

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 20:04 (four years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

I approve of these rankings. Nice write up too.

o. nate, Monday, 3 December 2018 15:50 (one week ago) Permalink

wondering if the JWH outtakes will show up in some kinda copyright protection deal this month — they are in the hands of collectors, but they've never circulated. would certainly be interesting to hear, say, take 1 of "watchtower."

tylerw, Monday, 3 December 2018 18:14 (one week ago) Permalink

hadn't thought of that but now I'm excited.

niels, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 11:43 (one week ago) Permalink

I had been a Dylan holdout for a long time before a friend said you know, I bet you’d like this weird little record. And of course I fell for it completely, and then Time Out of Mind came out and blew my head off.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:53 (one week ago) Permalink

this is bob's best album ever imo

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:56 (one week ago) Permalink

Well, Alfred, I don't agree at all with your rankings, but I will say this: at least you put the correct album at the bottom.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 22:53 (one week ago) Permalink

More good JWH content in this thread: Dylan's John Wesley Harding vs. nothing in particular

o. nate, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 01:40 (one week ago) Permalink

I had been a Dylan holdout for a long time before a friend said you know, I bet you’d like this weird little record. And of course I fell for it completely, and then Time Out of Mind came out and blew my head off.

― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK),

It bored my head off

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 02:52 (one week ago) Permalink

?!
What did you think of "Love and Theft"?

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 7 December 2018 20:00 (five days ago) Permalink

top five if not top three Dylan

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 December 2018 20:08 (five days ago) Permalink

Love this album. What outtakes, Tyler?

Duke, Friday, 7 December 2018 20:47 (five days ago) Permalink

Ok, I've found this explainer by some dude called Tyler Wilcox. Must think he's some sorta Dylan expert.

https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/1157-beyond-the-bootlegs-bob-dylans-unreleased-holy-grails/

Duke, Friday, 7 December 2018 20:51 (five days ago) Permalink

Here's the rundown from Bjorner:

Columbia Studio A
Nashville, Tennessee
17 October 1967
1st John Wesley Harding session, produced by Bob Johnston.
1. Drifter's Escape
2. Drifter's Escape
3. Drifter's Escape
4. Drifter's Escape
5. Drifter's Escape
6. I Dreamed I Saw St. Augustine
7. I Dreamed I Saw St. Augustine
8. I Dreamed I Saw St. Augustine
9. I Dreamed I Saw St. Augustine
10. The Ballad Of Frankie Lee And Judas Priest

Columbia Studio A
Nashville, Tennessee
6 November 1967
2nd John Wesley Harding session, produced by Bob Johnston.

1. All Along The Watchtower
2. All Along The Watchtower
3. All Along The Watchtower
4. All Along The Watchtower
5. All Along The Watchtower
6. John Wesley Harding
7. John Wesley Harding
8. As I Went Out One Morning
9. As I Went Out One Morning
10. As I Went Out One Morning
11. As I Went Out One Morning
12. As I Went Out One Morning
13. I Pity The Poor Immigrant
14. I Pity The Poor Immigrant
15. I Pity The Poor Immigrant
16. I Pity The Poor Immigrant
17. I Pity The Poor Immigrant
18. I Pity The Poor Immigrant
19. I Pity The Poor Immigrant
20. I Pity The Poor Immigrant
21. I Pity The Poor Immigrant
22. I Pity The Poor Immigrant
23. I Am A Lonesome Hobo
24. I Am A Lonesome Hobo
25. I Am A Lonesome Hobo
26. I Am A Lonesome Hobo
27. I Am A Lonesome Hobo

tylerw, Friday, 7 December 2018 21:08 (five days ago) Permalink

and then there's one more session with the pedal steel player, but I don't think there are outtakes from that? Anyway, not sure if there's going to be anything mindblowing, but I'd still like to hear these!

tylerw, Friday, 7 December 2018 21:09 (five days ago) Permalink

xps Alfred glad we agree on that late period peak
I don’t want to hear outtakes from JWH - it’s a sealed enigma

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 7 December 2018 21:47 (five days ago) Permalink

No interest in anybody's outtakes.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 December 2018 21:54 (five days ago) Permalink


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