latepassapedia: records that were light years better the ones indie dudes eventually endorsed as classics

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The Bug - Pressure
MF Doom - Operation Doomsday
The-Dream - Love Hate
Fucked Up - Hidden World

url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

non-indie genre records itt only

url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

the flaming lips - clouds taste metallic (psych-punk innit)

acoleuthic, Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

lil wayne - tha carter II

lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

J0rdan gets it.

LJ, i don't have the patience for your hair-splitting tomfoolery today

url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

Baroness - The Red Album
Pig Destroyer - Terrifyer

url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

wha, just trying to answer the qn

guess they're kinda indie - certainly weren't 'embraced by indie dudes' when that album came out tho

acoleuthic, Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

ugk - ridin dirty / super tight...

lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

^yes

LJ, yeah, being on Alternative Nation and 120 Minutes every five seconds certainly wasn't a place to get embraced by indie dudes in the 90s. stfu

url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

clipse - lord willin

^^the most pertinent

lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

whatever, they're still an applicable case. your first-response qualifier is the only ridiculous nitpickery itt

acoleuthic, Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Clipse - Lord Willin'

lol just about to post that

url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Mastodon - Leviathan

url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

licensed to ill [/challops]

smang a goon (get it on) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

no challops itt, just stone cold facts plz

url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

whiney leviathan was the one where i first heard of mastodon, got an 8.5 on p-fork so maybe the one before that?

smang a goon (get it on) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

I thought Leviathan was the indie-approved Mastodon disc. And in that case they were right - Remission is heavy for the sake of heavy and bores the crap out of me.

that's not funny. (unperson), Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Blood Mountain got an 8.7... But I don't know exactly which is holding up as classic in the indie noob canon tho

url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

this one would definitely be stretching "light years ahead" but there are def people that would make an argument for *choose favorite jay-z record before 'the blueprint'*

lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

missy elliot - supa dupa fly / da real world

lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

nah

url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

(if you stretch the premise of this thread to include 'trapped in the closet' despite it not being an actual album...)

r. kelly - chocolate factory / tp-2.com

lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

This premise is retarded and that's why lj doesn't get it. It took maybe until 2003 or 2004 for op doomsday to heat up, but that fucked up record, the dream, lord willin, carter ii, that's all just bullshit, but have fun imagining what you were in on the ground floor for goon dudes

peacocks, Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah this thread is basically "i liked their early 7 inches better: the poll"

smang a goon (get it on) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

this thread is even more indie than the flaming lips

acoleuthic, Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol, peacocks, if you think—even with 20/20 hindsight—that Hell Hath is better than Lord Willin then stop having opinions on rap entirely

url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

yowhiney battles the pink peacocks

acoleuthic, Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

lord willin is the only one here that seems emphatic

ciderpress, Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah this thread is basically "i liked their early 7 inches better: the poll"

― smang a goon (get it on) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:57 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

notice that none of the serious metal or rap or R&B dudes are arguing with most of these

url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

probably bcuz they care abt music, and not crappy opinions abt music

Lamp, Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

i meant the whole vibe of it is the same, the whole attitude, like what's the point? pointing out that operation doomsday is better than other mf doom shit? yay.

smang a goon (get it on) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

peaccoks are you saying that wayne/dream/clipse records AREN'T better than the ones that blew them up in indie circles or are you saying that indie ppl were always up on these artists to begin with

lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

ha but i'm obv not a "serious dude" so what do i know? carry on.

smang a goon (get it on) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

tigermilk - belle and sebastian
simple pleasures - tindersticks
amber - autechre

omar little, Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

probably bcuz they care abt music, and not crappy opinions abt music

― Lamp, Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:02 PM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark

lol this is coming from the guy who posts on ilm only about what other posters are saying about music

lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

artists where indie ppl were right on it

- cam'ron
- t.i.
- kanye west

lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

modern life is rubbish - blur

omar little, Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

the bends

S'morgy (rip van wanko), Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

would like some electronic opinions from the electronic d00ds

url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

guys, genre music only, no indie opinions thx

url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

electr-o-pura - yo la tengo

omar little, Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

miles davis - bitches brew

smang a goon (get it on) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

pfork was covering wayne by carter 2 iirc

and i didn't know the-dream had even blown up in the indie sphere yet when did that happen

ciderpress, Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

omar and helg are doing something beautiful

acoleuthic, Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

pfork was covering wayne by carter 2 iirc

i don't think that record made a year end list tho

lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

beethovan's 4th

smang a goon (get it on) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

SunnO))) - Flight Of The Behemoth

url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

I was saying that indies were up on those records. You guys should stick to gchat for stuff like this.

peacocks, Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

you should stick to dchat, where the d stands for my dick

url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

brilliantly, whiney has chosen one of ILM's few female posters to say that to

acoleuthic, Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

I was thinking about whether this happens a lot in dance / electronic music and it seems actually not very common?

It mostly happens in reverse, everyone is desperate to jump on the first record and the second is often dismissed as being predictable by comparison, even when it's better. I'm thinking about the hosannas that greeted the first Galcher Lustwerk tape and now no one seems to give a shit when he releases an album. Also the stratospheric praise for the first Martyn album compared with the relatively muted reception for the (far superior) Ghost People.

Matt DC, Friday, 30 November 2018 11:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Landing on Water rather than which record?

Ragged Glory, probably.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 30 November 2018 12:09 (two weeks ago) Permalink

aight but just out of curiosity are the thread rules completely idiosyncratic or is there a reason why relatively underrated indie rock records would be less interesting than rap records?

The whole point is that a lot of indie listeners understand and listen to other genres less than standard indie rock, about the elements of the music they tend to latch onto, and how that differs from what people more immersed in the genre might latch onto. By contrast 'X indie record is overrated/underrated by indie fans' is not an especially interesting debate.

A more interesting counterpoint would be the kinds of indie rock records that rap or pop listeners tend to gravitate towards/hail as classics, but that's a different thread.

Matt DC, Friday, 30 November 2018 12:22 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I mean it's a lame, smug concept for a thread but within that, excluding indie rock records makes sense.

Matt DC, Friday, 30 November 2018 12:24 (two weeks ago) Permalink

A more interesting counterpoint would be the kinds of indie rock records that rap or pop listeners tend to gravitate towards/hail as classics, but that's a different thread.

― Matt DC, Friday, November 30, 2018 7:22 AM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=77&threadid=81488

you’ll never guess who started that one!

k3vin k., Friday, 30 November 2018 12:41 (two weeks ago) Permalink

nope it was overlooked the year it was released and then a sleeper hit next year, but p4k put the disappointing follow up in the #1 spot on their aoy list

this is a weird way to look at canon construction. initial reception is often at odds to how things ultimately get sorted out. Like "Don't Tell a Soul" got a lot more attention/reviews at the time than any previous Replacements album, but nobody thinks of that as their canonical record.

President Keyes, Friday, 30 November 2018 13:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Against that, the first/best actual example I can think of is probably Isolee's Rest versus Wearemonster.

― Tim F, Thursday, November 29, 2018 4:33 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Wearemonster was the first thing that came to mind rereading this thread

Also probably Herbert - scale (and maybe several times going backwards)

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Friday, 30 November 2018 14:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah Around The House > Bodily Functions also works.

I suppose some hardcore early fans would take it back even earlier.

Tim F, Friday, 30 November 2018 14:17 (two weeks ago) Permalink

There's another wrinkle to this thread that I think that Bon Iver doesn't fit, which is that the critical hosannas for the follow-up pretend or assume that people don't need a late-pass, that this X album is the classic. Rather than "we didn't get to the previous album until recently and hey isn't it amazing? Also this follow-up is very good."

Tim F, Friday, 30 November 2018 14:23 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I already regret getting into this but his first album was #29 on Pitchfork's 2007 EOY list. Sure they were overcompensating with their reaction to the second one, but they certainly didn't overlook the debut

Number None, Friday, 30 November 2018 14:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Kevin I can't see the thread you're linking to but my immediate guess was the Goon Rock thread?

Matt DC, Friday, 30 November 2018 14:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xpost ok but Bon Iver's top track on Spotify is from For Emma, even though that record came out in the pre-Spotify era. I think that album's reputation slightly eclipses the follow-up's. P4K eoy ranking be damned.

President Keyes, Friday, 30 November 2018 14:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

also P4K had For Emma at #29 on the 00s Best of Decade list, higher than most of the records that beat it on the 2007 list, which shows a rising reputation

President Keyes, Friday, 30 November 2018 14:51 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I agree that Emma is the canonized Bon Iver album and I guess I just saw a parallel in p4k's (and many other media, it topped lotsa eoy lists) reaction to the subpar followup and then the premise of this thread

I see now that it's more about being cooler and more knowledgeable than indie fans abt jazz and hip hop so I'll just remove bookmark

niels, Friday, 30 November 2018 16:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Ice Cube's first few solo albums are superior to SOOC but I don't expect to see them ranking #3 in a p4k 90s list.

President Keyes, Friday, 30 November 2018 16:38 (two weeks ago) Permalink

the rules don't really matter, and Julien Baker is an excellent call

alpine static, Friday, 30 November 2018 16:39 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Ice Cube's 1st two albums are far superior to The Predator but I feel like ppl always talk about that as the classic

The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 November 2018 16:41 (two weeks ago) Permalink

well it was his commercial peak, so I guess it stands out for a more general audience

Number None, Friday, 30 November 2018 16:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I see now that it's more about being cooler and more knowledgeable than indie fans abt jazz and hip hop so I'll just remove bookmark

― niels, Friday, November 30, 2018 10:28 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i get that ppl can get petty / personal about this stuff but i think there are genuinely lots of critics who are just responding to the conversation and then there are critics (and fans) who do the hard work of listening to lots of music & figuring out what people are missing out on and helping to propel that attention, and i don't really see a problem with pointing out where the illusion that 'critical consensus = quality' falls apart. I also don't see how its 'cool chasing' to make these arguments ... most ppl here are pretty invested in music & i dont think there's really that much of ppl being like "damn tim f is wearing a leather jacket & sunglasses when he posts about Herbert what a badass" going on

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Friday, 30 November 2018 18:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

tim f is a badass who posts in a leather jacket and sunglasses, but not because he posts about herbert

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Friday, 30 November 2018 18:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

otm

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Friday, 30 November 2018 18:58 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Guys I told you not to share those pics.

i think there are genuinely lots of critics who are just responding to the conversation and then there are critics (and fans) who do the hard work of listening to lots of music & figuring out what people are missing out on and helping to propel that attention, and i don't really see a problem with pointing out where the illusion that 'critical consensus = quality' falls apart.

yeah exactly, and I'd make the further point that just because hypothetical critic A misses the bus on one record that hypothetical critic B was right onto, doesn't mean their roles aren't reversed in respect of another record. I think any critic worth their salt develops a fair amount of humility about how much amazing music being made right now they are not aware of it for the simple reason that it's impossible to be on top of everything. If anything, the more music you consume the stronger that feeling becomes. For my part, I'm just following the conversation in the majority of areas of music I try to check out.

I'm not so interested in the fact that this happens and who was there first as I am in the ways that it can happen. A lot of it comes down to context, and what constellations of other contemporaneous music a record arrives within, and whether that constellation creates a broader sense of momentum that propels and incites people's curiosity.

A recurring feature of several of the suggestions in this thread is that the earlier record that didn't get as many plaudits also didn't really make a huge amount of sense within a critical context at the time of its release, whereas by the time of the follow-up there was a broader attitude of interest generated not merely by the earlier record but by other records.

Isolee is a good example here: "Beau Mot Plage" was a hit within certain house music circles, but otherwise Rest was a knotty record that wouldn't necessarily have seemed representative of anything happening within dance music that was worth talking about more broadly, unless you happened to be paying very close attention to the scene from which it emerged (nb. in June 2000 I certainly wasn't; I only checked it out the next year after Simon Reynolds said it was his album of 2000).

Whereas by 2005, anyone who paid attention to critically feted dance music at all would have been marinated in years of celebrations of microhouse-through-minimal-house, in which context WeAreMonster seemed like An Important Record.

c.f. Luomo's Vocalcity - another mid-2000 record in the same broad style as Rest that lots of people missed initially (I first heard it about a year later) but which is more in the Bon Iver mould of being afforded all those critical hosannas once people did discover it. It's interesting to consider what is the distinguishing feature here; one may be that Vocalcity, like For Emma, Long Ago, doesn't really need a surrounding context in order for its importance/singularity/etc. to be understood or made sense of, it's more in the artist-is-a-genre vein.

Tim F, Friday, 30 November 2018 19:41 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Clipse seems like the archetypal example of this whole idea, in part because it's hard to attribute the leap in interest for HHNF relative to Lord Willin' to anything other than changes in the way that mainstream critical attitudes towards rap had shifted between early 2003 and late 2006. The debut was hardly an obscure record, and there's not really anything about the follow-up that suggests that critics were latching onto something different to what they could have latched onto with the debut had they so chosen.

Tim F, Friday, 30 November 2018 19:47 (two weeks ago) Permalink

skinny love is kinda the archetypal indie song of its era so it's hard to think of that record as in any way passed over

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 30 November 2018 19:53 (two weeks ago) Permalink

It always bugs me that Floral Shoppe won all the awards, but Eccojams was the better record by miles - it was obvious at the time that Floral Shoppe was a kind of "consolation prize" that was in the right place at the right time, and of course nowadays vapourwave is a silly joke that has been and gone. But Eccojams has something haunting about it. It has an emotional dimension that vapourwave mostly avoided.

Ashley Pomeroy, Friday, 30 November 2018 19:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

rap seems particularly prone to this as it can seem like a chore to go back and listen to a hip hop album that came out 3 or 4 years ago

President Keyes, Friday, 30 November 2018 19:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I really prefer "Ruins" to any of the later Oneohtrix Point Never things
Beyonce "B'Day" was, in my small world anyway, the album that opened the gates of pop (broadly speaking) to me and my indie friends and everybody put away their Shins records forever
Shostakovich symphonies 5 > 10 > 4 is the consensus but I think but 4 > 10 > 5 is correct
Eno: Green > Jets > Tiger > Science is the consensus but I think Tiger > Jets > Science > Green is correct
Stereolab mk. 1 > McCarthy >> all other iterations

Also:

I say this every three weeks I feel but Fucked Up's "Epics In Minutes" is one of the best albums (compilations) I can think of and towers over "Hidden World" and everything else
(edited because I said this seven years ago already)

fgti is for (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 30 November 2018 19:58 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Does The Outsiders vs. Chief from Eric Church fit here?

I really love Give Me Back My Hometown, but Outsiders is lesser overall I think. I dunno about indie dudes I guess, but it felt at the time like all critics were showering praise on The Outsiders retroactively for Chief

Will (kruezer2), Friday, 30 November 2018 20:24 (two weeks ago) Permalink

It's hard to tell with a case like that, since "Springsteen" (from Chief) is the song that got him noticed by country outsiders

President Keyes, Friday, 30 November 2018 20:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink

1989

single bed mentality (||||||||), Saturday, 1 December 2018 06:51 (two weeks ago) Permalink

sorry - wrong way round. taylor had 4 (better) records under her belt before 1989

single bed mentality (||||||||), Saturday, 1 December 2018 07:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I was saying that indies were up on those records. You guys should stick to gchat for stuff like this.

― peacocks, Sunday, January 30, 2011 7:10 PM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you should stick to dchat, where the d stands for my dick

― url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, January 30, 2011 7:11 PM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 1 December 2018 07:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Shostakovich symphonies 5 > 10 > 4 is the consensus but I think but 4 > 10 > 5 is correct

Stalin was a milquetoast Animal Collective fan but even he knew that the Pretty Toney Album is better than Fishscale.

Matt DC, Saturday, 1 December 2018 10:24 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Shostakovich symphonies 5 > 10 > 4 is the consensus but I think but 4 > 10 > 5 is correct

It's 14 > 10 > 15 > 13 > 4 > 1 > 8 > 9 > 5 > the rest, as far as I'm concerned.

pomenitul, Saturday, 1 December 2018 10:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Oooooh, no 11? No Leningrad? Wow

flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 1 December 2018 15:06 (two weeks ago) Permalink

For The Roses - Joni Mitchell

Also yeah, Shos 11 bangs wtf

MaresNest, Saturday, 1 December 2018 15:22 (two weeks ago) Permalink

10 is really amazing, the first mvt. is perfect in every way, along with 1st mvt. Bartok Music For Strings+ it's my favourite 'unspooling' in the canon. 2nd mvt. is fun when Dudamel does it; 3rd mvt. is good jokes I guess, the DSCH thing is cheesy; 4th mvt. well idk I read that at the premiere all the starving Leningradians ran out into the street crying with joy at its conclusion but to me it just sounds like a snooze alarm that won't quit

flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 1 December 2018 15:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink

"For The Roses" isn't "light years" ahead of "Blue" but I do think it deserves much more love than the three more-celebrated albums that followed it

flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 1 December 2018 15:35 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Listen I like For the Roses a lot but that is a wild opinion

The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 1 December 2018 15:38 (two weeks ago) Permalink

FTR seems entirely in Blue's shadow and appears to be a bit of a blank spot, some songs are every bit as beautiful, fraught and confessional as Blue.

MaresNest, Saturday, 1 December 2018 16:02 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The 11th Symphony is decent film music disguised as Soviet agitprop. Not a bad work by any means, but it lacks the tragic heft of his less populist pieces. I like my Shosty either morbidly despairing or caustically mocking the powers-that-be, head-on, so I tend to gravitate towards his later material. Anyway, in keeping with the thread's premise, I do agree that the 4th is a better work than the 5th (I may even prefer the 1st, overall) but it doesn't top the 10th.

pomenitul, Saturday, 1 December 2018 16:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Ariana Grande - Dangerous Woman >>>>> Sweetener

ufo, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 15:17 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The new Idles seems like a pretty good example of this phenomenon.

resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 18:49 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Ariana Grande - Dangerous Woman >>>>> Sweetener

― ufo, Tuesday, December 4, 2018 8:17 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

severely otm

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 18:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

extREMELY otm ^

austinb, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Ariana Grande, My Everything >>> dangerous woman > Sweetener

maffew12, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink

christ, of all her records, my everything?

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink

hell yeah. now don't have me take this all the way to the "inclining" thread!

maffew12, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:16 (two weeks ago) Permalink

er, declining. so many threads.

maffew12, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:16 (two weeks ago) Permalink

jesus this thread is embarrassing plz stop

budo jeru, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 01:03 (one week ago) Permalink


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