― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 13:22 (nineteen years ago) link
&, yeah, to piggyback SS's endorsement of Pope Dang, "Vision of Love" makes her first album.
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 13:25 (nineteen years ago) link
May I direct you to "Knockin' Boots" by Candyman, in which he decides to "break off a bottle of Asti Spumanti, pop off the top, and rock with my posse."
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link
Yeah, I pulled that "five year" thing out of the buttocks - I'd love to know when it ("Bacardi / party") first popped up, tho.
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link
Destroy: "Hero," "The Beautiful Ones" cover w/ Sisqo
― Eric von H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Eric von H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― Eric von H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link
Most of these ballads I'm bitching about, now that I think about it, are more from R&B-influenced folks (cf. teenypop) than from actual R&B artists (though I'm not sure such a distinction means a damn thing).
Conclusion: I'm full of it; carry on.
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link
Sorta on-topic (& I swear I've brought this up before): there's a bit during The Kings of Comedy where Steve Harvey goes off on how no one does love songs anymore, & it's all blustery dick-swinging bullshit (my words, not his). & then they put on some Teddy Pendergrass, & most of the people in the crowd stand up, & SH is yelling at people that haven't moved - "STAND THE F*CK UP!" (again, my words) - & he's kicking over the small endtable on stage & the mic stand & he's FEELING IT, lipsynching and swaying, and Spike Lee cuts to women in the audience, clutching their hands to their chest and singing & swaying along. &, yeah, he might have a point, but then love's changed a bit, too, Steve, so the woo you pitch isn't going to be the woo your son or daughter pitches (though it's coming from the same place).
Is "ballad" (musically speaking) a matter of tempo & sound or of subject matter?
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link
Um, OK?
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link
yeah the mary j version of "hate it or love it" came on the dancefloor at this hip hop club in Seattle while I was there with my newfound EMP pals and it was lush and pretty damn heart-tuggin' -- a great song . . .
― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link
I really wish that people would actually have some clue as to what they were talking about before uccumbing to the impluse to say stupid, ignorant bullshit.
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link
also, going along with what i wrote on the blog about mimi, "it's like that" isn't even a mariah song -- it's such a mary j track! (the weirdest thing on the disc is jermaine dupri's nelly impersonation on "got your number").
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link
the aversion to ballads among (GENERALIZATION ALERT!) white R&B/hip-hop listeners comes from being beholden to only the beat, and not considering the lyrics, tone, subject matter that those productions deliver. the bangers are where you lose yourself in a crowd, but the ballads are where you lose yourself in yourself...
I think this is a good explanation, Jams, but I also think it smacks of injunctions as to how to listen 'correctly' (your generalization point is noted, though!). I'll freely admit to preferring the beat straight up, but I would prefer this most of the time in just about ANYTHING, r'n'b or not. Reflective musical introspection from where I sit more often than not relies on music providing/enabling that mood rather than lyrics, tone etc. Not universally, sure, but consistently and much more often than not for me at least.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link
Oh, and Mariah Carey is viscous, foul-smelling stain on the already soiled underwear of vomitous popular culture.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link
Um, rather xpostish.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link
Those cultural refs are perfectly aligned with what bands like Bunnygrunt were singing about that same year ('70s kitsch, cheesy TV, etc.)
― I Hate the Aedes (morrisp), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 20:13 (three years ago) link
Pitchfork talked to a few people about the recording/release of the Chick album: https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/the-story-behind-mariah-careys-secret-90s-alt-rock-album/
― like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Sunday, 23 May 2021 04:04 (two years ago) link