De La Soul - Classic or Dud?

Buhloone Mindstate is not cynical - if they sound angry or downbeat in places it's because they care, not because they don't

yeah this voices thing is weird, I have no idea what that is about

also I really perplexed by this one

Halfway there but for you at 11:15 15 Feb 21

Someone once said that De La Soul were the first rappers whose beats were more important than their words and voices. Is this a controversial take

most people's first exposure to them was Me, Myself or if you were more into hip hop "Potholes in My Lawn", in both cases their lyrical style, lyrics, the whole boho vibe was super important

yeah like i said upthread Candyman just needed to stop with the lame takes in this thread

candyman's takes in this revive make me feel like we are listening to two different things.

"i always forget how good Held Down is"

YES

Pos and Dave both have unmistakable voices, and the low-key-ness is part of the appeal, not a lack

it's a bummer, De La being essentially missing from streaming has really affected their historical profile

^^ yup

big time

Chris Rock jokes that he still buys CD's because if someone "takes down the cloud, I'll still have Luther!"

I guess that's me with De La Soul, except they never were on "the cloud."

lol i said this awhile back and whiney flipped out at me

anyway de la soul are incredible, cant think of a candyman contribution to a thread ive appreciated yet...

I've read some of your reviews and could say the same.

Also arent you the guy who said hip hop is jazz? Lol.

arms too short to box with god ^^^

^^^lyrical references too hackneyed to really zing

you guys can pile on me, i dont mind, glad to help with the community bonding on this site, and i'll admit sure my buhloone reading is a bit off (was going on memory really, and a song like i am i be) but i stand by the notion that they have boring voices. i get that saying such a revered group has 'boring' voices might irk when worded in that way (low key might have been fairer) but compared to rap voices like say (and im only using others from the same era to be fair), q tip, kool keith, wu-tang, snoop, souls of mischief, del, de la are hardly the most interesting vocal characters. id say the same about gza, mos def and plenty other rappers who still make good songs and good albums.

well, "boring" is a pejorative and "low key" isn't. they mean two different things.

as far as the "pile on". i think i tried to engage with you earnestly on the "limitations of hip hop" thread until it was clear you didn't actually want a discussion about it. frankly, everyone here has been on the internet a long ass time and the way you post in a sort of professorial, condescending tone about black artists (here, limitations of hip hop, the prince thread) and how they lack in your eyes, puts up a lot of people's antennas here as signals of being ways of saying racially problematic things in code, let's say. you also don't really regard anyone else's opinion on hip hop or anything else, that's pretty clear.

also it is a community, so if you don't have a long history of posting and people understanding where you're coming from, you're not going to get as much benefit of the doubt.

imagine thinking GZA and Mos Def have boring voices. Not even sure what "boring" means to you at this point.

in fairness, maybe candyman thinks their voices can drill holes through things

Maybe a non-boring voice is supposed to sound like Bobcat Goldthwaite's.

imagining now the emo philips of rap

so... Danny Brown?

CHECK

just sort of making a general point here, not responding to candyman directly, but posdnous has an incredible rap voice, flat out. immediately distinctive, conveys his personality that frames his poetic style w a kind of casual profundity that's impossible to replicate

am i a fan of pos' rap style bc i know when i hear his voice the music is going to be good, or was the music good because of his rap style? a contradiction at the heart of great art ofc

Also arent you the guy who said hip hop is jazz? Lol.

― candyman, Wednesday, February 17, 2021 3:10 AM (eleven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

d-40 still otm here

pops used to say it reminded him of bebop

don't you know that things go in cycles?

posdnous has an incredible rap voice, flat out. immediately distinctive, conveys his personality that frames his poetic style w a kind of casual profundity that's impossible to replicate

otm, close thread

xp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VsgkIE-RHg

Apart from insisting on your poorly defended opinion, candyman, I'd be more offended if ILM mattered to more than, like, 50 people. De La Soul, whose classic albums aren't streaming on Spotify, doesn't need any more wiping out.

"you post in a sort of professorial, condescending tone about black artists (here, limitations of hip hop, the prince thread) and how they lack in your eyes, puts up a lot of people's antennas here as signals of being ways of saying racially problematic things in code"

im fine with being thought of as being condescending towards hip hop, i have a love hate relationship with it. i can accept that. condescending towards all black artists? thats kind of weird. its prob more that the musicians i love are mostly black artists, and i am a critical person. i mean, i posted in the 'is jack white indefensible' thread here and made comments that are hardly full of adulation about his solo material.

anyway, i dont want to make this thread about me. ill leave you all to it.

actually, one thing that does bother me about your post is this specious idea of 'racially problematic things in code'. you are aware that there are many schools of thought within black music, that liking black music does not mean you have to like it *all*, arent you? that you can quite literally have a branford and a wynton in the same family? maybe think about that before you throw around ding-ding allegations.

i thought you were leaving

I'm just describing the dynamic of what's happening

you're so fuckin smart I'm surprised you don't catch on

The breadth of Black music is best described by contrasting two siblings who are both jazz musicians, I agree

if that's all you draw from a comparison of those two jazz musicians, then idk what to tell you. wynton is a big rap hater and jazz traditionalist, brandon was at one point big rap ally and collabo'd with public enemy, dj premier, etc etc.

"you're so fuckin smart I'm surprised you don't catch on"

i never said i was smart. youre just reading something into the way i type. its funny actually as i often read posts here from ppl in this forum and think they reek of pomposity, in-crowd smugness and self-satisfaction! so maybe, think of it as me just trying to fit in :)

argh, auto correct. *branford

i often read posts here from ppl in this forum and think they reek of pomposity, in-crowd smugness and self-satisfaction!

sounds like a plan.

*this forum should be 'this thread'

i'm not going to argue that ILX (and ILM in particular) can't be an insular community but the general assimilation of newcomers around here often starts from OH YEAH HERE'S MY OPINION and evolves into non-confrontational conversation; why not skip the line?

what a cocksnot.

crocker!

HOOOOOOOOLY... pic.twitter.com/5ovLNhePvC

— Dee Phunk (@DeePhunk) February 18, 2021

Teen Titans Go is really the best

they spelled "Joliceur" and "Posdnuos" correctly but couldn't get "Pasemaster," tsk

would've been very amused if they pulled back to reveal an animated prince paul watching this whole scene from a distance with a sour look on his face

is the evil music stealing alien named Srehthob Renraw?

Yobymmot

"what a cocksnot."

does your mum allow you to use the internet?