De La Soul - Classic or Dud?

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Is De La Soul dead? Do they deserve to be? Is their first album overrated and their second criminally underrated?

My name is Kenny, Thursday, 22 August 2002 19:10 (twenty years ago) link

All first three albums are classic, and I would say that it's Buhloone Mind State that's underrated, not ...is Dead, as that seems pretty highly acclaimed. Stakes is High is relatively bland, but still a little fun. But I think BMS might be the most consistently good.

Nick A., Thursday, 22 August 2002 19:14 (twenty years ago) link

the first album is a masterpiece in my book - modern classic and a benchmark of hip hop and sampling invention. i was less keen on what i heard on the second album (Keep The Faith etc.) but i'd say De La have been fairly consistent thru the 90s as well with strong tracks like 'Stakes Is High', 'Breakadawn' and 'Ego Trippin' springing to mind. I never checked out 'Art Official Intelligence' in full but the strength of the singles (Ooooh, All Good, Thru Ya City) indicated this was their best work since '3 Feet High & Rising' and confirms their status as reliable elder statesmen of the genre...the guest spot by Pos on Mint Royale's 'Show Me' last year was another winner for me

blueski, Thursday, 22 August 2002 19:16 (twenty years ago) link

I have yet to hear a De La Soul album that wasn't classic.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 August 2002 19:19 (twenty years ago) link

My opinion: First two albums: classic wonderful amazing, with DLSID edging out 3FH&R for Best in Genre. I was bored with Buhloone Mindstate, but I think Stakes Is High is the underrated one. I haven't fallen in love with the two AOI discs; but they're spunky and funny and energetic enough for me to think De La might have one more great record in them.

Matt C., Thursday, 22 August 2002 19:22 (twenty years ago) link

A band I've always loved but never listened to as often as I should, oddly enough -- and when I mean 'should,' I mean in the sense that everything I've heard demanding relistening! Time to dig out those old CDs again, I sez.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 August 2002 19:35 (twenty years ago) link

three feet high and rising was the first
hip-hop album i ever bought. buhloone
mind state was the second. it would be
cool to say bionix was the last one. but
it wasn't. it was good, though. the slick
rick one. 'held down.' 'bionix.' those
other ones.

hip-hop people reviewing bionix all said
it sucked. indie rock type people reviewing
it said it was another classic from de
la soul. those are the only people who
reviewed it.

DK, Thursday, 22 August 2002 19:46 (twenty years ago) link

i think the song that got them in all the trouble "Transmissions Live From Mars"... instrumental downtempo (the imfamous Turtles sample) with French instructional dialogue over the top...

is STILL a really nice listen. if you take that song for face value away from the rest of the album, shows a real weird foreshadow of things Mo Wax/Beastie/Beck (mostly things I never cared too much for), but that weird international downtempo weird sample... it seemed to preface all that Cibo Matto/Stereolab/Stereototal (slow) modern rock-hop.

Not too big on De La Soul though; however, check this song out again if you haven't recently.

gygax!, Thursday, 22 August 2002 19:59 (twenty years ago) link

great albums, terrible live show. astonishingly boring and full of all the pointless posturing and entouragism that de la soul has always seemed to stand against. strange.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 22 August 2002 21:04 (twenty years ago) link

I'm with Dan Perry on this one

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 22 August 2002 21:25 (twenty years ago) link

Back in '91/'92 they were one of the first hip-hop acts I really got into since my RUN-D.M.C.-soundtracked l'il-brat-hood days were washed aside by a torrent of Classic Rock Radio Immersion. I mean, you give a sugar-addled spaz-kid high school freshman a cassette tape that includes a skit featuring the phrase "what'd'you know about music, hamster penis?" and a song about a molested student out for revenge against a Macy's Santa and some samples from "Grease" and a great sex-rhymes track (with those "What's that? In your pocket?" samples -- oh damn) and Kermit imitations and beatdown anthems laid upon tapdancing music and "Bitties In The BK Lounge" and "A Roller Skating Jam Named 'Saturdays'"!!!! well you got an all-time favorite album for life, at least if what happened to me is any indication. 3 Feet High was great too but De La Soul Is Dead meant more to me back then than any new release album besides Nevermind -- and I haven't listened to Nevermind in years.
Boy, I got a little out of hand there.

Nate Patrin, Friday, 23 August 2002 01:32 (twenty years ago) link

Despite "Eye Know" and "Roller Skating" in particular, never really got them until AOI. The early stuff seemed too crude in terms of sonics and subject matter; the middle stuff seemed to have ditched their vitality. Mosaic Thump brought back their fun side and mixed it with supersmooth sageness; Bionix is simply the sexiest hip-hop album ever.

B:Rad, Friday, 23 August 2002 02:24 (twenty years ago) link

Count me in as someone who loved Bionix - the opening trio of "Bionix", "Baby Phat" and "Simply" are awesomely zing-like, both shiveringly tactile and open-hearted, generous, funny. I also like the generally-panned R&B-ish tracks - "Special" and "Am I Worthy Of You" are just so slinktastic.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 23 August 2002 08:33 (twenty years ago) link

Classic. I even bought the "edited" version of the last one, by mistake, and liked it just dandy. I still think BUHLOONE is more consistently great, yeah, but the first was the most hyper, and the best.

matt riedl (veal), Friday, 23 August 2002 14:12 (twenty years ago) link

Great albums, but my main memory of De La Soul is how out of place Ring Ring Ring sounded at the time from both rock and rap at the time.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 23 August 2002 14:26 (twenty years ago) link

Don't be put off by their (sometimes deserved) rep for slack live shows. The most recent First Avenue gig was as funny and sweaty and unselfconscious as any rap show I've seen.

I played "Tryin'" before my brother's wedding a couple months ago, just to calm my nerves on a stressful day, and I damn near started to weep. The song is about being ready for the rest of your life, by guys obviously not ready for the rest of their lives.

All the records are great, but De La is greater than ever.

Pete Scholtes, Friday, 23 August 2002 19:17 (twenty years ago) link

_De La Soul Is Dead_ is one of the greatest albums ever recorded. Period. Everything on it is just classic (yes, even "Keepin' The Faith").

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 August 2002 19:22 (twenty years ago) link

(Wait, City Pages? I MISS THAT PAPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 August 2002 19:28 (twenty years ago) link

i totally forgot to mention 'Rollerskatin' Jam Named Saturday' which is possibly better than anything on 'Three Feet High & Rising' - except 'Say No Go' and 'Transmitting Live From Mars' perhaps

blueski, Friday, 23 August 2002 19:31 (twenty years ago) link

Having only heard Bionix and the debut, pure classic. I have a feeling the rest of their work is just as brilliant, and it will be obtained eventually.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Friday, 23 August 2002 20:09 (twenty years ago) link

Dan, you an old Minneapolis guy, too?!

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 24 August 2002 21:54 (twenty years ago) link

You didn't know, M? Dan's got more Minneapolis area stories than you could imagine -- it's where he went to high school and some time before, I believe.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 August 2002 22:21 (twenty years ago) link

Holy fuck! No wonder I like the guy so much!

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 24 August 2002 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

matos he hung in my hood iirc

Josh (Josh), Saturday, 24 August 2002 23:40 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, I lived in the Twin Cities area from the age of 1 onwards. I went to high school in Hastings (so it is more St. Paul than Minneapolis). I can tell you all kinds of fucked up stories about that town.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 25 August 2002 12:12 (twenty years ago) link

I'd say the AOI albums are a major development in hip hop: mature music that isn't sapped of its wit or energy, and that doesn't devolve into crankery (PE) or self-parody (LL).

The Twin Cities hereby cast all their votes for "classic."

Keith Harris (kharris1128), Sunday, 25 August 2002 13:56 (twenty years ago) link

ha I never voted! but I like de la is dead so you can have mine.

I'd swear there's a thread around here about mature hip-hop that I might have even started but I can't find it.

Josh (Josh), Sunday, 25 August 2002 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

Sorry Josh, didn't mean to leave you out. What was the upshot of the "mature hip hop" thread?

Keith Harris (kharris1128), Sunday, 25 August 2002 14:20 (twenty years ago) link

five years pass...

notions, soothed the mood

gabbneb, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 17:29 (fourteen years ago) link

the first album kicks the 2nd's ass 8 ways to tuesday

gabbneb, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 17:31 (fourteen years ago) link

"'De La Soul is Dead' is a better album than '3 Feet High...'" is the worst CHALLENGING OPINION in music criti

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 17:34 (fourteen years ago) link

three feet high and rising was the first
hip-hop album i ever bought. buhloone
mind state was the second. it would be
cool to say bionix was the last one. but
it wasn't. it was good, though. the slick
rick one. 'held down.' 'bionix.' those
other ones.

hip-hop people reviewing bionix all said
it sucked. indie rock type people reviewing
it said it was another classic from de
la soul. those are the only people who
reviewed it.

-- DK, Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:46 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Link

o.O

and what, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 18:16 (fourteen years ago) link

i had a thing for making paper since papier-mache

gabbneb, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 18:16 (fourteen years ago) link

dude you were the one that told me 3 Ft High was dylan's first rap album

Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 18:17 (fourteen years ago) link

I heard De La Soul Is Dead in its entirety before I heard Three Feet High and Rising in its entirety, which is part of the reason why I hold this allegedly controversial CHALLENGING OPINION.

HI DERE, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 18:20 (fourteen years ago) link

its totally not a challenging opinion wtf people - but buhloone mind state is better than both of them anyway

i say this as someone who has listed to those three albums more than anyone on this board im sure

jhøshea, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 18:26 (fourteen years ago) link

production on Buhloone is less unique than on 1st 2. They're all great. 2nd>>>1st>>>3rd.

Granny Dainger, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 18:28 (fourteen years ago) link

buhloone mind state remains my pick too

PappaWheelie V, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 18:29 (fourteen years ago) link

3>2>1

but theyre all great obv

jhøshea, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 18:31 (fourteen years ago) link

1st > 3rd > 2nd

I heard De La Soul Is Dead in its entirety before I heard Three Feet High and Rising in its entirety, which is part of the reason why I hold this allegedly controversial CHALLENGING OPINION.

this is what I assume of anyone who holds same

gabbneb, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 18:34 (fourteen years ago) link

lol no i had 3 feet around when it cam out it kinda marked my devolution from someone who just listened to the radio and had a few albums to a music obsessive. i remember seeing the video for me myself and i on bet at a friends house and being all wtf is this must have! then dead was the last tape i had before i got a cd player. i taped ringringring off the radio before the album came out and was all wtf at the new sound but it grew on me fast. then when buhloon came out it was just <3<3<3

3 feet is nice but they got sooo much better at everything

jhøshea, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 18:55 (fourteen years ago) link

3 feet is nice but they got sooo much better at everything

I pretty much agree with this.

HI DERE, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 18:59 (fourteen years ago) link

so do I. 1st and 2nd are both more "fun" (having guru guest on a track will do that, though har har). 3rd I guess a lil TOO good ie refined.

Granny Dainger, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 19:03 (fourteen years ago) link

(tho i guess having biz guest cancels out guru)

Granny Dainger, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 19:06 (fourteen years ago) link

omglol i am watching de la videos on youtube omg!

jhøshea, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 19:11 (fourteen years ago) link

http://static1.videosift.com/thumbs/d/el/De_La_Soul_Me_Myself_And_I.jpg

this hair whaaaa!

jhøshea, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 19:13 (fourteen years ago) link

2>4>1=3

jaxon, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 19:14 (fourteen years ago) link

For a long time I wrote off the AOI Bionix lps, but on repeat listen I think they are tight. I saw them perform at DEMF in 01 and they were great.

U-Haul, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 19:15 (fourteen years ago) link

they got better at smooth jazz soul jams. but the 1st album is alive in a way those that follow are not and it's got the best wordplay by far. also, i like hippies and the color yellow.

gabbneb, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 19:16 (fourteen years ago) link

Buhloone Mind State is better than the first two. It's like desert island material.

Euler, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link

I remember the take being “Didn’t these guys used to be funny? This album’s kinda depressing…”

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 19:28 (one month ago) link

You refer to is Dead, right?

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 19:29 (one month ago) link

Yes.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 19:30 (one month ago) link

Yeah, I remember the reviews being, like, “why are they such boring sourpusses now”, which seems like a mystifying take on a record as full of wonder and complexity as DLSID

Buhloone is also one of my favourites of all time but I still wish Three Days Later and Ego Trip went on a bit longer!

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 19:33 (one month ago) link

Mercy!

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 19:34 (one month ago) link

Unrelatedly and dorkishly, my IRL name is Paul and I had “Paul’s Revenge” as my answering machine message for perhaps much longer than I should have (‘whatever you say, I agree”)

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 19:38 (one month ago) link

I was curious about the negative reviews - here are two FWIW:

Bill Wyman in the Chicago Reader for Buhloone Mindstate (which placed at #8 for that year's Pazz & Jop poll)
https://chicagoreader.com/arts-culture/de-la-soul-a-tribe-called-quest/

"It’s another exposition of pulverized pop, but with side trips into drones, weird jazz, and other sorts of less-than-compelling sonic dreamscapes. It also contains a lyrical universe that’s beyond this willing listener’s ken, which is a nice way of saying I haven’t the faintest idea what the fuck they’re talking about."

And in Trouser Press's guide, written by David Sheridan and/or Steven Mirkin:

https://trouserpress.com/reviews/de-la-soul/

On De La Soul Is Dead, as on the Beastie Boys’ Paul’s Boutique, the band’s ambition outstrips its ideas. The feeble, forced skits that dot the album fall flat, and many of the songs can be heard as a reaction to criticism that De La Soul was soft. Unlike “Do as De La Does” (from 3 Feet High and Rising), where the group puts itself in a leadership position, songs like “Afro Connections at a Hi 5 (In the Eyes of the Hoodlum)” and “Millie Pulled a Pistol on Santa” hew closer to rap convention, with harder-edged lyrics and sound. The album’s not bad, but it lacks some of the qualities that made the debut unique.

Superficially, Buhlööne Mind State is a return to form. While it does resemble the first album, there’s a pro forma air to the proceedings that even guests like Fred Wesley and Maceo Parker can’t allay; the sound is in the house, but the trio’s once-profound inspiration has fled.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 19:52 (one month ago) link

It also contains a lyrical universe that’s beyond this willing listener’s ken, which is a nice way of saying I haven’t the faintest idea what the fuck they’re talking about."

oh like Wyman knew what Elvis Costello was talking about

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 19:57 (one month ago) link

no specific shade to any listed critics but i always took the in-its-time reaction to de la's mature work as condescending and at least racist-adjacent.
i mean, everyone loved paul's boutique...

Buhloone's their most profound record imo. Not hard, complicated. The Native Tongues were falling apart and this is the record where they say that out loud.

his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 20:12 (one month ago) link

Did everyone love PB on release?

his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 20:12 (one month ago) link

i mean, everyone loved paul's boutique...

Not so sure about this. I loved it, was more of a fan than I had been of Licensed to Ill, but I don't remember reading many super-positive reviews.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 20:17 (one month ago) link

I recall the chapter entitled "Steely Dan: Understood as the Redemption of the White Negro - a conversation between Greg Tate and Vernon Reid" in Tate's Everything But the Burden features a digression about why critics didn't accept the change of direction on De La Soul Is Dead, though I don't remember the details.

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 20:28 (one month ago) link

Critics were pretty terrible about most early 90s rap classics.

The Beatles were the first to popularize wokeism (President Keyes), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 20:45 (one month ago) link

De La Soul is dead got 5 mics in The Source the only review that mattered

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 20:46 (one month ago) link

I recall Paul's Boutique being savaged in rap reviews at the time. I know it's hardly the gold standard of rap criticism, but I remember a review in Yo! or Word Up! or one of those other glossy newsstand-type mags that said something to the effect of "even the title is wack"

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 22:13 (one month ago) link

Scrolling down fast I thought this was a lyric bc it started out like a brag

yeah, i grabbed all of the downloads at the time.
just checked : they are all encoded at 320.

omar little, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 22:24 (one month ago) link

*sample from Peg*

his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 22:42 (one month ago) link

The PB wiki linked above:

"Contemporary reviews of Paul's Boutique were uniformly positive, with the production singled out for praise. ... Since Paul's Boutique was first released, its critical standing has improved significantly."

lol

It did sell disappointingly compared to Licensed to Ill (still now 5x more sold)

maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 5 January 2023 00:08 (one month ago) link

yeah iirc it was a critical fave but didn't shift those crazy teenage numbers like LTI

def remember my slightly older friend who worked at a record store and didn't like the first one RAVING about how amazing PB was

sleeve, Thursday, 5 January 2023 00:10 (one month ago) link

I love PB yet remember the splat "Hey Ladies made as first single

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 January 2023 00:20 (one month ago) link

IIRC there weren't many shows in support of Paul's Boutique - I'm sure that didn't help (and it's a shame because the live stuff that's available is great).

Also during their book tour, they made it clear that Capitol didn't give the album much promotion, preferring to pour their marketing dollars into Donny Osmond's new record. (They also mocked the record's video, with Ad-Rock calling it a "sexy funeral.")

birdistheword, Thursday, 5 January 2023 00:22 (one month ago) link

"Shake Yr Rump" is one of the all-time great opening tracks, how did it not get released as a single

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 5 January 2023 00:27 (one month ago) link

^^^

sleeve, Thursday, 5 January 2023 00:27 (one month ago) link

It did weirdy lead off the Hey Ladies single and it had a video, so it kinda was?

https://www.discogs.com/release/1061910-Beastie-Boys-Love-American-Style-EP

maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 5 January 2023 00:29 (one month ago) link

PB was the end of them being part of the rap scene, moving towards their alt phase

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 5 January 2023 00:35 (one month ago) link

I had the cassette version of that EP; it was sold as a cassingle (the last two tracks are instrumental versions of "Shake Your Rump" and "Hey Ladies").

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 5 January 2023 00:50 (one month ago) link

There was some animus over the Beasties leaving Def Jam. I remember Chuck D dissing Paul’s Boutique.

Motion to adjourn to enjoy a footling (President Keyes), Thursday, 5 January 2023 01:29 (one month ago) link

i do kinda remember rap people feeling a bit betrayed by PB but the rock critics fuckin loved it

The 33 1/3 book is solid.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 January 2023 03:14 (one month ago) link

The version of The Magic Number that is now streaming is missing the Eddie Murphy sample. From the version on Spotify at least. Few people seem to have spotted it so far if Twitter is anything to go by.

piscesx, Monday, 16 January 2023 04:31 (three weeks ago) link

it definitely sounds different than what i remember. the narrative for so long was "tommy boy is screwing them!" i never considered there would still be sample clearance issues. i mean that stuff was in print forever. hrmph.

still thrilled to see it actually happening.

kiss me while the world decays (Austin), Thursday, 19 January 2023 16:25 (two weeks ago) link

the narrative for so long was "tommy boy is screwing them!" i never considered there would still be sample clearance issues

two things are true in this case

i do believe that the language in some deals was related to the specific formats at the time (lp, cassette, etc) and that you may have to re-clear stuff for streaming, but i'm no lawyer

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 January 2023 16:28 (two weeks ago) link

As someone who worked in clearance (albeit not in music) I can say that one of the major hangups for a lot of late 80s/early 90s agreements was how understandably there was no anticipation of the possibility of digital and online usage, and how some documents didn’t include the all-encompassing part where they cited any and all future media usage as being covered.

omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2023 17:15 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, like why they had to remove or re-clear the music used in MTV shows, etc.

Vexatious litigant (morrisp), Thursday, 19 January 2023 17:25 (two weeks ago) link

I had to license a song for a video my school produced for a faculty member - my first exposure to licensing - and the guy I dealt with was nice enough to walk me through it. IIRC he said you typically want "all world" (every territory and country) and most importantly "all media" and I think that became the standard term in the digital age in anticipation of downloads, streaming and everything else.

birdistheword, Thursday, 19 January 2023 17:26 (two weeks ago) link

I think you actually want something like "all media, whether now known or hereafter devised"...

Vexatious litigant (morrisp), Thursday, 19 January 2023 17:33 (two weeks ago) link

Just listened on youtube, and yep, no one asks if anyone in the audience ever got hit by a car. I don't know the intricacies of sample clearance -- specifically, why some artists are easier to clear than others -- but it's a little surprising that they were able to clear Zeppelin but not Eddie Murphy. And if this missing bit is representative of the rest of the album, I assume "Cool Breeze On The Rocks" will sound a LOT different.

two things are true in this case

I believe it was a late '90s Mojo piece about this album where I read that Tommy Boy had repeatedly assured the band and Prince Paul (who kept meticulous notes on the samples) that all the samples were cleared. Some were -- I think Hall & Oates and a handful of others -- but most weren't. So they were blindsided by the Turtles lawsuit.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 January 2023 17:37 (two weeks ago) link

oh yeah I remember reading that - in general I've never heard anything good about Tommy Boy

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 January 2023 17:43 (two weeks ago) link

It can be ridiculous. There was some show Carol Burnett was in where she needed to clear a Stephen Sondheim song, and she (and Sondheim) thought it would be easy because they were good friends. However it was something Sondheim co-wrote with a now deceased person, and when Sondheim contacted the publisher, they apparently just said "you only own half the rights, we need to talk to the estate of the other writer" etc. Forgot what happened afterwards but long story short, the more approvals you need, the more it sucks.

There was an article on Dylan licensing his music to films (before he sold his catalog) and it was easy - Dylan gets the proposal and either he likes it or doesn't, and he wouldn't price the license out of the film's budget which is why some films with less-than-huge budgets got to use Dylan songs. He was the only guy who had to sign off.

birdistheword, Thursday, 19 January 2023 17:55 (two weeks ago) link

Weird that the lyric video got the Syl Johnson sample wrong, 'shang-a-lang'? With an accent maybe, idk.

MaresNest, Thursday, 19 January 2023 18:17 (two weeks ago) link

sadly the chances that we'll ever see the De La Soul on WKRP in Cincinnati episode are almost nil

POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 January 2023 18:43 (two weeks ago) link

I always heard it as "shang a lang" but I never heard the original source until moments ago despite it being sampled to death.

In the video it says "a tri-camaro system is now set", which is kind of amazing, but it made me realize that I don't know what the actual original lyric is. All the online lyrics sites have something like "A tri-camera rolls since our music's now set" listed, but for the last 34 years I thought they were saying "a tricameral system", like three governing bodies.

joygoat, Thursday, 19 January 2023 19:20 (two weeks ago) link

Re: birdistheword

I thought licensing songs to films was primarily under the purview of most artists themselves and not their publishers. The Beastie Boys were infamous for being very particular about what films they allowed to utilize their songs. David Bowie wanted very large sums of money. He was probably one of the first artists to ask for six figures or more. Kate Bush, conversely, let Keith Gordon use “Running Up That Hill” for $1500 or so for The Chocolate War (1988), and it’s amazingly remained there on every home video release

beamish13, Thursday, 19 January 2023 19:48 (two weeks ago) link

I thought licensing songs to films was primarily under the purview of most artists themselves and not their publishers.

I think it depends on a few things including, but not limited to, the relationship of the artist to their publisher, and whether or not the artist actually owns and controls their own publishing, and who controls the masters.

In 2011 a TV show wanted to use "Who Are You," but Universal wanted $150,000 -- totaling $300,000, because the same amount has to be paid to both the artist (for the song publishing) and Universal (for rights to the master). But if the show's producers went to Townshend directly, whatever price Townshend set determined the cost. In this instance, Pete watched some episodes of the show, read a synopsis of the episode, and said "How about $7500?" So the show got "Who Are You" for $15,000 which is apparently dirt cheap.

And based on Joe Pera Reads The Church Announcements, I assume a similar deal was struck between that show's producers and Townshend/Universal, because I doubt Joe Pera had a budget approaching six figures for an entire season.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 January 2023 20:37 (two weeks ago) link

In 2011 a TV show wanted to use "Who Are You," but Universal wanted $150,000 -- totaling $300,000, because the same amount has to be paid to both the artist (for the song publishing) and Universal (for rights to the master). But if the show's producers went to Townshend directly, whatever price Townshend set determined the cost. In this instance, Pete watched some episodes of the show, read a synopsis of the episode, and said "How about $7500?" So the show got "Who Are You" for $15,000 which is apparently dirt cheap.

Was that Louis CK's Louie? Terrible man, but that scene was hilarious.

his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Thursday, 19 January 2023 22:29 (two weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

De La Soul Is Dead reissues (cd, 2lp, cassette) drop April 7.

I only see black vinyl for now, unlike the 5 variations for 3 Feet.

ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Friday, 3 February 2023 16:10 (four days ago) link

sucks it took so long to get "The Magic Number" up on streaming. It was played over the closing credits of the Spiderman movie in 2021 and those Marvel movies are big awareness drivers for older songs.

INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Friday, 3 February 2023 16:27 (four days ago) link


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