De La Soul - Classic or Dud?

hip-hop people reviewing bionix all said
it sucked. indie rock type people reviewing
it said it was another classic from de
la soul. those are the only people who
reviewed it.

is STILL a really nice listen. if you take that song for face value away from the rest of the album, shows a real weird foreshadow of things Mo Wax/Beastie/Beck (mostly things I never cared too much for), but that weird international downtempo weird sample... it seemed to preface all that Cibo Matto/Stereolab/Stereototal (slow) modern rock-hop.

Not too big on De La Soul though; however, check this song out again if you haven't recently.

I played "Tryin'" before my brother's wedding a couple months ago, just to calm my nerves on a stressful day, and I damn near started to weep. The song is about being ready for the rest of your life, by guys obviously not ready for the rest of their lives.

All the records are great, but De La is greater than ever.

The Twin Cities hereby cast all their votes for "classic."

I'd swear there's a thread around here about mature hip-hop that I might have even started but I can't find it.

notions, soothed the mood

the first album kicks the 2nd's ass 8 ways to tuesday

"'De La Soul is Dead' is a better album than '3 Feet High...'" is the worst CHALLENGING OPINION in music criti

three feet high and rising was the first
hip-hop album i ever bought. buhloone
mind state was the second. it would be
cool to say bionix was the last one. but
it wasn't. it was good, though. the slick
rick one. 'held down.' 'bionix.' those
other ones.

hip-hop people reviewing bionix all said
it sucked. indie rock type people reviewing
it said it was another classic from de
la soul. those are the only people who
reviewed it.

-- DK, Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:46 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Link

o.O

i had a thing for making paper since papier-mache

dude you were the one that told me 3 Ft High was dylan's first rap album

I heard De La Soul Is Dead in its entirety before I heard Three Feet High and Rising in its entirety, which is part of the reason why I hold this allegedly controversial CHALLENGING OPINION.

its totally not a challenging opinion wtf people - but buhloone mind state is better than both of them anyway

i say this as someone who has listed to those three albums more than anyone on this board im sure

production on Buhloone is less unique than on 1st 2. They're all great. 2nd>>>1st>>>3rd.

buhloone mind state remains my pick too

3>2>1

but theyre all great obv

1st > 3rd > 2nd

I heard De La Soul Is Dead in its entirety before I heard Three Feet High and Rising in its entirety, which is part of the reason why I hold this allegedly controversial CHALLENGING OPINION.

this is what I assume of anyone who holds same

lol no i had 3 feet around when it cam out it kinda marked my devolution from someone who just listened to the radio and had a few albums to a music obsessive. i remember seeing the video for me myself and i on bet at a friends house and being all wtf is this must have! then dead was the last tape i had before i got a cd player. i taped ringringring off the radio before the album came out and was all wtf at the new sound but it grew on me fast. then when buhloon came out it was just <3<3<3

3 feet is nice but they got sooo much better at everything

3 feet is nice but they got sooo much better at everything

I pretty much agree with this.

so do I. 1st and 2nd are both more "fun" (having guru guest on a track will do that, though har har). 3rd I guess a lil TOO good ie refined.

(tho i guess having biz guest cancels out guru)

omglol i am watching de la videos on youtube omg!

http://static1.videosift.com/thumbs/d/el/De_La_Soul_Me_Myself_And_I.jpg

this hair whaaaa!

2>4>1=3

For a long time I wrote off the AOI Bionix lps, but on repeat listen I think they are tight. I saw them perform at DEMF in 01 and they were great.

they got better at smooth jazz soul jams. but the 1st album is alive in a way those that follow are not and it's got the best wordplay by far. also, i like hippies and the color yellow.

Buhloone Mind State is better than the first two. It's like desert island material.

I've read some of your reviews and could say the same.

Also arent you the guy who said hip hop is jazz? Lol.

arms too short to box with god ^^^

^^^lyrical references too hackneyed to really zing

you guys can pile on me, i dont mind, glad to help with the community bonding on this site, and i'll admit sure my buhloone reading is a bit off (was going on memory really, and a song like i am i be) but i stand by the notion that they have boring voices. i get that saying such a revered group has 'boring' voices might irk when worded in that way (low key might have been fairer) but compared to rap voices like say (and im only using others from the same era to be fair), q tip, kool keith, wu-tang, snoop, souls of mischief, del, de la are hardly the most interesting vocal characters. id say the same about gza, mos def and plenty other rappers who still make good songs and good albums.

well, "boring" is a pejorative and "low key" isn't. they mean two different things.

as far as the "pile on". i think i tried to engage with you earnestly on the "limitations of hip hop" thread until it was clear you didn't actually want a discussion about it. frankly, everyone here has been on the internet a long ass time and the way you post in a sort of professorial, condescending tone about black artists (here, limitations of hip hop, the prince thread) and how they lack in your eyes, puts up a lot of people's antennas here as signals of being ways of saying racially problematic things in code, let's say. you also don't really regard anyone else's opinion on hip hop or anything else, that's pretty clear.

also it is a community, so if you don't have a long history of posting and people understanding where you're coming from, you're not going to get as much benefit of the doubt.

imagine thinking GZA and Mos Def have boring voices. Not even sure what "boring" means to you at this point.

in fairness, maybe candyman thinks their voices can drill holes through things

Maybe a non-boring voice is supposed to sound like Bobcat Goldthwaite's.

imagining now the emo philips of rap

so... Danny Brown?

CHECK

just sort of making a general point here, not responding to candyman directly, but posdnous has an incredible rap voice, flat out. immediately distinctive, conveys his personality that frames his poetic style w a kind of casual profundity that's impossible to replicate

am i a fan of pos' rap style bc i know when i hear his voice the music is going to be good, or was the music good because of his rap style? a contradiction at the heart of great art ofc

Also arent you the guy who said hip hop is jazz? Lol.

― candyman, Wednesday, February 17, 2021 3:10 AM (eleven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

d-40 still otm here

pops used to say it reminded him of bebop

don't you know that things go in cycles?

posdnous has an incredible rap voice, flat out. immediately distinctive, conveys his personality that frames his poetic style w a kind of casual profundity that's impossible to replicate

otm, close thread

xp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VsgkIE-RHg

Apart from insisting on your poorly defended opinion, candyman, I'd be more offended if ILM mattered to more than, like, 50 people. De La Soul, whose classic albums aren't streaming on Spotify, doesn't need any more wiping out.

"you post in a sort of professorial, condescending tone about black artists (here, limitations of hip hop, the prince thread) and how they lack in your eyes, puts up a lot of people's antennas here as signals of being ways of saying racially problematic things in code"

im fine with being thought of as being condescending towards hip hop, i have a love hate relationship with it. i can accept that. condescending towards all black artists? thats kind of weird. its prob more that the musicians i love are mostly black artists, and i am a critical person. i mean, i posted in the 'is jack white indefensible' thread here and made comments that are hardly full of adulation about his solo material.

anyway, i dont want to make this thread about me. ill leave you all to it.

actually, one thing that does bother me about your post is this specious idea of 'racially problematic things in code'. you are aware that there are many schools of thought within black music, that liking black music does not mean you have to like it *all*, arent you? that you can quite literally have a branford and a wynton in the same family? maybe think about that before you throw around ding-ding allegations.

i thought you were leaving

I'm just describing the dynamic of what's happening

you're so fuckin smart I'm surprised you don't catch on

The breadth of Black music is best described by contrasting two siblings who are both jazz musicians, I agree

if that's all you draw from a comparison of those two jazz musicians, then idk what to tell you. wynton is a big rap hater and jazz traditionalist, brandon was at one point big rap ally and collabo'd with public enemy, dj premier, etc etc.

"you're so fuckin smart I'm surprised you don't catch on"

i never said i was smart. youre just reading something into the way i type. its funny actually as i often read posts here from ppl in this forum and think they reek of pomposity, in-crowd smugness and self-satisfaction! so maybe, think of it as me just trying to fit in :)

argh, auto correct. *branford

i often read posts here from ppl in this forum and think they reek of pomposity, in-crowd smugness and self-satisfaction!

sounds like a plan.

*this forum should be 'this thread'

i'm not going to argue that ILX (and ILM in particular) can't be an insular community but the general assimilation of newcomers around here often starts from OH YEAH HERE'S MY OPINION and evolves into non-confrontational conversation; why not skip the line?

what a cocksnot.

crocker!

HOOOOOOOOLY... pic.twitter.com/5ovLNhePvC

— Dee Phunk (@DeePhunk) February 18, 2021

Teen Titans Go is really the best

they spelled "Joliceur" and "Posdnuos" correctly but couldn't get "Pasemaster," tsk

would've been very amused if they pulled back to reveal an animated prince paul watching this whole scene from a distance with a sour look on his face

is the evil music stealing alien named Srehthob Renraw?

Yobymmot

"what a cocksnot."

does your mum allow you to use the internet?

obviously, anal wart.

now i have a question for you:

how many times did the batmobile catch a flat?

how many feathers are on a perdew (?) chicken?

nada nunca.

"oh wow, 100 new answers about the great rap group de la soul, this should be fun!" i thought to myself before i actually started reading the posts in this thread

lol

don't even

def worst revive of the year so far

i mean that TTG clip was dope but

thanks. i can finally say i was a part of something noetworthy.

that no one clowned candyman for being british tells me ILM has evolved <3