Britney Spears: Classic or Dud?

Songs : All the ones I've heard (the hits) sound good. Gets extra points for cartoonish voice.

Attitude : All that virginal Christian/Mickey Mouse Club/lust-for- fame nonsense = DUD

But total dud to her tanning bed addiction. What's that about? Weirdo.

Getting tans: Classic or Dud? Anyone who's seen me in person knows my vote on that one.

britney is the owner of all of our hearts. yes, all. she's the uber-madonna and the only thing better than her now is what she may likely become, but babe, ditch justin, eh? (and if madonna were to collaborate with brit, jesus would forgive her all her sins.) let's just hope that she avoids the pitfall that is "maturity" and heads straight for "mature audiences only." can't wait for the greatest hits album.

I don't actually think I've ever written anything on FT about her. She's always held up as something FT likes, though. But, OK, if I was doing the Top 100 Singles Of The 90s again I would probably put "...Baby One More Time" at No.1. (NB: there are about half-a- dozen singles I think this about every time I hear them, so "Top Ten" is probably a more factual answer)

I've actually started fancying Britney a bit which is really worrying. As I was saying to Ethan on IM (TomFT26, good people), it's kind of like if you were a Moonie and in an arranged marriage, and saw your new spouse every day and were constantly being reminded that you were meant to fancy them, you probably would end up doing so a bit.

Obligatory perving out of the way, Britney would be more suited to a Search/Destroy kind if thing - and I say search '... baby one more time' (the song) & (just about) 'Ooops, I did it again' (the song). Destroy: the Rest.

As for her appearance, she's a very cute girl, but she needs to stop with the weird orange tanned skin. That's my qualm. Her clothes are fine, they are ROCK. But the skin is like alien skin.

The "No talent? So what abt the dancing then?" thingum also raises its quiet head again: is THAT "manufactured"? Or is, y'know, callisthenic physicality the anti-christ?

Good! I hope she kills herself, too.

You're quite correct there and a good thing it is too. Classic of course. The ballads I don't have any time for. The rest is catholic- cyber-doll-pop-sypmhonic-funk of the highest order.

If one could make a time capsule of "The Most Perlexing Trends In Early 00s Culture" to be opened in the future by space aliens, surely it would contain Britney and Eminem.

Perverts. ;)

Christina just has some ass awful songs, that's her problem.

These days I just shrug. Couple of good songs, though (I will go to my grave insisting "Baby One More Time" is NOT one of them and that the allegedly similar "Oops I Did It Again" is thousands of times better thanks to the bassline).

Her US chart history really is odd, I would have thought "I'm a Slave 4 U" and "Piece of Me" were top tens also

I love “Til the World Ends”

listening to it now

what about "3"?

Huh I thought “Slave 4 U” was a top 10 hit in the US. In Europe and LatinAmerica it definitely was. Was the video too much or got censored for American audiences?

the "i'm a slave 4 u" video was really big on mtv. it was radio that didn't play it much compared to a lot of her other songs.

What is this #freebritney shyt?

Seems like fans reading too much into things?

Does the new song ("Swimming in the Stars") slap? I'm trying to decide.

I briefly got very excited in the final thirty seconds when it threatened to go drum & bass, but turns out it's the cruellest mirage ever.

beat the press by the butthole surfers sums up her material!

she's no William Orbit, that's for true

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is0hVNZJTOU beat the press by the butthole surfers sums up her material!

https://i.ibb.co/BzHvRkp/mashup-video-of-a-baby-goat-that.jpg

So this NYT documentary on Hulu is something. The Y2K era paparazzi scene was even more vile than I remember.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXG28S8cAJU

I just discovered her Instagram (via an article around the doc and "Free Britney" phenomenon) -- it's a trip.

What is this #freebritney shyt?

Seems like fans reading too much into things?

free britney

fuck everyone else in this story

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jul/01/britney-spears-judge-denies-request-to-remove-father-jamie-from-conservatorship

But why?

that’s fucked up

I reiterate fuck everyone except britney

the why I assume includes a lot of misogyny and ableism

This is an absolute travesty.

It is beyond terrifying that your rights can be taken away permanently after a mental health crisis.

I can't find the tweet I saw last night that delved into it a little more clearly, but apparently that Variety article from yesterday was just reporting on a ruling made in November 2020, before her testimony, and has a very misleading headline.

I mean, not to dispute how tragic and horrible this entire thing is, but apparently she still needs to file a new petition and her request was not freshly quashed after that testimony.

It's like they timed it with Cosby's release just for maximum shittiness. Ugh.

agh, missed jon's posts. nm

it wasn't a ruling made in november, it was a ruling on the request to have her dad removed from the conservatorship then

timing is just coincidental

*the request made then

Right sorry, I was trying to find the tweet that cleared it all up. Important takeaway that was buried in the Variety article and not mentioned in the misleading headline, is that it wasn't a fresh denial in light of her testimony from last week, which is the narrative that, perhaps understandably, took off on twitter last night.

Britney's...free?

https://www.tmz.com/2021/08/12/britney-spears-jamie-spears-conservator-step-down/

(Not quite yet as such, but read the whole thing.)

Sounds like it's true (for those who avoid TMZ links): https://variety.com/2021/music/news/britney-spears-father-jamie-spears-quits-conservator-1235040690/

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CZ3CYZ4gF5l/?utm_medium=copy_link

:/

not a word of a lie 🙌

and like we can go easy on the slantyface, ya grl don’t need that energy unless she goes nazi or antivax or whatever (knock on wood)

what do we think about "cold heart" pt 2?

i like it on first listen. obviously very shameless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hLtlzkoGPk

It's no Solid Wall of Sound.

Britney's voice is not suited to this kind of melody at all, I actually love her vocal fry and how she uses it to convey sexiness or urgency or sadness in so many other songs but this doesn't work.

"Her US chart history really is odd, I would have thought "I'm a Slave 4 U" and "Piece of Me" were top tens also"

I know this comment was three years ago, but yes, I didn't realise until that post that "Slave 4 U" wasn't even a top twenty hit in the US. It reached number 27.

I always assumed she had hit after hit, but purely in terms of single chart placings she had a freak #1 with "Baby One More Time" in the US then had flop after flop until 2007-2012 then flop after flop again. She was far more popular on our side of the pond. I wonder if it's something to do with chart rules in the US. They have weird chart rules about radio play.

e.g. "Born to Make You Happy" got to number one here in the pop-loving UK but wasn't even released in the US. I always thought that song sounded sad. There's an air of desperation about it. There's a certain kind of song I associate with standing in Blockbuster Video or McDonalds on a winter's night at 09:30 and the rain is lashing down and its miserable, but there's supposedly cheerful pop music on the tannoy that sounds desperately sad because you're in the Blockbuster / Argos / McDonalds contemplating your life choices.

https://www.vulture.com/article/britney-spears-conservatorship-fans-conspiracy-theory

https://www.vulture.com/article/britney-spears-conservatorship-fans-conspiracy-theory.html

(maybe this link works)

Interesting article... some of these folks need to get a grip. (Wonder why it doesn't address the recent Victor Wembanyama thing)

stories like this really make it clear how thin the line is between Qanon & the rest of the general public

Her audiobook is currently free on Spotify — anyone else listening to it? I’m on ch 13 iirc.
I love the part of all musical memoirs where they talk about their childhood relationship w music.

I found her book really frustrating. It felt like it was written by AI, or maybe under-written (in the literal sense). She's just like this automaton - and then I did this, and then I did this, I went out for drinks, and then I recorded an album and went on tour, and so on. Just no revelations and the most shallow bits of introspection, no details or insight where I hoped to get some. And lots of red flags that made me question her credibility. Like when she dismisses the claim of some bodyguard at a hearing that she was doing drugs because "he wasn't cross-examined," but then a couple of pages later she writes "I probably shouldn’t admit to this, but I was hell on wheels. I was taking a lot of Adderall." And then a couple of pages after that, after defending her behavior as overblown, admitting "I’d had my moments. I’d had my wild spell. I’d been high on Adderall and acted crazy." Or claiming news of her distress was inflated, and then in the next chapter she literally admits she had a breakdown.

More troubling are bits where she keeps getting busted popping unnamed "energy pills" that she defends as harmless because they're over the counter, or how she repeatedly and specifically pines for alcohol when she's being controlled in the conservatorship, downplaying her drinking while admitting to getting "wasted." There are passages that remind me of the Chappelle Rick James sketch (where he denies rubbing his boots on Eddie Murphy's couch and then in the next breath admits it). In her case, "When I walked in, she screamed at me and we got into a huge fight. She said it was because I was wasted. She wasn’t wrong. I absolutely was. But ... " etc.

Just kind of extra sad, since even now, in the book, in the *title* of the book, she continues on this self-infantilization track. Yes, I was legally an adult, but I still felt like a kid. I may be 40, but I feel like I'm only now becoming an adult. And so on. She was treated like shit and taken advantage of, but never once seems to learn lessons from her mistakes (mistakes she readily admits to) that would have saved her so much trouble and pain. And even more tragic, never questions her circumstances, or invokes her agency, just doing what she's told from the start, unaware she can ever say no, or that she has options. Like, she's given a court-appointed lawyer that she apparently pays $500,000 a year, not realizing she could hire her own lawyer until *13 years* have passed. Just rough. I wish someone had been looking out for her.

the whole thing is terribly sad to me

I'm not sure if I can read the book

some of her mouth noises are more interesting than 95% of what the entire music industry can do with their whole voices, I still listen to some of her tracks to this day on repeat more than I can stomach most other pop songs, and when she was younger, in interviews, she had the maturity of the world, and the kindness

the whole story over the years is just painful. brilliant artist

I listened to the audiobook and it’s good to hear Britney on Britney in her own words, on her own terms. What comes through most strongly in spite of having MW read the book: this is pure Brit. She’s funny, silly, an adrenaline junkie, loving mom, enthusiastic dancer/singer, and complicated person. I was glad I spent the time.

the whole story over the years is just painful. brilliant artist

― Swen, Sunday, January 28, 2024 12:29 PM bookmarkflaglink

Yeah - she had to contend with a fuck-ton of pressure from a very young age, even before becoming the obsession of creepy paparazzos pointing out every little imperfect thing she did, or turning her head-shaving into a punchline and mocking her for it.

Looking forward to the book. I did have a problem with the lionizing some did of the #FreeBritney movement. Obviously, it is a good thing that she was to get out of her conservatorship, which is what she wanted, and I do think most people did have her best wishes at heart, but a fairly sizable portion of that movement had and still has a terrifying understanding of boundaries. and people want to "No True Scotsman" away these folks like they're a handful of randos but...they're not.

Last year, Britney deleted her Instagram, and a bunch of these 'fans' called the Ventura County Sheriff's Office, demanding they do a welfare check. Which they did, found Britney was fine, and Britney begged for fans to respect her privacy. Many of them seeing her act in ways they didn't like, like posting nudes/lewds on Instagram, and posting about it, concerned, as if they wanted her freedom so she could act in the way THEY approved of. some of them even expressing regret for her being released from her conservatorship. of course, some of these people are just the same assholes that were gawking at her before too, but it's disheartening to see after she got what she needed, fans don't want to let her enjoy her newfound freedom.

still a lot of work to be done - https://www.cbc.ca/arts/britney-spears-freebritney-mental-illness-cultural-reckoning-1.6784718

I think ... yeah, she's complicated. I think she still faces a number of challenges.

it feels like part of the problem in the cultural reckoning, if there is a problem and maybe it's just a point of relevance, is that there seems to be a need for the assignment of blame. feels like maybe it's not all everybody's fault, nor is it all her fault in terms of credibility etc, but there is a gray area in between. and regardless, I think the hope is maybe she can unpack some more art in the second half of her life.