Kickstarter / Bandcamp / etc - C or D?

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A good business model that adapts to these topsy-turvy download-y times? Or tantamount to groveling? Also, which is better?

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 20 December 2010 02:54 (eight years ago) link

They both seem pretty great to me, but also very different. Does bandcamp involve funding?

Mark, Monday, 20 December 2010 03:02 (eight years ago) link

bandcamp and kickstarter appear to be two very different things xpost

Does bandcamp involve funding?

no

elizabeth pisstake club (electricsound), Monday, 20 December 2010 03:03 (eight years ago) link

Oh, I see. Bandcamp is the 'pay what you like' site, then?

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 20 December 2010 03:14 (eight years ago) link

Friend of mine is funding their thesis film thru Kickstarter (pretty successfully, it seems)

Death Cabron For Cutie (admrl), Monday, 20 December 2010 03:15 (eight years ago) link

pledgemusic is something similar to kickstarter but just specific to music

elizabeth pisstake club (electricsound), Monday, 20 December 2010 03:19 (eight years ago) link

right now you can help fund the new cast and cornershop records

elizabeth pisstake club (electricsound), Monday, 20 December 2010 03:19 (eight years ago) link

aw. i have a bittersweet feeling about kickstarter. it is cool and all, but we had $1400 pledged towards the soulstreamers which would have totally helped get us off the ground, but we lost it all since we didn't meet the entire goal. it was sad because at least with the $1400 we would have paid off the trailer and been partially on the way there...

Sister is dating a (CONTROVERSIAL MOD EDIT) (Nijoli), Monday, 20 December 2010 03:23 (eight years ago) link

what was your goal?

Death Cabron For Cutie (admrl), Monday, 20 December 2010 03:28 (eight years ago) link

Bandcamp has been a solid 'C'. Kudos to them for not adding in a whole bunch of myspace/facebook 'networking' guff and having an A+ stats section.

What is Kickstarter?

The Jolly Roget's Thesaurus (S-), Monday, 20 December 2010 03:37 (eight years ago) link

funding site for the arts

good if you have fans

which means it would be useless for me

elizabeth pisstake club (electricsound), Monday, 20 December 2010 03:38 (eight years ago) link

I mean, we were very short of our goal. I am just saying that the funds would have help, even if it wouldn't have gotten us on the road.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/344806759/soulstreamers-a-mobile-music-project-to-keep-vinyl

Sister is dating a (CONTROVERSIAL MOD EDIT) (Nijoli), Monday, 20 December 2010 03:38 (eight years ago) link

helped, obv.

Sister is dating a (CONTROVERSIAL MOD EDIT) (Nijoli), Monday, 20 December 2010 03:39 (eight years ago) link

you did pretty fucking good, it seems to me. Sorry you didn't make it!

Now who here wants to pay for my next film?

Death Cabron For Cutie (admrl), Monday, 20 December 2010 03:40 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, we did really well. That was my point. We could have used that money and instead lost all of it because it is all or nothing with Kickstarter. :( In retrospect, this project would already be on it's way if we had that $1400 back then so I guess we should have made the goal lower. Instead, we still don't have a renovated trailer and we missed out on $1400 that people were wanting us to have.

Sister is dating a (CONTROVERSIAL MOD EDIT) (Nijoli), Monday, 20 December 2010 03:42 (eight years ago) link

The Mekons just funded a movie doc through kickstarter. They had some big name literary and musicial assistance

curmudgeon, Monday, 20 December 2010 03:55 (eight years ago) link

I would pay for new record by favorite artist X. Specially after all the downloading I have done in my life. Roky Erickson should do this, would be rad.

Death Cabron For Cutie (admrl), Monday, 20 December 2010 03:56 (eight years ago) link

if you hit your target on kickstarter and get more pledged, do you get to keep that? would be handy if you set a lower target to at least get some cash rolling in, maybe.

cereal bad boy (haitch), Monday, 20 December 2010 04:00 (eight years ago) link

Yes, you get to keep whatever you raise

in my experience (that is, watching/contributing to other people's stuff) for kickstarter you really need a decent fanbase coming in. if you're really lucky the kickstarter people will feature you, but you tend to need the former first

that said, if you have that it's great. know someone who raised >31K from an originally 8K project

katherine (katherinesta), Monday, 20 December 2010 04:30 (eight years ago) link

yeah Kickstarter is tricky because their whole thing is they don't want you to raise half your goal and have a bunch of people still expecting you to finish your project without the whole amount you needed to get it done. you CAN kind of cheat the system by having some 3rd party help you meet the goal as kind of a loan, so that you can at least collect what had been pledged legitimately, which I'm not saying whether or not that's what happened with my project, but I'm just saying.

some dude, Monday, 20 December 2010 04:37 (eight years ago) link

ok

Death Cabron For Cutie (admrl), Monday, 20 December 2010 04:37 (eight years ago) link

I'm releasing my next album through bandcamp, I think. We're doing two songs a month for six months and then we'll actually have a vinyl pressed and sell that, but everyone downloads everything anyway so why not make it easy on them, frankly.

akm, Monday, 20 December 2010 05:47 (eight years ago) link

kickstarter: yeah good if you have fans or family. a friend financed the mxing of her album via kickstarter, but I think her family kicked in a lot of it. she was also relentless about nagging people on facebook which I'd have a problem doing.

akm, Monday, 20 December 2010 05:48 (eight years ago) link

isn't a one time ilxor heavily involved w/ kickstarter? anyway a ton of local (athens, ga) acts have used it, i think one even got mentioned in some times writeup about kickstarter; alot of local acts (generally the more redneck punk ones) regard it w/ disgust. it's basically a venture capital model applied to arts charity right? totally think it's a good thing.

balls, Monday, 20 December 2010 06:04 (eight years ago) link

if you hit your target on kickstarter and get more pledged, do you get to keep that? would be handy if you set a lower target to at least get some cash rolling in, maybe.

― cereal bad boy (haitch), Monday, 20 December 2010 04:00 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yes, you get to keep whatever you raise

So, if you were going to do something anyway with your own money, why not get a Kickstart thing, get some peeps to donate $, then donate to your 'goal' yourself if you're short and you'll be less out of pocket in the short term?

The Jolly Roget's Thesaurus (S-), Monday, 20 December 2010 06:12 (eight years ago) link

Which one time ilxor?

Death Cabron For Cutie (admrl), Monday, 20 December 2010 06:30 (eight years ago) link

i love bandcamp. a lot of my favorite bands are on it, i've discovered new bands through it, and i'm putting my own stuff there instead of myspace.

aka the pope (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 20 December 2010 15:44 (eight years ago) link

So, if you were going to do something anyway with your own money, why not get a Kickstart thing, get some peeps to donate $, then donate to your 'goal' yourself if you're short and you'll be less out of pocket in the short term?

― The Jolly Roget's Thesaurus (S-), Monday, December 20, 2010 1:12 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you can't donate to your own project (at least not with your own name/bank account -- obviously you can have a middleman or something)

some dude, Monday, 20 December 2010 15:46 (eight years ago) link

i like Band Camp a lot too btw, a lot of the local acts i cover have taken to it and it's become a really nice to way to keep track of artists who previously i had to go on goddamn MySpace to hear new stuff from

some dude, Monday, 20 December 2010 15:47 (eight years ago) link

bandcamp is great.

i'm deeply suspicious of bands raising money to make albums via kickstarter though. maybe i'm just being a hater, but there's something weird about wanting your friends & fans pay for the entirety of your recording + mixing + mastering + duplication.

the other angle is that the band kickstarters that i've seen present it as "recording is expensive!". while i'm all about keeping studios in business, it seems like asking people to pay for your studio time is the easy way out when everyone else is buying some gear of their own, learning how to use it, and becoming at least somewhat self-sufficient.

bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Monday, 20 December 2010 16:06 (eight years ago) link

But a lot of the Kickstarter projects I've looked at will promise you a copy of the final product with your donation, so it's essentially like paying a few extra bucks above the cost of the cd to see that the cd gets made in the first place.

Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Monday, 20 December 2010 16:11 (eight years ago) link

I'm in for Marissa Nadler's new album through Kickstarter. Was in the I Like Trains pledgemusic one too, but Marissa's seems better value.

progspeed you! black metallers (aldo), Monday, 20 December 2010 16:12 (eight years ago) link

yeah...w/ music projects i think using Kickstarter treads a fine line. because either you have a fanbase and probably don't NEED to ask for the money (or wouldn't if you'd managed your career a little better or had slightly better luck), or you have no substantial fanbase and you're just kind of asking family and friends to help you make a CD they probably won't listen to. my project was a research-intensive book project, i don't know if that exactly makes my use of it better in any way, i may be a hypocrite, i'm just saying.

some dude, Monday, 20 December 2010 16:20 (eight years ago) link

I think the chief problem I have with Kickstarter, at least as far as funding music projects goes, is that musicians are often terrible at managing money. Someone I know in a middling indie band (who shall remain nameless) put up a Kickstarter a year or so and got a fair amount of money to put towards the recording of a new album. One year on and there's no sign of the album, and I see him getting asked questions about it on Facebook all the time, with vague "it's coming soon" promises from him in return. I don't exactly know what he's done with the money, but I'm pretty sure most of it's been blown on boozing and partying.

Position Position, Monday, 20 December 2010 16:45 (eight years ago) link

So, if you were going to do something anyway with your own money, why not get a Kickstart thing, get some peeps to donate $, then donate to your 'goal' yourself if you're short and you'll be less out of pocket in the short term?

― The Jolly Roget's Thesaurus (S-), Monday, December 20, 201

That was our idea, but at the last minute when I tried to do that, I was made aware that I couldn't. I was trying to find someone - anyone - to donate (even just in theory) the last bit to make it happen but to no avail.

Sister is dating a (CONTROVERSIAL MOD EDIT) (Nijoli), Monday, 20 December 2010 18:34 (eight years ago) link

yeah there's a lot of ins and outs of how KS works that sometimes you don't know or think about until you've started your project -- really that's the main reason i'm being pretty forthright in this thread about how mine went down, in case the info helps anyone else here down the road

some dude, Monday, 20 December 2010 21:00 (eight years ago) link

Oh, I know Heather! At least I know her from the store in Knoxville. Rad store, great gal. I'm tapped but I know some folks who might be into this - will alert 'em. This is a really cool idea.

Friendly advice - I'd offer some sort of physical product (I'm assuming these mixes you're offering are sent via email?) in exchange for pledges.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 2 January 2011 00:18 (eight years ago) link

Thanks for that offer! You are very sweet. The mixes offered as incentives, though, are the actual mixes named on kickstarter and recorded live by the three of us. We send out the actual mix with our own covers and such.

Are you in Knoxville? When did I meet you? I live in Kill Devil Hills now, though. I left Lost and Found in December to move out here.

Sister is dating a (CONTROVERSIAL MOD EDIT) (Nijoli), Sunday, 2 January 2011 00:51 (eight years ago) link

Verbena dudes / Wooden Wand just launched one of these

Hem Gems, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 21:03 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

whoa. just found out that one of the cofounders of kickstarter is a guy i went to college with. worked at the college radio station with him. he also posted on ILX for a while.

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 18:46 (eight years ago) link

started this thread e.g.

New from the DFA...

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 18:52 (eight years ago) link

Yancey is one of the kickstarter cofounders?

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 18:53 (eight years ago) link

yeah i thought it was common knowledge that yancey was one of the main KS guys. also i always thought of him as a pretty major part of ILM for however many of the early years he was posting.

some dude, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 19:06 (eight years ago) link

I read his on-again/off-again blog for a couple years before I even found ILM and was glad to find him here. Was disappointed when he stopped posting. Cool that that's what he's up to these days.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 19:07 (eight years ago) link

four weeks pass...

kickstarter kickin knowledge

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkck96gjE71qz4ede.png
Projects that reach 30% of their funding goal succeed more than 90% of the time. You can see that as the line turns green, the percent of projects that succeed approaches 100%.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 29 April 2011 16:34 (eight years ago) link

that's kind of a "no duh" statistic though, isn't it?

hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Friday, 29 April 2011 19:18 (eight years ago) link

i mean the curve could be steeper or flatter i guess but it's kind of like saying "people who grow to be 5'9" are more likely to end up over 6 feet tall"

hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Friday, 29 April 2011 19:20 (eight years ago) link

we were all 3 feet tall once

don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Friday, 29 April 2011 19:26 (eight years ago) link

No it shouldn't affect prices for US buyers as far as I know. Some other non-EU countries are part of the scheme though I think

It's pretty confusing and most of the relevant bodies seem to be under/misinformed and offering poor information.

Noel Emits, Thursday, 18 December 2014 17:03 (four years ago) link

I know a lot of small UK ebook publishers are freaking out/giving up because of the rules.

ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Thursday, 18 December 2014 23:25 (four years ago) link

four months pass...

This is a good article about Kickstarter: www.nytimes.com/2015/05/03/magazine/zpm-espresso-and-the-rage-of-the-jilted-crowdfunder.html

Also my sister's husband has a Kickstarter going right now for a prospective business and it's stressing me out. They've raised a lot of money but still have a big chunk to go in the next couple of days.

Immediate Follower (NA), Monday, 4 May 2015 19:49 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

I'm seeing something weird in my Bandcamp stats. I haven't really been very active (I put up an EP a week or two ago but didn't really promote it much) but this is my "Buzz" chart for the past two months:
http://imgur.com/I8RSsLY
The spikes around June 22 are when I put up the EP. But the other spikes all have either 65 or 66 direct visits, and they're exactly two weeks apart. They don't correspond to any actual listens to my music.

Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 1 July 2015 19:27 (four years ago) link

four weeks pass...

bandcamp question -- how to delete a tag on a track? a friend was trying to help me get my shit together on bc and she put a nonsense word there (no idea why) and now i can't get rid of it

La Lechera, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 15:51 (four years ago) link

Edit > Tags in the lower right

lil urbane (Jordan), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 16:20 (four years ago) link

Thaaaank u

La Lechera, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 16:25 (four years ago) link

i still can't find the spot to delete tag -- i can add them in the edit screen but i can't get to this one nonsense tag to get rid of it
everything else has made sense and been more or less easy, but this is driving me nuts!

La Lechera, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 20:27 (four years ago) link

oh i guess you can set tags at artist, album, and track level. so try editing at each of those.

lil urbane (Jordan), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 20:34 (four years ago) link

i did! i still can't get rid of it.
so irritating.

La Lechera, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 20:39 (four years ago) link

three weeks pass...

i got rid of it!

urgent question for bandcamp users: i know that i can upload as .wav, .flac, or .aif but the files i have are .aiff

1) i think i can convert via audacity but i don't know which one to convert to, if any
2) is there a format that people like better where the cover image is attached to the songs and everything is tagged correctly?

i have never done this before, excuse my noob questions

La Lechera, Friday, 21 August 2015 20:30 (four years ago) link

.aif and .aiff are the same.

sarahell, Friday, 21 August 2015 20:32 (four years ago) link

ok
is that the one i should upload as then? is that a file type that people will not complain about?

La Lechera, Friday, 21 August 2015 20:39 (four years ago) link

I do FLAC cause it is smaller than WAV size-wise (and so loads faster plus I do looooonnng tracks and if they go over a certain size they won't load at all). That is all I have figured out though, i.e., FLACs make sense for me cause of the file size.

grandavis, Friday, 21 August 2015 20:45 (four years ago) link

I have never had anyone complain, and I think they can request an MP3 if they want one too (i.e., don't want a large file on their hard drive or whatever).

grandavis, Friday, 21 August 2015 20:46 (four years ago) link

there are a couple of long ones (8 and 12 min) so maybe i should try those first and then see
i don't have the pro account either so this may take a while?

La Lechera, Friday, 21 August 2015 20:55 (four years ago) link

Well, for me long means like 30 minutes or more (I post a number of live sets), so you should be A-OK with most formats, but the smaller the file the faster it loads of course.

grandavis, Friday, 21 August 2015 21:08 (four years ago) link

ok that's good! i'll just leave them as is then

La Lechera, Friday, 21 August 2015 21:16 (four years ago) link

i forget, isn't there a track length limit for bandcamp?

Honestly, in terms of which one you use as source for bandcamp doesn't really matter, unless you have super high quality recordings, as people can choose what format they want to download, and the on-site player is independent of that.

sarahell, Sunday, 23 August 2015 02:39 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

http://amazon.bandcamp.com/

what the fuck?

moans and feedback (Dinsdale), Sunday, 25 October 2015 20:17 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

already up to $15,000, unsurprisingly.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 6 January 2016 02:16 (three years ago) link

Pre Intro: This whole project was created solely by me, Devin Tripp. I do not have permission from Disney to create this game as of now. Disney has no part of this as of now. I have received a reply from Disney telling me to ask Lucas Films.

Like many of us when we were kids, we wanted to be like Luke Skywalker or obi juan Kinobi, but like all of us, we do not live in a galaxy far far away. There might be another way though. With all the open world RPGs out there how is there not a good one for Star Wars? I have decided to take matters into my own hands and write a story in the star wars universe that will fit inside a RPG video game that I have not created. I am currently looking into talking with Disney if I am able to do this. If not then there might have to be a compromise on the name or some other parts. I need your help. I am not a very good programmer, and I'm an even worst artist. I want to put this project into the hands of professionals, but in order to do that I need money to hire them. This was my dream as a kid I hope you can share my same compassion, thank you.

There are many people out there that have the wrong image when they think about this game so I will go into deep detail as much as i can to get people more excited about this. As I know there are other "very good" games over Star Wars, but within the bounds of good taste, I believe that these RPG's over Star Wars have not reached their full potential. I do not feel immersed in these games. I am not talking about a 1995/2005 game that could be created in a month or two. I am talking about a Star Wars RPG that will completely blow people away; like "Fallout 4", or "The Witcher 3" did. These RPG's set the benchmark of how the future of RPG's should look, and they are a good blueprint to go on. I want to make something that is like this in some respects, but goes even further. It will have the graphics of "Battlefront" or better with the feel of "The Witcher 3".

The game and story will also have a lot of choice. You will be able to choose which side you would like to be on. You can be evil and reside on the Darkside and rule the galaxy as you wish, or you could also bring peace about the galaxy. Both in their own respects have their perks. Speaking of perks: Like "Fallout 4" there might or might not be perks in the game. At least not the same as they are in "Fallout". I do not want to give away much about the story, but I will give away that you do not start out as a Jedi, but later become one. As you progress your skills get better as your ability to use the force. It is very exciting that I have already gotten backers. I will be providing updates every couple of days, and answering any questions that you might have. I am still answering others so please be patient.

- Thank you, Devin Tripp

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 6 January 2016 02:17 (three years ago) link

there is no video, no interview, and no art past a poorly cropped Star Wars logo

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 6 January 2016 02:18 (three years ago) link

four months pass...

Stupid.

Austin, Friday, 27 May 2016 02:16 (three years ago) link

still only at 1% funding :-/

germane geir hongro (s.clover), Tuesday, 7 June 2016 19:44 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

http://i.imgur.com/ayWvFM3.png

just sayin, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 10:34 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

http://www.rockfeed.net/2016/11/03/people-pissed-allegaeon/

sarahell, Saturday, 5 November 2016 18:38 (two years ago) link

four months pass...

something very insignificant i've noticed about bandcamp and what happens if you hit << while you're in the middle of a song: a lot of online services replicate what would happen if you were in the middle of a song and hit << on a CD player, i.e., they return to the beginning of the song you are currently listening to. bandcamp, instead, jumps to the song prior to the one you're currently listening to.

na (NA), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 19:54 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

Pricing peeves:

1) Asking less for all tracks individually than for the album as a whole. Why u do that? Are we paying a premium for a neater looking collection and easier streaming or is it just sloppy arithmetic.

2) Asking more for the DL only than for a cassette (+DL). I've come across this quite a bit. It's nice for local buyers (while stocks last), but why ask overseas fans to pay more if they don't want to stump up the postage or care about physical? In addition there's VAT (~20%) on digital only for EU customers but NOT if it comes with a physical copy!

Do us a favour!

Noel Emits, Saturday, 24 June 2017 07:42 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

based on my experience as someone familiar with the pricing process, the answer to #1 is sloppy arithmetic -- they ask you to set an album price first, then they give you the option of selling the tracks individually. It would probably help with many people's arithmetic if they reversed the steps

sarahell, Monday, 10 July 2017 22:52 (two years ago) link

Can anyone tell me if tracks put up on Bandcamp are licensed for radio broadcast? In other words, can I play them on the radio, as opposed to Spotify which is specifically NOT licensed for broadcast?

sleeve, Monday, 24 July 2017 19:01 (two years ago) link

four months pass...

Is there any reason not to set up a Bandcamp page for a band?

djh, Tuesday, 28 November 2017 19:20 (one year ago) link

not that i know of -- bandcamp is great

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 28 November 2017 19:28 (one year ago) link

unless you don't want people to be able to listen to your music, then you should put your band's music somewhere else

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 28 November 2017 19:29 (one year ago) link

nope

i mean it's a separate hassle from having your music auto-distributed to the traditional stores, but also it's fun, and it's responsible for by far the largest share of purchases of my band's music

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 28 November 2017 19:43 (one year ago) link

I think the only limiting factor would be if you're a band with some sort of contract that denies you from doing so, but that's probably not a concern for very many people

mh, Tuesday, 28 November 2017 19:46 (one year ago) link

Thanks - appreciated.

djh, Tuesday, 28 November 2017 21:06 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

bandcamp app is almost unusable. does anyone here work for them, or know someone who does? if so tell em to get on that. the search function is insanely bad

flopson, Sunday, 23 December 2018 05:33 (eight months ago) link

three weeks pass...

bandcamp q for people who have multiple pages they manage:

i need to start a new one for a project that is not associated with any of my other projects. do you still need to have a separate email and login and all that if you want to start a new project (and don't have a personal page from which to branch things)?

halp
thank you in advance

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 19 January 2019 16:15 (seven months ago) link

I don't think you can have multiple bands with the same account. if you have gmail you can do the trick where you create a new account and for your email just put a period anywhere in the email address (ie John.smith@gmail instead of johnsmith@gmail). It'll treat it like a new email but the emails will come to your regular address.

na (NA), Saturday, 19 January 2019 17:09 (seven months ago) link

I believe you need separate addresses to sign up but than can authorize your main account email to manage everything.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 19 January 2019 17:38 (seven months ago) link

so confusing
i think i've got it under control now but my file is too big and the error message told me explicitly to "cut my ambient drone jam into smaller pieces"
lol!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 19 January 2019 17:48 (seven months ago) link

seven months pass...

"pay what you can" gives me existential dread for... well, several minutes but it's always tricky.

Funky Isolations (jed_), Friday, 30 August 2019 23:35 (two weeks ago) link

"pay what you can" gives me existential dread for... well, several minutes but it's always tricky.

― Funky Isolations (jed_), Saturday, 31 August 2019 00:35 (sixteen hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Coincidentally I just found an article about this very subject, pretty good I think.

https://radiofreemidwich.wordpress.com/2019/08/31/name-your-price-value-underground-in-the-age-of-bandcamp/

mirostones, Saturday, 31 August 2019 16:36 (two weeks ago) link

thanks!

Funky Isolations (jed_), Sunday, 1 September 2019 14:52 (two weeks ago) link

i keep going back and forth with the arguments the writer is making in that article ... starting with the overly simplistic take on the "DIY scene" ... maybe this is another case of America vs. Europe idk

I have spoken before about the true currency circulating being goodwill and it is more analogous to lifeblood oxygenating the scene than actual cash changing hands.

mostly true, but also no, and also it relates to a problem with the DIY scene ... because cash does change hands ... I think it's more accurate to say that the ever-circulating $20 is that "oxygenating lifeblood" and it also signifies goodwill, but it is still the $20 that goes from audience to artist to artist to audience member in the form of tips at the local where they are bartender, etc.. That's not the problem, the problem is "sustainability" or "continuity" because the "scene" is not completely outside the "system" and the goodwill will need to be converted into capitalist currency

sarahell, Monday, 2 September 2019 17:42 (one week ago) link

otm sarahell - i found that article incredibly frustrating in ways that i could only draw out if i went through the article again, which i refuse to do.

Funky Isolations (jed_), Thursday, 5 September 2019 22:44 (one week ago) link

Kickstarter Has Fired Two Union Organizers in Eight Days

If a union within the company is formed, Kickstarter will be the most prominent technology company with a unionized workforce.

This story is developing.

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Thursday, 12 September 2019 22:05 (three days ago) link


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