― Richard Tunnicliffe, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dr. C, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott bassett, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
"DON'T need a cure/DON'T need a cure!"
I had the surprise opportunity to run into David Thomas and I think
Ravenstine at the station I was at in 1991. I asked him about the
Living Colour and Peter Murphy covers of "Final Solution" -- said he
hadn't heard the LC one, but that Mr. M 'got rid of the solo' but
otherwise did a good job.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
After those: Spotty. Some excellent stuff, though, in among the
only okay stuff, and David Thomas hooking up with the very, very
creative Spaceheads (Two Pale Boys) is a brilliant move, I think.
― Jacob Anderson, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― dog latin, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
Ubu are at their best recording "avant-garage" (late early period)
than "pop/rock songs" (mid late period). That was a bit confusing.
Let's just say 'New Picnic Time-Song Of The Baling Man' =
"avant-garage". While 'The Modern Dance' or (mid late period) 'Story
Of My Life' = "pop/rock songs". Yes, even 'The Modern Dance' plays to
this weakness for song form, where Ubu are clearly best without song
form = the point.
However, David Thomas (singer/leader) is as good (if not slightly
better - let's just say different than Ubu, but in a good equal way)
solo than as Pere Ubu. With his box set 'Monster' as proof.
But, certainly if one wants truly "classic" and truly interesting
art-rock or art-punk...look no further. Some might go with Wire or The
Fall. I'll take Pere Ubu, anytime.
*Also, Pere Ubu are one of the greatest live rock bands ever (yes,
ever)...I've seen them twice - in support of 'Story of My Life'
opening for They Might Be Giants (sort of like Public Enemy and how
they used to open for the Beastie Boys) and again at a smaller club as
headliner in support of 'Raygun Suitcase'. Both times, great. Second
time, incredible. David Thomas is a natural on stage (oddly enough -
in that, one could see him as some sort of "anti-social" if they
didn't know better, with some of the lyrics and mumbling voice, etc).
― michael g. breece, Sunday, 1 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link
my take: two classic albums, followed by a string of spotty-to-
terrible ones, lost (to paraphrase i think mark) up their own arse of
determined non-repetition. the singles collected on terminal
tower, however, are a handful of the most towering documents in
the history of this rock music thing. made all the more powerful by
the fact that they were scrawled in black magic marker by wights from
collapsing ohio factory backwaters.
― jess, Thursday, 27 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dave225, Thursday, 27 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
I owned thee boxset a while back, & sold it, of course, duh. The
music was fine, but the cram-happy aesthetic ruined everything past
Disc 2. (And I never gave the Ubu-related music much of a spin, and
including live Ubu did nothing for me.) That said, I agree w/ Jess
on Modern Dance & Terminal Tower. Rock & roll drunk on the couch
with Pretentious Art, making out and drooling all over the place.
Pass the funnel, woo!
Dub Housing might be a grower, though I can't recall it well because
of the CRAP SEQUENCING on the boxset CDs, damn it. I have a tape
copy of Cloudland, which sounds just fine (if a bit happy-go-lucky,
which I don't expect from DT, despite his kiddie-clown voice). The
newer stuff (on Tim Kerr & Thirsty Ear) scares me because of all the
And what's this I hear about the 5-disc David Thomas boxset being
unbelievably awesome? Is this the truth?
― David Raposa, Thursday, 27 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― mark s, Thursday, 27 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dave225, Monday, 21 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Saturday, 24 August 2002 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 24 August 2002 21:55 (seventeen years ago) link
The Tenemant Years is good but not classic.
Cloudland is half classic (the last Paul Harman engineered half), and half crap (the Stephen Hague produced first half).
Worlds In Collision and Story Of My Life are not so hot all -- especially Eric Drew Feldman on synth -- his cartoony work is terrible to these ears -- completely lacking Ravenstine's touch or Wheeler in the later period. Completely POP in a cut out all the good parts way. (also, I don't think Cutler was a good fit with the band either).
Raygun Suitcase through St. Arkansas are a return to form, the resurrection of a band that almost sank during the Eric Drew Feldman period. Especially great is the return of Tom Herman. Also to be noted is the underrated playing of Jim Jones, a man who has done many excellent things but hasn't got the kudos he deserves.
― jack cole (jackcole), Saturday, 24 August 2002 22:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Saturday, 24 August 2002 23:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 25 August 2002 08:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 25 August 2002 09:28 (seventeen years ago) link
I've never been too sure whether it's 'peh-ray ooboo' or 'pear ooboo' or possibly even another way, any helpers?
― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Sunday, 25 August 2002 12:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 25 August 2002 13:04 (seventeen years ago) link
yeah picnic, walking where were i got dropped right in it, so dub was a bit too much popping dub and the guitar records too much guitar records like sonic youth
the late period stuff, well it's more measured austere and yet part of the continuum of not over till after the fat man's stopped singing that is pere ubu
these guys are carrying the torch for wacky alfred jarry and people complain about silly ok != surreal or sensible but maybe absurdist -- yet absurdism points fingers, reminds us we are the bourguiese (is that correct spelling ? just couldn't resist)
my gripe would be how easy to map to real world via absurdism (which in jarry's case mapped so well) is peter thomas ? anything to say ? (great effects dept.)
all credit to them though for being first to the millenium bug though via "Data Panic in the Year ..", so ahead of their time as much now as then someways -- do not C/D until, y'know, uh, loses some weight ??
― george gosset (gegoss), Sunday, 25 August 2002 13:38 (seventeen years ago) link
"The Tenement Year" may be a bit harder to find, as I do not think it was ever reissued. I've had a vinyl for a long time and got it before I found the first two LPs and the reissue of the early singles.
― earlnash, Sunday, 25 August 2002 19:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Sunday, 25 August 2002 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link
I think listening to quite a bit of electronic music in the past three or four years has changed my perspective of some of the more abstract/ambient/free form sounding songs.
I've never heard anything after "Pennsylvania" or the "St. Arkansas" albums, are they any count?
― earlnash, Monday, 28 July 2003 18:18 (sixteen years ago) link
― Pete Scholtes, Monday, 28 July 2003 20:26 (sixteen years ago) link
So is all Mr Thomas's solo / other stuff, especially Blame The Messenger, Mirror Man and the live CD with the "Monster" boxset.
"I've never heard anything after "Pennsylvania" or the "St. Arkansas" albums, are they any count?"
I don't believe you've missed any official releases since St Arkansas Earlnash, although there were a couple of live albums in between them: Apocalypse Now (which, as others have said above, is an excellent album) and The Shape Of Things (semi-official, dodgy 1976 live recordings, for completists only).
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 07:18 (sixteen years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 07:23 (sixteen years ago) link
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 07:53 (sixteen years ago) link
― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 10:36 (sixteen years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 10:41 (sixteen years ago) link
― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 10:50 (sixteen years ago) link
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 10:51 (sixteen years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 10:53 (sixteen years ago) link
Actually, I just checked the Ubu web site & found this:The left & right channels are reversed and the tape transfer left all songs running at a slower speed. All Rough Trade / Twin Tone cd & vinyl releases are affected. These faults were corrected by the 1994 digital transfer & eq. The 1998 cd reissue features the Mayo Thompson / Geoff Travis mixes of "Not Happy" and "Lonesome Cowboy Dave" as released on the 1981 Rough Trade single. The 1985 Twin Tone / Rough Trade releases use the David Thomas mixes done at Suma.
.. So I guess the CD is better than the LP.
― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 11:05 (sixteen years ago) link
I've never heard anything after "Raygun Suitcase" are the "Pennsylvania" or the "St. Arkansas" albums any count?
At least from the reviews, it seems if you like Pere Ubu, the last two albums will be to your liking. They are on my list and I probably will look for them when I go up to Bloomington/Indianapolis at the end of August.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 29 July 2003 13:32 (sixteen years ago) link
― Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Thursday, 8 September 2005 03:23 (fourteen years ago) link
― js (honestengine), Thursday, 8 September 2005 04:28 (fourteen years ago) link
― Sasha (sgh), Thursday, 8 September 2005 04:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Dub Housing is so classic. Total paranoid schizo vibe. I suppose buying more albums of theirs isn't strictly necessary but surely if you like the box set you'd like others?
― dar1a g (daria g), Thursday, 8 September 2005 05:26 (fourteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 8 September 2005 05:32 (fourteen years ago) link
― NickB (NickB), Thursday, 8 September 2005 07:15 (fourteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 8 September 2005 10:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Modern Dance > Dub Housing >>>>>>>>> everything else
― Raymond Douglas Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 September 2005 10:26 (fourteen years ago) link
The Wooden Birds - "Blame the Messenger"Rockets from the Tombs& the Peter Laughner disc.
-David Thomas solo records are also great, if you like 'Sentimental Journey'-Home and Garden records are spotty, but I really love some of em.
― when something smacks of something (dave225.3), Thursday, 8 September 2005 11:36 (fourteen years ago) link
― Sasha (sgh), Thursday, 8 September 2005 11:47 (fourteen years ago) link
― TRG (TRG), Thursday, 8 September 2005 12:00 (fourteen years ago) link
― when something smacks of something (dave225.3), Thursday, 8 September 2005 12:04 (fourteen years ago) link
not sure about the specifics for that box, but laughner material is in all kinds of weird legal limbo — there's been an archival reissue project in the works for almost a decade that's been postponed over and over.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 15:31 (three years ago) link
just seemed like a pretty glaring omission.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 15:38 (three years ago) link
they do have a Friction track on there that is on the take the guitar player for a ride collection.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 15:41 (three years ago) link
it's a great box though. filled with essentialness that is essential. every home should have one. in the basement next to the batteries and flashlights and jugs of water.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 15:45 (three years ago) link
THere wasa great cd compilation I bought called Take The Guitar Player For A ride, but i think it was OOP when I last bought it.
Is there a book on the Cleveland scene yet beyond the section of From The Velvets TO The Voidoids?
Was 'Those Were Different Times' a book or a magazine article?
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 15:49 (three years ago) link
the guitar player comp is out of print which is why you should grab it if you see a cd or vinyl version in a store.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 15:54 (three years ago) link
and it is likewise essential, but it always bums me out when some vital piece of history has to be left off of a project like the datapanik box for extra-musical reasons. he was a founding father.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 15:55 (three years ago) link
Those Were Different Times = fanzine article i think
at least that's where i read it (tho where my copy of said fanzine currently is in my flat i could not tell you)
― mark s, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 15:57 (three years ago) link
I wish I still had the datapanik box. I went through hard times when I sold so many things.
I mean I have all those albums 'digitally' but that was such a great roundup.
― chip n dale recuse rangers (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 21 March 2017 16:07 (three years ago) link
Grabbed the 2nd version when it was cheap on Amazon. 1st version had been falling apart on me for ages by then.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 20:17 (three years ago) link
I've always been intrigued by this weirdness ever since the Comsat Angels first few albums got reissued in the early 2000s. In the liner notes for those reissues, Steve Fellows and Mik Glaisher had nothing but totally glowing things to say about Mr. Thomas and his band. Always kept that in the back of my mind, as anything that was as influential as they claimed Pere Ubu to have been on them was surely significant.
Got a few of the early things —the `75-`77 singles comp, The Modern Dance, and New Picnic Time— and have given them each one go `round so far. The very early stuff is so absurdly out of step with everything else around it, it's actually totally refreshing music. Really dazzling stuff.
At this point, I'm less of a fan of the whole schtick of New Picnic Time; wherein, band creates seemingly just on the edge of freeform madness while Dave rants squeals about over top of it all. But, who knows, a little time may do the trick.
― Austin, Thursday, 8 June 2017 23:35 (two years ago) link
Dub Housing > New Picnic Time. Try that one.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 9 June 2017 00:18 (two years ago) link
more like >>>>>>>>
― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Friday, 9 June 2017 00:19 (two years ago) link
Well, if it means anything, I liked the ones I got enough to search out and mail order Dub Housing. We'll see when it gets here.
― Austin, Friday, 9 June 2017 03:30 (two years ago) link
New PT is still pretty good. It's the next couple of lps I have less time for. Find them too abstract.I think the Datapanik box is pretty necessary plus Shape Of Things plus The Day The Earth Met Rocket From The Tombs. Plus any live stuff you can find up to about 78, possibly 79.I do like the reunion stuff from the late 80s too. Not heard much more recent stuff.
Incidentally there's a new memoir by the Electric Eels' Brian McMahon out through Hozac Books. Looks interesting but pricey.
― Stevolende, Friday, 9 June 2017 06:10 (two years ago) link
New album coming, one song previewed here.
― nickn, Saturday, 1 July 2017 07:42 (two years ago) link
New record out today, streaming in the usual locations, first blush is its good, def a bit different then the last couple (which I love), maybe closer in spirit to the RFFT "Black Record"? I dunno, good stuff whatever it is
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 29 September 2017 15:08 (two years ago) link
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Friday, 29 September 2017 15:25 (two years ago) link
Same lineup plus an extra guitarist, I think. I was only half paying attention on first listen but had the exact same thought re: RFTT. Second half of the album seemed more interesting to me but I need to dig in some more.
― Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Friday, 29 September 2017 16:05 (two years ago) link
Same line up, plus Siperko who played on the US tour last yr (and with RFFT) and Kristof Hahn from the Swans on the pedal steel. Guitar Orchestra or some such I believe they are referring to it as.
Continued, underrated Pere Ubu addition: Darryl Boon's clarinet, which is such a perfect foil for Thomas's voice
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 29 September 2017 16:32 (two years ago) link
I've listened to "20 Years In A Montana Missle Silo" a couple of times and find it... inconsistent as David's vocals are often a bit rambling or hard to take. In fact, I'd compare Pere Ubu's 21st century output to The Fall - so much depends on the vocals for me. I think David Thomas has aged much better than Mark E Smith in terms of voice. But like The Fall, Pere Ubu's high points are extremely high whereas the rest is nice-if-unnecessary for me. From this album, I think I'd pick:
Monkey BiznessToe To ToeRed Eye BluesI Can Still See
What's your take, VTC?
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 21:47 (two years ago) link
I can get into most of the tracks on here to some extent when I'm listening to the album as a whole, but when I try to pick out highlights afterward, not much sticks with me. I do like where it goes on the last two tracks, especially Cold Sweat. Think my picks would be pretty similar to yours:
Toe to ToeRed Eye BluesI Can Still SeeCold Sweat
― Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:31 (two years ago) link
What is his obsession with monkeys and stuff these days? Feels like cliched wackiness
― Shat Parp (dog latin), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 08:54 (two years ago) link
I'm getting very intrigued by the bunch of Pre Ubu and Cleveland related material turning up on Smog Veil.I need toget the Hy Maya set and maybe the Alan Ravenstine set. Think the others look interesting too.
― Stevolende, Monday, 22 January 2018 23:40 (two years ago) link
really digging hy maya. haven't listened to the ravenstine yet but the cover is fantastic:
― adam, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 13:28 (two years ago) link
little ubu listening spree this week for mei have underrated worlds in collision (tbh i only listened to it once, upon original release)
Tripod Jimmie - A Warning to All Strangers is available as a paid download from ubuprojex site now, btw! Urgently recommended for real
― when worlds collide I'll see you again (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 15:24 (two years ago) link
'Goodnight Irene' off Worlds in Collision is one of their best songs.
― loud horn beeping jazzsplaining arse (dog latin), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 16:30 (two years ago) link
The final album, "The Long Goodbye", is out in July.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 29 April 2019 01:24 (one year ago) link
UBU DUB podcast abt the new record, interesting thoughts from Thomas (as always) and he's right about "Bay City" being criminally underrated.
New stuff sounds really glitchy & weird.
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 14:29 (one year ago) link
Also Thomas doesn't make it seem like it is the final album, just the "end of a way of doing things", though it was born out of the idea that he was on death's door post the Nov 2017 tour, sounds like he wrote everything himself on synth while he was still sick.
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 19:37 (one year ago) link
has thomas ever threatened to write a memoir or something? seems like he should.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 20:01 (one year ago) link
write a memoir, that is, not just threaten to write one
― tylerw, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 20:02 (one year ago) link
i feel like he has written something long...?
if nothing else there needs to be an available text of his Ghoulardi lecture from EMP!
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 20:16 (one year ago) link
oh hey what do you know
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 20:17 (one year ago) link
He has written a couple of book length "liner notes" "Chinese Whispers" about "Lady From Shanghai" and "Cogs" about "Carnival of Souls", neither are exactly straight forward memoirs, more like bundles of lyrics, album behind the scenes, essays, and sort of diary entries about making music.
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 20:19 (one year ago) link
wow where are those? just listened to 'lady' yesterday.
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 20:30 (one year ago) link
Was avail on the Ubu site
Looks like Chinese Whispers is sold out in the US
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 20:32 (one year ago) link
No ebooks? :(
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 21:04 (one year ago) link
First listen to "The Long Goodbye" - it's like one of David's challenging solo albums. I don't object to the electronic additions, it's just that his vocals go against the grain to such an extent that it's hard to enjoy. Can't say it does much for me.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 14 July 2019 19:42 (ten months ago) link
Second listen reveals a bit more. My picks:What I Heard On The Pop Radio - because it's just so ridiculousFlicking Cigarettes At The Sun - reminds me of early Pere UbuFortunate Son - excellent spoken word pieceThe Road Ahead - another spoken word piece, long but rewarding
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 14 July 2019 20:29 (ten months ago) link
It is certainly the least "rock" Ubu record since the Mayo Thompson era...I knew it was going to be weird but it is even stranger than I expected, closer to the recent record he did with P. O. Jⱷrgens "Live Free or Die" and obv an extension of the "Bay City" David Thomas & Foreigners album (which Jⱷrgens also plays on, he plays on this new Ubu record as well)
"Fortunate Son" and "The Road Ahead" are both great, long, winding stories, Ravenstine might not be on the record but his vibe is all over it,ideas pop up from the DT & two pale boys records as well
"Lovely Day" is a beautiful ending.
Ymmv but this record is extremely my shit
― chr1sb3singer, Monday, 15 July 2019 14:00 (ten months ago) link
Their album covers are often so bad these days it cheapens the music for me quite significantly
― frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 15 July 2019 14:12 (ten months ago) link
Finally got my copy yesterday and the live disc that comes with the cd of smaller quartet doing the entire album essentially in sequence (with Chris Cutler on drums no less) I think is better than the album proper. Like a lot of things in a live setting everything just seems to make more sense. It feels more like a Pere Ubu (or at least two pale boys) record vs the studio session which does feel like a weird Thomas solo record, which I still like, but the live takes just sound better.
Also, in ref to above they just announced another book for this record, 'Baptized Into The Buzz'which per the recent news letter includes 1 chapter of Thomas's autobiography, which he also notes is less exciting than Cheetah Chrome'shttp://www.ubuprojex.com/ubutique.html
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 18:44 (nine months ago) link
Ooh cutler I want that live disc
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 18:54 (nine months ago) link
I read the book over the wknd and it was cool, I'm not sure if really changed my overall impression of the record, but it is interesting to read how Thomas see it within the larger scheme of the Ubu oeuvre, nice to have the lyrics in a handy spot.
The album is growing on me, the live record really helps bring it into focus.
And in a very Fall-esque development I went back to 20 Years In a Montana Missile Silo, which I was fine when it came out but haven't spent much time with and of course now I think it sounds great!
― chr1sb3singer, Monday, 5 August 2019 19:26 (nine months ago) link
JUst came across the Pere Ubu Scrapbook cos they were advertising free small sized tshirts on Facebook. Like if you take a small sized female along to their goodies table at a gig she will be given a free tshirt. May need you to buy something too but they have a surplus of small tshirts.
So that went out on FB as a post and had a link to the Ubutique so I looked through there.& saw thsi, not really come across books on Pere Ubu before i don't think. They do turn up in a few places, From The Velvets to the Voidoids etc but haven't heard of something dedicated to them.Sounds like it must be a compiled reprint o fvarious articles and things on the band from 1975-82 but there isn't much said on the site. "Pere Ubu, The Scrapbook 1975-1982Paperback, A4 size, 158 pages." plus a photo is all.Anybody read it?
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 17:33 (nine months ago) link
Arrived today. Seems quite interesting various reprints of press from the time plus all the lyrics fro the lps from the era.
Since there is little on the band around it is great to have this,
― Stevolende, Monday, 19 August 2019 17:46 (nine months ago) link
― Shat Parp (dog latin), Wednesday, October 11, 2017 3:54 AM (two years ago)
have you seen monkeys
― j., Wednesday, 11 March 2020 02:39 (two months ago) link
Their in house download page Hearpen has been down for a while is slowly coming back on Ubutique, there is a new remaster of the Pirate's Cove 1977 tape, not a full show, some songs cut-off in spots but it sounds pretty great and is only 3 bucks (actually some of the incomplete songs feel like those jarring edits from the The Fall's Palace of Swords Reversed comp)
― chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 14:58 (two months ago) link