Reniform POLLs -- Autechre :: Draft 7.30 :: LP7

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The poll no one has been waiting for! (I know that's not the standard cover, but I'm using it why because it look intersting.)

Poll Results

OptionVotes
5. "Surripere" 11:23 3
1. "Xylin Room" 6:09 2
9. "V-Proc" 6:00 2
3. "6IE.CR" 5:38 2
6. "Theme of Sudden Roundabout" 4:51 1
4. "Tapr" 3:14 1
7. "VL AL 5" 4:56 0
8. "P.:NTIL" 7:07 0
2. "IV VV IV VV VIII" 4:50 0
10. "Reniform Puls" 8:38 0


leTeReL (Leee), Sunday, 28 November 2010 18:05 (nine years ago) link

<3 this album

calpolaris (nakhchivan), Sunday, 28 November 2010 18:06 (nine years ago) link

Previous: POLLhelic Triangle -- Autechre :: Confield :: LP6

There wasn't an associated EP for Draft (right?), so no EP poll this week.

xp challopsy!

leTeReL (Leee), Sunday, 28 November 2010 18:06 (nine years ago) link

Surripere, i think

calpolaris (nakhchivan), Sunday, 28 November 2010 18:07 (nine years ago) link

So this, and the next one are gonna be the toughest to vote for since I can't quite remember which tracks are which. Much more conceptual in their vision than any of the former.

Think I'll vote V-Proc though as I remember a successful attempt at mashing it together with "Who Said Funk Bands Can't Play Rock?" by Parliament/Funkadelic.

What are you doing here? (dog latin), Sunday, 28 November 2010 18:14 (nine years ago) link

I thought that this one was my personal nadir, but listening to it again in preparation for this poll, it wasn't as agonizing as I feared. Not to say I liked it, but I had thought it was literally unlistenable, so when it wasn't that harsh, I was pleasantly surprised. (I'm still feeling that way about Untilted.)

Before my re-listen, I'd have voted for "Surripere," easily, because at least part of it has everything I want from a recent-era Autechre track (beautiful, grayscale melody, pristine production, microscopic beat details) before it goes for the metallic, high-frequency generative wankery, which I obviously could do without (still, if I think about it enough, that half of the song has some nice breaks on it).

"Reniform Puls" (i.e. kidney beans!) though stands out for me now, with the '00-style flat, squishy beats, the weird melodies like a babby computer cooing.

Oh, and I do wish that "Theme of Sudden Roundabout" was entitled "Prince Moth Mothy Moth Moth" instead.

leTeReL (Leee), Sunday, 28 November 2010 18:28 (nine years ago) link

need 2 hear this

having heard 'confield' and then 'arch carrier' but also 'gantz graf' and bits of 'untilted', I know which way I'd rather go from it

will get round to the earlier stuff after persuasion/sb

underrated aeroflot disasters i have wikisearched (acoleuthic), Sunday, 28 November 2010 19:20 (nine years ago) link

arch carrier and gantz are both great

i find autechre a little too dark/granular/introspective/contrapuntal (kinda) to listen to them a lot these days

i guess an autechre playlist i could play most days would be something like

r ess
see-on-see
cap iv
corc
drane2
milk dx
altichyre
eutow

calpolaris (nakhchivan), Sunday, 28 November 2010 19:28 (nine years ago) link

I found Arch Carrier to be a bit dull and Gantz Graf to be completely superb, ban me

rly wanna hear Cap.iv, youtube it is. I shall presently fall asleep to it. Goodnight

(but are all of those on YT? if so I will trawl (when I wake))

underrated aeroflot disasters i have wikisearched (acoleuthic), Sunday, 28 November 2010 19:32 (nine years ago) link

man, lj is going to be crazy intense tomorrow

rouxymuzak (nakhchivan), Sunday, 28 November 2010 19:38 (nine years ago) link

V-Proc is such a great song. I think even the people who really dislike this album should at least like that one.

peter in montreal, Sunday, 28 November 2010 21:53 (nine years ago) link

will check that one out. i remember loathing this whole record and my unhappy re-acquaintance with confield doesn't suggest that i would feel any different now.

jed_, Sunday, 28 November 2010 22:02 (nine years ago) link

Well this is (slightly) interesting. I only revisited this album a few months ago and it still sounded like I always thought it did - arid and barren. It seemed that although they weren't exactly going in reverse, no longer were they breaking new and interesting ground. The comparisons people have mentioned with Confield I thought especially baffling, as the depths and spaces and textures that eventually revealed themselves in that album just seemed entirely absent here, even after many listens.

But now, suddenly, I can hear that lineage. It still doesn't seem quite as dimensional and layered, but I can hear similarities in texture, and especially in the overall general approach. I'd still rank this album at or near the bottom, but, somehow, it has regained some stature in my estimation - I had completely written it off but now I can see myself revisiting it once more.

e.g. delegates at a set age (ledge), Monday, 29 November 2010 11:57 (nine years ago) link

V-Proc is the populist choice here for sure. An upfront banger with some great cavernous echoes.

e.g. delegates at a set age (ledge), Monday, 29 November 2010 12:24 (nine years ago) link

There wasn't an associated EP for Draft (right?), so no EP poll this week.

no peel session polls? (i had figured that out already, but curious as to why.)

e.g. delegates at a set age (ledge), Monday, 29 November 2010 12:28 (nine years ago) link

yeah, where's the cavity job poll? 8)

am listening to these again as you poll them, or nearly. and they aren't as unpleasant as i remember them. maybe the world has caught up, or my listening habits have.

koogs, Monday, 29 November 2010 17:48 (nine years ago) link

the mark of a quality band is one where none of their fans can truly agree on their best work

this one is the one I listened to the most of all of them -- a cassette of this album + grantz graf + ISS:SA + 'Microphone Fiend + Blifil' from Coachella just kept getting played. 'confield' was the furthest out on the trajectory, but in so many ways it was even more satisfying to hear them reintegrate earlier influences into their new sounds & structures

that being said; perhaps I just wore this one out, but these days when I do return to this period, 'confield' is the one that's more interesting, but for top notch weird city driving, I clocked the most hours on this one and really felt it as a peak

Milton Parker, Monday, 29 November 2010 19:47 (nine years ago) link

& I'm always going to wonder re: 'Surripere' if it's a direct reference to Richard Pinhas' 'Iceland: Part 3'. It's a basic enough drone those two tracks are working themselves out on, but I love the idea of those two guys checking out my favorite Pinhas album and thinking 'let's do this again with an 808 kick'

Milton Parker, Monday, 29 November 2010 19:51 (nine years ago) link

I can't stand this album. It's like Confield sans atmosphere. Uptight, formless, unlistenable.

That said, I'm listening again.

laser precise purpose maker era, Monday, 29 November 2010 20:48 (nine years ago) link

I've listened to this one a bunch as well and never got anything out of it. gonna spin it again.

original bgm, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 00:14 (nine years ago) link

There wasn't an associated EP for Draft (right?), so no EP poll this week.

no peel session polls? (i had figured that out already, but curious as to why.)

― e.g. delegates at a set age (ledge), Monday, November 29, 2010 4:28 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah, where's the cavity job poll? 8)

No Peelies because those aren't "official" EPs (i.e. they don't factor into the EP numbering, if they had, EP7 would be EP8).

I am laughing, at the Cavity Job jibe, on the inside.

leTeReL (Leee), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 05:26 (nine years ago) link

I've always avoided this due to comments from others. So far I've listened twice and the only standouts are "Surripere" and "Reniform Puls", which are gorgeous — the rest is monochromatic, uncharacteristic, unimagistic, non-dynamic — IOW, boring.

for the next throbbing minutes (corey), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 05:51 (nine years ago) link

ha, and already on a third listen the other tracks are sounding more distinct.

for the next throbbing minutes (corey), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 01:25 (nine years ago) link

Been hitting this hard in the past 24 hrs. The opener is great and sticks in the mind but the rest are slippery like a fish.

Interests: eating my cookie (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 01:30 (nine years ago) link

btw I love how all these threads have resulted in a nifty kind of book club for ae albums.

Interests: eating my cookie (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 01:31 (nine years ago) link

Just noticing — is the mellotron sound in Reniform sampled from a Tangerine Dream track? It sounds like something from Zeit.

for the next throbbing minutes (corey), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 02:00 (nine years ago) link

> No Peelies because those aren't "official" EPs (i.e. they don't factor into the EP numbering, if they had, EP7 would be EP8).

can we do them after? they are some of my favourites.

plus, i don't think there are any more eps, are there? wikipedia is full of wrong and lists the two hafler trio releases and the quadrange remixes and move of ten...

koogs, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 10:04 (nine years ago) link

Move of Ten is an EP according to the catalogue number. But Quaristice.Quadrange.ep.ae is an EP according to the name, an LP according to the number :/

e.g. delegates at a set age (ledge), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 10:12 (nine years ago) link

also, POLL Sessions -- Autechre :: Peel Sessions 1 :: EPb

e.g. delegates at a set age (ledge), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 10:13 (nine years ago) link

Quardrange also a bit of a platypus as it was digital only...

koogs, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 11:12 (nine years ago) link

Been listening along with the polls too and I'm honestly baffled, really baffled, at peeps who think this is unlistenable or a mess.

1 caveat is that I don't really get into (or like) the "sound pictures" approach to AE's (or most anybody's) music, which is partially why these later albums with their crunchy, rich but abstract textures appeal the most. But seriously, the sheer pleasurableness of the sound of this thing, its envelopingness, its rumbling dubby bass clouds and tickly clicks and bleeps and thrumming, massaging midranges...it reminds me more of NWW or Merzbow or somebody who likes you to FEEL THAT NOISE, but it's prettier and more luxurious than most of anything.

3:10 to Your Ma (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 13:16 (nine years ago) link

yeah agreed

lex eduction horror (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 13:18 (nine years ago) link

so, I listened to this earlier today and actually dug it! cranked it and the crunchy beat-driven stuff sounded great at high volumes. "61e.CR" and "V-Proc" in particular but "Surripere" and "Theme of Sudden Roundabout" work of each other pretty well too.

original bgm, Thursday, 2 December 2010 00:29 (nine years ago) link

xxp funny you mention say that 'cause I was just thinking Gantz Graf is much more enjoyable once you have Merzbow in mind.

for the next throbbing minutes (corey), Thursday, 2 December 2010 00:35 (nine years ago) link

mobb deep hell on earth followed by draft 7:30 is a good listening combo btw

original bgm, Thursday, 2 December 2010 01:40 (nine years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Saturday, 4 December 2010 00:01 (nine years ago) link

2nd half of 6IE.CR is gorgeous.. the album feels so inconsistent (2nd half of it), yet it's my favorite of theirs.

Palpatean Mists (Lowell N. Behold'n), Saturday, 4 December 2010 22:24 (nine years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Sunday, 5 December 2010 00:01 (nine years ago) link

relistening now and still love this

Princess TuomTuom (nakhchivan), Monday, 6 December 2010 01:02 (nine years ago) link

can't remember if i voted in this.. guess not since i probly would've gone reniform. kind of odd to me that this is made out to be the most maligned... thought that would be untilted. draft isn't one of their top albums in retrospect, but i listened to it a lot, from the promo cassette rip (which reinforced milton re: integrating old influences i think) to the actual cd release. 6ie, v-proc, and p.:ntil all have sick beats imo. xylin and suriepere also good, rest are basically throwaways outside of the album context

straight old fashioned, virgin (another al3x), Monday, 6 December 2010 02:24 (nine years ago) link

POLL Radii -- Autechre :: Untilted :: LP8

Leeeline Supplement No. 74 (Leee), Monday, 6 December 2010 03:04 (nine years ago) link

& I'm always going to wonder re: 'Surripere' if it's a direct reference to Richard Pinhas' 'Iceland: Part 3'. It's a basic enough drone those two tracks are working themselves out on, but I love the idea of those two guys checking out my favorite Pinhas album and thinking 'let's do this again with an 808 kick'

Listening to Iceland for the first time, and I can sort of here the ambient drone of "Part 3" in "Surripere," but isn't the beat copped from "Part 2" as well?

Leeeline Supplement No. 74 (Leee), Monday, 6 December 2010 05:48 (nine years ago) link

I'd like to hear this album REALLY loud on massive speakers in a huge room.

Xylin Room makes me think of being in the quarters of a huge creaking pirate ship.

What are you doing here? (dog latin), Monday, 6 December 2010 10:22 (nine years ago) link

Whereas most Ae albums make me think of futuristic stuff, this album sounds old, ancient. It sounds like the soundtrack to a saga or sea voyage to me.

What are you doing here? (dog latin), Saturday, 11 December 2010 13:06 (nine years ago) link

surripiere reminds me an old spanish galleon capsizing off the galapagos while the dashing galician captain is effing the living daylights out of a cabin boy below decks

every clint has a silva lining (nakhchivan), Saturday, 11 December 2010 13:37 (nine years ago) link

"IV VV IV VV VIII" is the music that's playing in the head of a giant turtle as she gnaws on the bloated corpses of the sailors

every clint has a silva lining (nakhchivan), Saturday, 11 December 2010 13:40 (nine years ago) link

man, lj is going to be crazy intense tomorrow

― rouxymuzak (nakhchivan), Sunday, 28 November 2010 19:38 (1 week ago)

Cap.IV was unfuckingbelievable btw - absolutely wondrous music

Am now listening to Draft 7.30 crtsy of utube and so far so excellent - didn't Autechre say they were going to be making music more organically and less programmatically after Confield? Certainly feels that way to me.

schlomo replay (acoleuthic), Saturday, 11 December 2010 13:56 (nine years ago) link

ok how the blazing fuck cd people hate this album, it's a christ-goddamn work of wonder

schlomo replay (acoleuthic), Saturday, 11 December 2010 14:09 (nine years ago) link

2nd half of 6IE.CR is gorgeous

― Palpatean Mists (Lowell N. Behold'n), Saturday, 4 December 2010 22:24 (1 week ago)

yes

schlomo replay (acoleuthic), Saturday, 11 December 2010 14:10 (nine years ago) link

surripere randomly came on today when I was driving just as I was entering a fairly long tunnel. That was perfect.

could only have been better if the tunnel started collapsing towards the end.

peter in montreal, Saturday, 18 December 2010 23:09 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

this is a motherfucking motherfucking all-time work of genius, and it's becoming even more so with each second it graces my headphones

how did this happen. how was this allowed to happen

once a week is ample, Monday, 21 May 2012 22:42 (eight years ago) link

Must admit I sometimes wonder if Ae really are 8 years ahead of their time. I swear albums like Draft fit waaaay better into today's musical context than back in '03.

Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 00:36 (eight years ago) link

I found Arch Carrier to be a bit dull and Gantz Graf to be completely superb, ban me

rly wanna hear Cap.iv, youtube it is. I shall presently fall asleep to it. Goodnight

(but are all of those on YT? if so I will trawl (when I wake))

― underrated aeroflot disasters i have wikisearched (acoleuthic), Sunday, November 28, 2010 7:32 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

man, lj is going to be crazy intense tomorrow

― rouxymuzak (nakhchivan), Sunday, November 28, 2010 7:38 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Serov devochka s persikami (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 00:38 (eight years ago) link

Rank Anything You Feel Like Ranking

id probably rate oversteps just after draft (their sunniest and darkest respectively)

Serov devochka s persikami (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 00:42 (eight years ago) link

still unsure abt quaristice which is a total outlier

Serov devochka s persikami (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 00:43 (eight years ago) link

Quaristice's inconsistency is what i like about it. Prolly my fave, followed by untilted, draft, and amber.

There are some annoying-ass (stilted) rhythms on draft... but some beautiful moments. Reniform Puls starts off dope, turns into shit.

Lowell N. Behold'n, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 01:41 (eight years ago) link

Oversteps is by far my fave of their post-Confield material

Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 11:49 (eight years ago) link

Appreciating Untilted more these days. Tangibly solid & heavy. Meaty. Also funky.

the fey monster (ledge), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 13:19 (eight years ago) link

yeah, untilted might be my favorite popst-confield as well. 'iera' is the track that's really been doing it for me lately.

original bgm, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:20 (eight years ago) link

Did we ever poll all the winners from all the various Autechre polls? I'd like to make a playlist.

Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 16:17 (eight years ago) link

this is ilx, you'd imagine so

Serov devochka s persikami (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 16:23 (eight years ago) link

Cannae find a link cap'n!

Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 22:58 (eight years ago) link

eight years pass...

i find this album very difficult. i guess a lot of people do. rewarding, but difficult. "xylin room" obviously a banger. "surripere" obv an 11 minute trip through the electromagnetic field, it's sick. love the way the beats disintegrate from a funky wholes into fragments rubbing against each other. but i still can't quite... figure it out

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 5 October 2020 22:17 (two weeks ago) link

"IV VV IV VV VIII" is the music that's playing in the head of a giant turtle as she gnaws on the bloated corpses of the sailors

― every clint has a silva lining (nakhchivan), Saturday, December 11, 2010 6:40 AM (nine years ago) bookmarkflaglink

this strikes me as correct

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 5 October 2020 22:18 (two weeks ago) link

"61e.CR" really goes also

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 5 October 2020 22:34 (two weeks ago) link

^my favourite autechre song

Chip-vill-A (imago), Monday, 5 October 2020 22:34 (two weeks ago) link

also how dare they have a normal song title on this particular album

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 5 October 2020 22:42 (two weeks ago) link

but it isn't actually normal lol

Chip-vill-A (imago), Monday, 5 October 2020 22:44 (two weeks ago) link

sudden roundabout is my *father*'s name!

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 5 October 2020 22:44 (two weeks ago) link

their recent releases have had more real words in them but not once have they remotely risked making linear sense

Chip-vill-A (imago), Monday, 5 October 2020 22:47 (two weeks ago) link

it's pornographic for there to be any clarity at all in the sea of text that is an autechre tracklisting

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 5 October 2020 22:49 (two weeks ago) link

'north spiral! yesss'

Chip-vill-A (imago), Monday, 5 October 2020 22:51 (two weeks ago) link

'but wait -'

Chip-vill-A (imago), Monday, 5 October 2020 22:51 (two weeks ago) link

holy fuck :o

Chip-vill-A (imago), Monday, 5 October 2020 23:22 (two weeks ago) link

actually i take it back, this record is less difficult than i implied, i think "iv vv iv vv viii" just throws me, my brain can't wrap around what it's doing

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 5 October 2020 23:34 (two weeks ago) link

perhaps its working title of 'prince moth mothy moth moth' will reveal its secrets

Chip-vill-A (imago), Monday, 5 October 2020 23:57 (two weeks ago) link

Still think of this as sparse, sonically and conceptually. time for another relisten i guess.

Also, reniform puls(e): kidney bean.

neith moon (ledge), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 07:54 (two weeks ago) link

Anyone else seeing these revived polls pop up and getting hyped for LP14?

octobeard, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 09:18 (two weeks ago) link

def need a new new lp thread

"xylin room" obviously a banger

i can't see this as a banger, where are the bangs? feels more like a confield texture piece, except the pieces on confield go places with furious intent and this kind of wanders around lost in a wood. which could be a good thing idk. should i try and find the bangs or appreciate the lost in a wood vibe, or is life too short for either of those.

neith moon (ledge), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 10:01 (two weeks ago) link

iv vv etc, still lost in the wood, getting angry and beating up some trees.

neith moon (ledge), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 10:03 (two weeks ago) link

6ie.cr: making a log cabin

neith moon (ledge), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 10:05 (two weeks ago) link

much of this album has woody, knotted feel for me. It's all creaky floorboards and complicated pulley systems

Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 10:37 (two weeks ago) link

i can't see this as a banger, where are the bangs?

new board description

the typo doer (Simon H.), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 12:34 (two weeks ago) link

i can't see this as a banger, where are the bangs?

the pattern that opens the track and rules it for most of its runtime... knocks

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 13:07 (two weeks ago) link

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Chip-vill-A (imago), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 13:15 (two weeks ago) link

i find it hard to imagine loving Untilted but not being as into Draft7.30 - they feel something of a pair to me.

Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 14:57 (two weeks ago) link

hmmm not sure i agree. inasmuch as confield, draft, and untilted should be def grouped together, sure. but the beats on untilted are considerably more linear (as much as you can say that about anything autechre produced in this period), whereas for the first half of draft it's mostly morphing aquatic lifeforms

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 12 October 2020 13:44 (one week ago) link

Untitled really threw me at first in that it's so beat driven and there was very little in the way of tonal sounds. it's grown on me loads since of course. B-boy breaks for impossible robots in a gigantic stadium

Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Monday, 12 October 2020 14:26 (one week ago) link

But then something like V-Proc is very breaksy. you're right that the start of Draft is all about implacable ebb and flow though

Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Monday, 12 October 2020 14:28 (one week ago) link

I listened to this again after Brad said he had trouble with it. I think I do prefer it slightly over Untilted, but they make a nice pair:

Untilted's beats are hard, bouncy and metallic. It makes me think of that old Amiga game Speedball in that it sounds like a futuristic spectator sport set in an enormous stadium. By comparison the beats on Draft7.30 are crunchy, wooden and brackish. I've always felt like there's a slight maritime theme on this one - especially the first few tracks which make me feel like I'm in the hold of an old wooden ship, the textures propelled by the ebbing of waves, the creaking of floorboards and ropes being pulled tight, the wind blowing everything along in gusts. There's something really interesting about the quality of the beats they've used on this one comapred to the gigantic pinball machine of Untilted.

Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Friday, 16 October 2020 11:57 (one week ago) link


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