why would you market towards ppl who have a novelty song
seems like a very small niche
― BO (DJP), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
antipop consortium are fantastic, new record's great and they killed it when i saw em a year or two ago
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
lol DJP trolling, cmon
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:17 (thirteen years ago) link
...
There is a difference between "trolling" (the blatantly overstated and hyperbolic comment I made about SALEM and racism way upthread that everyone ignored) and "making a joke" (my last post) that you might want to investigate.
― BO (DJP), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
making a "joke"
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
"making" a joke
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, but the second I admit to liking anything on anticon. people start accusing me of a being a PM Dawn fan.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link
the blatantly overstated and hyperbolic comment I made about SALEM and racism way upthread that everyone ignored
I almost posted it on ILEpitaphs!
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link
"laughing" or lol or something
But seriously folks, some albums if suddenly marketed to indie sites and reviewers/critics would get more acclaim, others might still get ignored (not enough genre specialist reviewers interested in stuff that's not hipster friendly)
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link
what's wrong w/ being a PM Dawn fan??
xxp
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm sending KRS One to your house
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:43 (thirteen years ago) link
pretty wild that this Kanye record is the first record since, like, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot to really getting the indie sites to agree that the major labels sometimes make records better than we do
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, December 8, 2010 12:11 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
that's an interesting interpretation of the acclaim of YHF considering that the whole narrative of that album's success was "Warner Bros didn't know what a masterpiece they had on their hands, those bastards!"
― Local Hardman (some dude), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
also "MBDTF's critical consensus is so much stronger than any previous Kanye record" is almost as shaky a premise as your "Fuck You is the most instantly acclaimed pop single since Hey Ya" thesis.
― Local Hardman (some dude), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm saying the critical consensus on indie sites like Pfork and Sgum is stronger this time out. The RS/Spin/Pazz crew was always in full force
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost, fine then, chance to ca. 2001 Strokes/Kid A
Im taking this the opposite of Whiney -- most of these (strawmen) ppl think that kanye is just way better than all pop, smarter than all the other major label crap etc (peep the paste review) -- I don't think it has stereogum readers reconsidering the merits of major label pop
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link
It's his bon iver record!
Plus is this really getting more indie love than late reg?
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:56 (thirteen years ago) link
hasn't kanye always been the token pop/major label act in these lists?
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't really believe many people on the staff of these indie sites have bothered with many other major label hip-hop/r&b/pop albums at all
What new record? There's one this year?
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I don't see what's new about it. Critics have loved him since day one. He doesn't represent major-label hip hop anymore than Outkast do.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Indie crits always loved Kanye but there was always this understood agreement that we has never better than Arcade Fire/AnCo/Antony/etc. I mean, when he tops the Pfork list its gonna be the first major label record to be #1 since Kid A, right? (i'm not gonna fact check this, so)
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Kanye only behind Sufjan in pitchfork's 2005
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
there was always this understood agreement
among whom?! like seriously NAME NAMES. i certainly wasn't party to it and want no part of it, or indeed of anyone who actually signed up to it
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link
i tried to google it and found this instead
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/clicktrack/2010/12/speculation_predicting_pitchfo.html
Great way to use your music section, Washington Post. Is stephen ilxor the editor over there now?
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link
who the fuck commissioned that
who the fuck PITCHED that
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:10 (thirteen years ago) link
lol with Anco at #7 and Antony at #5 behind Kanye on that list
i would credit any minor bump in indie-love for kanye more to do with lazy crits feeling safe in raves than some sort of increased comfort with major label wares
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
i done it.
xp
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, December 8, 2010 2:09 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
jesus you know who he's talking about and that it's not you and you keep having these hysterical reactions every time, just quit it already.
― Local Hardman (some dude), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
lol not even
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
meaning pfork's 2005 album list i mean: http://pitchfork.com/features/staff-lists/6222-top-50-albums-of-2005/5/
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Given the amount of tedious handwringing already should we push the Pitchfork list off into its own slurry ditch thread or something?
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
The AV Club list
25. Spoon - Transference24. Four Tet - There Is Love In You23. Titus Andronicus - The Monitor22. Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma21. Baths - Cerulean20. Dessa - A Badly Broken Code19. Yeasayer - Odd Blood18. Call Me Lightning - When I Am Gone My Blood Will Be Free17. Avi Buffalo - Avi Buffalo16. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs15. Wavves - King Of The Beach14. Deerhunter - Halcyon Digest13. Dum Dum Girls - I Will Be12. The Black Keys - Brothers11. Frightened Rabbit - The Winter Of Mixed Drinks10. Robyn - Body Talk9. Vampire Weekend - Contra8. Superchunk - Majesty Shredding7. Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot… The Son Of Chico Dusty6. Janelle Monáe - The ArchAndroid5. The Roots - How I Got Over4. LCD Soundsystem - This Is Happening3. The National - High Violet2. The Walkmen - Lisbon1. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
― Dan S, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
see my thing is, why are people spending all of this time getting mad about Kanye being on these lists and not Wavves
then I remember nobody really knows shit about Wavves and I feel better
― BO (DJP), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link
see my thing is, why are people spending all of this time getting mad about Kanye being on these lists
Fixed.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link
these lists are so depressingly awful
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Curious what people think the most critically popular album of the year that you wouldn't have guessed would be one of the most critically popular albums of the year is
I mean more in a "hey who thought they'd step up their game" way than a "wtf is wavves doing here" way
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link
these lists of halfway decent music that is better promoted than other music that is as good if not better are vv informative tbqf
― omar little, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
lists of halfway decent music that is better promoted than other music that is as good if not better
truth bomb
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
LOL
My answer would be These New Puritans.
― BO (DJP), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
i just want you all to know that i blame lex for kanye topping all of these lists
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
funny to have spoon ride caboose at number 25 in the av club after their Remember The 90s guy claimed they're underappreciated for being so consistently perfect
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
also, da croup, my mind is still blown that anyone would give salem the time of day, but i should probably stop harping on that.
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link
wait, why are you telling me this?
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link
because i read your post wrong
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:31 (thirteen years ago) link
gotcha
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, how did Jamey Johnson "happen." Like I didn't even get a promo of it. The first time i heard of him was when he was getting four page features in every magazine
― dr. harbl's zing-along blog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
The AV Club list25. Spoon - Transference24. Four Tet - There Is Love In You23. Titus Andronicus - The Monitor22. Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma21. Baths - Cerulean20. Dessa - A Badly Broken Code19. Yeasayer - Odd Blood18. Call Me Lightning - When I Am Gone My Blood Will Be Free17. Avi Buffalo - Avi Buffalo16. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs15. Wavves - King Of The Beach14. Deerhunter - Halcyon Digest13. Dum Dum Girls - I Will Be12. The Black Keys - Brothers11. Frightened Rabbit - The Winter Of Mixed Drinks10. Robyn - Body Talk9. Vampire Weekend - Contra8. Superchunk - Majesty Shredding7. Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot… The Son Of Chico Dusty6. Janelle Monáe - The ArchAndroid5. The Roots - How I Got Over4. LCD Soundsystem - This Is Happening3. The National - High Violet2. The Walkmen - Lisbon1. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
step 1: take rolling stone, spin, mojo, stereogum, etc. listsstep 2: shuffle albums, relist in different orderstep 3: put kanye back on top since his album is perfect
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno...RS top 5 article mentioned glowingly his anti blue state lyrics on a couple of songs, pretty unrepentant and harsh shit like they say, his zings against tofu and pricey wine in los angeles are pretty tough.
― omar little, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link
vv curious about what he means by "when half of california riots"?