... 6. Calbruc 7. Recury 8. POLL 9. Nuane -- Autechre :: Chiastic Slide :: LP4

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/310KJME6MHL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Basically, which track will come in second after "Cichli," yes?

Poll Results

OptionVotes
4. "Cichli" 8:52 5
9. "Nuane" 13:13 4
1. "Cipater" 8:56 3
7. "Recury" 9:44 3
2. "Rettic AC" 2:08 2
3. "Tewe" 6:56 1
5. "Hub" 7:35 1
6. "Calbruc" 3:51 0
8. "Pule" 8:33 0


Ou sont les cankles d'antan? (Leee), Thursday, 11 November 2010 00:18 (eleven years ago) link

maybe but "nuane" is the fucking bomb and i'm voting for it.

I love you girls but that music is for radical faeries (Matt P), Thursday, 11 November 2010 00:19 (eleven years ago) link

RETTIC AC
RETTIC AC
RETTIC AC
RETTIC AC
RETTIC AC
RETTIC AC
RETTIC AC

moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 11 November 2010 00:29 (eleven years ago) link

Gotta be Cichli here. It's by far the jewel in the crown and the album would be a bit poor without it. Not that I don't have time for the other tracks, but this album feels like an extended single with Cichli as the A-side. I love Rettic AC for all its noisiness. I remember the day I heard Tewe and realised "that's a Timbaland track!". "Hub" makes me think of a huge bouncing iron knight guarding a portcullis in a castle - very interesting in stereo. The last four tracks are nice but just kind of go over my head.

Best artwork of any Autechre release.

village idiot (dog latin), Thursday, 11 November 2010 00:33 (eleven years ago) link

Though "Cichli" is by far my track of choice, I have a special affection for "Calbruc" along the same principles as my love for "Eutow" and "C/Pach."

Ou sont les cankles d'antan? (Leee), Thursday, 11 November 2010 05:58 (eleven years ago) link

THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE
THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE
THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE
THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE
THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE

NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 11 November 2010 07:14 (eleven years ago) link

To everyone who thinks "Envane" is so great -- how can you not love this album? You want to hear hip-hop done Autechre style (e.g. "Recury" and "Cipater")? You've got it, and what's more, the beats are 100000X fatter and chunkier!

Why should "Cichli" be the obvious winner? Because it's the only track with a semi four-to-the-floor beat that you can almost imagine dancing to, and the beats on almost everything else are too disjointed and complicated? What's going to happen when we get to "Confield" and "Draft 7:30"?

NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 11 November 2010 07:19 (eleven years ago) link

HUB. HUB HUB HUB.

The E Trip of Pillgamesh (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 11 November 2010 08:49 (eleven years ago) link

Rettic AC = Cat Litter? It always sounded like that to me.

The E Trip of Pillgamesh (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 11 November 2010 08:50 (eleven years ago) link

Cichli is the obvious winner because it's so damn catchy.

abcfsk, Thursday, 11 November 2010 09:35 (eleven years ago) link

I was looking at the skyscrapers in New York. When I came back we started playing around with abstracting architectural forms. The natural lines of the skyscrapers, from these photos I’d taken, gave lines of perspective that formed an almost 3D grid. The black shape in the foreground of the cover is one of the towers of the Brooklyn Bridge, as seen from the Empire State Building.
(tDR founder Ian Anderson)

don't see it meself.

http://i53.tinypic.com/4usx8l.jpg

xtc ep, etc (xp) (ledge), Thursday, 11 November 2010 09:43 (eleven years ago) link

The shape may be turned 90 degrees to the left or right - some of the inner artwork looks more bridge-shadow-shaped, imho:

http://unfinishade.typepad.com/.a/6a01156f63cad4970c0120a96ac3ea970b-800wi
http://unfinishade.typepad.com/.a/6a01156f63cad4970c01310fd1c3b6970c-800wi

StanM, Thursday, 11 November 2010 09:55 (eleven years ago) link

Why should "Cichli" be the obvious winner? Because it's the only track with a semi four-to-the-floor beat that you can almost imagine dancing to, and the beats on almost everything else are too disjointed and complicated? What's going to happen when we get to "Confield" and "Draft 7:30"?

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 11 November 2010 07:19 (2 hours ago)

Cichli isn't four-to-the-floor, not even 4/4, but that's beside the point. I think it comes from the way that sort of disjointed melody slowly develops over the course of 7-8 minutes and byt he time the beat drops out it's like listening to a sad sighing beautiful prehistoric animal settling down to die. Think it's actually made me well up at times (when smoking lots of dope).

village idiot (dog latin), Thursday, 11 November 2010 10:08 (eleven years ago) link

it comes from the way that sort of disjointed melody slowly develops over the course of 7-8 minutes

This describes *every* track on this album. Which is why it's so great!

Of course you're right, "Cichli" is 5/4 not 4/4. I was trying to describe the way the beats are well-rooted "on the one". It's probably the simplest and least challenging beat on the album, therefore it's the "catchiest" track. I think.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 11 November 2010 10:24 (eleven years ago) link

I thought a lot of the tracks (particularly the second half) tend to be quite repetitive drone-style tracks. But listen to the (extended) coda on Cichli and tell me it's not one of the most swoonsome things they've ever done.

village idiot (dog latin), Thursday, 11 November 2010 11:17 (eleven years ago) link

it is lovely. but it is also obviously the most user friendly, easiest to like track on the album (otoh the beat isn't actually that simple imo, even the kick drum (not a kick drum) is quite hard to pin down, let alone the other clicks and hits swirling around.)

xtc ep, etc (xp) (ledge), Thursday, 11 November 2010 12:28 (eleven years ago) link

I didn't buy this album when it first came out, put off by the reviews and its reputation as being too hard - both difficult and unyielding. IIRC The Scotsman's review postulated that one of the duo was responsible for melodies, the other for harsh unrelenting beats, and for this album the latter guy had mounted some kind of coup. They were wrong of course, not only about the relationship but also in their judgement of the album - the beats are phat but there's plenty of charm hidden below the surface. It's also very organic sounding - maybe not luscious and green, more like forest undergrowth in winter, thorny and somewhat decayed, but still with a kind of natural beauty.

Unfortunately the album suffers from the same problem as Tri Repetae, a massive mid-period bummer from which it never really recovers. I really can't deal with Hub, the lopsided, lurching, aggressive/timid beat is just too much, maaan. Calbruc fires things up again much like Eutow on TR, and again like TR things then get a bit too ambient/samey. Serious album sequencing problems? Nuane is kinda cool but not for 13 minutes, they should have shaved some off and added them to Rettic AC.

Picking a winner tho... well Chiastic Slide supposedly refers to 'the mercurial qualities of the crossfader', and Cipater is far and away the best example of this - although the transition between the two parts is more or less a simple fade, the second part really seems to grow out from between the cracks of the first.

xtc ep, etc (xp) (ledge), Thursday, 11 November 2010 16:05 (eleven years ago) link

Nice words Ledge.
A lot of people hate on Hub, but I think it's a minor highlight. It's the first time AFAICT that Autechre abandoned techno or hiphop parameters entirely, and came up with its own rhythm-physic.

To me this is a very front-loaded record, the last half being very much about

village idiot (dog latin), Thursday, 11 November 2010 16:16 (eleven years ago) link

Unfortunately the album suffers from the same problem as Tri Repetae, a massive mid-period bummer from which it never really recovers.

I think every 90's Autechre album "suffers" from this, the best stuff is always the first three or four tracks, and the last track. Only "Incunabula" seems to escape this type of sequencing (maybe because it was essentially a compilation of their early tracks, as opposed to being specifically written and recorded as an album).

"Hub" sounds like a dry run for "Confield" in retrospect ... again, when we do those polls, I'll really interested in hearing what you guys have to say about "Confield" and "Draft 7:30". Because if you can't come to grips with the likes of "Hub" ...

NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 11 November 2010 16:20 (eleven years ago) link

I have very strong feelings about both those albums. That is all I will say for now :)

xtc ep, etc (xp) (ledge), Thursday, 11 November 2010 16:42 (eleven years ago) link

I think every 90's Autechre album "suffers" from this, the best stuff is always the first three or four tracks, and the last track.

I don't agree with this as it doesn't apply to my favourites, LP5 or EP7 (or Amber or Tri Repetae) for that matter. I always skip straight to Rae on LP5, and the run from that track to Under BOAC is probably my favourite collection of Autechre tunes. EP7 likewise has Dropp right at its centre, although the last 3 tracks are jaw-dropping.

village idiot (dog latin), Thursday, 11 November 2010 16:56 (eleven years ago) link

Yes! We're coming up to the really meaty Ae polls. Looking forward to the next few!

village idiot (dog latin), Thursday, 11 November 2010 16:57 (eleven years ago) link

"Hub" sounds almost medieval to me (in a kind of Kings Quest way) and I'd like to play it side-by-side with Maphive6.1, which also sounds like a kidn of medieval battlefield.

village idiot (dog latin), Thursday, 11 November 2010 17:01 (eleven years ago) link

Rettic AC = walking through snow and then suddenly seeing a huge wall made of cast iron looming in front of you

corey, Thursday, 11 November 2010 17:11 (eleven years ago) link

ledge, there's a better comparison of the Brooklyn Bridge where you see it head on as opposed to from the side.

"Pule" is really the only song on here that I have to keep myself from skipping.

Ou sont les cankles d'antan? (Leee), Friday, 12 November 2010 04:25 (eleven years ago) link

anyone got a link to the original Brooklyn Bridge photo?

The Great Cool Lulu who sleeps in Riley... (dog latin), Friday, 12 November 2010 10:05 (eleven years ago) link

Strangle this is pretty much the only LP of theres i actually like

X-101, Friday, 12 November 2010 10:09 (eleven years ago) link

That is kind of strange... If you like this one, I couldn't imagine you not liking many of the others.

The Great Cool Lulu who sleeps in Riley... (dog latin), Friday, 12 November 2010 10:10 (eleven years ago) link

some talk about the design here, but no picture http://m-woolley0811-dc.blogspot.com/2010/11/tdrautechre-chiastic-slide.html

there was a microsite on the warp web pages for either this or envane which was the sleeve done as layers that floated over each other randomly. was lovely.

koogs, Friday, 12 November 2010 10:37 (eleven years ago) link

That is kind of strange... If you like this one, I couldn't imagine you not liking many of the others.

― The Great Cool Lulu who sleeps in Riley... (dog latin), Friday, November 12, 2010 10:10 AM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark

Yeah i know but its the only one i can actually listen to start to finish

X-101, Friday, 12 November 2010 11:05 (eleven years ago) link

This is the album I've spent least time with out of the first five, which is weird since I remember quite liking, well, all of the tracks I can remember. Got to dig it out again...

moiré eel (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 12 November 2010 11:56 (eleven years ago) link

Just realised why I think of Kings Quest when I hear Hub, might just have something to do with playing an old copy of the game when I first heard the album - doh!

The Great Cool Lulu who sleeps in Riley... (dog latin), Friday, 12 November 2010 11:58 (eleven years ago) link

X-101, I can see what you mean, actually, despite once being a big pre-Confield Autechre fan. I do think that Chiastic is their most consistent album, very very few filler tracks compared to the others (which have towering highs but then several relative zzzz's).

Ou sont les cankles d'antan? (Leee), Saturday, 13 November 2010 20:02 (eleven years ago) link

Recury please.

moiré eel (a passing spacecadet), Saturday, 13 November 2010 20:35 (eleven years ago) link

anyone got a link to the original Brooklyn Bridge photo?

OK, I actually looked at the cover of Chiastic again and I'm now as baffled as the rest of you.

Ou sont les cankles d'antan? (Leee), Saturday, 13 November 2010 20:42 (eleven years ago) link

'Tewe' but as per the Tri Repetae poll I don't expect my favorites to be a majority winners

I think it's worth noting that autechre is the only techno I had ever bought and wasn't influenced by liking any other techno before I picked up autechre albums. I might be the only person here who can say that. At some point in my autechre collecting I did buy a couple ambient albums by brian eno and tangerine dream... maybe that affected my pallet

Life! The Story of Life (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 13 November 2010 21:47 (eleven years ago) link

IMO autechre's hey day is Tri-Repetae - Confield (save one track on Gantz Graf)

Life! The Story of Life (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 13 November 2010 21:48 (eleven years ago) link

really close tie between Tewe and Cipater for me though

Life! The Story of Life (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 13 November 2010 21:59 (eleven years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Sunday, 14 November 2010 00:01 (eleven years ago) link

maybe their most coherent album... might privilege the first and last for that reason, but think i'll pick cipater for being the best track to get from a kinda down feeling to thoughtful. also for the way the drums switch up, and the tiny bass in the beginning to the more expansive sound in the second half. and one of their best wandering synth lines

another al3x, Sunday, 14 November 2010 04:18 (eleven years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Monday, 15 November 2010 00:01 (eleven years ago) link

Closer than I thought! Also:
POLL4, Wrap5 -- Autechre :: LP5 :: LP5

Ou sont les cankles d'antan? (Leee), Monday, 15 November 2010 00:06 (eleven years ago) link

Even Hub got a vote!

Is Pule really 8 and a half minutes long?

The Great Cool Lulu who sleeps in Riley... (dog latin), Monday, 15 November 2010 00:35 (eleven years ago) link

Sad that no one voted "Calbruc" though. "Pule" sux~!

Ou sont les cankles d'antan? (Leee), Monday, 15 November 2010 00:37 (eleven years ago) link

Calbruc is too "WHHOOMP WHOOMP KAH!" for me.

The Great Cool Lulu who sleeps in Riley... (dog latin), Monday, 15 November 2010 00:49 (eleven years ago) link

Listening to Pule out of context... I think this is the reason the second half of the album drags for me. I like Ae's more shimmering, ambient fodder (Uviol and Overand spring to mind), but this goes on for ages with very little going on other than some nice echoey high-ends.

The Great Cool Lulu who sleeps in Riley... (dog latin), Monday, 15 November 2010 00:53 (eleven years ago) link

six years pass...

Hub is underrated.

I've managed to acquire all the reissues of the first three albums and it's great to finally spend some quality time with Incunabula, which I've never really done.

Hoping they release Chiastic/LP5/EP7 soon. Is this on the cards? OHMIGOSHIWILLDIE

PS - Hub is underrated. Definitely one of the weirder things they'd done up to that point.

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Monday, 9 January 2017 15:35 (four years ago) link

did i mention Hub is underrated?

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Monday, 9 January 2017 15:56 (four years ago) link

ten months pass...

speaking of Hub, I'm sure I can hear, very faintly, the tune of 'The First Noel' playing in the background

Fox Mulder, FYI (dog latin), Thursday, 23 November 2017 11:20 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

I've had it up to here waiting for Warp to reissue Chaistic / LP5 / EP7 / Confield. Is this even on the cards? I'd love these on vinyl.

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 15 July 2019 13:46 (two years ago) link

Though I wouldn't have voted for it, "Tewe" should have received more votes. One of my favorite "chill" ae tracks

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 14:18 (one month ago) link

I woulda. Genius track even the cat likes.

assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 16:43 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

Received my represses of Chiastic and LP5 today. Love them both although sadly track 1 on LP5 has a few skips (I clearly know this album well cos the uninitiated wouldn't be able to tell).

Anyway, bunged on Chiastic for the first time in a while and I'm struck how (and humour me here) but bluesy Cipater is. Like, it's got this kind of swing to it and the bass is doing what a double bass would do in a jazz-blues tune, and there's just this sort of swing band vibe to it I never really noticed before. Anyway, Tewe is starting now so I'm putting my phone down

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, 19 November 2021 19:44 (one week ago) link

Man, I really hope they keep reissuing these. It's nice that they're doing them in small infrequent bursts, but I kinda wish EP7 had also been included in this round

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, 19 November 2021 19:46 (one week ago) link

I just ordered them... hopefully LP5 is untarnished. Are you getting a replacement for yours, dog latin?

Still waiting for Confield and Draft, the two I represses I'm anticipating the most.

octobeard, Saturday, 20 November 2021 08:17 (one week ago) link

The ones I really want are Untilted, Oversteps, and Exai, might have to change my diet and exercise habits to ensure I live long enough to get them given the way vinyl production is going

frogbs, Saturday, 20 November 2021 14:42 (one week ago) link

I find it interesting how much people have come to re-evaluate the Draft through Oversteps era.

I'm not sure if it's just me but that era felt, critically and commercially, like their wilderness period when their music got a lot less accessible (fewer obvious melodies) but also the appetite for Autechre and Warp/IDM style music in general was dwindling, maybe because stuff like the more leftfield end of dubstep, minimal tech etc were filling that gap in a hipper, more club-friendly fashion (why listen to Quaristice when you've got Ricardo Villalobos and Burial?).

Confield had nonplussed me, Draft had left me cold and I had almost given up on Autechre as a going cause by the time I heard Untilted. I think it was Oversteps that made me think " Hey maybe there's something left in the tank after all" and then by Exai I was definitely back on the wagon.

I've since come back to Draft and Untilted and I really like them now, but certainly at the time they sounded like an act that had hit a creative rut to me. Anyone else feel this or is this just my subjective experience?

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Saturday, 20 November 2021 18:32 (one week ago) link

Yeah, I had a very similar experience with 00s Autechre. I loved Confield when it came out, but I couldn’t get into Draft or Untilted at the time because they seemed melodically/harmonically dry in comparison. Which is weird in retrospect, because there’s plenty going on harmonically on those albums; it’s just sublimated/Sublimited (and nothing on them appeals to the emotions as directly as the synths on “Pen Expers”).

Now, since I properly revisited Draft and Untilted last year, I love them unreservedly, and it seems obvious that they solved music with “Surripere” and “Augmatic Disport.”

J. Sam, Sunday, 21 November 2021 15:37 (one week ago) link

If there's one Ae album I can't really get my head around even after countless listens it's Confield

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Sunday, 21 November 2021 18:25 (one week ago) link

this is me with Draft

Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 21 November 2021 18:50 (one week ago) link

Must have said this before but I think of Draft as "wood", all creaking and snapping, crunching and stretching. Whereas Untilted is more metallic - like being inside a big pinball machine or a futuristic Speedball-style sport stadium. Confield I just don't know. There are so many horrible sound choices on that one

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Sunday, 21 November 2021 21:46 (one week ago) link

Draft is most definitely wood, they said at the time a lot of the sources were recordings of pieces of wood. "Xylin Room" even gives it away in the title.
For those wanting to like the album more I recommend absolutely cranking "Surripere", it elevates to a new dimension when insanely loud.

assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 22 November 2021 00:15 (one week ago) link

Huh. Didn't know Xylin was a wood varnish

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Monday, 22 November 2021 00:17 (one week ago) link

I thought it was a corruption of xylem which are the tiny tubes running through wood to carry water

assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 22 November 2021 00:30 (one week ago) link

Xylon is Greek for wood - see e.g. xylophone.

namaste darkness my old friend (ledge), Monday, 22 November 2021 08:58 (one week ago) link

Dog Latin - yeah, in that era my interest was fading a little, too.

If I’m honest, 1998-2002 is the first peak AE time for me. ‘98 is when I got on board. It was glorious. W we not back to the earlier stuff and spent time with it but (yes, I know I’m alone in this feeling) it felt too generic, too … I don’t know. Accomplished but unexciting? Put LP5 up against the earlier material and it’s night and day to me.

2003-2010 was a stretch of following along but not being sure how much I was earnestly enjoying myself. They became mood ring music in the way Black Dice/Eric Copeland are too often - every listen a different impression, frustrating, hard to know where I stood with these guys, often an shifting target. A lot of times a release would have a track or two that really worked for me. This is a period I intend to re-evaluate soon.

2013 is when things started to really, really work for me again - Exai clicked! Elseq totally clicked. The live stuff too (though I haven’t heard it all, there’s too much). NTS is great. SIGN/PLUS not so much but I’ll revisit this winter.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 22 November 2021 09:38 (one week ago) link

“Went back to the earlier stuff”

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 22 November 2021 09:39 (one week ago) link

One thing we can all probably agree on: what a wild, *open* catalogue these guys have. Taken together, they kinda do anything and everything.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 22 November 2021 09:49 (one week ago) link

Raymond, that's exactly my experience. Bought LP5 c1998 after having bought as much Aphex back catalogue as I could.
At first I wondered if it was a joke! Or maybe not a joke - Aphex had always had a sense of humour, of tongue in cheek, so to hear this same kind of music played out in such a po-faced way, especially since tracks like Fold4,Wrap5 and Drane2 seemed to be using similar techniques as Aphex had on Come To Daddy and Windowlicker, it really made me wonder whether Ae were to be taken seriously.
But LP5 and soon after EP7 grew on me and became firm faves. Felt the same way about the earlier stuff, and it's only in recent years I've really got to appreciate Incunabula for what it is. Confield threw me: It was just one level of abstraction too far and I remember a lot of hardened fans online complaining about it. I tried and tried with it but I still to this day find even the most popular tracks quite painful to listen to.

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Monday, 22 November 2021 10:51 (one week ago) link

Quite similar for me too, I had borrowed and listened to Tri Rep quite a bit and liked their vibe, but when I heard LP5 I bought it after 2 tracks. Went back, Incunabula was a shrug, Amber transcendent, Tri Rep now seemed bland, Chiastic impenetrable but charismatic, all the EPs superb. EP7 came out, complete obsession, Confield was like the face of god to behold. I never really calmed down after that but it tailed off gradually until Exai planted the flag again.

assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 22 November 2021 11:02 (one week ago) link

I really think, especially for fans of 90s Autechre, that peeps should revisit SIGN/PLUS. I firmly believe they are some of their best albums and I'm very surprised others on here don't rate them so highly.

I tried giving NTS1 a listen last night while playing video games, but I'm still not sure I fully get it. These tracks are too long and trundling to really elicit concentrated deep listening, but if they're on in the background I guess they provide a sort of monotonous grey groove? I don't hate it, but it really feels like an endurance test a lot of the time. Really I'd be able to pick maybe three or four essential tracks from the whole thing and be happy with that

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Monday, 22 November 2021 11:39 (one week ago) link

Hmmm.

You know, it think somehow just I’ve come to want longer AE tracks, collected, where each track is its own planet.

(Or they’ve trained me to want this.)

When each track is long enough it’s easier to roll with the fact that 4-5 tracks are reasonably different from one another.

And then the swing back to LPs that attempt to sustain a mood (sorta) with 3-8 minute tracks don’t quite cut it.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 22 November 2021 12:09 (one week ago) link

I dunno, I feel like they’ve created new forms for their work in the last 20 years (god Confield is 20 now). NTS feels like a development of cap.IV, the 8 minute multipart tracks on (massively underrated) Untilted, and so on. A lot of Quaristice played with long tracks which were themselves parts of a larger mutating thing across the Versions and EP releases, culminating in that long Perlence subrange thing which took it as far as it could go, an hour long timecrawled single beat falling to bits, and then on NTS they found the balance (for me).

assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 22 November 2021 12:35 (one week ago) link

I think Confield/Ganz Graf/Draft 7.30 is always going to feel like peak autechre to me, maybe it's just because that's when I started buying those albums on release, but that was when I really really got into them.

silverfish, Monday, 22 November 2021 15:37 (one week ago) link

Ganz Graf, now there's one I forget exists from time to time. Even more than Confield (which I thought came out afterwards but apparently not), that one really felt like Ae pushing things to the outer limits at the time. It was definitely helped by the video, which seemed like the future at the time but now looks strangely dated.

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Monday, 22 November 2021 15:49 (one week ago) link

I can definitely hear a direct link between Ganz Graf and the NTS Sessions. I might be in the minority when I say I prefer Autechre when they're not being overtly claustro and itchy, which might explain why I like LP5 and the most recent two from last year the most.

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Monday, 22 November 2021 15:51 (one week ago) link

Gantz with a t

https://gantzmythsources.libs.uga.edu/
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3xoAEAAAQBAJ

a coincidence? i think not...

koogs, Monday, 22 November 2021 17:18 (one week ago) link

huh

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Monday, 22 November 2021 22:05 (one week ago) link

my feeling these days is that elseq is the long-form masterpiece

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 22 November 2021 22:16 (one week ago) link

Elseq is the overlooked middle child between Exai and NTS. I should revisit it

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 00:25 (one week ago) link

I'm not sure if it's just me but that era felt, critically and commercially, like their wilderness period when their music got a lot less accessible (fewer obvious melodies) but also the appetite for Autechre and Warp/IDM style music in general was dwindling, maybe because stuff like the more leftfield end of dubstep, minimal tech etc were filling that gap in a hipper, more club-friendly fashion (why listen to Quaristice when you've got Ricardo Villalobos and Burial?).

... I've since come back to Draft and Untilted and I really like them now, but certainly at the time they sounded like an act that had hit a creative rut to me. Anyone else feel this or is this just my subjective experience?

This definitely resonates with me. When Confield came out, it was a bit of a shocker for me in terms of its heady experimentalism and dearth of accessibility. Yet despite this, there were a few tracks that really got me going - same with Draft, if not more so, but it felt as if "Autechre was dying or dead" or some such melodramatic nonsense. When Untilted dropped I was about done with the band - that album seemed to me them taking the piss, ditching all manner of melody and accessibility (outside of the opening track) nearing self parody. Indeed, I got into dubstep and the atmospheric experimentalism of that scene in addition to techno (Koze and Isolee were my gateway drugs there) around the same time (2005-2007). Just felt like experimental electronic music or "IDM" was out of ideas at that point - and dubstep a la Burial was the real "IDM", a club friendly, emotive, atmospheric vibe expressed with texture and abstract sounds in a new way.

Didn't take long for me to really reassess the "Mechanical Trilogy" of Confield through Untilted, and by 2010 I was really enjoying all of latter. My own tastes had evolved too, to appreciate less melodic, more textural, experimental and rhythmic music too. Wasn't too long that it became hard for me to listen to pre Chiastic era Ae. Amber and Quaristice are my least favorite Ae records now. Instead of them "falling off" I now feel like they've merely evolved and grown, simultaneously getting less and more accessible by simply ... being about as prolific as any musician or band on the planet

octobeard, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 01:51 (one week ago) link

Elseq is the overlooked middle child between Exai and NTS. I should revisit it

Yes. Latentcall is a top 5 Ae track. Easily one of the most amazing, epic and uptempo tracks they've ever laid to tape. Shame it's digital only

octobeard, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 01:53 (one week ago) link

Funny about Amber. It used to be one of my faves when I was getting into them, and I preferred it to Tri Rep and Chiastic. I don't know if it's cos I listened to it so much back int he day, but since buying up the first three reissues, it's the one I play the least. Incunabula has shot up in my estimation: I just wasn't into it when I was younger

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 08:05 (one week ago) link

Listening to Untilted right now, have always thought of as the weak link in their '00s catalogue but it's sounding pretty great on earphones. I need to go back to Elseq as well.

Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 18:08 (one week ago) link

Funny, Untilted felt to me like they reached what they’d been heading for. I listened to it a lot and loved the drama of each track unfolding like a miniature story, e.g. Augmatic Disport and Pro Radii. Fermium is slithery and beautiful too, but being fascinated by rhythm I didn’t understand folks lamenting the loss of melodies, it seemed beside the point.
Anyone else remember the “mad day out” video for Fermium?

assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 18:15 (one week ago) link

Amber is a pretty special album. I'm not sure where it slots in with the rest of their catalogue. It doesn't really fit in with anything else either. Like the end of "Silverside"...where the hell did that come from?

tbh it was Chiastic Slide that really made this group click for me. Tri Rep has some parts I enjoy very much but as a whole it's too...dry? Rigid? So much tick-tick-tick-clank-tick-tick-glorp-clunk. Too "industrial" as in "pulling a double shift at the metal door hinge factory and trying to come up with patterns in the machines". I actually think it's one of their uh...less good albums? I mean all 14 or whatever of their LPs are great but I think it would rank near the bottom. Once I got into Chiastic and started hearing those rhythms swing around I was like...yeah, that's what it's all about, I get it now.

of the "mechanical trilogy" the only one I really struggled with is Draft. the other two, as difficult as they are, are sonically thrilling. the sound design on Confield is still unlike anything else and Untilted is such a jam. Draft may be too strange even for me.

frogbs, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 18:18 (one week ago) link

there are so many melodies on untitled tho

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 18:28 (one week ago) link

untilted*

best album title ever too

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 18:28 (one week ago) link

Agree with frogbs on everything there. I go back to TR for Clipper though.

lukas, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 18:38 (one week ago) link

Chiastic is definitely when they "became" Autechre if that makes any sense. The albums before are very special and unique but I can't think of anything that would have sounded close to Chiastic Slide when it came out - a total game changer.

I'm listening to Untilted really loud in my headphones lads, and man there's so much going on in here I didn't notice the first 80 times I've played this album

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 22:40 (one week ago) link

And frogbs I agree with about Tri Rep. There are days when I'm in the mood for it and I really like Leterel, Eutow and Overand, but overall it's a masochistic grinding record. I guess it shares a lot of properties with Untilted in the way it's a "metal" textured thing, Untilted is all shiny, hard and spherical whereas Tri Rep is worn and gritty like when you try to unscrew something and the thread is all fucked

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 22:44 (one week ago) link

I often wonder how much the album artwork affects my perception of these records. As well as being one of my all time favourite groups, they've got some of my favourite sleeve art ever. (Although not sure about Exai or Confield - I need those explained to me)

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 22:48 (one week ago) link

Brad, if you're hearing lots of melodies, at least on the opening two tracks, we've definitely got different ears. Only towards the end of Ipacial Section is there a discernible bassline (although there is a LOT of sub bass on these tracks)

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 22:55 (one week ago) link

Also there are a lot of human voices and noises on Untilted which I'd never really paid much notice of before - not something they'd really done since Ccec on EP7 I think?

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 22:57 (one week ago) link

break

assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 23:36 (one week ago) link

also by overwhelming demand, that Fermium video (official, btw):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doue-G-tun8

assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 23:39 (one week ago) link

hard agree about trirep being a little dry. it still has honestly never fully clicked for me. and since that was the first one I bought, I sure have tried a lot. luckily it was the ++ edition with the garbage + anvil vapre eps as a bonus disc. I took to those instantly and kept going with the group.

with untilted, I also wasn't super into it when it came out. but weirdly, I had heard some of live bootlegs from that tour first, and although I dug some of it (esp "sublimit," hard to argue with that one), I found the album a bit disappointing as a whole in comparison to those live sets. that glasgow art school soundboard recording from 2005 in particular, which is still one of my favorite autechre things. but I got over it. untilted rules.

(⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 23:49 (one week ago) link

I've said this before here but Tri-Rep and the records around that time really could use a remaster. Also agree it's not aged well (I also still revisit for Clipper and Eutow/C-Pach (also don't discount the Japanese bonus track Medrey and that iconic Ae Juno-106 bass synth) and sounds tinny and brittle.

Untilted is definitely a jam, and especially a wild headphone listen. And yes there's melodies, but 90's Ae fans were blessed with vibe like atmospheres and melodies from tracks like Cipater, Cichli, Rae and Corc that had syncopation, progression and more traditional expressions of straight forward emotions like melancholy or swagger, rather than the autistic spasms of most of the songs on Untilted with some chords buried in the mix, discovered after a half dozen listens on nice cans. To describe that record as "full of melodies" is like saying Low's HEY WHAT is full of great drumming and percussion. It's there, mostly expressed up front in a single track (LCC), but not exactly the focal point, which was their intention.

octobeard, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 23:57 (one week ago) link

if nothing else it would be nice to neuter some of those high pitched noises. "Stud" makes me feel like I'm eating a box of nails.

frogbs, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 03:30 (two days ago) link

Listening to Untilted this morning I heard a lot of similar sounds and textures to Dots and Loops, especially between "Sublimit" and "Contronatura." They both sounds like (and I guess are) very programmed records built partly from vintage electronic sounds -- like you're listening to a hard disk (one that's occasionally unreadable, in the case of Untilted, though I think this especially because my copy skips in some CD players as I mentioned in another thread).

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 12:57 (two days ago) link


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.