but also i don't credit anything good about that record to rubin producing necessarily. rubin by many accounts has been a largely hands-off producer for like twenty years now. iirc his great contribution to the last sp record was reducing 16 songs to 8
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 28 August 2020 14:40 (three years ago) link
yes his one innovation lately tends to be saying "shorter is better" to people who are inclined to say otherwise. but even that seems to be very selectively applied.
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Friday, 28 August 2020 14:45 (three years ago) link
Sure doesn't seem to say it in reference to his beard but there you go.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 August 2020 15:09 (three years ago) link
lol
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 28 August 2020 15:15 (three years ago) link
Wow, "Cyr" is bad.
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Saturday, 29 August 2020 16:18 (three years ago) link
Rubin did a great job on Ogilala. My favorite post-2000 BC/SP release.Still just a year into my decade long sabbatical from SP & BC so I haven’t listened to the new songs. How are the vocals mixed? Dare I ask...
― flappy bird, Saturday, 29 August 2020 19:35 (three years ago) link
both of his recent solo releases were good
the vocals on these songs are mixed right up front and loud as has been the tradition since... zwan?
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 29 August 2020 20:18 (three years ago) link
These new songs are okay? I think rather hear them call all our Future Embrace than hanging here in this sort of middle zone.
And again, a complaint I have with so much of the recent Pumpkins music - imagine having Jimmy Chamberlain behind the kit in your band and restricting him to.... this. Not that he does a bad job with it, but I want more chances for him to cut loose.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Saturday, 29 August 2020 20:44 (three years ago) link
Damn autocorrect, Chamberlin.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Saturday, 29 August 2020 20:45 (three years ago) link
xxp Some tradition.... ugh... you'd think BC would just record ONE b-side where he just like drenches his voice in flanger or delay or something. he should make something like Spaced again
― flappy bird, Saturday, 29 August 2020 23:25 (three years ago) link
how were those Gish "deep dives" on instagram he was doing?
"Tonight, Tonight" came on shuffle and I had two thoughts
1. corgan would be pleased to know that the 30somethings and probably others of today consider them among "the core, the heart music"2. is it just me or is MCIS mixed quietly and softly on every release? it always stands out on a playlist in this regard. it almost seems like it's done on purpose to keep it as a little hermetic experience. (SD is also a bit quiet but not as much, I don't think)
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Sunday, 30 August 2020 01:22 (three years ago) link
was it flappy bird who informed me that it's mixed kind of flat bc of all its crazy dynamics? it's the thing that keeps me at a distance from it these days
this is maybe just a me problem but i have no idea how to tell the difference between the original masters and remasters of sp stuff unless it's really dramatic, iirc there's a weird edit on "crestfallen" (or "pug"?) on the adore remaster
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 30 August 2020 01:37 (three years ago) link
yeah they're maybe a titch louder but in general the remasters have been pretty subtle, which is one reason the revamped Machina reissue concept was interesting
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Sunday, 30 August 2020 21:00 (three years ago) link
tbh that is the only sp news i'm interested in
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 30 August 2020 21:14 (three years ago) link
Mmm the vocals on cyr are mixed too loud. It makes sense since Corgan’s tone is the least generic sound in here but the whole thing sounds cheap somehow.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 3 September 2020 04:50 (three years ago) link
Simon & Brad: MCIS was intentionally mixed slightly muddy and it's quiet presumably to retain dynamic range--a rarity for a 1995 CD. I also think that Corgan & Flood basically ran out of time: they were still recording songs in August 1995 (there's an internal Virgin promo with some alternate song titles; "Bodies" was "The Rattler"), and by the end of that month they were already off playing Reading and other Euro festivals. They shot the BWBW video at the end of September, so they had roughly ONE MONTH to mix MCIS (and a good chunk of B-sides). Whereas I think Corgan & Vig took 6-8 weeks to mix SD. So I don't think they fucked it up, and they basically got what they wanted (a low-mid focus), but if they had even just another couple weeks, it'd probably sound better.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 3 September 2020 17:06 (three years ago) link
nice deets. I think it sounds good, I’m here for the low-mid focus.
― brimstead, Thursday, 3 September 2020 17:33 (three years ago) link
Been listening to MCIS and AFH all day. I love these songs unreservedly for ever. They’ve been with me so long, makes me feel safe and home more than most else
― Mule, Thursday, 3 September 2020 17:39 (three years ago) link
But even disregarding all that (positive) emotional baggage, they still sound so fucking good.
― Mule, Thursday, 3 September 2020 17:41 (three years ago) link
thanks for the info fb, that all makes a lot of sense. despite my mild misgivings I don't know if I'd be comfortable with changing the sound of MCIS at all
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Thursday, 3 September 2020 20:06 (three years ago) link
Yeah I agree Brim+Simon, I like the way it sounds a lot, you just need to turn it up relative to most other music. And yeah I don't know what I would change either. You can hear hints of what a modern/more time intensive mix might've come up with if you listen to the bonus stuff on the MCIS/TAFH reissues. the albums themselves don't really sound different, but something like Inside the Dark Globe or the full Pastichio Medley tracks have more teeth to them, more cut. They're also brickwalled iirc, don't remember but they definitely don't have the dynamic range of the primary albums (thank god he didn't change any of that--remember how "Plume" has a scratch vocal take on the reissue because he didn't realize it was wrong? lol)
― flappy bird, Thursday, 3 September 2020 20:22 (three years ago) link
Oh yeah and "XYU" was called "Spum" until the last minute...you can hear him introduce it at Reading '95 in a sort of jokey high voice... really glad he changed that title....
― flappy bird, Thursday, 3 September 2020 20:24 (three years ago) link
Ha I always wondered what the hell he was saying in my bootleg of that show.
― Sam Weller, Thursday, 3 September 2020 20:28 (three years ago) link
My “Mellon Collie”:JellybellyHere Is no WhyCupid De LockeMuzzlePorcelina Where BoysBodiesThirty-Three1979BeautifulBy Starlight(bonus track: We Only Come Out at Night)
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 01:29 (three years ago) link
no ruby no cred
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 September 2020 01:35 (three years ago) link
accurate
― flappy bird, Saturday, 5 September 2020 01:52 (three years ago) link
i really love the way mcis sounds, one of the best sounding rock albums ever imo. has a lovely warmth to it
― ufo, Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:02 (three years ago) link
I’m getting into an album that I ignored for 25 years, cut me some slack!
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:03 (three years ago) link
I luv how they continued with / expanded on that downtuned modern-rock sound of “Hummer” and “Mayonaise” with tracks like “Jellybelly.”
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:10 (three years ago) link
tbh all of the pre-machina sp records sound great
as i've prob admitted on this thread multiple times i even love the way machina sounds even though it sounds bad
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:15 (three years ago) link
hah, same!!
― brimstead, Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:16 (three years ago) link
the mix is so muddy but that overdriven guitar sound where it sounds simultaneously like a synth and a laser... fuckin incredible
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:18 (three years ago) link
(“Ruby” is ok, but kinda plodding?, and in a Pumpkins mode that I don’t dig so much. My least favorite mode is when they get aggro, à la “Geek USA” & “Silverf*ck” — or, on this album, “Ode to No One” & “XYU”)
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:19 (three years ago) link
(but I was a teenage Gish-head who was kinda confused by SD, and stopped buying their albums altogether after Pisces)
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:20 (three years ago) link
'Ruby' is pretty much a prog epic...
― aphoristical, Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:21 (three years ago) link
Serious q—should I try making it thru the 64 bonus tracks on the Deluxe Edition; or just start with this "Pastichio Medley" I’ve read so much about (today) (on Wikipedia)?
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:59 (three years ago) link
The instrumental gravity demos are tite
― brimstead, Saturday, 5 September 2020 03:05 (three years ago) link
you mean the mellon collie deluxe bonus tracks? ehhhh. i would just listen to aeroplane?
brimstead is right that the gravity demos are tight but that's like superfan shit
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 September 2020 03:07 (three years ago) link
aw guess those are on the aeroplane flies high deluxe ed
― brimstead, Saturday, 5 September 2020 03:07 (three years ago) link
Cool, thanks, I’ll check out Aeroplane
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 03:29 (three years ago) link
the best mcis b-sides are as follows: "mouths of babes," "set the ray to jerry," "cherry," "aeroplane flies high," "the boy," the entire tonight tonight ep minus "blank"
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 September 2020 03:36 (three years ago) link
i sometimes feel like i'm the only person who loves "transformer" but "transformer"
oh and "pennies" and "marquis in spades," zero ep is where it's at really
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 September 2020 03:37 (three years ago) link
I'm trying to discern if "Transformer" and "The Bells" have any Lou Reed going on, or if the titles are just a coincidence
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 06:30 (three years ago) link
yeah, "The Boy" and "Pennies" make you go... "he can write songs like that?"
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 06:39 (three years ago) link
“the boy” was written by james iha tbf
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 September 2020 12:16 (three years ago) link
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― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 5 September 2020 13:21 (three years ago) link
I had the CD version of MCIS growing up but i think I prefer the track order on the vinyl version
― trapped out the barndo (crüt), Saturday, 5 September 2020 14:15 (three years ago) link
Set the Ray to Jerry and Pennies are perhaps two of my favorite Smashing Pumpkins songs and I didn’t get to hear them long after my teenage MCIS obsession had passed. I always wonder if my opinion on them would be the same if they had been included in the album.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 5 September 2020 14:32 (three years ago) link