Whatever happened to mary margaret o'hara ?

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found 'miss america' inna bargain bin today an' wondered ?

Geordie Racer, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

She sang on Morrissey's "November Spawned a Monster," released a Xmas EP in 1991, and...disappeared. I guess.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Mentioned in MOJO's cult heroes thing last year. Apparently she's expressed interest in recording an instrumental album, but that's about it.

Philip Alderman, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

She's turned up here and there, but not in any great amounts. Last sighting I've seen was on the new album by John Southworth (Banff Springs, Transylvania). It would be nice to see a follow-up to Miss America, but it'd surely be disappointing after all this wait.

Sean Carruthers, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

The most substantial new things I've heard her do were on the first album by the Henrys, 'Puerto Angel'. She sings two or three tracks, including a lovely cover of 'The One Rose' and the self-composed 'Dear Dark Heart'. Their second album, 'Chasing Grace' has a few of her vocals too. I haven't got their most recent one 'Desert Cure' but I think she's on that as well.

She's also popped up on a Gary Lucas album, and 'Sweet Gravity II', that charity Vic Chestnutt tribute album (also notable for a contribution by Hootie & The Blowfish..)

Nick, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

She was truly, madly awful. Celtic with a big capital C and should have been spoofed on Father Ted - the River-dancer of Canada.

Guy, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Are you sure you're talking about the same person? She doesn't sound very Celtic to me.

Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
Here he is again!!

the pinefox, Thursday, 24 April 2003 11:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

she composed most of the soundtrack to the film 'apartment hunting'. haven't heard it yet, reviews say 'there's some filler but much of it is just as good as miss america'. It's expensive, haven't bought it yet -- has anyone heard it?

'miss america' is an odd record. The production is almost punishingly bland mid-80's adult contemporary rock/country. But then she begins singing and I just can't believe it. The album really grew on me, especially the quiet opening & closing.

milton, Thursday, 24 April 2003 18:02 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

She finally decided it was alright to record with John Leckie and Andy Partridge after all.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 24 April 2003 18:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Apartment Hunting

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 24 April 2003 18:07 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Great, if I find a copy I probably won't be able to afford it.

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 24 April 2003 18:10 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Okay, I just looked up Apartment Hunting and the price is actually not that bad -- about the price of an average import. Ignore my previous post.

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 24 April 2003 18:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
has just appeared in the revived production of the Wilson/Waits/Burroughs musical The black Rider so she's still alive!

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 21:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Bloody hell! Does this mean we have to organise a mass Glasgow/London-ILX trip to the theatre? Actually, that's a bit creepy.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 22:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

let's do it - N. to thread!

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 22:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
Black Rider coming to San Francisco.

no direct mention if O'Hara's in the SF production. amazing to think of being disappointed by seeing a Wilson/Waits/Burroughs collaboration, but I certainly will be if she's pulled out before I get to see her.

(Jon L), Friday, 30 July 2004 07:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Oh - I've only just seen this (thread)!

Alba (Alba), Friday, 30 July 2004 07:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

miss america is one of my favourite lps ever.

gaz (gaz), Friday, 30 July 2004 08:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I mean not 'thread' - I mean revival, re: Black Rider. Did anyone go?

Alba (Alba), Friday, 30 July 2004 10:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

yeah i went, it was fab. i bought an extra ticket but you didn't turn up.

No i didn't but i would REALLY have loved to.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 30 July 2004 10:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

She does guest vocals on a song from this recent album:
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00025C92A.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
(a great album btw)

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

she's in the cast for san francisco.

get tickets now, they're going fast.

(Jon L), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 19:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
ok saw 'Black Rider' last night. liked it very much, with several reservations based on personal taste perhaps not worth going much into (Waits and Wilson make for an odd couple, basically).

I'm a big Burroughs fan; it's a great cast; the final Wedding scene is pure Wilson lucid dreamstate. But the reason I'm thinking of going again is Ms O'Hara. Every second she's on the stage is just unbelievable, especially the first duet with her suitor, which was the one bafflingly emotional moment of the whole night purely on the basis of the tone of her voice, and getting to watch her as sang it.

The way she veers from perfect songbird to absolute raving madwoman; I can think of other singers who have the technical range, but it's always a bit of an exercise. When she does it I believe her.

A few tickets left for San Francisco. Some without Marianne Faithful, but she is the least of the reasons to see this actually; she's barely in it. The production is going to Australia next.

(Jon L), Thursday, 16 September 2004 18:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
Mary Margaret O'Hara is in the LA production of the Black Rider

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/features/live/b/black-rider-06/

I'm definitely thinking of seeing it again. And if anyone, anyone, hears of any surreptitiously announced solo shows of hers while she's in town... please wake up this thread, or at least let me know.

milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:04 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Irish singer-songwriter?

Paul Eater (eater), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
'when you know why you're happy', live on night music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIhu2CcH7tw

'bodies in trouble' video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z14wPTz6PdY

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 17:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

thank you, youtube member k8fan

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 17:41 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Mary became a regular member of the band The Henrys throughout the late 90s.

Owen Pallett (Owen Pallett), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 15:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

six months pass...
she contributed a new song to a hal willner compilation called rogue's gallery last year. it's amazing.

video just got added to youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fagaxsbqnc0

still hoping for a cast recording of black rider.

Milton Parker, Friday, 23 February 2007 00:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i had no idea she was Catherine O'Hara's sister!

jed_, Friday, 23 February 2007 01:33 (eleven years ago) Permalink

also - never heard this before or even heard of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fagaxsbqnc0

jed_, Friday, 23 February 2007 01:37 (eleven years ago) Permalink

sorry got my wires crossed a bit there.

jed_, Friday, 23 February 2007 01:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

it's cool -- was listening to 'miss america' a lot this weekend and checked in with youtube to see the two videos and _that_ turned up -- you'd think that the news about her first new song in six years would have travelled a little faster, I'm just happy to hear it now

Milton Parker, Friday, 23 February 2007 02:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
she played all tomorrow's parties a few weeks ago in the UK?

music videos from 'apartment hunting' up now on youtube & fan page

Milton Parker, Friday, 11 May 2007 01:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Just noticed that Apartment Hunting is now on eMusic. My download credits for this month are almost gone, unfortunately.

How many tracks on this thing are songs, anyway?

Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 19:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

MMoH on the left

SCTV's The Last Polka - The Lemon Twins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JreEPKE7FMA

Milton Parker, Thursday, 1 November 2007 21:54 (ten years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

I'm sad no one else has posted this yet. And I'm sad I'm finding out about this about a week before it's going down.

http://www.villagevoice.com/nycguide/ev121095,6.html

Mary Margaret O’Hara and Guests
The Stone
E 2nd St & Avenue C, New York, NY
Sat, Jan 05, 08:00 pm

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 23:02 (ten years ago) Permalink

$10, baargain.

Billy Dods, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 23:05 (ten years ago) Permalink

bargain for all 50 people who can fit into that room

I know she's modest, but that is going to be madness

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 23:11 (ten years ago) Permalink

very surprised that alex ross liked this album. i am a sucker for good drumming too but no drummer in the world can save these shitty ballads (even reckoner which may be the best song is totally annihilated after one and a half minutes by the string section).

alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 23:22 (ten years ago) Permalink

sorry, wrong thread!

alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 23:30 (ten years ago) Permalink

I love that bodies in trouble song but know nothing else. Is it all as off kilter and beautiful?

I know, right?, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 23:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQbAr1DCjYw&feature=related

if you like this, find a copy of miss america

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 23:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

I actually just rapidshared one. I'll have to get sick of listening to Body's in Trouble before I listen to anything else.

You want to feel somebody, *oh* who do you talk to?

I know, right?, Thursday, 27 December 2007 00:05 (ten years ago) Permalink

Did anybody make it to the show?

Billy Dods, Monday, 7 January 2008 04:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

I love this album, especially Anew Day and Not Be Alright

I know, right?, Thursday, 24 January 2008 20:35 (ten years ago) Permalink

this is fucking glorious

plax (ico), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 17:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

lovely

Ndamukong HOOS (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 18:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

when she starts crying in the video (2 minutes in) i get a lump in my throat. every single time.

jed_, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 18:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqctCwhunjE

alba has seen this! has anyone else?

i lost my shoes on acid (jed_), Thursday, 19 September 2013 00:16 (four years ago) Permalink

that looks amazing!!

scott seward, Thursday, 19 September 2013 00:44 (four years ago) Permalink

and so beautiful to look at even in the trailer. wow, i must see that.

scott seward, Thursday, 19 September 2013 00:45 (four years ago) Permalink

it does! i didn't know about it. it was the trailer before the movie i went to see this week and i had a moment of confusion.

i lost my shoes on acid (jed_), Thursday, 19 September 2013 00:50 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah i saw it last week. it's very good. the director does sort of non-narrative travelogues with some meditative musings over the top -- i was surprised by how well it was worked into a fiction film. it helps that the male lead actor is so sonorous and watchable. i was bored a couple of times -- where the camera lingers on urban scenes where i don't see the point of lingering -- but for the most part it's v warm and rewarding, and has moments of real beauty.

zvookster, Thursday, 19 September 2013 00:51 (four years ago) Permalink

i love that she looks so much like her sis. cuz i love them both so much.

scott seward, Thursday, 19 September 2013 00:52 (four years ago) Permalink

i could look at this picture all day.

http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Catherine+O+Hara+Mary+Margaret+O+Hara+CineVegas+XgGyDCtnyolx.jpg

scott seward, Thursday, 19 September 2013 00:53 (four years ago) Permalink

i don't think i've been so excited to see something for years.

i lost my shoes on acid (jed_), Thursday, 19 September 2013 00:54 (four years ago) Permalink

Cohen also had a hand in arranging the collaboration that recently brought O’Hara to Montreal’s Hotel2Tango studio to work with Constellation Records’ Thierry Amar, Fugazi’s Guy Picciotto (members of Vic Chesnutt’s band) and Australian drummer Jim White of Dirty Three.

http://www.nowtoronto.com/music/story.cfm?content=188372

scott seward, Thursday, 19 September 2013 00:56 (four years ago) Permalink

there are some sisterly themed alice munro stories where i totally picture the sisters as the O'Hara sisters.

i lost my shoes on acid (jed_), Thursday, 19 September 2013 01:01 (four years ago) Permalink

interesting, i don't really know his story. i noticed in the credits patti smith exec produced museum hours. xp

zvookster, Thursday, 19 September 2013 01:02 (four years ago) Permalink

that movie looks like something I would enjoy.

I read her Wikipedia entry thanks to this revive and found this very amusing:

In 1983, O'Hara left Go Deo and was signed by Virgin Records. Andy Partridge of XTC was scheduled as her producer but was fired after his first day [3] due to his reported difficulties with O'Hara's musical approach.

money, chicken and other DNA (sleeve), Thursday, 19 September 2013 01:05 (four years ago) Permalink

ha!

i lost my shoes on acid (jed_), Thursday, 19 September 2013 01:07 (four years ago) Permalink

Andy Partridge of XTC was scheduled as her producer but was fired after his first day [3] due to his reported difficulties with O'Hara's musical approach.

Partridge has also intimated that devout Catholic O'Hara wasn't thrilled to find out her producer was an atheist and engineer John Leckie was under the spell of Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh. So suddenly they had a few weeks vacation on their hands, and Partridge mentions this idea he had to record a psychedelic album.

So we can thank Mary Margaret O'Hara for the Dukes of Stratosphear.

Hideous Lump, Thursday, 19 September 2013 01:52 (four years ago) Permalink

Scott, you have to see this. it's wonderful. really beautiful.

i lost my shoes on acid (jed_), Monday, 23 September 2013 23:06 (four years ago) Permalink

i was bored a couple of times -- where the camera lingers on urban scenes where i don't see the point of lingering

zvook, i'm kinda surprised at this since the film was completely about looking and seeing everything with equal weight and importance but choosing your own centre within the seeing and it's set up fairly early on. where the narrator describes the egg shells, bones, cigarette butts, old newspapers, spent beer cans and cuts from the Breugel to the scenes in Vienna. It's about slowness and lingering as well so i can understand the boredom but it's part of it and it pays off very gently at the end.

Then the Lecture on Breugel where the tour guide talks about finding the centre (for you) within the painting which analogues to as much time being spent looking at the people looking at the paintings as the paintings themselves in wide or in detail and the same techniques being used in the shots of the city referencing back to earlier in the film where Johann talks about seeing Anne and somehow "finding" her within the plethora of museum visitors and being interested in her, wanting to know her and not knowing why. it's not sexual - he's gay - it's really about making connections or finding a connection.

i was bowled over by this. i've not seen anything like it. really wonderful.

i lost my shoes on acid (jed_), Monday, 23 September 2013 23:24 (four years ago) Permalink

yes that's true but it's still boring a couple of times (i didn't mean every time, btw, far from it). it's true of his short work too, which i'd seen before i saw this, and is made up of just this sort of looking. there are always a few scenes which strike me as almost without value as if pulled at random from a day's cheap digital shooting.

zvookster, Tuesday, 24 September 2013 00:44 (four years ago) Permalink

what did u think of mmo'h in it?

zvookster, Tuesday, 24 September 2013 00:46 (four years ago) Permalink

I saw Museum Hours. I liked it quite a bit. It's true what zvookster says, about Jem Cohen's work being very much about this "looking." I don't know that he pulls his images at random, he's just someone who shoots a lot on his own, constantly, and creates a kind of personal archive of footage from which to pull shots from. I do think that stuff stands out in films like this or Chain, where he also uses actors, but it's his style and I like that he finds ways to expand what is obviously a very limited way of working. FWIW I think all the exterior/street stuff was shot on film, so maybe "cheap digital shooting" isn't really fair...

Chantal Anchorman (admrl), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 00:57 (four years ago) Permalink

movie is fine, many of Jem Cohen's past films also worthwhile (Benjamin Smoke, Chain; never saw the Fugazi doc) xp

MMO'H never seems to be acting, A-

Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 01:00 (four years ago) Permalink

zvook, i didn't mean to describe the film to you. i knew you got it perfectly well, i was just thinking it through for myself. there were 5-10 minutes or so when i thought it was too much and, yes, a little boring but he pulled it back since, of course, that's a major point of the film. I'm interested to see his other stuff.

i though MMO'H was astounding.

i lost my shoes on acid (jed_), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 02:15 (four years ago) Permalink

It hasn't aged too well, but "Lost Book Found" is on Vimeo:
http://vimeo.com/63141083

Chantal Anchorman (admrl), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 16:56 (four years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9rZyMRdwwg

vmajestic, Thursday, 3 July 2014 16:37 (four years ago) Permalink

Wonder if anyone's heard anything other than this from that Go Deo Chorus demo tape that got them/her signed...

vmajestic, Thursday, 3 July 2014 16:40 (four years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

I don't consider those tributes to Weill and Cohen, nor The Black Rider productions, to be "relative trifles." And if she thinks she said it all on one album, so be it, right or wrong. Wonder how many people keep cranking it out when they secretly feel that way, or should?

dow, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 18:50 (two years ago) Permalink

WOW I had no idea the album was recorded in 83 and 84!

Author should have mentioned her track on Gary Lucas Gods and Monsters, v memorable

scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 19:05 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

For some reason I heard this for the first time tonight - loved it. Lots of bits hanging at the edges throughout - whether that's a guitar, violin and the voice but there is so much to her voice I wouldn't reduce to that.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 13 June 2016 21:23 (two years ago) Permalink

My t-TAAAALE is TALLLLLL

scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Monday, 13 June 2016 21:54 (two years ago) Permalink

i never contributed to this thread. why? mmoh is one of my favourite singers, miss america one of my favourite albums. i wrote something about it some time ago in my old blog.

how i love those simple, to the point lyrics:

"But if our love is all for not
I'm still happy with what I've got
Not having you,
But keeping you in mind"

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 15:04 (two years ago) Permalink

For some reason I heard this for the first time tonight

― xyzzzz__, Monday, June 13, 2016 9:23 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm gobsmacked at this!

Pastoral Fantasy (jed_), Friday, 17 June 2016 02:57 (two years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

https://vimeo.com/147145241

Kibbutzki (Jaap Schip), Monday, 11 July 2016 21:44 (two years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

i just found a copy of Miss America on LP for a couple bucks stashed in the celtic music section at amoeba. incredible album.

nomar, Friday, 6 January 2017 19:06 (one year ago) Permalink

I was just thinking about MMOH last night because we finished watching The OA and I got some of the same feelings from it that I get from this album.

his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Friday, 6 January 2017 19:09 (one year ago) Permalink

my TAAAAALE is TAAAAAALLLLLL

his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 22:37 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

I'd forgotten about this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPtuYmYg8OU

djh, Friday, 24 March 2017 23:34 (one year ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

I didn't know this happened!

cwkiii, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 04:36 (six months ago) Permalink

wow...this first improv is something else

Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 17:59 (six months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Very very stoked. Just bought two tix to see her in June!

everything, Friday, 13 April 2018 19:51 (three months ago) Permalink

ohhhh!!!!

... (Eazy), Friday, 13 April 2018 20:03 (three months ago) Permalink

It's the "Beautiful Tool" combo who performed a handful of shows three years ago and I don't think anything since.

everything, Friday, 13 April 2018 20:32 (three months ago) Permalink

??Where is this happening??

when worlds collide I'll see you again (Jon not Jon), Friday, 13 April 2018 22:27 (three months ago) Permalink

Canada. At the Vancouver Jazz Festival. Tix were $28. A bargain imo.

everything, Friday, 13 April 2018 23:03 (three months ago) Permalink

Haha I just noticed she did "The Snake" - that thing that Trump performs from time to time.

everything, Friday, 13 April 2018 23:09 (three months ago) Permalink

Man so jealous

when worlds collide I'll see you again (Jon not Jon), Friday, 13 April 2018 23:25 (three months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Show was good. A few reservations but I enjoyed it a lot. It didn't blow minds or anything. It was unrehearsed and the band could've used more direction. The starts and ends of the songs were all ramshackle, much of it was improvised and they overplayed on most songs imo. There was one bit near the end when they did a great key change and I thought "fucksake-an arrangement!"

She herself forgot the words on dozens of occasions and barely two lines in a row were ever sung straight. It was like Liza Minnelli slipping back and forth between Ella-style focused scatting and Yoko Ono making whatever noises she's feeling in the moment. Followed by some whistling or whatever. Pretty amazing.

If I'd wandered in not knowing what it was I might have been racking my brains for what Shimmy Disc act might have reformed - the only previous time I saw a balloon used as a musical instrument was at a Eugene Chadbourne gig.

everything, Friday, 29 June 2018 05:41 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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