I feel so quick in my leather boots: poll of PSYCHOCANDY by THE JESUS AND MARY CHAIN

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OptionVotes
just like honey 18
never understand 17
taste of cindy 13
the hardest walk 11
you trip me up 6
the living end 5
something's wrong 5
my little underground 3
some candy talking 3
in a hole 3
cut dead 1
taste the floor 1
it's so hard 1
inside me 0
sowing seeds 0


subtle like the g in 'goole' (dayo), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:16 (nine years ago) link

it's so hard :(

(that's not a vote btw)

pissky in the jar (onimo), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:17 (nine years ago) link

I HATE YOU.

I told you not to do this.

Now what am I gonna do? I don't have enough socks to vote for them all!

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:17 (nine years ago) link

puns I thought about including in the title and deleted:

THE HARDEST POLL
IN A POLL
POLLING SEEDS
THE LIVING POLL

subtle like the g in 'goole' (dayo), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:18 (nine years ago) link

love this album

taste the floor or the hardest walk

Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:19 (nine years ago) link

In a Hole.

It always seemed like the pettiest, most mean-spirited, sleaziest song of theirs. No hint of beauty or splendour. It encapsulated the aura of early Mary Chain better than any of the singles, or any of the ballads.

ithappens, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:20 (nine years ago) link

I'll need to relisten. I got the JAMC albums in what I gather is a strange order for ILM: first Automatic, then Barbed Wire Kisses, Honey's Dead, Darklands, & only then Psychocandy. So for me Psychocandy is a kinda mid-career album. If I don't relisten I'm just going to vote for "Just Like Honey" & I want to be sure before being the obvious child.

Euler, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:21 (nine years ago) link

xp what! let's be honest, if upside down were on this album it would walk the rest

subtle like the g in 'goole' (dayo), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:21 (nine years ago) link

Actually, it's not so difficult. It's "Something Wrong" and it always has been. For the lazy drumbeat and the three-dimensional slabs of the guitar lead.

But Never Understand and My Little Underground and... oh fuck, the whole album is so special to me in so many ways.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:21 (nine years ago) link

Gut says one of Just Like Honey, Hardest Walk, Taste The Floor, Taste of Cindy, Never Understand, You Trip Me Up. Or maybe Sowing Seeds. Or Cut Dead. Yeah Cut Dead. Oh I don't know.

Some Candy Talking disqualified as it wasn't on the original album.

pissky in the jar (onimo), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:22 (nine years ago) link

...and those things that *sound* like strings but are probably actually more shards of glittering orchestral feedback or what at the end of Something's Wrong.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:24 (nine years ago) link

Some Candy Talking disqualified as it wasn't on the original album.

― pissky in the jar (onimo), Tuesday, September 14, 2010 11:22 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

egads - I followed the tracklisting from my itunes which I thought I had ripped from my rhino remaster of psychocandy, which according to amazon doesn't have some candy talking on it - but look there it is.

curious & curiouser

subtle like the g in 'goole' (dayo), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:27 (nine years ago) link

oh well, it'll be an excuse to have a 'purer' poll in a couple of years so we can rehash all the same arguments all over again

subtle like the g in 'goole' (dayo), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:28 (nine years ago) link

Something's Wrong might be a winner actually. Playing it in my head right now and it's clearly the down and dirty version of the Darklands poll winner 'Happy When It Rains'.

xp iirc Some Candy Talking was added when the CD came out in '86 but wasn't on the '85 vinyl.

pissky in the jar (onimo), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:28 (nine years ago) link

yeah I noticed that on the wiki page but I assumed the reissues were more faithful? idk

subtle like the g in 'goole' (dayo), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:30 (nine years ago) link

I used to have the 12" version of "Upside Down" you know.

Any road up, went for "It's so hard" because.

Mark G, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:30 (nine years ago) link

I see in HMV, there's a 'budget' box set of the first five albums, £13 to you guvnur.

Mark G, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:31 (nine years ago) link

Some Candy Talking on Psychocandy is just RONG. It totally disrupts the flow of the two sides of the album.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:33 (nine years ago) link

It is wrong. Yes.

Mark G, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:34 (nine years ago) link

I see in HMV, there's a 'budget' box set of the first five albums, £13 to you guvnur.

(HMV owned) Fopp had it for £10 recently, dunno if that's still the case.

xp KDT otm

pissky in the jar (onimo), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:34 (nine years ago) link

everybody just pretend it isn't there and watch this instead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2bzrCCKDwc

subtle like the g in 'goole' (dayo), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:35 (nine years ago) link

Yr right, it was Fopp.

Mark G, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:35 (nine years ago) link

My one piece of published writing: A J&MC article in Record Collector.

Mark G, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:36 (nine years ago) link

Also weird that Something's Wrong is the longest song on the album. Nothing outstays its welcome at all. So concise, so perfect.

Though It's So Hard is such a weird, ugly, twisted song to end on. But that was probably the point.

Oh wait, In A Hole just came on.

GOD SPITS ON MY SOUL, THERE'S SOMETHING DEAD IN MY HOLE, HOW COULD SOMETHING CRAWL WITHIN MY RUBBER HOLY BAKED BEAN TIN IT'S GOD TO ME IT'S GOD TO ME, IT IS HEART AND SOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLL OAIWERKLASLK LKSADJFLKASDJFLKLK ALKJALKSDFJ LASKDJFLKSDFJ (random Jim screaming rendered in keyboard squee)

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:37 (nine years ago) link

If I go bald in my old age, I blame this record for the abuse to my follicles.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:38 (nine years ago) link

"Cut dead, Jim's messed up boy
Dut n'dut n'dut n'dut n'dut ..."

is how Frank Sinatra would have sung it too...

Mark G, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:39 (nine years ago) link

I just went on last.fm to see how often some of these were played and spotted an ILxor scrobbling Something's Wrong :)

pissky in the jar (onimo), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:40 (nine years ago) link

Taste of Cindy -> Never Understand = I have never in my life leapt up so quickly to turn a record over.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:40 (nine years ago) link

The Living End, all the way

Zeno, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:40 (nine years ago) link

I just went on last.fm to see how often some of these were played and spotted an ILxor scrobbling Something's Wrong :)

PWND.

That would be me, yes.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:41 (nine years ago) link

Picky detail ahoy:

"Taste of Cindy" came out on a magazine freebie e.p. some time before the album.

It has a split second intake of breath before the song starts.

It's the one thing I would complain about the album: That split second was like the one in "I heard her call my name" and it's MISSING!!!

Mark G, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:42 (nine years ago) link

Argh spotify ads, I hate you. You have interrupted my Jim Reid screaming pleasure.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:44 (nine years ago) link

side note: have any other dudes in history pulled off the carrot top haircut so successfully?

subtle like the g in 'goole' (dayo), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:44 (nine years ago) link

None of them were ginger?

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:44 (nine years ago) link

I used to borrow my dad's car at weekends, and one time I was looking for the cassette of this.

I eventually found it, on the back parcel shelf.

He could have just placed it in the glove compartment, but no.

Mark G, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:44 (nine years ago) link

(Yeah, I know, very unusual to have 4 spotty scots lads in a room and none of them be ginger, but none of them were.)

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:45 (nine years ago) link

People these days are too lazy to wait till an album finishes - the popularity of the Psychocandy tracks reads like the track listing. Just Like Honey dwarfs everything else by miles though.

http://www.last.fm/music/The+Jesus+and+Mary+Chain/+tracks

pissky in the jar (onimo), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:45 (nine years ago) link

I meant more of the 'sprouting from the top of the head, short on the sides' look xxxp

subtle like the g in 'goole' (dayo), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:45 (nine years ago) link

you know...like how a carrot looks when it's in the ground

subtle like the g in 'goole' (dayo), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:46 (nine years ago) link

onimo, could be the lost in translation OST skewing things iirc.

Fartbritz Sootzveti (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:47 (nine years ago) link

voted NEVER UNDERSTAND fwiw

Fartbritz Sootzveti (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:47 (nine years ago) link

That's more pineapple than carrot.

(But that said, Daniel Ash was the one and only Pineapple God and there will never be another. But his was special because it was a pineapple mullet)

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:47 (nine years ago) link

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YSqKnJvl0Eo/R_I3i4BduJI/AAAAAAAAArU/AwqfYDQg1V0/s400/jesus-mary-chain.jpg

who you callin a fuckin carrot top?

xp good point Steve (fucking loved that song kicking in in Lost in Translation in the cinema)

pissky in the jar (onimo), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:48 (nine years ago) link

I honestly cannot choose. what a mighty album, great from start to finish.

mc banhammer (Pashmina), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:49 (nine years ago) link

This thread could really do with some more pictures, TBH

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_hg-IOKPUrlY/S603k-YuomI/AAAAAAAAASI/JESX_FFMihk/s1600/The%2BJesus%2Band%2BMary%2BChain.jpg

aaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwww

I cannot believe they actually got them to pose so sweetly for long enough to take a picture before they went back to pulling each others' hair out.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:58 (nine years ago) link

"The Hardest Walk" for me, but there's not really a bad song in the bunch.

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 16:05 (nine years ago) link

I actually don't like this album much. I lose interest after Taste the Floor, which is really good & what I'm voting for.

rotting-month story (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 16:09 (nine years ago) link

After listening to Never Understand just now, I like how it kind of reminds me of Surfer Rosa, so that's cool.

rotting-month story (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 16:10 (nine years ago) link

Bobby Gillespie's haircut in the Never Understand vid is the single best thing he has ever been involved with in more than 25 years in music.

ithappens, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 16:35 (nine years ago) link

True.

No, actually, it's only the second best thing, after his trousers in the Just Like Honey video.

cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 16:37 (nine years ago) link

never understand 17

that was one of my favourite songs when i was 17

The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:11 (eight years ago) link

if you'd heard this album at 17 and it wasn't one yr favourite songs, shame on you

The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:12 (eight years ago) link

some candy talking 3

dang, that could have been 3 votes for some of the other songs, sorry guys

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile (dayo), Friday, 1 October 2010 01:38 (eight years ago) link

nah one of them was me

Bougre de crème d'emplâtre à la graisse de hérisson (remy bean), Friday, 1 October 2010 01:40 (eight years ago) link

I'm not sure what kind of math you'd use to measure this, but the distribution of those votes would seem to indicate a very deep album. Not only does every song but two register votes, the four at the top are all in double-digits and over 10%. I don't recall any comparable results for as long as I've been voting in these--any other LPs poll similarly?

clemenza, Friday, 1 October 2010 01:58 (eight years ago) link

taste the floor 1

So underrated ^^

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Friday, 1 October 2010 02:32 (eight years ago) link

did you vote for that?

The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Friday, 1 October 2010 02:46 (eight years ago) link

This is among my top ten "Albums I should love but for some inexplicable reason I don't". I mean, "Just Like Honey" is awesome but the rest just never clicked. Maybe the distortion-for-distions-sake never sat well with me. This poll has inspired me to try again, though.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 1 October 2010 03:30 (eight years ago) link

I'm trying to listen to other music but everytime this thread gets bumped I want to listen to this and only this

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile (dayo), Friday, 1 October 2010 03:34 (eight years ago) link

not enough votes for "my little underground" but otherwise unimpeachable results

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 1 October 2010 03:37 (eight years ago) link

only 5 votes for Something's Wrong? wow that is a crime

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 1 October 2010 08:13 (eight years ago) link

Is there an account anywhere of the actual recording process of Psychocandy? I've just listened again to Never Understand and the sheer density of the feedback must have needed some pretty radical production decisions. Assuming it was recorded on 16 Track (24 track tops, surely) half the tracks must have been devoted to feedback.

Officer Pupp, Friday, 1 October 2010 08:34 (eight years ago) link

Someone back in the day used to produce a "fan" "Magazine", i.e. loads of photocopied a4 sheets (about 200 per publication) of clippings, etc. Some of those etc was the track-log sheets frm the recording sessions (i.e. track1=guitar, track2=drums, track3=etc) with who plauyed what.

Mark G, Friday, 1 October 2010 09:44 (eight years ago) link

Wow Inside Me is one of my fave songs on this and 0 votes! Don't think I actually voted on this so I only have myself to blame.

SB'd Lost In Translation btw

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 1 October 2010 10:06 (eight years ago) link

That's exactly the thing I meant Mark. I tried a quick google search, but if it's there at all, it's going to take some finding.

Officer Pupp, Friday, 1 October 2010 10:32 (eight years ago) link

Is there an account anywhere of the actual recording process of Psychocandy?

There's not a lot out there for pre-Internet non-canon albums - might take a bit of research to find anything.

John Loder was the sound engineer - he has a rich history of working with bands who cram lots of noise into small spaces (Crass, Big Black, Ministry, Fugazi, Shellac).

meta the devil you know (onimo), Friday, 1 October 2010 10:54 (eight years ago) link

I didn't realise John Loder had engineered it, that makes sense. The band themselves are credited as producers aren't they? That's from memory, I'm not near my copies of the album.

Officer Pupp, Friday, 1 October 2010 11:40 (eight years ago) link

The late John Loder, jeez, I hadn't realised he'd died.

Officer Pupp, Friday, 1 October 2010 11:41 (eight years ago) link

I remember a number of the tracks had "Drums: John" so..

Mark G, Friday, 1 October 2010 11:50 (eight years ago) link

.. It cound be John Moore, or it could mean Loder. I dunno. I think it's quite some time before Moore was their drummer, but then ...

Mark G, Friday, 1 October 2010 11:51 (eight years ago) link

are you saying bobby g wasnae a good enough drummer? heaven forfend!

The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Friday, 1 October 2010 11:55 (eight years ago) link

John Moore did some of the drums but it was mostly Bobby Gillespie.

Not mentioned here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychocandy but here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jesus_and_Mary_Chain
it says

Drummer Gillespie announced his departure from the band in October 1985, to concentrate on Primal Scream.[31] He had recorded most of the drums on Psychocandy, with John Moore filling in when Gillespie was unavailable, eventually joining the band to replace him.[32] John Loder also acted as a stand-in drummer when Gillespie was unavailable for live performances.[33]

meta the devil you know (onimo), Friday, 1 October 2010 11:57 (eight years ago) link

Well, there you go then. I knew this before Wikipedia was invented.

I'd find these sheets if:

1) I had the time,
2) I knew where they were. or even knew if I still had them or not.

Mark G, Friday, 1 October 2010 12:00 (eight years ago) link

Even the tracks with 0 votes are A+++++.

Spencer Chow, Friday, 1 October 2010 18:32 (eight years ago) link

AND IT'S COLD OUTSIDE

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile (dayo), Sunday, 3 October 2010 13:14 (eight years ago) link

and it's cold outside

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile (dayo), Sunday, 3 October 2010 13:14 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

so i'm playing the remastered version of this album for the first time tonight. absolutely blown away, like one of the best albums ever released blown away. WOW

Bee OK, Thursday, 29 March 2012 04:42 (seven years ago) link

these remastered versions of Jesus and Mary Chain albums are so amazing to hear.

Bee OK, Thursday, 29 March 2012 04:44 (seven years ago) link

Keep forgetting about these. Is Honey's Dead out and worth getting?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 8 April 2012 17:15 (seven years ago) link

they were all released together afaik, sept 2011. amazon.co.uk has copies of HD.

koogs, Sunday, 8 April 2012 17:23 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

good news, nostalgic pensioners!

Tributes as popular Lichfield cat dies (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 09:11 (five years ago) link

this actually sounds really awesome

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 09:12 (five years ago) link

only going to go if they have meat whiplash as support

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 09:23 (five years ago) link

And Doug and Bobby back in the band..

Mark G, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 09:57 (five years ago) link

And, heck, Murray too for old times sake..

Mark G, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 09:58 (five years ago) link

Do I have to drink a litre of Merrydown in the queue outside the Barras to complete the full nostalgia package?

pick it up for ripple laser (onimo), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 10:09 (five years ago) link

that would be fun but i would like to hear more than just this album.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 15:36 (five years ago) link

Lead singer Jim Reid said in a statement (via NME), “Psychocandy was meant to be a kick in the teeth to all of those who stood in our way at the time, which was practically the whole music industry. In 1985 there were a great many people who predicted no more than a six month life span for The Mary Chain. to celebrate the approaching 30th anniversary of the album, we would like to perform it in its entirety. We will also perform key songs from that period that did not feature on the album.”

Wish/Grant

Mark G, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 16:08 (five years ago) link

You do realise they would play for 30 to 45 mins back then?

And that was when things were going well...

Mark G, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 16:09 (five years ago) link

Do I have to drink a litre of Merrydown in the queue outside the Barras to complete the full nostalgia package?

I have decided this will be done. Silver top, none of yer sweet gold top shite.

Looks like it sold out in minutes. Weird how doing fuck all and/or being rubbish for decades makes you more popular.

pick it up for ripple laser (onimo), Friday, 16 May 2014 10:53 (five years ago) link

iirc the last round of london gigs got merged together, 2 dates collapsed into 1, which i assumed was due to low ticket sales at the time.

just had a look and they were no tickets available. but GetMeIn could 'get me in' for ~£50 (half the glasgow price)

koogs, Friday, 16 May 2014 11:29 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

Was "Just Like Honey" a well known alternative rock hipster signifier before Lost in Translation or did it become so after? Danish national "alternative music" station P6 must play it a couple times a week and it seems like such a hollow gesture.

They also have stuff like "Lust for Life" on repeat, which it's a great song but maybe should not be applied every day I dunno.

niels, Thursday, 16 July 2015 10:51 (four years ago) link

It depends on which side of the pond you are. UK, well before. USA .. someone?

Mark G, Thursday, 16 July 2015 16:09 (four years ago) link

it was pretty known (number 2 in the Festive Fifty, got to number 45 in the charts etc) but not mega known. the film definitely put it on the radar of your Gen Y types.

piscesx, Thursday, 16 July 2015 16:43 (four years ago) link

i saw the Psychocandy gig at The Roundhouse last week; incredible sound and Miki of Lush fame was on backing vox for ..Honey once again.

piscesx, Thursday, 16 July 2015 16:47 (four years ago) link

Eye-opening pics in this thread. I had no idea these guys had such terrible 80s hair.

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 16 July 2015 16:52 (four years ago) link

I was just going to ask if anyone had seen them on the current tour. I saw one of 2007 reunion shows and was pretty disappointed, but I'd give them another chance if the reports are good.

early rejecter, Thursday, 16 July 2015 16:56 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

Gonna see them on Friday.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 29 September 2015 23:00 (three years ago) link

Seeing them this evening!

kwhitehead, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 15:34 (three years ago) link


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