Blue Note. Classic Or Dud?

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Or Hard Bop/Soul Jazz vs Free/Avant Garde?

Ian, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Dud mostly. The less rhythmic propulsion a track has, the more likely the track title will be an intransitive verb with a dropped 'g'.

dave q, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic! Anyone who was anyone was on Blue Note. ANy other good jazz labels out there? I heard Impulse was a really good label.

Tim, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Lots of gd recs, lots of 'filler'. Classic for the cover art, of course, slightly dud for the dry 'Blue Note' studio sound which tends to make every alb sound a bit same-y.

Andrew L, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Never met a Blue Note album I didn't like. Oh wait, Donald Byrd's "A New Perspective", which despite a great lineup (Herbie, Hank Mobley, Kenny Burrell) sounds dreadful due to the MOR choir singing "doo doo doo" most of the time. You probably don't need very many Jimmy Smith albums but none of them are bad.

The "Blue Note != Avant Garde" equation doesn't really work - OK, there was a lot of relatively conservative (but excellent) Blakey/Morgan/Silver/Henderson hard bop, but also Ornette, Dolphy, Wayne Shorter, Andrew Hill, Herbie Hancock's "straight" jazz albums (e.g. Empyrean Isles, Inventions and Dimensions).

The Monk, JJ Johnson and Bud Powell sets from the late forties and early fifties are classics in the true sense.

Andrew Norman, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Cecil Taylor's "Unit Structures" was on Blue Note, and Wayne Shorter's "Night Dreamer" is excellent as well. The fifties/sixties hard-bop stuff is unfortunately the soundtrack for people who only like jazz to be as offensive or challenging as Starbucks, but that should not be held against the original artists or their music, which is quite nice, but not my cup of tea.

Regarding the Starbucks reference above, I was once relectantly forced to enter (nevermind all the rhetoric regarding homogenization of landscape, commodification, etc... I don't like their coffee) and I saw on the wall a framed LP cover. The album was "blue Trane" and the frame was for sale... but there was no music included... the perfect way to gain credibility with all your vapid yuppie friends without having to listen to something good that might jolt you out of your consumerist reverie... or maybe you have the CD, and like the cover... one or the other. ;-)

Aaron G!, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't mean to insinuate that hard-bop isn't challenging or worthwile music, just that it has been associated with a certain context. Hard-bop sounds like what jazz post-swing is supposed to sound like in the minds of many, and that can cause the music to be misperceived. As I understand it, Hard-Bop was a reaction to the perceived artiness of bop. That is why hard-bop has more obvious references to the blues and to early r&b/groove music (i.e. more traditionally "black" elements of music). This makes the music seem more accessible, and therefore doesn't force the undedicated listener to engage with the music with the same concentration or dedication that the breakneck pace of bop demands, even though good hard-bop is worthy of the attention.

Aaron G!, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I have a good sized handful of blue note albums and most of them don't come close to the hard bop stereotype I always hear about. (point being not that the stereotype has no basis in fact, but that there are plenty of blue note records that don't fit it.)

Josh, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

and yes I know that's already been said, basically.

in particular I had in mind the freddie hubbard I've heard.

Josh, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

One of these "deconstructionist" types really ought to do an album called _Fuckin'_.

Clarke B., Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that when you are in some podunk town, or the south, or some country where real coffee isn't popular, Starbucks can be a godsend. Sure it's not the best coffee around, but vastly preferable to dunkin donuts or convenience store coffee...

g, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Blue Note should get some props for the RVG reissues, which sound pretty good, bonus tracks and good liner notes, and are cheap too. There are oh so many jazz CDs that need to be remastered. Verve also does a pretty good job with this.

g, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I am sure that Starbucks can be a godsend for those who can't find better where they live, but I can. I should have mentioned that the Starbucks I was referring to was in Boston, where better coffee can certainly be found. I was really criticizing those who go to Starbucks because they want to play at being bohemian. If you, or anyone else for that matter, simply like the coffee, then by all means, drink. ;-}

As for blue note reissues, they do a good job except that they sometimes have the alternate takes in the middle, which sucks, and some of their reissues are part of a series called conniessuer (sp?) and are hard to find. I have been looking to find Pete La Roca Sims' "Basra" for a long time with no success.

Aaron G!, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
I really can't account for my banal and snippy comments regarding starbucks! This thread should survive despite me, or at least, what I said over the summer.

Blue Note, in its original operative stages, was easily classic, and it remained as such until the late 60s. During the early and mid 60s, Blue Note carefully balanced its output between hard bop/soul jazz, and avant garde music. Towards the late 60s, the label started to emphasize the former at the the expense of the latter, and their timing could not have been further off the mark, as avant garde jazz grew slightly more popular during the heyday of the "counterculture".

From what I understand, certain periods in the 70s and 80s saw Blue Note either closed or in the hands of indifferent parent labels, or just reeling from corporate mergers.

I am not sure what year Blue Note came back completely, but since then, it is seemingly doing quite well. The Norah Jones album has helped a lot, and, even though many hardcore jazzheads might not like Norah Jones, her album finances reissues of old classics.

That being said, I do have a few gripes, but they are mostly due to the marketplace, and not gripes with Blue Note itself. The marekt right now is for hard bop, and a lot of brilliant releases are sitting in the blue note archives because they are not commercial enough. For instance, I love "Point of Departure" by Andrew Hill, but his other realeases have not been given recent remasters or re-releases, save for the Conn. editions of *some* of his albums, which are limited releases that go out of print quickly, and are quite expensive at arount $17 versus the Rudy Van Gelder remasters, which sell for aroun $11-12.

Other great inside-outside (meaning usually hard-bop influenced by modal music and avant garde playing) artists besides from the Blue Note catalog are Joe Henderson, Sam Rivers, Lee Morgan, Jackie McClean, Bobby Hutcherson, and Grachan Moncur III. Most of these artists are more famous for their more straightforward sessions, but they could all play convincingly in freer styles.

Among those artists listed, the degree to which their albums are available varies widely. Joe Henderson's 4 releases for BN during the sixties are all available, whereas none of Sam Rivers' are. Lee Morgan's Hard Bop records are mostly all available, while his more advanced recording can be more difficult to find. This applies to Jackie McClean, Bobby Hutcherson and Andrew Hill as well, though the latter two recorded less hard bop material, I think (since so many of these realeases are unavailable, I am going by what limited amounts I have heard and the reviews I have read.

Grachan Moncur III only released a couple of dates as a leader, both are supposed to be amazing, but both are difficult to track down. "Evolution" has not been released recently, except as an expensive Japanese import, and "Some Other Stuff" was released as a Conn. edition, and is now out of print. Mosaic, the specialty division of Blue Note, is planning on releasing these two albums, along with some McClean material, as a box set under Moncur's name. The box will be limited addition, and, if I remember correctly, will be only available through Mosaic for its first year of existence. This highlights some of the problems of jazz reissue programs.

Mosaic, for those who don't know, is a jazz label that specializes in very thorough re-releases of classic material in box form. In many cases, the complete output of a particular artist for a paticular label is released, with all tracks in order of session recording. All of Mosaic's outpt is limited edition. This is very frustrating, as the out-of-print boxes can command very high prices on the used market. When two factors, the expense of the used box sets, the out of print status of the single-disc albums, combine, the frustration of being a jazz lover intensifies. In the case of Sam Rivers, for instance, the Mosaic box is har to find, and, as I said, NONE of his Bleu Note albums are in print! Going back to the Moncur box, my frustration with a project like that (and this sometimes applies to other Mosaic boxes) is that I don't like situations in which albums originally released as being under the leadership of one artist are transeferred to the leadership of another. I would be much happier if McLean's dates stayed as his.

The Mosaic boxes and Blue Note Connoisseur editions, whether on purpose or inadvertanly, work to reinforce the idea of jazz as an elitist music. Even though the quality of the repackaging is increidbly high, easily equaling any reissue program extant, these special editions end up serving as gimmicks, as they work solely to work fanatics into a state of anxiousness, and don't even bother engaging with the casual or intermediate listener. As a result, a wall is created between casual and deadicated listeners, and the sales of those records never increases, as there only seem to be enough copies of any given title to satisfy the deadicated.

I realize the realities of business in contemporary society, and I know that it would be difficult and expensive for Blue Note and other labels to keep more of their titles in print, but even with all of my complaints, I remain patient and optimistic.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Friday, 24 January 2003 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link

but vastly preferable to dunkin donuts

I grew up in CT, so I am very familiar with Dunkin Donuts coffee, sadly unavailable here in SF. It may be the greatest ever. And so addictive it may as well be liquid crack. People that visually compare the cheap, old-school Dunkin Donuts stores to the luxe of Starbucks or (the admitedly good) Peets would probably dismiss Dunkin Donuts coffee out of hand before tasting it... and that may be a good thing. Once you've had it you're hooked. Can anyone in the orbit of a Dunkin Donuts confirm this please!

Also, Impulse is a good label.

Sean (Sean), Friday, 24 January 2003 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

A Blue Note title needs to sell 500 copies a year to remain in print. The fact that so many titles cannot even manage that is a pretty good indicator of the problems facing the jazz reissue market.

TMFTML
http://intonation.blogspot.com

TMFTML (TMFTML), Friday, 24 January 2003 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Is it 500? Where did you read that? (Just wondering.)

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Friday, 24 January 2003 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link

The five hundred figure was provided on the Blue Note Bulletin Board by Tom Evered, Senior V.P./General Manager of Blue Note.

TMFTML (TMFTML), Friday, 24 January 2003 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...
Im surprised that albums cant manage that. Its a real shame so many albums are out of print. But many albums havent even been released on cd, so they havent even had a chance to sell 500.

Jamie, Tuesday, 29 April 2003 06:25 (seventeen years ago) link

has anyone tried some sort of initiative whereby a list of "endangered" albums is put up,so that if you're thinking of buying an album but have a few choices,you could see if one needs sales to stay in print,or something along those lines?
just a thought
anyway,the only blue note album i know well is blue train,which i love

what are the best known hard bop albums?
i'm not entirely sure what is meant by it

robin (robin), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 11:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Undeniably Classic. Even if they were occasionally puritanical, they shaped much of the hard bop sound and image.

christoff (christoff), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 12:09 (seventeen years ago) link

some more thoughts:
first off, anyone looking to get a list of Conn. Cds must hunt around the net. I emailed Blue Note, and that is what they told me. The bulletin board on the site used to be a good source of information, but, the alst time I checked, it was down. They seem to have laid off those who were in charge of running it, which may, unfortunatly, mean that Jones' success is not helping them at all (ie all the money is going to the parent company).
My advice is to go to the blue note webiste (www.bluenote.com) and follow the links to "True Blue Music", which is an online retailer associated with BN and Mosaic. If you follow the link to their Conn. section, you should get a good idea of what BN titles will be gone soon. There is a section on the BN website that lists all of the RVG titles, which, for the most part, are excellent.

Some worthwhile releases in the RVG series:
Hard Bop, Soul Bop, Post-Bop (advanced non-avant garde):
Lee Morgan, The Sidewinder
Art Blakey, Moanin' (the absolute classic Hard Bop record!)
Wayne Shorter, Speak No Evil
McCoy Tyner, Real McCoy
Sonny Rollins, Night at the Village Vanguard (2CD)
Miles Davis, Volumes 1 & 2
Hank Mobley, Soul Station

Inside-Outside:
Andrew Hill, Point of Departure
Eric Dophy, Out to Lunch
Bobby Hutcherson, Dialogue

There are many more great releases, but these will all serve as good introductions, I think, and they are ALL RVG, so all are affordable and recently remastered.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Blue Note bulletin board was shut down, I think, because there was a lot of pro/anti war argument on there in the month or two prior to the invasion of Iraq. A victim of the closing down of American public free speech, as well as market forces (I don't think a jazz bulletin board is the right forum for that sort of thing, but Blue Note couldn't afford financially to moderate it).

Andrew Norman, Tuesday, 29 April 2003 16:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Just got "Complete Communion" by cherry last weekend, and it is very very good. It is a Conn., so it may be OOP soon.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

eight years pass...

dave q so off the mark as usual

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 23 August 2011 17:09 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

The Blue Note Spotify App might be the greatest thing ever. Wow. You can view every album they ever released in an "itunes" style album cover flow, and obviously listen to them all...seeing all that music in sequence is just staggering, plus all the great album art...also they ahve good bio info and session info for each one.

damn.

the best Laid jams (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 21 September 2012 16:13 (eight years ago) link

sorry i know it's just a spotify app but i get so used to taking technology for granted and then every once in a while it hits me like I HAVE UNLIMITED ACCESS TO EVERY FUCKING BLUE NOTE ALBUM EVER RELEASED WITH ART WORK AND INFO???? fucking christ

the best Laid jams (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 21 September 2012 16:16 (eight years ago) link

i mean what, god a $50K record collection probably?

the best Laid jams (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 21 September 2012 16:16 (eight years ago) link

i'll have to check it out, sounds fun.
original question or this thread seems a little off-base "Or Hard Bop/Soul Jazz vs Free/Avant Garde?"
Blue Note was pretty supportive of the avant garde in the mid 60s -- andrew hill, dolphy, hutcherson, henderson, tony williams. i mean, they were doing those releases at the same time as the sidewinder or whatevs, but they weren't ignoring the more progressive stuff.

tylerw, Friday, 21 September 2012 16:18 (eight years ago) link

also blue note existed before free jazz even existed so i don't see why it's being set up as a battle.......

the best Laid jams (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 21 September 2012 16:45 (eight years ago) link

that rules! do they give u an option for mono?

69, Friday, 21 September 2012 16:47 (eight years ago) link

wow this app thingy is great

look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Friday, 21 September 2012 16:47 (eight years ago) link

yeah it's amazing

haha don't think they have a mono button....could you do that through your computer sound settings or maybe spotify?

the best Laid jams (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 21 September 2012 16:48 (eight years ago) link

listening to a cecil taylor free jazz record on this app right now! take that!

the best Laid jams (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 21 September 2012 16:50 (eight years ago) link

is that the same? i thought they were mixed differently, not just channel-shunted...

ANYWAY WHOCARES THIS IS REALLY COOL!

69, Friday, 21 September 2012 16:51 (eight years ago) link

sometimes i think it's a little silly to get all label fetish-y but then i see a bunch of blue notes and they're like these beautiful objects.

tylerw, Friday, 21 September 2012 16:51 (eight years ago) link

yeah just browsing thru the album art in order is kind of a cool way to see the evolution of graphic design from the late 30s thru the 60s....though it gets kind of dispiriting in the late 70s, just turns to shit for a long time....

the best Laid jams (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 21 September 2012 16:53 (eight years ago) link

yeah there should probably be a thread for unfortunate 70s jazz album art.

tylerw, Friday, 21 September 2012 16:54 (eight years ago) link

my recs for y'all:
unit structures
conquistador!
compulsion!!!
out to lunch (DUH)
evolution
some other stuff
destination OUT
NOW!
empyrean isles
components (side 2)
point of departure
of love and peace
contrasts
UNITY
right now!
time for tyner
all three don cherrys
expansions

69, Friday, 21 September 2012 16:56 (eight years ago) link

unit structures
^the very record i am listening to

the best Laid jams (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 21 September 2012 16:57 (eight years ago) link

yeah Larry Young - UNITY is super awesome. Ornette's Blue Note stuff is great too! At least those Golden Circle recs are up there with his best stuff.

tylerw, Friday, 21 September 2012 16:57 (eight years ago) link

Into Somethin' is great, too: Larry, Elvin, Grant Green, and (!) Sam Rivers. Oh yeah, and Sam's Fucshia Swing Song is unbelievable.

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 21 September 2012 17:11 (eight years ago) link

And Bobby Hutcherson's Dialogue and Joe Henderson's Our Thing and and and and

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 21 September 2012 17:12 (eight years ago) link

<3 dialogue yeah

b-side of components is all these DARK UNMOORED amazing joe chambers compositions -- i highly recommend that shit

69, Friday, 21 September 2012 17:22 (eight years ago) link

compulsion is one of the craziest fukn albums ever too -- thats a pretty good counterexample to the "blue note is boring" trope

69, Friday, 21 September 2012 17:24 (eight years ago) link

i'm still trying to get my head around those andrew hill records.

tylerw, Friday, 21 September 2012 17:26 (eight years ago) link

cecil mcbee, john gilmore, and like, everyone is so ANGRY-SOUNDING!

69, Friday, 21 September 2012 17:27 (eight years ago) link

oh and BREAKING POINT thats a good one!

my friend told me that basically every 60s record that james spaulding appears on is worth hearing. havent heard em all yet, but he's batting 1000 so far...

69, Friday, 21 September 2012 17:30 (eight years ago) link

man im so glad u revived this m@tt!

69, Friday, 21 September 2012 17:31 (eight years ago) link

me too!

listening to Unity by Larry Young...this is great...feels kinda like Miles in the Sky but I've never really liked Miles in the Sky because it feels kinda remote and lifeless to me.

the best Laid jams (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 21 September 2012 17:33 (eight years ago) link

this is better

the best Laid jams (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 21 September 2012 17:33 (eight years ago) link

agreed!

larry young took a couple listens for me, tbh, cause the b3 has a certain aesthetic context that im feelin at the moment, but of love and peace brought it back for me on the strength of two drummers!

69, Friday, 21 September 2012 17:37 (eight years ago) link

i'm still trying to get my head around those andrew hill records.

Hill could do no wrong. I think you can still get the Mosaic Select set of his which is all unreleased Blue Note-era stuff, and features him with a string quartet, playing the organ, and playing soprano saxophone. Very nearly as good as his best Blue Note records.

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 21 September 2012 17:37 (eight years ago) link

wowowowow this is on my list now but yeesh http://collectorsfrenzy.com/details/110467186572

69, Friday, 21 September 2012 17:45 (eight years ago) link

never gotten a mosaic box, but i want the andrew, grachan, and jackie mclean ones

69, Friday, 21 September 2012 17:45 (eight years ago) link

I'm 97% sure all the Hill stuff on that box is available on the individual CDs now. All the albums were eventually reissued once the box went out of print.

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 21 September 2012 18:29 (eight years ago) link

whoa thank you for bringing this to my attention

the breakbeats section!

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 21 September 2012 18:40 (eight years ago) link

yeah, spotify has generally opened up a lot of new 60s blue note material for me, because back when I was in my first phase of fiending for that stuff it was pretty much whatever limited reissues were available at the time. Lately I've been catching up on all the Jackie McLean and Andrew Hill stuff.

look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Friday, 21 September 2012 19:23 (eight years ago) link

ATM I'm listening to Judgment!

look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Friday, 21 September 2012 19:23 (eight years ago) link

I love hearing Elvin Jones on Blue Note since I'm mostly used to his sound on Impulse -- it's so much wetter and bigger here.

look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Friday, 21 September 2012 19:24 (eight years ago) link

It is! Ditto Tony Williams Blue Note vs. Columbia.

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 21 September 2012 19:26 (eight years ago) link

man but tony on columbia (and verve) is no sucker either

69, Friday, 21 September 2012 19:30 (eight years ago) link

None of those guys sound bad on any label (Roy Haynes too). But I love the 60s Blue Note sound.

look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Friday, 21 September 2012 19:31 (eight years ago) link

Weird that Elvin sounds different on Blue Note than on Impulse; same engineer, same studio.

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 21 September 2012 19:34 (eight years ago) link

idk, maybe it was Alfred Lion's influence?

look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Friday, 21 September 2012 19:38 (eight years ago) link

Possibly...but maybe playing with Trane necessitated different mic placement or something.

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 21 September 2012 19:54 (eight years ago) link

there are a lot of blue note LPs available on reissues in the 10-12 dollar range, anyone know how the vinyl sounds? is it crap?

omar little, Friday, 21 September 2012 19:57 (eight years ago) link

Possibly...but maybe playing with Trane necessitated different mic placement or something.

― 5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, September 21, 2012 7:54 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^my thought too

omar, the new reissues are either scorpio (so shitty) or the insane 2LP $80 list price special remasters of just a few records. for my money, the older the better, but i like all the pressings through the end of the 70s. some ppl probably swear by the DMMs, too, but i like it a little warmer...

69, Friday, 21 September 2012 21:04 (eight years ago) link

yeah i had 'unity' on LP and was disappointed, so it was probably a scorpio reissue. i see 'point of departure' and 'out to lunch' and other classic joints in the $10 range, i should probably just dig around for older pressings.

omar little, Friday, 21 September 2012 21:10 (eight years ago) link

ill keep my eyes peeled for you -- i generally buy anything cheap and pre-80s on blue note, either to keep or sell. ill come to you first :)

69, Friday, 21 September 2012 21:12 (eight years ago) link

The Spotify app was developed by my friend's company; he's super chuffed at all the feedback. Not a jazz fan, though!

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 21 September 2012 21:14 (eight years ago) link

thank u sir, see you on 'desperately selling'~

omar little, Friday, 21 September 2012 21:16 (eight years ago) link

my recs for y'all:
unit structures
conquistador!
compulsion!!!
out to lunch (DUH)
evolution
some other stuff
destination OUT
NOW!
empyrean isles
components (side 2)
point of departure
of love and peace
contrasts
UNITY
right now!
time for tyner
all three don cherrys
expansions

― 69, Friday, September 21, 2012 12:56 PM (4 hours ago)

This looks like a poem

Evan, Friday, 21 September 2012 21:16 (eight years ago) link

Like William Shatner and some bongos poetry

Evan, Friday, 21 September 2012 21:18 (eight years ago) link

Possibly...but maybe playing with Trane necessitated different mic placement or something.

― 5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, September 21, 2012 7:54 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It could be that, but I remember reading that the Lions were kind of particular about their sound, and other drummers sound bigger and wetter on Blue Note too. Still, it would make sense that drumming would need to be slightly drier to leave space for coltrane. Not that the impulse sound is dry, but it's a little more controlled than Blue Note.

look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Friday, 21 September 2012 21:41 (eight years ago) link

yeah i imagine van gelder would adjust his engineering style slightly depending on whether it was bob thiele / creed taylor / alfred lion in the studio. i think those guys probably all had different conceptions of what a jazz LP should sound like.

tylerw, Friday, 21 September 2012 21:54 (eight years ago) link

The Spotify app was developed by my friend's company; he's super chuffed at all the feedback. Not a jazz fan, though!

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Friday, September 21, 2012 5:14 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The app gives me hope for what the streaming experience can be in a post-physical-album world.

look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Friday, 21 September 2012 22:15 (eight years ago) link

Yeah this is the most bad-ass thing. I haven't ever even clicked on a spotify app or cared about any of it. This is v eye opening.

Nickelback of folk (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Friday, 21 September 2012 23:07 (eight years ago) link

this is the best one i've seen by a large margin

another one i'd recommend -- and it's way more "homemade" seeming than this -- is Ulysses' Classical...just because he makes really cool playlists and blog posts...but it's more Spotify playlist enabled blog within spotify than something as ambitious as the Blue Note one

jalapeno kloppers (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 21 September 2012 23:16 (eight years ago) link

i think those guys probably all had different conceptions of what a jazz LP should sound like.

I learned yesterday that Sun Ship wasn't recorded at Van Gelder's studio (or engineered by Van Gelder), and nothing in its' sound suggests otherwise. So yeah, I guess Thiele had more to do with the sound of the records than I'd previously thought (because I previously thought he left it entirely up to Van Gelder).

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 21 September 2012 23:20 (eight years ago) link

Cool, will check that xp. Thanks.

Nickelback of folk (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Friday, 21 September 2012 23:52 (eight years ago) link

gentlemen: the Spotify app in question is neither available on the app store nor findable on my ipad--what am I doing wrong?

theStalePrince, Saturday, 22 September 2012 02:14 (eight years ago) link

Here you go:

http://open.spotify.com/app/bluenote

誤訳侮辱, Saturday, 22 September 2012 02:24 (eight years ago) link

aha! apps don't exist on iPad/Pod, which are the only version I've used for months know....good to know. thanks for the link!

theStalePrince, Saturday, 22 September 2012 02:30 (eight years ago) link

somebody needs to set up a "greatest Blue Note" cover poll....

theStalePrince, Saturday, 22 September 2012 04:26 (eight years ago) link

hmmm
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb30k1add71r3sdivo1_500.png

tylerw, Friday, 28 September 2012 22:47 (eight years ago) link

those are really boring cover photos, no offense to barrack

has important things to say about gangnam style (Hurting 2), Friday, 28 September 2012 22:52 (eight years ago) link

barack (d'oh)

has important things to say about gangnam style (Hurting 2), Friday, 28 September 2012 22:52 (eight years ago) link

the joe henderson PAGE ONE takeoff is good in the montage

69, Friday, 28 September 2012 23:05 (eight years ago) link

and the sidewinder one is ok too

69, Friday, 28 September 2012 23:06 (eight years ago) link

nine months pass...

Downloaded Art Blakey's Indestructible (his last Blue Note album, from 1965, with Lee Morgan, Curtis Fuller, Wayne Shorter, Cedar Walton and Reggie Workman) and the two volumes of 3 Blind Mice (live stuff from 1962 with Freddie Hubbard, Fuller, Shorter, Walton and Jymie Merritt). There are days when all I want to listen to, ever, is Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers' stuff from 1960-65.

誤訳侮辱, Saturday, 13 July 2013 23:33 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

I have been loving Pete La Roca's awesome Basra album a lot recently. It is a travesty that such a talented dude fucked it all off and became a taxi driver.

calzino, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 11:20 (four years ago) link

Dud mostly. The less rhythmic propulsion a track has, the more likely the track title will be an intransitive verb with a dropped 'g'.
― dave q, Monday, August 12, 2002 7:00 PM (13 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol great dave q post

human life won't become a cat (man alive), Wednesday, 6 April 2016 14:50 (four years ago) link

four months pass...

RIP RVG
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CquV540VMAAQBHy.jpg

tylerw, Thursday, 25 August 2016 21:55 (four years ago) link

I picked up a great book of lp covers from the label from a cheap sale a few years ago.
They really did have a great sense of style.
Seems to have been a major influence on mod. Presumably the modern jazz that's initially a short form for was best epitomised by the record label.

Stevolende, Thursday, 25 August 2016 22:18 (four years ago) link

RIP Rudy Van Gelder

humans will be listening to some of those tracks as long as the species has electrical power

Brad C., Thursday, 25 August 2016 23:48 (four years ago) link

.. must have at least 8 or 12 of the RVG remasters on disc -- will need to dig them out

bodacious ignoramus, Thursday, 25 August 2016 23:59 (four years ago) link

three years pass...

Finally got around to watching 'Blue Note: Beyond the Notes' last night. It's nice and pleasant but didn't really contain much in the way of insights that any fan wasn't already familiar with. Highlight was watching Shorter & Hancock goof around. I could have gone for a lot more of that.

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 13 January 2020 22:07 (eight months ago) link


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