Durutti Column: classic or dud

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I know there's a sort of thread about this but it was kinda short. So, Durutti Column: good music to chill out to [(c) God] or aural wallpaper? Is it better when Vini sings or doesn't? And why doesn't the DC song that Tony Wilson's ex-wife sings on not appear on any of the reissues?

electric sound of jim, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

new answers

electric sound of jim, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Gods and a half (or god and a half if you prefer). I think "The Missing Boy" is one of the best memorial songs ever, and the first two albums in particular always grab my heart.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Not good when they do the fucking Fields of Athenry though. Shut up and get on with the chileld out instrumental vibes please Vini.

Winkelmann, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

yes, that was a bizarre choice of cover wasn't it? Rebellion was a weak album all round I thought. The last decent one was "Time Was Gigantic". I think that Eley Rudge's vocal tracks are great, yet I have never found any other material she has recorded. The best albums are undoubtably "Return of..." and "LC", though "Without Mercy" is worth a listen. I think that DC are too captivating to be described as aural wallpaper. Eevn though Without Mercy I and II are very long tracks, I still listen to them carefully. Nothing that DC have recorded can be described as ambient. Vini's singing is not nearly as bad as Tony Wilson makes out. A vocal delivered in a stronger style would have totally ruined "The Room".

MarkH, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

yes, that was a bizarre choice of cover wasn't it?

I dunno, I actually rather liked it, but keep in mind that was the first time I had ever heard the song in question. Has it been covered by everyone and their mother?

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I think Vini has a lovely voice - It might well be that I'm so used to hearing it but I think it really suits the music. There are so many of his songs that wouldn't suit a confident vocal.. "Tomorrow" for instance, which is one of the saddest songs I've ever heard.

electric sound of jim, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Yep, I love Vini too, and I love his singing style, sort of self- effacing and unpretentious. His guitar playing (and piano, and everything else) is of course utterly godlike. I even love it when he appears on other people's records (his solo on "Genius" by Quando Quango is a fave of mine).

Favourites? Well I'm perverse so my faves are "Circuses and bread" (not least because it appeared in my life just when I needed a depressing record), "Another setting" (that Fender Rhodes!) and "Time is gigantic". And hell I even liked "Rebellion", not least for "Mello part 1", the best thing Vin's done in ages in my opinion. Sometimes it's just enough for him to sing and play solo guitar, that's enough.

And I keep meaning to take Ned to task for what he's said about "Friends in Portugal", don't believe Tony W's sleevenotes, it was a full 12 track album, y'know....

Good point about "I get along without you very well" too - rather partial to that one. And why isn't the PROPER version of "White rabbit" on the re-issues too...

Rob M, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Did he do any all instrumental albums? His voice is a stumbling block for me, but I like his guitar sound.

Ned, is there a swipe at New Order in "The Missing Boy" ("same old order. . .") and why, if so? This is probably well-known, but there's a lot of post-punk lore I'm sure I don't know. I do like the line, "There was a boy. I almost knew him." (At least I think that's how it goes.) Oddly, I have only heard a live version of this on a ROIR cassette.

DeRayMi, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Obey the Time is an all-instrumental album. This was the first DC album I bought, so I was quite surprised to hear the tracks with vocals later on.

MarkH, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

And I keep meaning to take Ned to task for what he's said about "Friends in Portugal", don't believe Tony W's sleevenotes, it was a full 12 track album, y'know....

D'oh. Have to do some updating...

Ned, is there a swipe at New Order in "The Missing Boy" ("same old order. . .") and why, if so?

If it is, I'd not heard it described as such.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Ned, I just thought that was an odd phrase to use in a song about Ian Curtis (that is who it's about right?), given the existence of New Order.

DeRayMi, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I would argue Dud here, though I love his story. The classic work he's done (a handful of songs: "Sketch For Summer", "Sketch For Dawn" in the early days, and what, "Love No More", "English Landscape" later?) is dragged down by the ocean of mediocre noodling he's unloaded alongside it.

Chris Ott, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

that is who it's about right?

Yup. But you know me and lyrics. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

A few of the albums are all instrumental. The Return Of... is all instrumental.

electric sound of jim, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

And he gets major good-sport points for appearing in 24 Hour Party People (well, trying to appear in it)...

Douglas, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

He looked almost as worn-out as Mark E. Smith!

nabisco, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

He needs a feedin'

electric sound of jim, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

But he's ALWAYS looked like that. And I used to think I was thin... (that was when I WAS thin, mind).

Rob M, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

But have you seen DC live? I have - once - in Edinburgh in 1999 as part of LaBradford's 2nd Festival of Drifting. They were absolutely superb. Hearing Tomorrow and the Missing Boy live was just amazing. It was just Vini, Keir Stewart and Bruce Mitchell. Bruce's drumming really did add something...reeally refuting the idea that DC = Vini. The guy was so proficient, yet looked so out of place.

MarkH, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Ah yes, the Durutti live experience... I caught a show in Manchester in 1994, Peter Hook on guest bass guitar for a few numbers, Vini actually forgetting the words to "Missing boy", my brother saying "This is so dull" between every song, me punching him...

Rob M, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
Reminder, The Durutti Column are on the Mark Radcliffe show on Radio 2 on Wednesday night.

Wednesday 8th September
Durutti Column live in session.

Latest Durutti Column news:

The Best of The Durutti Column, the compilation album formerly known as The Definitive Durutti Column, will be in the shops by the end of September 2004. Advance copies will be on sale at the Bridgewater Hall on 16 September. The 32-track double album has some very classy artwork and sensational photos by Rachel (McFarlane). The sleeve notes are by Vini Reilly and Anthony H Wilson.

According to Amazon UK this will be released on October 4th.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 09:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Sunday September 26th 2004
Doors: 7.30
Tickets: £16.00

return of durruti column most amazing record ever,, Hannet on genius form with synths and drums, vini, soaring...

Somebody Elses Party, recent album, some great moments, but much of it ruined by some guy with laptop that produces quite a lot of it.

jim clarke, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 09:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The bonus tracks on the CD reissue of Return Of... are to die for.

Bimble (bimble), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 16:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink


This is gonna make me sound too emo, but when I found out my granddad had died (and I was very close to him) I just put on "Prayer" and let it play on repeat for about an hour and just let the sadness take me over completely. I can't imagine anything else that would have captured sorrow and introspect of the moment any better.

My favorite album is actually Vini Reilly, but Another Setting, Return of, LC, and Without Mercy round out my top 5.

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 16:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

reminder ...

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 20:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

tune in now


DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 20:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

live Durutti Column

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 20:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Anyone know the tracklisting of this 'Best Of' thing?

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 9 September 2004 07:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i can't seem to find it online..

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Thursday, 9 September 2004 08:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

it's there, i'm listening to it now...

direct url for the real audio:

(this should open in your browser. i always rightclick and select 'play in realplayer' as the controls are then easier to use)

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 9 September 2004 11:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I heard it, on R2.

I liked the guitar playing a lot. It reminded me of the Edge trying to sound like Jimi Hendrix. I didn't likethe backing tracks so much.

It made me think that I ought to have some of the DC's music. What do you think I would like?

the chimefox, Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

PF - I will do you a CD of the best stuff if you like.

If you were to choose a whole album I think you'd like 'The Return Of' (the debut), 'LC' (the second album), 'Without Mercy' or 'Vini Reilly'.

My fave is 'Obey The Time', but it may not be your cup of tea.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think I actually prefer Another Setting.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yes, that's my second favourite. Actually I will put some tracks from this on yr CD, PF. Some good stuff on there - Bordeaux, The Beggar, You've Heard It Before.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 9 September 2004 15:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Don't forget Tomorrow from Circuses and Bread! It's criminal that all those CDs are so expensive.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i download some after they were mentioned on the "break up" thread (can't recall which tracks) and i have to say i was not impressed. maybe i got the wrong songs but the ones i listened to seemed, uh, too... "noodly", i guess, is the only way i can think of putting it.

dysøn (dyson), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

They're not expensive here!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I like a lot of the different styles of Vini, all of which sound uniquely Vini, but amongst the catalog there is definitely a selection of songs that are supremely good moody new wave/pop songs. See above: Bordeaux, The Beggar, Tommorow etc

They cost like 30 dollars in america.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I count myself spectacularly lucky that I got most of the mid-1990s reissues free thanks to a friend.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Best Durutti Ever : 'Say What You Mean EP'. Just perfect.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Are the latest DC UK reissues still in print?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 9 September 2004 18:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

No I think they're OOP now, but v.easy to get. You could get them in quite big chains like HMV until recently, but I think the supply has dried up. Most decent indie outlets have them or can get them - Sister Ray, Action etc. Also v.easy to get on ebay. They're usually £6.99 or £7.99 - if you really want them it might be worth ordering a few from the UK, although the exchange rate is crap for you now.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 9 September 2004 18:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Amazon seems to have them. Actually the one I don't have is Without Mercy, which is the one you rarely see. I had it on vinyl but it was a dodgy pressing and I never got around to getting the CD. I must get this before they disappear for good.

Great DC memory from 1985 - them doing half of Without Mercy live on the Tube 'Factory Special' one Friday night. Also on were Section 25 doing 'Hilltop' (a video - not live IIRC) and the Factory All-Stars fronted by Simon Topping, Beverly McDonald, Caesar amongst others doing various songs including LWTUA. On a FRIDAY TEA-TIME! Anyone else see this?

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 9 September 2004 18:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

don't think they've ever been released in the US in any format, actually. When I was in high school I had to go to some fancy stores and pay top dollar to get original CDs, I had Valuable Passages which I paid 25 or so bucks for, which seemed like a ton of money to my 15 yr old mind. Maybe it's a job for Acute, or perhaps LTM will be on the case. LTM stuff used to be pricey here but now Darla's carrying them for 15 bucks.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 9 September 2004 18:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Doc: if you get time to make this CD, I would appreciate it: thanks: I look forward to receiving it. !

the chimefox, Saturday, 11 September 2004 12:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Cerysmatic Factory provide details of The Best of The Durutti Column double compilation, now due for release on October 11th.

Disc one

1. Sketch For Summer
2. Conduct
3. Sketch For Winter
4. Lips That Would Kiss
5. For Belgian Friends
6. Danny
7. Never Known
8. Jacqueline
9. The Missing Boy
10. Prayer
11. Spent Time
12. Without Mercy 1
13. Without Mercy 2
14. The Room
15. Tomorrow
16. LFO Mod

Disc two

1. What Is It To Me (Woman)
2. Otis
3. Requiem Again
4. Home
5. Contra Indications
6. People's Pleasure Park
7. My Irascible Friend
8. Fado
9. Sing To Me
10. Pigeon
11. Mello (Part 1)
12. Falling
13. Woman
14. Requiem For Mother

Title: The Best of The Durutti Column
Label: Warner
Catalogue number: 5046753932
Release date: 11 October 2004


DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 10:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

not bad!

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 10:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I assume you're not talking about the cover.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 11:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

*looks* erk!

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 11:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

He's right that Late Night Maudlin Street is the highlight though. It has the most 'Durutti' guitar sound of any of the tracks.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:35 (five years ago) Permalink

Not weird for me, seems more like this "humble genius" thing where highly skilled people underestimate their talents. Also having a stroke and reflecting your life/artistic legacy could have changed his self-assessment.

DDD, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:39 (five years ago) Permalink

reflecting on*

DDD, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:39 (five years ago) Permalink

Do you guys know about the extra/missing track on some versions of "Return" ?

Mark G, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:43 (five years ago) Permalink

I had trouble following a lot of that Soundcloud interview, even at full volume.
When he was saying "dont laugh at me", I wasnt sure if he meant someone in the audience or if it was about him feeling belittled by some people in general or something else.
Also wondering if him talking about seeing an old lady getting beaten up is about something he saw happen or comparing that to the situation of some depressed people.
I kept rewinding it and still couldnt really hear.

In that other interview he said that he doesnt get royalties from his albums. Did he mean that he actually doesnt at all or that they dont sell well enough for him to get much?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:44 (five years ago) Permalink

DDD ... I think what I meant was that the guitar on much of "Viva Hate" is undeniably Vini-esque ... and so it feels uncomfortable to read him crediting Street with the skills and dismissing his own previous claims as "displaced anger", when perhaps he was absolutely justified in feeling un(der)credited ... whilst not feeling surprised to read him denying he's anything special. Can understand why he would want peace with others, at this point though.

djh, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:52 (five years ago) Permalink

He said he'd not "Sold anything" for 4 years, so I guess it's that.

I daresay he'll get a good amount from the new "Return of" reissue

Mark G, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:55 (five years ago) Permalink

I'd hope so...but I don't know how much profit something like is going to make.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:57 (five years ago) Permalink

I was actually disappointed (truly disappointed) that the guitar wasn't more distinctively identifiable as Vini. Seems like he compromised his sound for the album. Where are you hearing Vini-esque playing?

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:00 (five years ago) Permalink

If I didn't know it was Vini Reilly, I wouldn't have guessed it was him on any of the tracks.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:11 (five years ago) Permalink

djh, now I understand what you mean. Regarding that VH dispute: AFAIK Street composed some demos and, after getting a "Yes" from Morrissey he got Reilly to play guitar on the studio tracks. He wasn't impressed with them though (dismissing them as three-chord crap) and fleshed them out, which for him was considered composing the tracks.

There's this interesting documentary from the (early?) 00s with literally every Morrissey solo album producer, T. Wilson and V. Reilly talking about his career. Viva Hate is discussed right after 5 minutes - Reilly and Street give their side of the story, this weird "session musician/composer" discrepancy that lead to this conflict.

DDD, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:14 (five years ago) Permalink

Relistening now to find clear examples. There's a bit in the background on Little Man, What Now.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:16 (five years ago) Permalink

("led", not "lead")*

DDD, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:18 (five years ago) Permalink

Bengali actually has some distinctive Vini-esque playing too.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:27 (five years ago) Permalink


DDD, Friday, 31 January 2014 14:52 (five years ago) Permalink

The very end of "Margaret" has some distinctive Vini playing, but I agree that most of the album it's hard to tell it's him.

Vinnie, Friday, 31 January 2014 15:17 (five years ago) Permalink

To be fair Viva Hate is technically not a Durutti Column album

DDD, Friday, 31 January 2014 15:24 (five years ago) Permalink

oh, you may find this interesting...


OutdoorFish, Friday, 31 January 2014 15:28 (five years ago) Permalink

Um, this link has been posted before and has in fact sparked the discussion we're having right now...

Anyway, if you want to know how Vini Reilly is recovering from his stroke these days, check out this interview:


DDD, Friday, 31 January 2014 15:39 (five years ago) Permalink

Can never choose between Another Setting, LC or Circuses and Bread.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 31 January 2014 16:29 (five years ago) Permalink

I think anyone that's heard the Vini Reilly album from 1989 (and the outtakes on the recent Kooky reissue) can clearly hear that it's Vini on Viva Hate.

Some comparisons:

The "noisier" tone on 'People's Pleasure Park' and the same tone on 'Alsatian Cousin'
The floaty playing on 'William B' and the same thing on 'Late Night Maudlin Street'
The rhythm tone on 'Red Square' and the same tone on 'Everyday is Like Sunday' and 'Break up the Family'
The nylon finger picking on 'They Work Every Day' and the same on 'Margaret on the Guillotine'

Just for a few examples.

Austin, Friday, 31 January 2014 16:48 (five years ago) Permalink

I love LC and Circuses and Bread, but for me Another Setting is miles above all. I think it has the most sorta post-punky/joy divisiony moody pop songs, with a bunch of perfect little instrumentals rounding it out. Songs like Missing Boy or Tomorrow may be better than all the songs on Another Setting, but as a complete album, Another Setting is it for me.

dan selzer, Friday, 31 January 2014 17:42 (five years ago) Permalink

Once Prayer starts I feel my whole body relax. It's a remarkable feeling and happens every time. It's not 'hairs on the back of my neck' but it's just as powerful a feeling.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 31 January 2014 17:57 (five years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

Good god, Chronicle is heart wrenching.

austinato (Austin), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 21:45 (four years ago) Permalink

I still haven't played my copy but i'm looking forward to it.

There's a video of Swing Out Sister covering The Perfect Kiss by New Order where they end by playing a Durutti Column guitar riff. Pretty sweet.

brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:18 (four years ago) Permalink


brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:18 (four years ago) Permalink

from 2:42 on

brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:19 (four years ago) Permalink


doctrine the house (electricsound), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:51 (four years ago) Permalink

is it "for mimi"? that's lovely

cock chirea, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 01:34 (four years ago) Permalink

'Jacqueline', originally from the second album, but played live for many years to follow.

austinato (Austin), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 01:55 (four years ago) Permalink

I can't see this thread appear without a vague feeling of ... fear/sadness.

djh, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 17:36 (four years ago) Permalink

I think Swing Out Sister should record an album of DC covers. It will sell like HOTCAKES in Japan and make them all some money, Vini especially.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 18:16 (four years ago) Permalink

You may or may not be joking but I would preorder that today.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 18:19 (four years ago) Permalink

I'm not joking. I don't know anything about Swing Out Sister beyond Breakout and just read they're still "big in japan", and liked that New Order cover. I think the combination would be interesting and would certainly find an audience.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 23:54 (four years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Weird. This just appeared in my Twitter feed:


Odd to see V looking vaguely healthy.

djh, Friday, 4 December 2015 22:12 (three years ago) Permalink

Love that clip, have watched it many times previously.

Austin, Friday, 4 December 2015 22:46 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I love that one too. This revive prompted me to put on DC. Now made it through Obey the Time and started Vini Reilly. Hope to get through Circuses and Bread later tonight.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 4 December 2015 23:39 (three years ago) Permalink

LTM finally reissued "Another Setting", get it if you don't have it!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 5 December 2015 04:37 (three years ago) Permalink

3 copies of Another Setting already, but I'm likely to buy it again if it's on LP or the CD has different bonus track than the Factory Too reissue from the 90s

brotherlovesdub, Saturday, 5 December 2015 17:09 (three years ago) Permalink

My favorite DC album by far. I have the original factory cassette, LP and Factory Too reissue. I think that reissue just has the original Amigos Em Portugal as the bonus tracks.

dan selzer, Saturday, 5 December 2015 17:11 (three years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

A four CD reissue of Without Mercy? Why sure.


Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 May 2018 18:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

this bump made me nervous. happy to see this news

flappy bird, Monday, 21 May 2018 18:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

Looks great.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Monday, 21 May 2018 19:59 (eight months ago) Permalink

haven't listened to vini for ten years? have to fix that.

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 21 May 2018 22:18 (eight months ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

Uh, yes please


Factory Benelux presents a deluxe 3xCD box set edition of Obey the Time, the eighth studio album by Manchester ensemble The Durutti Column. Originally released by Factory Records in December 1990, the original 10 tracks have now been expanded to no less than 43.

Marking a further break with tradition, dance exploration Contra-Indications was taped with New Order programmer (and later co-manager) Andy Robinson. Released in December 1990, Obey the Time (Fact 274) would be the last Durutti Column album on Factory before the labelled collapsed beneath a mountain of debt.

The multitude of studio extras spread across Discs 1 and 2 include single and remix tracks The Together Mix and Kiss of Def, rare compilation cuts such as The New Fidelity, The Awards Show and Times Like These, and several extracts from two unreleased Factory albums recorded during the same 1989/90 period: Guitar One: House (Fact 254) and Guitar Two: Acoustic (Fact 264).

Disc 3 features 11 live tracks from a previously unreleased performance at Manchester University Whitworth Hall on 23 June 1990 (opportunistically billed as ‘The Acid Guitar’), on which Reilly and Mitchell are joined by guests Andy Connell, Liu Sola and Rob Gray.

3xCD tracklist:

Disc 1

1. Vino Della Casa Bianco
2. Hotel of the Lake 1990
3. Fridays
4. Neon
5. Home
6. Spanish Reggae
7. Art and Freight
8. The Warmest Rain
9. Contra-Indications
10. Vino Della Casa Rosso
11. The Together Mix
12. For Zinni III
13. Fridays (Up-Person Mix)
14. Kiss of Def
15. The New Fidelity

Disc 2

1. Together – Razormaid Mix
3. Dry
4. Out of the Blue
5. Paradise Passage Road
6. Rope Around My Neck
7. Short
8. Boat People 1
9. Boat People 2
10. Grade 2 Duet
11. Octaves
12. For Madelaine II
13. Pete’s Riff
14. The Crowned Goddess
15. Times Like These
16. The Awards Show
17. My Country (Monarchy Mix)

Disc 3

1. Home (live)
2. What It Means to Me (live)
3. English Landscape Tradition (live)
4. Opera II (live)
5. Finding the Sea (live)
6. Otis (live)
7. Jacqueline (live)
8. Requiem Again (live)
9. Take Some Time Out (live)
10. The Missing Boy (live)
11. Sketch for Summer (live)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 January 2019 23:19 (four weeks ago) Permalink

good, only a couple more until we get to the Time Was Gigantic reissue!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 21 January 2019 07:19 (three weeks ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...


Vini's guitar being used well.

djh, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 19:45 (one week ago) Permalink

saw this revive and simultaneously experienced two very different and extreme emotions:



both with this facial expression: O_O

glad i was wrong.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 22:47 (one week ago) Permalink

oh, he is literally using one of Vini Reilly's guitars!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 22:55 (one week ago) Permalink


Yes, I have previously proposed a ban on this thread just because I always jump to the first of these.

Haven't actually heard the story of the guitar and wonder if it is mundane as "Vini sold his guitar"? Still, I have time for Cherer.

Might move this conversation to the Second Language thread - less traumatic for those watching.

djh, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 23:03 (one week ago) Permalink

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