Anyone else hear the new Childish Gambino record?

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It's strangely good, granted I don't know jack about rap.

little rattlesnaker, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 04:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

He's a much better beat chemist than he is a rapper, but it's interesting to see a wholly different side of someone I only know from sitcom tv.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 04:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

being somewhat famous probably stunts it

little rattlesnaker, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 04:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

"I'd die for my hood... Trayvon"

#yolo contendere (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 2 April 2012 23:06 (six years ago) Permalink

I have been listening to Childish for a couple years now, love all his stuff...But this just doesn't seem like him.

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 2 April 2012 23:16 (six years ago) Permalink

I have been listening to Childish since episode 5 season 1 of Community

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 2 April 2012 23:17 (six years ago) Permalink

Really, ppp? I can't stand his music, am I missing something?

Blomqvist, Jesper (admrl), Monday, 2 April 2012 23:18 (six years ago) Permalink

right after I posted my post I got scared that someone would think it was a real post

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 2 April 2012 23:18 (six years ago) Permalink

haha

ok

Blomqvist, Jesper (admrl), Monday, 2 April 2012 23:19 (six years ago) Permalink

So now he's trying to be a (still punchline-based) southern rapper? Ugh.

"I know its hard to hear but I'm a Realest." (rennavate), Monday, 2 April 2012 23:19 (six years ago) Permalink

whiney it cannot be a coincidence that you pledged a twitter hiatus and then literally hours later childish gambino drops a track grocery bagging trayvon martin. the universe is testing you, i fear you are to be a modern-day Job.

techno pink (reddening), Monday, 2 April 2012 23:34 (six years ago) Permalink

More like Gob.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 2 April 2012 23:53 (six years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
three months pass...

Shame the thread from the sandbox had to stay there.

Cunga, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 06:09 (five years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

new album is called "because the internet"

reddening, Thursday, 5 December 2013 23:57 (four years ago) Permalink

Listening to an early leak now; not quite the rhyming skills as Kid Cudi or Jay Electronica, but still, this is a pretty fine slab for a TV actor/comedian (Donald Glover).

As i continue to listen, this record may render many of the early "Best of 2013" lists obsolete.

bodacious ignoramus, Friday, 6 December 2013 00:34 (four years ago) Permalink

i shudder to think if it's even possible to have inferior rhyming skills to the guy who wrote this verse

http://youtu.be/QCi5YmAiiw4?t=3m46s

deez the season (some dude), Friday, 6 December 2013 00:38 (four years ago) Permalink

bodacious ignoramus

flopson, Friday, 6 December 2013 01:30 (four years ago) Permalink

no great interest in hearing dude's new album, but:

Would your ideal eventual career path eventually mirror someone like Tina Fey, Jerry Seinfeld, Will Smith or Drake?

I want to be something completely different from everyone on that list.

Now, excluding Tina Fey from that list. Fuck, marry, kill.
Drake's my boy, but he would not be fun to fuck, that would be really sad. I'd probably fuck Will Smith because he's ripped. I'd marry Jerry Seinfeld because he's so fucking rich. So by process of elimination, I'd have to kill Drake.

JoeStork, Friday, 13 December 2013 02:10 (four years ago) Permalink

Got 5 copies of this on red vinyl at the record store today. eBay prospectors were out in droves, those five copies lasted five minutes. I saw one go for $270 on eBay today; we were selling 'em for thirty bucks. Yikes

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Friday, 13 December 2013 02:13 (four years ago) Permalink

waht

JoeStork, Friday, 13 December 2013 02:18 (four years ago) Permalink

Yup, reddit.com/r/vinyl gold

Evan, Friday, 13 December 2013 02:30 (four years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Wow, I just encountered someone who is unfamiliar with tv/movie Donald Glover and only knows of Childish Gambino as a new rap artist. Of course those people are out there, but I never figured I'd have one in my own sphere of friends.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 20:14 (four years ago) Permalink

that's gonna be more and more common. he's had a top 10 album, he's never been on a top 10 show.

scott c-word (some dude), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 20:52 (four years ago) Permalink

Weird, I had no idea he was really taking off.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:06 (four years ago) Permalink

Last year I put out a call for the Internet to find me one Childish Gambino fan who wasn't also a Community fan. And a lot of people on Twitter tried, or thought they knew an exception, but ultimately not one could do it; the overlap between the two fanbases was 100%.

Obviously that's going to change now, but for the longest time it drove me nuts that the rap press treated this guy like a real rap act when clearly he was a TV tie-in. It would be like treating The Simpsons as an interesting musical sensation because Simpsons Sing the Blues sold some copies.

Evan R, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:25 (four years ago) Permalink

that might've been just your twitter circle, though. he definitely had music fans who've never seen the show, even before the last album.

scott c-word (some dude), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:31 (four years ago) Permalink

as much as i'm not a fan, the tv tie-in thing is unfair. it's not like he was making rap songs about Community.

festival culture (Jordan), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:36 (four years ago) Permalink

seems way harder for actors to get taken seriously as musicians than vice versa.

festival culture (Jordan), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:36 (four years ago) Permalink

xxp I'm sure it was an age thing; if I followed more college sophomores one of them probably would have known some quiet kid in the dorm with a hard drive full of rap but no TV. But it was (and remains) silly the way some rap sites act like this guy's preexisting celebrity and built-in fanbase from the most cultishly adored show on television has nothing to do with his following

Evan R, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:38 (four years ago) Permalink

Listening to Because the Internet for the first time right now, and it's a marked improvement over the last time I heard him doing this.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:38 (four years ago) Permalink

seems way harder for actors to get taken seriously as musicians than vice versa.

usually that's true, but it's different when you're a vaguely comic rapper rapping about the same geeky subject matter as the TV show you star in

Evan R, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:39 (four years ago) Permalink

Like, I personally hear Troy Barnes trying on a rap guise as a gag, but to someone who's never watched Community, this is good enough to be a legit rap album.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:39 (four years ago) Permalink

as much as i'm not a fan, the tv tie-in thing is unfair. it's not like he was making rap songs about Community.

― festival culture (Jordan), Wednesday, February 5, 2014 4:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i agree w/ this, although it is funny that most of his stuff is produced by the Swedish dude who composes background music for Community

scott c-word (some dude), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:42 (four years ago) Permalink

Hugh Laurie doesn't sing blues songs about ethically challenged doctors, either, but that doesn't mean 95% of the crowd at his show didn't watch House

Evan R, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:45 (four years ago) Permalink

But it was (and remains) silly the way some rap sites act like this guy's preexisting celebrity and built-in fanbase from the most cultishly adored show on television has nothing to do with his following

ok, that makes sense.

although it is funny that most of his stuff is produced by the Swedish dude who composes background music for Community

totally, and that dude should be the real star here.

festival culture (Jordan), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:51 (four years ago) Permalink

Hugh Laurie doesn't sing blues songs about ethically challenged doctors, either, but that doesn't mean 95% of the crowd at his show didn't watch House

presumably you mean "at his show in America" here

(D1CK$) (sic), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 22:26 (four years ago) Permalink

Haha, my bad, didn't mean to insult the U.K. and Jeeves and Wooster fans around the world, sorry about that

Evan R, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 22:34 (four years ago) Permalink

is this album better or worse than Camp? Because that one was god-awful.

frogbs, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 22:38 (four years ago) Permalink

The half of it I listened to today was better than Camp imo.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 22:42 (four years ago) Permalink

(way better known in .au for Blackadder and A Bit Of than as an inappropriate Bertram [Ionicus or gtfo imo])

(D1CK$) (sic), Thursday, 6 February 2014 00:40 (four years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Did not listen to Childish's last 6 years of output, however have just had a listen to these fantastic two new tracks Redbone and Me and Your Mama.

Loving the Pink Floyd and Funkadelic vibes

mingalaba, Friday, 18 November 2016 04:44 (one year ago) Permalink

Redbone is definitely 2016's best Prince track.

mingalaba, Friday, 18 November 2016 04:48 (one year ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

new album through the first four tracks a psych-funk groove for sure

though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 2 December 2016 12:59 (one year ago) Permalink

I think it's great - ignore the haters who wanted a trap album. I think it's a bold move and am happy to see him stretch himself as an artist, too.

Haven't looked at the credits or anything, but curious to see who may have played on it/produced some of it.

Love Questlove's instagram post about it, too https://www.instagram.com/p/BNgjtqdBrnE/?taken-by=questlove

Federico Boswarlos, Friday, 2 December 2016 17:09 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm happy that this isn't a trap album, just a little befuddled at the panegyrics this has been met with on some «whoah! live instrumentation! how rare!» ish. It's pleasant enough to listen to, but nothing I feel a particular urge to put on.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, 5 December 2016 12:37 (one year ago) Permalink

I don't like it very much AND I'm glad it wasn't trap. Redbone is fucking amazing, though.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 5 December 2016 12:45 (one year ago) Permalink

It's pleasant enough to listen to

I... don't know if I'd go that far. That voice could peel wallpaper.

Evan R, Monday, 5 December 2016 16:11 (one year ago) Permalink

Personally I don’t see why rappers can’t be theater-school kids (& vice-versa). Though I suppose dyl kind of gets at that up above.

You're all losing so many points on your progress bars (Champiness), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 05:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Rappers can mostly do whatever they want but if you go out of your way to present yourself as "apart" from what it is you're doing, like he did in his earlier work, people inevitably start talking about your artistic credibility. This whole conversation is an extension of that.

Can't put my finger on why Mars falls in for a similar kind of flack other than maybe being too calculated in his approach or something.

tsrobodo, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 05:50 (two weeks ago) Permalink

it's a mistake to assume that the political messages it wears on its sleeve are substantially different from the subtext of many contemporary hits that have been percolating through the ether at any given moment over the past few years

― dyl, Monday, May 7, 2018 9:33 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'd agree with this. except that i think that gambino's is delivered with a wink and a nod, an ironic distance that says "look when i'm talking about materialism i don't mean it, i'm criticizing that people talk about guns and money as the problem, as the distraction while the real stuff is happening elsewhere," which is precisely what's denying that these same themes and issues are elsewhere, but presented without that sort of dimestore brechtian distancing, and often more genuinely and sharply, while this is all reflected through so much artifice that it doesn't feel like it connects to me -- it represents connecting, and it simulates making a statement. moves right past brecht to baudrillard.

this really isn't coming on my part on any relationship to the prior gambino stuff, which i didn't feel much about either way -- it's all right on the surface of the This is America video.

carles danger mous (s.clover), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 06:07 (two weeks ago) Permalink

This is America is so good

Dyslexicon (Ross), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 06:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xp once more with coherence

bamcquern, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 06:16 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I guess I'm that guy but this song sounds just like the Cashmeoutside girl's song and the video is directed in the same style idk maybe that's the point.

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 06:20 (two weeks ago) Permalink

YOU GUYS THIS SONG IS SO GOOD

It's like an Christian pop (thewufs), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 06:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

naw I understand what you're saying, Sterl, but you're just wrong. I'd argue that there's no such thing as dimestore brechtian distancing, just brechtian distancing, & that this is something the video does well. the dancing, gestures, expressions, and staging bitterly & ironically
& distortedly reflect jump jim crow past & present, and the suddenness of the violence is effectively jolting, and the discomfort and confusion of both of those instances of brechtian distancing do their job, which is to get a mass audience talking about the social and political issues presented in the song & video.

the lyrics themselves might offer "dimestore" pop ironies about violence & materialism but you're also wrong to use dimestore as a pejorative, just because. I won't argue this point on ilx of all places. & please note that these lyrics, whether their irony is facile or not, are anchored by the spookiest, most profound line in the song, "Don't catch you slippin up," the line that pins a much too corporeal reality to lines that otherwise seem ephemeral and light and scattershot, as if those are inherently bad things (they're not).

& whether the talk of materialism & gun violence are ironic feints or not, your arguing that you know where the glass bead game of popular art - or any art - should start & stop to be sincere & effective & uh artful is like the libertarian knowing where the law & government regulations should start & stop to be just & productive & useful. your quibbling is a point-missing calculus and, like, remind me not to be a 10 year old kid showing you my truly excellent & weird refrigerator-worthy drawing because you'd say it's derivative of the most mawkish efforts of a lesser CalArts grad or something.

& whether the talk of materialism & gun violence are ironic feints or not (slight reprise), you don't argue convincingly how that's a bad thing. you jump straight to your own garbled idea of what you think it really means and how your words in Glover's mouth must make "This Is America" bad art.

bamcquern, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 06:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Video is equally striking but it holds up something fierce on its own

It's like an Christian pop (thewufs), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 06:58 (two weeks ago) Permalink

swagger jacking sada baby is it

||||||||, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 07:06 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Thewufs otm

Dyslexicon (Ross), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 07:17 (two weeks ago) Permalink

bamcquern -- the idea that "Don't catch you slippin up" is somehow a profound line is the sort of thing that gets me here. This sentiment is expressed all the time in rap tracks in almost those exact words. its almost a cliche. And those tracks sound equally if not more intense, claustrophobic, and are narratively more rich because there's things going on besides just the play and juxtaposition of phrases. You can't just take this cliche that expresses something both common but also, yes, intense, and then say that it became profound because glover made a funny face while saying it and was in a carpark instead of on a streetcorner or something.

you say that the "job" of these devices is to "get a mass audience talking about the social and political issues presented in the song & video" but i don't see that happening. people see what they want in the video -- but seriously, cities have been erupting in protests for some years now, the news cycle has been dominated by all sorts of issues. like... what _actually_ is this video going to get people to "talk" about that wasn't already there? The response I've seen thus far has been outlets just praising the mere reference to the _existence_ of issues, paired with like a rundown of various scenes in the background and what they're supposed to represent like captain midnight's secret decoder ring. honestly it feels like a big-budget version of SNL's "high school theater" sketch.

carles danger mous (s.clover), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 07:35 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I don't see distancing to the song or video - a lot of what's compelling to me is the way the elements are presented without being commented on, Glover implicating himself in everything he's rapping about.

louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 07:43 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Presuming intentional Profundity then judging on that basis can lead one down some bad paths.

Love Theme From Oh God! You Devil (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 10:29 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I'm trying hard to make the connection between the artist who created this song/video/performance and the Super Bowl Halftime guy who did "Moves Like Jagger".

I need to go back to the M.I.A. thread and see who compared her to Katy Perry.

pplains, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 13:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink

TBF above it looks like that Bruno Mars comparison was originally just about the song Saturday.

Yerac, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 13:24 (two weeks ago) Permalink

This song is flat out awesome and the video only made it better for me.

So much of hip-hop (all of it?) is politically charged anyway, it's amusing to me why people are latching on to to the political element of this video so much.

Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 13:53 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I don't know why I did it, knowing the likely outcome, but I just read Armond White's take on it. He makes some points that I think Sterling was alluding to above. I should use this frustration and go exercise now.

Yerac, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 13:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink

This thread has been awaiting Armond White's response, especially if NRO ran it.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 13:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink

tbh I'd like to know your response too Al

Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 14:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink

TBF above it looks like that Bruno Mars comparison was originally just about the song Saturday.

This. But, y'know, ilm threads will always be about 80% people purposely misreading someone's opinion in order to prove a different point.

Only for my own sake of clarity, all I was saying is that, to me, "Saturday" was a more effective 80s pastiche than Bruno's 80s pastiche songs. That's it. In no way whatsoever was I claiming that "Childish Gambino does Bruno Mars better than Bruno Mars".

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 15:32 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Give examples, sterl. which songs use this line? and do they have the same context? ie, I believe, simply being Black in America?

the devices do their "job" successfully because people are talking about the song and it's social and political import. like we are now. you want them to talk about it in a different way?

the secret decoder ring exegesis seems to be your preferred way of engaging with art, which is maybe why you're dissatisfied with the song. most people aren't taking this positivist add-it-up approach because it's art and they tacitly understand art isn't a math problem of sufficient or insufficient quantities.

I dunno I'm on ilx so I should expect greater than/lesser than crit. "there's another unspecified song that does this better." "there's another specified song that does it better and its aims are exactly the same and btw music is so strictly quantitative that this is a valuable way to talk about it."

bamcquern, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 19:10 (two weeks ago) Permalink

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/08/entertainment/trayvon-martin-father-this-america/index.html

people just believe any goddamned thing they see on twitter apparently

akm, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 20:12 (two weeks ago) Permalink

bamcquern you have literally misread every word i wrote.

carles danger mous (s.clover), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 20:17 (two weeks ago) Permalink

cool cool cool. except I haven't.

you said the brechtian distancing isn't doing its job. I said it is. thousands of people are having conversations about the song & its message & its politics just like we're having. people talking about themes within and adjacent to the song before the song existed is not some deficiency of the song's.

it's true, you said the sentiment of the line is trite, which to me is a very broad complaint and completely elides the poetry and placement of the line, but you also said "in almost those exact words." Which exact words? And I'd argue that, yes, the line is forceful (not necessarily "more" forceful) embedded in the "play and juxtaposition of phrases." the specific words are important because poetry isn't horseshoes.

his face has nothing to do with whether the line is good or not.

except that i think that gambino's is delivered with a wink and a nod, an ironic distance that says "look when i'm talking about materialism i don't mean it, i'm criticizing that people talk about guns and money as the problem, as the distraction while the real stuff is happening elsewhere," which is precisely what's denying that these same themes and issues are elsewhere, but presented without that sort of dimestore brechtian distancing, and often more genuinely and sharply, while this is all reflected through so much artifice that it doesn't feel like it connects to me -- it represents connecting, and it simulates making a statement. moves right past brecht to baudrillard.

this is the decoder ring shit - your own, not unnamed critics. this is what I mean by a calculus & you're the one that brought this mode of criticism & appreciation (or lack of) to the thread. you've made yourself the arbiter of when gambino is being ironic & how ironical he's being; you're putting words in gambino's mouth and evaluating how sincere he is or isn't being; you're talking about themes like they're manipulable units, as if identifying what's being talked about in art robs it of its power.

& you clearly make comparative mentions not only to other rap tracks.

bamcquern, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 22:12 (two weeks ago) Permalink

remove "not only" bc I don't need to get into it

bamcquern, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 22:13 (two weeks ago) Permalink

"you've made yourself the arbiter of when gambino is being ironic"

you mean i've attempted to perform a critical reading of a text? go home.

carles danger mous (s.clover), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 22:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink

^^ new borad description tbf

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 23:04 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The video is so good. Wish the lyrics were as powerful but I’m all in for this new phase of CG after not being a fan of his previous works.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 10 May 2018 18:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Like the song but Glover seems like a bit of an egotist

Ross, Thursday, 10 May 2018 19:26 (two weeks ago) Permalink

This is America vid feels very Kendrick-lite to me

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 10 May 2018 19:36 (two weeks ago) Permalink

nothing wrong with Kendrick being an influencer IMO particularly for songs and/or videos that have this kind of wide viewership

akm, Thursday, 10 May 2018 21:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink

"dimestore brechtian distancing"

as opposed to threepenny brechtian distancing?

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Thursday, 10 May 2018 22:07 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Xpost: agreed. Idk if Kendrick-lite is meant as an insult but more rappers emulating him is desirable imho.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 10 May 2018 22:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink

this is all reflected through so much artifice that it doesn't feel like it connects to me -- it represents connecting, and it simulates making a statement.

I guess this was my takeaway, too; the video had me thinking more about its production and technical aspects than it “connected” emotionally or intellectually (but seems I’m in the minority, and it’s not a hill I’ll die on). There certainly are a lot of “decoder rings” all over YouTube, etc. I’m sure that’s part of the point with all the signifiers, to get people learning about things they maybe weren’t aware of.

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Friday, 11 May 2018 00:34 (one week ago) Permalink

jfc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUWq_aBiE_s&feature=youtu.be

Simon H., Saturday, 12 May 2018 21:41 (one week ago) Permalink

link doesn't work for me

dyl, Saturday, 12 May 2018 23:34 (one week ago) Permalink

doesn’t even sync up that well

flopson, Saturday, 12 May 2018 23:53 (one week ago) Permalink

I think the buy-in point is the gun firing when the chorus starts.
Anyway it’s a positive “jfc” from me

You're all losing so many points on your progress bars (Champiness), Saturday, 12 May 2018 23:58 (one week ago) Permalink

uuuh...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW8whgmyTNU

carles danger maus (s.clover), Monday, 14 May 2018 03:58 (one week ago) Permalink

oh my god

dyl, Monday, 14 May 2018 04:05 (one week ago) Permalink

dying at the thumbs up/down ratio there.

carles danger maus (s.clover), Monday, 14 May 2018 05:22 (one week ago) Permalink

https://i.imgur.com/xdIwcrr.jpg

pplains, Monday, 14 May 2018 14:56 (one week ago) Permalink

It's terrible, obviously, but I also have no clue what she is "singing".

Yerac, Monday, 14 May 2018 15:02 (one week ago) Permalink

I browsed her youtube channel a bit and I think she may be a kind of career youtube troll, and a really boring one at that

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 14 May 2018 15:57 (one week ago) Permalink

#1 on the Hot 100.

Simon H., Monday, 14 May 2018 17:33 (one week ago) Permalink

What about Gambino's version? x-post

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Monday, 14 May 2018 17:38 (one week ago) Permalink


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