Suede - A New Morning

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Anyone else listened to it?

I have, and I'm not too thrilled.

Shaun Kinski, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

And you're surprised?

Chewshabadoo, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Ned R to thread - please tell me the new Suede is actually surprisingly good, not more Head Music-y water-treading

John Darnielle, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

See, here's the thing -- Head Music is better than anyone will give it credit for. And I'll still say it! But my line about the B- sides being the best from the time holds true. ;-)

What I have heard of A New Morning is pleasant, relaxed even, and I don't mean that as a criticism. It's Suede having a good time and not making too much of a fuss; the inclusion of Alex Lee hasn't notably changed anything. I think of it this way -- Suede shouldn't be seen so much in the Bowie vein as the Cocteau Twins vein now, not in terms of sonics but generally aesthetic approach. They've established a sound and will do gentle variations on it for the rest of their time still together, I'm guessing. And why not?

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Either Suede have completely and utterly lost the plot or I've just completely and utterly lost interest. Probably a bit of both.

Brett's just going through the motions and recycling the same old lyricisms, only now his hoary voice can't hide the fact that he's just a gentrified has-been whose completely lost any of the vim or vigour that actually made Suede interesting once.

And the songs! Oh my.

Total crap.

Mark, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, I thought it was just sad.

I was hoping against hope that it would be wonderful, and even got that familiar rush of excitement when the first song kicked in. But one minute into it I realized how very bland it was. Every song is just really generic -- it could be any Britpop band from the mid- nineties (the word "Bluetones" springs to mind). The music is totally unremarkable, and Brett doesn't even sound like his old self. It's like all of the little idiosyncratic vocal tics that made his voice distinctive have been pro-tooled out. Even Head Music had some redeeming moments on it, but this is just too bland to pick any one song out as good.

Of course A New Morning had the distinct disadvantage of coming after Frantic on my mp3 player, and Bryan just seemed to outclass them in every sense of the word.

What Brett should do is swallow his pride and beg BB to come back to the fold, because the interviews promoting the new McAlmont & Butler album indicate he'd be willing to do it.

Anyway, enough of my rambling...

Nicole, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Frankly, I am a little bit suprised. I've always been pro-suede and believe each album has qualities (some more than others), but this new one is just BAD. After 3 years and 2 producers, you'd think something better would've materialized. I'd love to hear the aborted sessions to compare. After parts of Head Music and outstanding recent b-sides (waterloo, digging a hole), I was expecting alot more.

Shaun Kinski, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Ned's right that Head Music is better than is given credit for, but then again nobody seems to give it any credit at all. If they'd binned some of the shoddier tracks the really good songs on it would have stood out a bit more. Same applies to A New Morning, I think, though there's nothing on it as horrific as "Elephant Man", but the already-alluded to hoary vocals do spoil it a bit.

"Positivity" is OK, but a bit weak for a first single. "Beautiful Loser" is crap. "Obsessions" sounds like it wants to be "Trash". Sadly, it isn't. "Lost in TV" is quite good though. I am biased toward songs with lalalas in them, though.

EdwardO, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Good grief, I feel like I'm already fighting a losing battle or something. ;-) I'll say this much -- having only heard it two times total, "Positivity" is sticking with me as a memorable song and chorus quite readily -- it's fun to whistle!

FWIW many folks on the Suede list weren't too thrilled with the new songs at the fan gigs, though a number chalked that up to unfamiliarity with them. I am surprised at how virulent the reaction is here, though -- I think the Bluetones are only supposed to be invoked if the world is in imminent danger of collapse.

That all said, the new Bryan Ferry is quite wonderful. :-)

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm thinking I'll skip "A New Morning". Does anyone besides Ned like it?

Sean, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

There are a couple of good songs in there (lost in tv, untitled track, obsessions) but the production (or lack of it) makes the whole thing sound like a bunch of b-side demos.

Did the departing Neil add more than we thought to the dynamics of the group? Was Stephen Street a wise choice? Should Anderson have dropped the whole bass/guitar/drums route? Do we blame Natalie Imbruglia?

Kinski, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I like the new LP. (I haven't heard it. Does it really exist?)

the pinefox, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Not quite as good as Gene.

I'm only surprised there are people still clinging to the remnants of the Suede flotsam. Suede were merely one of the many Britpop galleon's to crash and smash against the rocks of progress.
Brett humself has, for a long time, seem bored and maybe even slightly embarrassed by his role as decadent, foppish wastrel. And, trapped by rabid fan's expectation, that's clearly what he see's it as: a role. His lyrics have had the air of 'Oh well, this is what Suede fans want to hear, so what can I do?' and he wearily goes through his list of key SuedeWords and fashions another Suede song that matches all the other Suede songs. With obvious diminishing results.
If Brett's heart was in it, they may just get away with it. But it isn't.

DavidM, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Not quite as good as Gene.

Fighting words. But I've vented elsewhere. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm only surprised there are people still clinging to the remnants of the Suede flotsam.

Hm. Who among here does not have someone artistic -- doesn't matter who, doesn't matter what kind of music, might not even be music! -- they cling to obstinately regardless of the array of the world's opinion against them. I suspect nobody here is innocent (or you're liars ;-)).

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

DavidM is OTM.

I wonder if Brett even knows HOW to make a different type of record.

Mark, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

This is getting more curious as it goes! Is the problem with Suede that they sound too much like themselves or not enough like their past selves? I'm starting to get puzzled here.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Dog Man Star was the cocksure work of a band who, for better or worse, truly believed that they could find decadence in a cum- encrusted bedsheet. A New Morning is the befuddled work of a band too comfortable to be bothered to really look for anything at all.

It goes through the motions, all the while adhering to a certain style so as to constantly remind the listener that - like previous albums do you see - it came directly from the Suede Factory and, therefore, must be As Good.

Only it's not. In fact, it sucks. Hence, it sounds like Suede, only crapper.

(But I guess we know that they sleep in clean, comfy linens now...)

Mark, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Ah, I think I see the distinction here between us at least. ;-) See, DMS is my least favorite Suede album thus far, or rather ties Head Music (this assumes no truly bad Suede album, merely ones I prefer to listen to and ones I generally don't). There are some great songs off that album, but I never enjoyed it much as a unified listening experience, it completely drags halfway in and only "Still Life" saves it at the end from snoozedom, and even then has to pull out all the arrangement stops to do so. It's like that whole album was recorded in cloth, almost suffocatingly so.

I have no problem with comfort, and Suede sound comfortable on A New Morning and that's quite all right with me. Depeche Mode have found a way for comfort and exploration to coexist, for example, so I'd rank Exciter as the more satisfactory listen all around, say. But I have no reason based on what I've heard to now chuck Suede out the window with a curse. If "Positivity" didn't stick I'd say so -- but stick it does. :-)

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, Ned, nobody who managed to stay with Suede through Head Music without chucking them out the window would have reason to ditch them based on this new one. It's a pretty good listen - pleasant and hooky - and there is nothing on it that's so offensive as to give people a reason to hate it.

Maybe they're on autopilot. Maybe they ARE past it. But really, anyone who ranks this as being even in the top HALF of embarassing post-success Britpop flops clearly hasn't listened to it on its merit.

EdwardO, Sunday, 11 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

woah ! where have we all heard it ? and don't say soulseek cause it was broken all last week.

oh is it fixed now ?

piscesboy, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Soulseek are having problems, go here for a temporary 'WORKING' version http://www.slsk.org

Shaun Kinski, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

i AM i AM the ELEPHANT MAN!!!! (love it!)

jjreece, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I love "Elephant Man" too (as well as most of "Head Music")!, but... I'm having trouble getting into "A New Morning." Going through the motions is the wrong kind of decadence for Suede. Also, Steve Osborne is a seriously underrated producer. I wonder why they parted ways with him as "Head Music" sounded terrific.

Spencer Chow, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

fifteen years pass...

Listened to a bit of this again the other night. It's so much better than anyone would tend to imagine. 'Obsessions' and 'Lonely Girls', in their way, as powerful and direct as any songwriting BA had ever done.

the pinefox, Monday, 23 July 2018 10:58 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Eheh same for me today : I barely remembered this album since I was definitely past Suede at the time but it's surprisingly... er not that bad !
Relaxed/satisfied and even positive Suede is OK with me although I agree that they don't make much effort, especially in the lyrical department, so it's not exciting, great or anything.
This is also appreciable after revisiting Head Music too which is borderline awful/unlistenable to me (and I had some hopes there would be some good b-sides from that period to make an alternate decent album/playlist... but at most they had a good EP in them at that time apparently !).
It might be their We Love Life (only not as good).

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 4 November 2019 10:30 (two weeks ago) link

I've wasted many an hour listening to this album trying to find some enjoyment in it, but it really is an uninspired sad state of affairs.

PaulTMA, Monday, 4 November 2019 12:31 (two weeks ago) link

I listen to "New Morning" and "Head Music" so infrequently that I get them mixed up. Which I did again this morning, so looked up the track lists and learned that it's "Head Music" that actually has a few songs I like.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 November 2019 13:13 (two weeks ago) link

Honestly think Head Music is pretty excellent with the exception of a couple of songs (Head Music and Elephant Man)

PaulTMA, Monday, 4 November 2019 13:25 (two weeks ago) link

After listening to ANM again, I like it (except the ridiculous copy of a part of "Metal Mickey" that is "Beautiful Loser" and "Streetlife" + maybe "Astrogirl" which is not bad just boring).
The rest is nothing great (although "Lost in TV" comes close) but it's nice and smooth (lol at the Peanuts inspired "When the rain falls").
Head Music I can only accept "Everything Will Flow" (which is a great song), "Down" and mayyyybe "She's in Fashion" (but the production is atrocious, like on the rest of the album).

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 10:06 (two weeks ago) link

"Everything Will Flow" is the one that's always stuck in my head.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 12:35 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, it's very good. Certainly the best song on this album (and of that period of theirs).
The lyrics are limited and full of BA's usual words but it has a soothing almost spiritual touch.

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 09:25 (two weeks ago) link

"She's in Fashion" is amazing! I know it's not their most loved single, but I find it a rush, and as a late discoverer of the band, it was one of the first tracks that grabbed me. "Everything Will Flow" also great. Love the shiny production on both tracks, though have never given the album a listen

Vinnie, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 15:55 (two weeks ago) link

"Head Music" def. continues in the OTT eccentric production vein of "Coming Up."

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 16:04 (two weeks ago) link

re : "She's in Fashion", I remember reading at the time that BA was certain it was going to be a big hit/n°1. It wasn't.

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 16:07 (two weeks ago) link

xp I should get around to checking it out then! I've never been put off by the production of Coming Up

I am with BA on that one

Vinnie, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 16:10 (two weeks ago) link

Well the production on HM is OTT in a different way + the songs are simply (mostly) not good.

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 16:17 (two weeks ago) link

"She's in Fashion" is nice but besides the production, it lacks something to be very good.
It's too superficial/shallow imo (well, that's fasion for you !).

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 16:19 (two weeks ago) link


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