Let's discuss Rick Ross' "Teflon Don"

"MC Hammer" blew my mind last night.

i'm about to listen to this album, i predict that i will like it a lot

i feel like the relative critical love of his last album was one wave too early, and this album is getting rightful praise

the biggest asset in this album's favor is it's run time -- 'deeper than rap' was waaayyy too long

also had too many tracks about chicks

'teflon don' will get 10x better if you replace "super high" with the remix

should i cut-and-paste my 50-post Rick Ross tirade from twitter?

pretty good album, Albert Anastacia EP is better to me though ("Knife Fight"! "Gotti Family!" "White Sand".. that shit is crazy)... don't really like "Maybach Music 3," the first one is still the best one, "I'm Not A Star", "Tears of Joy" and "Aston Martin Music" are the best tracks on this one (besides "BMF"), "Audio Meth" with Raekwon and "Mafia Music 2" should've been on the album...

yes you should @somedude

Only the bits that will inspire Terius-thread-worthy ire, some dude.

"Audio Meth" with Raekwon and "Mafia Music 2" should've been on the album...

yes

i feel like him releasing a "mafia music" that's better than any song on the actual album should be a ross tradition

Even tho I basically like him now, it still mystifies me that he has become one of the biggest rap stars.

I love how this album is at once lush yet spare.

"Mafia Music" was on Deeper Than Rap, wasn't it?

it still mystifies me that he has become one of the biggest rap stars

Dude's got charisma -- he's a dirtier, funnier Heavy D.

he really blacked out on the third verse of "I'm Not A Star," though... for real.

Best Jay-Z verse in a long time.

The song with Raphael Saadiq is terrible, mostly for Saadiq's contributions.

The one with the call-and-response harmony? It's cute.

ha, i think the intro of my 'trilla' review is apropos here (excuse the sloppy prose)

Rick Ross, though you may not be aware of it, is one of the most successful rappers in music right now. That said, he’s an odd case. Unlike with Jay-Z, Kanye West or T.I., you won’t see any of Ross’ albums appearing on a year-end list on this website, in Rolling Stone or probably even XXL. And unlike 50 Cent, another hugely popular but critically reviled rapper, Ross has neither a unanimously acclaimed album nor single in his past. Yet, Trilla, his second album, sold 198,000 copies in its first week out, despite the fact that the album’s big lead single peaked on the Billboard Hot 100 at #87, and that his face showed up on as many magazine covers as mine did.

Not only does all this make Ross a confounding presence, but also a pretty important one. If middle-schoolers aren’t buying Ross’ albums with their birthday money—and all indications are that they aren’t—than who exactly is vaulting this dude over chart mainstays like Snoop Dogg and the Now collection? The answer has to be rap fans, meaning Rick Ross—the rapper who will forever remain infamous for rhyming “Atlantic” with “Atlantic”—is galvanizing rap’s core fan base like only its most visible pop stars can. Common and UGK, two rap acts whose last albums also went #1 despite minimal pop crossover, share peer boosterism with Ross, but they’ve been around. Their number ones felt owed to them. Ross on the other hand, hasn’t influenced a whole generation of successful rappers (and even though I like Trilla, and him in general, I hope he never does).

Jay's "Light Up" verse >>>>> his "free mason" verse IMO.

"Mafia Music" was on Deeper Than Rap, wasn't it?

― ksh is my clone (The Reverend), Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:41 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

maybe it was a "bonus track"

i think it was cool that ross developed that super luxurious, expensive sounding... sound on 'deeper than rap' but lex luger's crunk revivalism really agrees with him

yeah Ross' success still kind of confuses me a bit, "BMF" being the biggest street record out right now is kind of baffling tgiven the whole c.o. thing... but I guess if the music's good..

Jay's "Light Up" verse >>>>> his "free mason" verse IMO.

― The Brainwasher, Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:43 PM (25 seconds ago) Bookmark

Both are great, but his more agile flow is back on "Free Mason," which I miss from Jay. But "Light Up" probably has more memorable lines.

I have a feeling Lex Luger is going keep recycling the same beat, but I kind of like everything I've heard by him so far... he did this new Fab song that's kind of dope

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=tOxjY-scrpM

His flow on "Free Mason" is great but the verses are meh.

Wasn't "Mafia Music" the first track on Deeper Than Rap?? Or are you talking another remix?

xxpost

"Mafia Music" was the opening track!

alright my bad

the thing about BMF is that the "I THINK I'M BIG MEECH" part is an awesome hook that's fun to shout/make fun of/parody

the audacity of it in the context of his past adds an extra layer of awesomeness

it's the big day, y'all! can't wait to not buy Rick Ross's album and avoid his music as much as possible! Tuesday, July 20, 2010 9:21:38 AM via web

bout to not get in the car and not go to the record store to not cop that Teflon Don! let's go!! Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:13:32 AM via web

I'm about to not take the wrapper off the Ross CD and not bang that shit all day! can't wait to listen to Gucci and T.I. and Jeezy instead! Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:20:45 AM via web

support southern hip hop, y'all! it's not like anyone from Outkast just dropped a dope album! Rick Ross is your only choice! BAWSE! Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:22:51 AM via web

I'll always remember the day I bought Carter 2, King, Underground Kingz, The Recession...and the day I didn't buy Teflon Don Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:26:39 AM via web

go buy Teflon Don! it's 2 tracks shorter than the 'EP' Rick Ross released for free 2 months ago, so you're getting your money's worth! Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:29:07 AM via web

everybody support Rick Ross today! he's rich, well fed, and not very talented, so he deserves your money! Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:31:22 AM via web

I think I'm Rick Ross...I've never sold drugs and I'm not good at rapping. hey, maybe I AM Rick Ross! Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:36:04 AM via web

Teflon Don, y'all! I haven't been this excited to not buy an album since Thank Me Later! Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:37:31 AM via web

the illest rapper in 2010 has a beard, a bald head and a gut...you know who I'm talking about! what's up, Freeway! Stimulus Package out now! Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:45:34 AM via web

man I had so much fun not listening to Teflon Don this morning, I'm gonna not put it on repeat and bump that shit all day! Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:46:24 AM via web

enough jokes, y'all, I am going to guy buy Teflon Don today...I need a new drink coaster Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:10:37 AM via web

decided to buy TEN copies of Teflon Don...gonna tape 'em together, use it as a doorstop. and take the discs out... play frisbee with my son Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:16:57 AM via web

just got back from the beach...it's official! Not Rick Ross is the pefect summer soundtrack! Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:15:28 PM via web

everyone I saw today at the beach was not listening to Rick Ross, it was like we were all part of the same special club, great feeling. Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:16:41 PM via web

ALL I DO IS SCREAM SCREAM SCREAM NO MATTER WHAT, ACT LIKE I LOST MY MIND EVEN IF THE SONG SUCKS Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:54:12 PM via web

AND WHEN I STEP UP IN THE BUILDING, EVERYBODY TURNS THEIR BACK.......................................................................... Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:54:35 PM via web

..............................................................................................................AND THEY STAY THERE Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:55:08 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss dropped a classic verse everyone kept quoting on that DJ Khaled record? ...wait that was Lil Wayne Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:56:34 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss singlehandedly made Slip N Slide Records a brand name? ...wait that was Trick Daddy Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:57:44 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss made trap music popular and changed the sound of southern rap? ...wait that was T.I. Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:58:52 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss put Miami on the map? ...wait that was Luke Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:59:11 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss did R&B songs so ill that he made women love his fat boy swag? ...wait that was Biggie Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:00:42 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss made Def Jam start seriously promoting southern rappers? ...wait that was Luda Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:01:51 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss lived an infamous life of crime? ...wait that was Freeway Ricky Ross Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:02:31 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss made just calling himself "the boss" seem like a fly nickname? ...wait that was Slim Thug Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:33:04 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss told us the truth about his life? ...wait that was The Smoking Gun Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:33:21 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss made Maybachs and cigars and expensive suits cool in hip hop? ...wait that was Jay-Z Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:40:26 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss had the nicest titties in Miami rap? ...wait that was Trina Tuesday, July 20, 2010 4:07:12 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss made a hundred cheesy R&B singles but you kinda grudgingly respected how he pulled it off? ...wait that was Plies Tuesday, July 20, 2010 4:08:14 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss bagged Foxy Brown in her prime? ...wait that was Jay-Z Tuesday, July 20, 2010 4:19:07 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss kept his fat ass relevant by getting on every DJ Khaled record next to bigger stars? ...wait that was Fat Joe AND Ross Tuesday, July 20, 2010 4:22:45 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss wasn't getting any shine but dropped dope guest verses on every Slip-N-Slide album? ...wait that was Duece Poppi Tuesday, July 20, 2010 4:23:25 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss had the best verse on a Rick Ross song? ...wait that was Jay-Z/Lil Wayne/Young Jeezy/T.I./Kanye/Gucci Mane/etc. Tuesday, July 20, 2010 4:42:54 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss made wearing sunglasses bigger than your face cool? ...wait that was probably some other Miami douchebag Tuesday, July 20, 2010 4:28:33 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss stepped his game up after weak early records to be one of the best rappers in the south? ...wait that was Gucci Mane Tuesday, July 20, 2010 4:45:26 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss wrote a memorable hook for a Rick Ross single? ...wait that was T-Pain/Ne-Yo/Avery Storm/John Legend/R. Kelly/etc. Tuesday, July 20, 2010 4:46:56 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss picked a bunch of great beats and guests for Rick Ross's albums? ...wait that was Def Jam's A&R department Tuesday, July 20, 2010 4:51:17 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss made that 50 Cent/Ross beef really hilarious and entertaining? ...wait that was 50 Tuesday, July 20, 2010 4:54:10 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss said "crab meats"? ...yeah that was him. Tuesday, July 20, 2010 5:07:30 PM via web

apparently God doesn't have any influence at Def Jam RT @ezewriter God Hates whack rappers. Tuesday, July 20, 2010 5:48:38 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss rapped with incredible breath control for a man of his considerable girth? ...wait that was Big Pun. Tuesday, July 20, 2010 5:49:46 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss brought smiles to the faces of the world's children with his bushy beard and big belly? ...wait that was Santa Tuesday, July 20, 2010 5:51:31 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss made the song that gets stuck in everyone's head at the mere mention of Miami? ...wait that was Will Smith Tuesday, July 20, 2010 7:43:08 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss ensured that any future victory for Miami will be a hollow one? ...wait that was Lebron AND Rick Tuesday, July 20, 2010 7:43:41 PM via web

#rememberwhenRickRoss provided you with actual entertainment on the release date of his 4th album? wait that was me. Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:32:58 PM via web

what a constant source of lols that was

fire

dom's was freaking hilarious too

#rememberwhenRickRoss was the most respected correctional officer out there?... wait that was Edie Falco's character in Oz.
2:09 PM Jul 20th via web

that was very funny, must admit. would read again.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA those Tweets are fucking gold. I'm dying here. hahahahaha

listening on headphones, "live fast, die young" is kind of a mess of a production -- not sure that vocal sample really fits with the orchestral feel of the rest of the thing

who produced that song on the drake album that also bit that "no games" riddim a la "live fast, die young"

diddy's verse on this is so hilarious

first of all, bragging about being the first person to write a check for haiti is incredibly crass even by rap standards

also is there any more of a transparent way to show that rick ross ghostwrote a verse for you than by rhyming "maryland" and "marilyn"

'teflon don' will get 10x better if you replace "super high" with the remix

― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:35 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

this is my most otm post on ilx

yeah "live fast die young" is crap. it feels stuffed into the album, kind of the only thing in it that does but i guess it woudn't be a rick ross album without that

"tears of joy" makes that song totally unnecessary

also is there any more of a transparent way to show that rick ross ghostwrote a verse for you than by rhyming "maryland" and "marilyn"

― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:55 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

Totally. The moment Diddy starting rapping I KNEW Ricky wrote that verse for him.

who produced that song on the drake album that also bit that "no games" riddim a la "live fast, die young"

― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:53 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark

Are you talking about "Show Me a Good Time?" Kanye...

I think the song's alright, but with those vocal samples undernearth it's all too cluttered.

ha, figures

Yeah, they work on the Drake, not here.

nah they were shit on the drake album too

I dunno, they worked with the "scratched" chorus and it's like Kanye's trying to prove he's back-to-the-basics with the nod to the boom-bap, and I think it works. There's enough space on the track for them to be effective.

"aston martin music" is really good

Yep. That should be the closer.

ah shit I didn't mean Family Matters I meant Fresh Prince of Bel Air

um yeah Uncle Phil

._.

no wait shakey i got it! he's cedric the entertainer! kenan thompson!

rmde

Grimace (both the mcdonald's mascot and my reaction to posts above)

http://p.twimg.com/AdCsL9oCEAEiRAG.jpg

BIG MEECH

omg

tremendous!

now there's an artist I'd love to commission work from

#rememberwhenRickRoss was the most respected correctional officer out there?... wait that was Edie Falco's character in Oz.
2:09 PM Jul 20th via web

― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Friday, July 23, 2010 12:09 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark

omg!

heard you liked rick ross pumpkin faces so we hanged a rick ross pumpkin face from your rick ross pumpkin face

http://s7.postimage.org/kh77uh02z/BUTTERFLY.jpg

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/album-reviews/id.1824/title.rick-ross-rich-forever-mixtape-review

pretty worthless website, normally just ignore but I got a great laugh out of

"His lyrical dexterity comes to screeching halt on Yella Diamonds when every one of his bars ends with the same noun."

lol at dude who has never heard of internal rhyming.

"the same noun"

the great thing about that is that in the clean version it becomes an end-rhyme

"aston martin music" is really good

― ASBO slice (J0rdan S.), Friday, July 23, 2010 1:14 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

cannot be said enough

it would be one of my favorite rick ross songs if you edited it down to just the rick ross parts. as is, fuck it.

Ha, I easily prefer the epic extended version with Drake feeling like all four members of Color Me Badd. Also, why would you want to cut Chrisette?

even the drake parts are good on aston martin music. that's how good it is.

"too doo what I had too doo" and "as...ton...mar...tin...myoo...zeek" are shitty hooks imo

"Aston Martin Music" makes me kinda get, so briefly, what other people see in Drake. Every note he sings comes as a surprise, I suspect to himself more than anyone else.

yeah he def sounds like he's making it up as he goes along

it's 2015 and this album still sounds great

the whole thing is excellent but MC Hammer -> BMF -> Aston Martin Music is my favorite part

Yeah this is all time for me, too. One of those rare records where the monster singles are perfectly balanced with the album cuts

What's the consensus on dude's post-peak music, Mastermind / Black Market? I dig the beats on Black Market a lot, no "B.M.F."-like material but I honestly don't care about that sound. Also it's the only reason I know Scott Storch and JR Rotem still exist, I forgot that Rotem in particular is probably the hackiest producer ever but the Mariah Carey remake is good

also is dude Nas's favorite new-school rapper or something (relatively-speaking,) he seems to collaborate with him a decent amount

He's the only current rapper I listen to. I think Mastermind is great, don't love Black Dollar/Black Market as much but they're solid albums.

Mastermind had a couple tracks that are among my favorite songs of the last few years.

War Ready
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax9YLJ8Wt5Q

Blk & Wht
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI86g6eQOfs

I like "War Ready" but find the end of it kinda unnerving. As far as Black Dollar/Market, not sure why "Money Dance" is >7 minutes but it's cool cuz that's a great vibe-out beat

Still don't care about dude's rapping with a couple exceptions I can think of ("Foreclosures,") but it doesn't get in the way for me, idk how much of it is just thinking dude doesn't have the greatest voice for rap -- I definitely prefer Nas's verse on "One of Us" for instance but it's not like they're flowing all that different.

I didn't even realize him & Jeezy dropped albums at the end of last year for a bit

hard to listen to any of his later stuff imo

nothing off Mastermind appeals?

it was interesting while it was on

I haven't heard this album in years but I suspect I'll still love it.

teflon don is classic. pretty much everything around this era was

I can't imagine reaching for any Rick Ross album other than Teflon Don or Rich Forever, but Mastermind was interesting because, along with all of Ross's Harry Fraud and Nas collabs, it revealed what a traditionalist the guy is. Made it really easy to imagine a scenario where he spends the rest of his career just playing to the "real rap" crowd, releasing solid but unexciting LPs that never change much kinda like Wu-Tang and Boot Camp and all those old New York types do.

Kinda a funny turn for a guy who began his career so reviled by traditionalists.

i'd listen to deeper than rap too.

Albert Anastasia

Even the triple c’s has a couple joints

nicki minaj is not a thing i am meant to put in my mouth

― lex pretend, Friday, October 14, 2011 7:54 PM bookmarkflaglink

10 years old today

still awesome btw

started sellin dope, was 2 legit 2 quit

strange choice to put "bmf" and "mc hammer" at the back end of the album. maybe stacking it with "i'm not a star" at the beginning would've been tough peak to descend from

this album is a window back into better days so I spin it a lot

i'm gonna JFK
like JFK
and my JFK
is a J... EFF KAYYYYYY

― I think I'm Princess Peach... King Koopa (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, August 4, 2010 8:23 AM (3 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I STILL hear this in my head when I think of this song almost 13 years later, lmao.

still love this album and inexplicably been bumping it again the last few weeks. feels a little weird blasting BMF in my car in fuckin' 2023 with the world going to hell and falling apart but y'know, whadya gonna do

Sorry to butt in but since this is at the top now, can anyone kindly direct me to the current hip hop thread? I mostly want to work though my cognitive dissonance over some Confederate flag crap Westside Gunn posted — I just should probably just let it go right. This is old news to most hip hop heads.

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