The Who: Eminence Front

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i would just like to celebrate this groove.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGSEJT465vQ

hobbes, Thursday, 27 May 2010 05:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

i mean, god bless keith moon i'm so sorry, but those drums are massive

hobbes, Thursday, 27 May 2010 05:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

the whole thing is awesome

hobbes, Thursday, 27 May 2010 05:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

stay away from the '97 reissue of it's hard, where they correct roger and pete's vocals off-time vocals on the first chorus.

hobbes, Thursday, 27 May 2010 05:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's definitely brilliant/underrated, but Moon could be funky when he wanted to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uuMJ0AhyVo

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Thursday, 27 May 2010 05:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh yeah, no doubt. keith really got down all over the place on live at leeds, for instance. i might be biased because i'm a huge fan of kenny jones' drumming on faces records; this isn't quite the same style, but it still has his hard hitting bite.

hobbes, Thursday, 27 May 2010 05:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

"it's a put on"

velko, Thursday, 27 May 2010 06:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

idk guys, seems like a staler, less interesting cousin of "baba o'reilly"... nb: all imo fyiyd

_▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 27 May 2010 06:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

have always loved this jam

in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 27 May 2010 06:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

The Who and the Kinks were the only two original British Invasion bands that could still Rock Out in their 40s...

Lady, Saturday, 12 June 2010 17:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

always thought this was peter gabriel

del griffith, Sunday, 21 September 2014 16:59 (three years ago) Permalink

You were confusing it with "She's So Funky, Yeah."

Code Money Changes Everything (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 21 September 2014 18:16 (three years ago) Permalink

Whereas this one is "Living in Funk."

Code Money Changes Everything (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 21 September 2014 18:17 (three years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

FUCK THIS SONG

rip van wanko, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 13:19 (two years ago) Permalink

sorry dad(s)

rip van wanko, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 13:19 (two years ago) Permalink

FUCK THIS SONG

― rip van wanko,

^^ it's a put-on

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 13:20 (two years ago) Permalink

"it's a put on"

― velko, Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:27 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

rip van wanko, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 13:21 (two years ago) Permalink

it's just too much the safe go-to tasteful/sophisticated jam for boomers who never ventured anywhere beyond

rip van wanko, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 13:25 (two years ago) Permalink

there are more risible suspects

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 13:28 (two years ago) Permalink

everyone needs to take a deep breath and watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn2cARUVg-s

pplains, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 13:35 (two years ago) Permalink

It wasn't a hit when it was released (#68), but it endured in the Who's live sets mainly because Townshend loved/loves (they played it last night!) soloing on that groove, and to give Daltrey a break from singing.

From what I've observed at shows, boomers tolerate this song; they dig the solos, but can't get down with it otherwise.

It's less that boomers never ventured beyond, and more that they don't even really want to venture here.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 13:36 (two years ago) Permalink

and many boomers didn't buy It's Hard.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 13:40 (two years ago) Permalink

Fuckin' New Wave sell outs…

http://i.imgur.com/G8KkPH2.jpg

pplains, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 13:45 (two years ago) Permalink

Daltrey:

"It's Hard should never have been released. I had huge rows with Pete...when the album was finished and I heard it I said, 'Pete, this is just a complete piece of shit and it should never come out!' It came out because as usual we were being manipulated at that time by other things. The record company wanted a record out and they wanted us to do a tour. What I said to Pete was, 'Pete, if we'd tried to get any of these songs onto Face Dances, or any of the albums that we've done since our first fucking album, we would not allow these songs to be on an album! Why are we releasing them? Why? Let's just say that was an experience to pull the band back together, now let's go and make an album.' He said, 'Too late. It's good enough, that's how we are now.'...I hated it. I still hate it. Hate it, hate it, hate it!"

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 13:55 (two years ago) Permalink

Weird that Athena charted higher in the U.S. than Eminence Front.

pplains, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 13:57 (two years ago) Permalink

people forget

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 14:01 (two years ago) Permalink

I think people were sick of the Who by the time "Eminence Front" was released as a single. There'd been the whole media blitz around the "farewell" tour for months (including, but not limited to, Schlitz ads), and the single came out a week after the tour ended.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 14:01 (two years ago) Permalink

One of my favorite and most enduring tracks from them; with concept! Poseur-fucks.

I think people were sick of the Who by the time "Eminence Front" was released as a single.

...and maybe people were just sick of previous crappy singles like "Squeeze Box", "You Better You Bet" and "Athena"

bodacious ignoramus, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 18:21 (two years ago) Permalink

Eminence Front is a great track and always will be, come on now.

SCHLITZ MIXED BAG (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 18:39 (two years ago) Permalink

Won't you come and join the party

Better Call White People (salthigh), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 18:41 (two years ago) Permalink

xxp whoa, whoa, let's not drag "You Better You Bet" into this

I might like you better if we Yelped together (Phil D.), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 18:57 (two years ago) Permalink

and I always liked "Squeeze Box." Not their best, but a nice goofy single to remind fans that they used to be all about goofy singles.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:05 (two years ago) Permalink

hey guys, why you posing on a staircase

http://i.imgur.com/cLZzk63.jpg

pplains, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:14 (two years ago) Permalink

I had never heard this song until about a year ago and was pretty astounded when I heard it. It's a terrible song.

Immediate Follower (NA), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:23 (two years ago) Permalink

"You Better You Bet" is terrible. "You welcome me with open arms...and open LEGS."

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:30 (two years ago) Permalink

Back in, I guess the late 80s, when I was first getting into music and my budget was tight and since I didn't have any older siblings & my parents didn't exactly have a lot of records (or the ones they had were dumb), I would resort to checking out records from the library. I was really into the Who, I had Tommy and I wanted more but the only two Who records they had were Faces Dances and It's Hard.

Even at 13 I knew It's Hard sucked. I'll fuck with "Eminence Front" though, even though...what the hell is the song about?

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:32 (two years ago) Permalink

"You Better You Bet" is terrible. "You welcome me with open arms...and open LEGS."

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, April 28, 2015 2:30 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have a weird love/hate relationship with that lyric and with Daltrey's bizarre delivery of it.

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:33 (two years ago) Permalink

I've heard Faces Dances way more than any normal person should

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:34 (two years ago) Permalink

Face Dances[ has a couple of jams. "Another Tricky Day" used to get a lot of Classic VH-1 play a decade ago – a better New Wave tune than YBYB.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:37 (two years ago) Permalink

Daltrey didn't know what the fuck to do with what Townshend was writing in 1981-82. Townshend's singing on his demo is better -- it sounds like he was actually drunk when he recorded the vocal (and odds are, he was), whereas Daltrey was doing a forced impression of someone who's drunk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKI1B_MeGDo

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:39 (two years ago) Permalink

and I LOOK pretty crappy SOMETIMEZZ

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:48 (two years ago) Permalink

I actually can't comprehend not liking this song. I don't believe the people who claim to hate or dislike it here.

chinavision!, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:49 (two years ago) Permalink

Why didn't Townshend write a concept album about Greek gods? Hera, Demeter, Poseidon, Ares. I wouldn't have put it past him.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:50 (two years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxy9wa1Fg3s

scott seward, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:53 (two years ago) Permalink

Even at 13 I knew It's Hard sucked. I'll fuck with "Eminence Front" though, even though...what the hell is the song about?

― chr1sb3singer

People using drugs or constructed personas as a facade to keep from being "real".

bodacious ignoramus, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:54 (two years ago) Permalink

Townshend's singing on his demo is better -- it sounds like he was actually drunk when he recorded the vocal (and odds are, he was)

Actually that whole song makes more sense if you think about it being sung by or just being from the perspective of a drunk person

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:55 (two years ago) Permalink

This song is swag as fuck

brimstead, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 01:27 (two years ago) Permalink

it's just too much the safe go-to tasteful/sophisticated jam for boomers who never ventured anywhere beyond

oh god here we go, tasteful sophisticated smooth slick commercial overproduced bandwagon-hopping soulless desperate cod safe soft unadventurous

brimstead, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 01:31 (two years ago) Permalink

roger: Why are we releasing them? Why? Let's just say that was an experience to pull the band back together, now let's go and make an album.

pete: Too late. It's good enough, that's how we are now.

i love that pete quote. reminds me of a great line from lorne michaels in the new saturday night live documentary: "we don't go on because we're ready. we go on because it's 11:30."

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 03:14 (two years ago) Permalink

I love the hypnotic keyboard and I'd bet that it some Roland beat machine loop under the intro ala 'In the Air Tonight' with that fat beat, bass line, rhodes keys and scratchy guitar. As a production, I think it holds up pretty well.

The "drunk myself blind to the sounds of old T-Rex" has to even out the "open arms, open legs" line surely somewhat.

earlnash, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 05:01 (two years ago) Permalink

Bass nerd note: the isolated track makes it easier to hear that Entwistle isn't playing standard slap bass here; it's mostly what he called his "typewriter style". He's slapping/tapping the fingers of his right hand against the fretboard. He was a really weird player and a lot of his later career tonal moves were influenced by his increasing deafness, which doesn't make them less cool sounding.

Three Word Username, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 06:24 (two years ago) Permalink

Yeah, totally. His rig got larger/more insane as his hearing loss progressed. By all accounts, he was stone deaf in his last few years, and suffered far more hearing loss than anyone else in the Who -- but he also toured during their downtime, going out-of-pocket (and heavily into debt) to keep his solo band on the road in the 90s and 00s. He loved playing live/loud so much that he just kept turning up the volume.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 14:19 (two years ago) Permalink

When they played it tonight, it got one of the bigger initial responses from the mostly 50+ crowd.

Zachary Taylor, Thursday, 30 April 2015 04:50 (two years ago) Permalink

Sometimes, people forget (because they're growing senile.)

pplains, Thursday, 30 April 2015 13:25 (two years ago) Permalink

I'm not a fan of the new arrangement. Zak Starkey's lack of Jonesy swing and Simon Townshend's self-consciously pseudo-funky wah-wah bit deflate the groove.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 30 April 2015 13:46 (two years ago) Permalink

I really like EMINENCE FRONT "it's a put on"

the pinefox, Thursday, 30 April 2015 14:37 (two years ago) Permalink

wait, is the who just people's kids now? is nigel daltrey the singer?

scott seward, Thursday, 30 April 2015 14:46 (two years ago) Permalink

they're becoming the justice society of rock. in a few years the who will be made up entirely of the descendants of the greats of decades past.

bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 30 April 2015 14:51 (two years ago) Permalink

http://i.imgur.com/bY9JEp6.jpg

pplains, Thursday, 30 April 2015 14:52 (two years ago) Permalink

it just occurred to me that i don't know anything about the who's love life. probably for the best.

scott seward, Thursday, 30 April 2015 15:07 (two years ago) Permalink

check Pete's credit card statement from '02.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 April 2015 15:10 (two years ago) Permalink

Daltrey's been happily married since 1971. Townshend was married from 1968-1994; his bender during the Psychoderelict tour was the last straw for his wife. He's been with musician Rachel Fuller since 1995 or so (pretty sure she contributed an arrangement or two to Endless Wire).

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 30 April 2015 15:27 (two years ago) Permalink

this is weird, my headphones are fucked up or something, maybe missing a stereo channel? And listening to this track I can barely heard the synth but everything else is loud and clear. This muscley guitar warmup session, definitely missing something but I had barely noticed this had a lead guitar part before. Recommended!

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 30 April 2015 18:56 (two years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV5-DaI5ULg

or wait it's just this Youtube. Is this an alternate take? What's going on?

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 30 April 2015 19:00 (two years ago) Permalink

Yeah, this is the official video, but an alternate/live/soundcheck take (Capital Center, Largo, MD 9/22/82).

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 30 April 2015 19:05 (two years ago) Permalink

Ahhhhhh, dig it. It's cool! In no way would replace the studio recording, but it's revealing.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 30 April 2015 19:21 (two years ago) Permalink

I had to go back and look at where this placed on the classic rock poll - just cracked the top 100 at #99.

SCHLITZ MIXED BAG (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 30 April 2015 19:43 (two years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

it's a putin

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 13 July 2017 22:33 (four months ago) Permalink


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