Ministry. S&D.

How is "Burning Inside" more structurally complex than "Stigmata"?

id say they arent interchangable, but mostly because of the shift from keys/samples/drum machine to geetars/drumming as musical focus

if it wasnt for land of rape and honey, my favorite ministry album would prob be Rabies by Skinny Puppy when I really think about it

oh duh wait never mind, twitch exists. lol @ me

^^^ unsurprisingly I think jjj is OTM

it's not like he was writing different types of songs, he was just using different types of instruments

still don't think executive slacks get enough cred/love as far as american industrorock pioneering goes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zHsJZTZo5o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AV7LcUM2RM

and they went jockrock by 1986. and started wearing mirror shades.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIaYZi4e5TY

wish i still owned all their albums. i think i had everything they ever put out. i better go buy them again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srmoSEs7GH0

btw listening to Mind... in its entirety for the first time in years and the idea that droning on six minutes instead of four is "a general increase in structural complexity" is incredibly funny

Love "Mind."

12" Singles > Twitch > LORAH > With Sympathy > Mind > everything else

http://www.davidbergman.net/blogpics/20080501_Ministry_sm_0145.jpg

my favorite ministry album would prob be Rabies by Skinny Puppy when I really think about it

Says more about the quality of Skinny Puppy's worst album etc

Never liked Ministry AT ALL but recently really really got into Twitch

ya Twitch is bad ass

Twitch was always my favorite.

And xxpp -- I obviously wanted to include Big Black, but couldn't, since they're not on Rhapsody (which I assume was Albini's decision -- his other bands aren't on there, either.)

i like twitch a bunch. and i liked the first album and singles too. and i think land of rape & honey is the last really cohesive/good slbum he did. but there is good stuff on the albums that came after.

chuck, isn't there a way to add this song to your column? 1986!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgTHmlVmP78

feel like half of wax trax could have been directly inspired by ex slacks. and the other half by the country of belgium.

i like twitch a bunch. and i liked the first album and singles too. and i think land of rape & honey is the last really cohesive/good slbum he did. but there is good stuff on the albums that came after.

this is known as the "Ministry Truthbomb"

I feel like Psalm 69 is more the departure into undifferentiated, shitty industrial metal. Mind is still pretty good. Except the rap song.

I like "Burning Inside" and the final two instrumentals and I can enjoy "Thieves" if I'm in the right mood. The rest of the album doesn't grab me at all.

gosh.
did not expect to see AoC in the list.
and so glad to see some love for Wiseblood .. i love that collab ..

Wiseblood is awesome in every way, as is twitch, which i am listening to right now.

but guys
i listened to filth pig and sorta pretended it was some unknown band and it wasnt totally awful for the first 2.5 songs and then it once again turned into an endless slog. i think my hate is diminished because knowing what i know now my expectations were v v low, vs when i bought it on release day and was pretty much slapped in the face with slow low droney

ok there are literally no bad tracks on twitch. holy shit man, i gotta spend more time w/old stuff i love. its like all the best parts of front 242 and EBM with really great vocals.

Here's how good Twitch is: the worst song on it is "We Believe".

I started with Psalm 69, so I still have a nostalgic attachment to it (got my first speeding ticket bc I was rocking out too hard to 'Scarecrow' & ignoring the speedometer)....but Twitch and Land of Rape and Honey are my older-wiser favorites :)

I also see a bunch of Neubauten's "Yu-Gung" reflected back in Ministry, especially (for obvious reasons) the Sherwood remix. I also want to say there's some Slayer in there, but that may be the post-Psalm material.

The singles from Psalm 69 are much better than the album tracks. The long versions of "Jesus Built My Hotrod," "N.W.O." and especially "Just One Fix" all crush the album versions.

I didn't know that about the other two songs! I had the Jesus maxi single for about half a year before the album came out and I remember being disappointed by the shorter Jesus and by TV II.

The "Just One Fix" single has an extended version of the song that's about eight minutes long, plus a track that's Ministry laying crunchy noises down behind William S. Burroughs for about five minutes.

don't see any big dropoff until after psalm 69, myself. came in on land of rape and honey (which i loved, headphone staple the year of its release), worked back to twitch, anticipated and loved both TMIATTT and psalm 69, though i definitely preferred the former to the latter. interest faded pretty quickly after that. 12" version of "jesus built my hot rod" is a blast.

"These are sensations as hard to forget
As they are to control.
Drag racing."

^

lol, i'd always skip that part, or better yet, just start the song over. must have listened to JBMHR like 20 times the day i bought it.

hey! listen, get this: nobody with a good car needs to worry about nothin', you understand?
yeah (hey!), i think i do
hey! listen, get this: nobody with a good car needs to be justified
and i'll tell you why...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bIYoQ42dBg

The whole Big Stick Drag Racing Underground album is great for the Jesus Built My Hotrod samples/nitro feel, tho I don't think that single is on it.

I have it on an LP that compiles 2 EPs I think - Drag Racing & Crack Attack. I think it's on Blast First? Or maybe Touch & Go.

i don't think I ever bought psalm despite loving Land and Mind. I did eventually download it but it was years and years later. To me they kind of ended with Mind, which is best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQozjL_Xi88

This is still probably Ministry's weirdest video ever. The fact that they used the 12" version for the video -- all 3 minutes of intro On-U sound drums -- is part of it. The other major part is the surprise(?) ending at 6:15. This was a cornerstone track for me... part On-U Sound, part Einsturzende Neubauten, part Dead Or Alive.

I should have looked for that video earlier. (And hi there, of course!)

"Everyday Is Halloween" is the song that made me notice Ministry but "Over the Shoulder" is the song that made me LOVE them (specifically that 12" version)

DEAD CATS HANGING FROM POLES

nobody with a good car needs to be justified

lol never realized this is from Hughes' Wise Blood before (such a great movie)

it is! love brad dourif so much in that movie. huston's though. john hughes' wise blood is a dream yet unfulfilled...

Uhh

http://i41.tinypic.com/34o8roj.jpg

whaaaat the fuck is that

New album, apparently. For some reason.

It's the worst album I've heard this year so far.