Mazzy Star : C or D

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pp, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Some potentially useful discussion here

electric sound of jim, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, and Classic by the way. But not as good as Opal. Ahem.

electric sound of jim, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

classic, if only for the fact that fade into you is my favorite song of all time

V, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

mazzy star concert i saw was probably my favorite show ever. i didn't know their music at all at the time. it was in the king cat theater in seattle, which has actual seats and such (comfy ones too). so when they started playing, the room was very dim. after a quiet intro, the music kicked in and all of a sudden lights shone onto the disco ball and the room became a sparkly snowflake slowdance and it was sooper groovy. i dont listen to em too much, but my fave song is definitely "into dust" more classic than dud. i remember liking the hope sandoval cd, but i havent listened to it enough.

Ron, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw them in Bristol about 7 years ago - great gig. A funny moment involved Hope Sandoval living up to her stroppy reputation outside the toilets, before the gig, with Jim/William Reid having to betray his stroppy reputation & try & lighten her mood. Re the music, I bought the first album on the strength of Halah alone - it's still my favourite track.

Jez, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I only have She Hangs Brightly, but it's stunning. Could there be a more pleasing sound than Hope's voice?

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

MS are great but Opal are greater.

Winkelmann, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Haven't heard Opal, but here's what I have to say:

Among My Swan is so-so and kinda forgettable. Bavarian Fruit Bread is good and kinda forgettable. So Tonight that... is great and very memorable. I would recommend this album to anyone.

Manny Parsons, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Oooooh you gotta hear Opal. It's like MS with the Velvets and Doors lavels jacked right up.. amazing.

electric sound of jim, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Mazzy Star has a few good songs on their albums but "Early Recordings" is a desert island disc for me.The order and the songs are perfect. Didn't Kendra Smith originally recommend Hope Sandoval to take her place? I think the reason was because she didn't like to tour. There's a bootleg of Opal in Berlin 1988 with Hope as singer.

brg30, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

six years pass...

Incredibly same-y, but very classic.

Granny Dainger, Monday, 13 October 2008 15:58 (twelve years ago) link

In my attempt at writing the dullest post ever, can I just say that "fade into you" is quite a good song?

Freedom, Monday, 13 October 2008 19:44 (twelve years ago) link

Neither. BTW, there should be an intermediate category for bands such as Mazzy Star, Strokes and so on. Not great but passable.

Vision, Monday, 13 October 2008 20:18 (twelve years ago) link

"So Tonight That I Might See" is brilliant, and not samey. It's one of the best albums of the 90s, if you ask me. Their other albums sound samey to me.

Dogface Chain (res), Monday, 13 October 2008 21:00 (twelve years ago) link

Not bad live as I recall.

Michael White, Monday, 13 October 2008 21:01 (twelve years ago) link

Beach House is sort of a watered down version of Mazzy Star's worst moments.

Dogface Chain (res), Monday, 13 October 2008 21:39 (twelve years ago) link

Beach House *really* sounds like Kendra Smith post Opal solo records.

Spencer Chow, Monday, 13 October 2008 22:36 (twelve years ago) link

seven months pass...

Now why did I forget how good of an album opener "Halah" is.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 June 2009 18:50 (twelve years ago) link


litcofsky, Thursday, 4 June 2009 21:30 (twelve years ago) link

man, whatever happened to Roback

Kool G Lapp (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 4 June 2009 21:32 (twelve years ago) link

he guested on Bert Jansch's last record ... but yeah, he sure dropped out.

tylerw, Thursday, 4 June 2009 21:33 (twelve years ago) link

feel like i read that mazzy star was planning a new album ... but that might've been like 8 years ago.

tylerw, Thursday, 4 June 2009 21:35 (twelve years ago) link

"Kevin said he'd produce the album for me after he got done with his."

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 June 2009 21:38 (twelve years ago) link

hee hee. from wikipedia: "In 2000, the band reunited for a mini-tour in Europe, which featured new songs that Sandoval later revealed in interviews would be on the new Mazzy Star record, which was also recorded during this time. However, these sessions were not released."

tylerw, Thursday, 4 June 2009 21:47 (twelve years ago) link

man, whatever happened to Roback

Wrote a couple songs for Maggie Cheung in this 2004 movie:

Other than that, probably just kicking back in Norway

Carroll Shelby Downard (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 4 June 2009 22:19 (twelve years ago) link

Capital C Classic. 'blue light' is an all-time fave song and 'so tonite i might see' would be a perfect album if '5 string serenade' was a verse & chorus shorter

6335, Thursday, 4 June 2009 23:38 (twelve years ago) link

i always think the third album is unfairly overlooked

the ring toun (electricsound), Thursday, 4 June 2009 23:46 (twelve years ago) link

Loved them unreservedly during their heyday. Need to listen again.

These people were not joking around with the sad! I observed/interacted with different members of the band at a few various points during the 90s, just pre-show bar activity & such. For the most part, I recall being struck by how sullen they were as a general rule, as if they had some major goth cred to uphold (but they didn't, really). At one point I observed Hope walking over to a remote corner in a shitty nightclub & crying silently to herself.

"alt-black" (Pillbox), Friday, 5 June 2009 05:41 (twelve years ago) link

I've been listening to "So Tonight That I Might See" a lot lately. It's really just . . . beautiful.

Fennec fox which does grooming (ENBB), Friday, 19 June 2009 04:48 (twelve years ago) link

^^^ fucking great album. I'm lukewarm about the first and third albums though. The first sounds kind of undeveloped to me, while the third's songs aren't as memorable.

Jesus Christ, Chiropractor at Law (res), Friday, 19 June 2009 06:19 (twelve years ago) link

This really is one of those perfect bands who should never, ever blemish their legacy by 'reuniting'

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Friday, 19 June 2009 07:28 (twelve years ago) link

i love mazzy star. the second album is prob the best but i usually feel more inclined to listen to the first. 'halah' indeed is an incredible opener and could even be my favorite song by them

haven't heard the third album tho

mark cl, Friday, 19 June 2009 13:08 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah after I posted that last night I listened to STTIMS in its entirety and I'm pretty certain it's just perfect. I do also really like She Hangs Brightly but don't reach for that as often. Never really got into the 3rd album.

Fennec fox which does grooming (ENBB), Friday, 19 June 2009 15:17 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah the 3rd album was a huge letdown for me at the time.

baaderonixx, Friday, 19 June 2009 15:18 (twelve years ago) link

First album is a stroke of genius, the perfect mix of druggy/hazy psych and folky beauty.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 19 June 2009 17:17 (twelve years ago) link

The only thing letdown I experienced from Among My Swan was due to the godawful title! I don't see where the big quality dropoff claims are rooted, being that it should have been pretty obvious to anyone who had been listening from the beginning (of MS or, better yet, going back to the band's days as Opal) that Roback et al only had a few tricks up his sleeve, which he just cycled through as needed on his albums. As such, any expectations for an evolutionary step forward from STTIMS would have been sorely misguided.

For the uninitiated, check out Opal's Early Recordings. You will not be disappointed.

lol? I nearly wtb 1 (Pillbox), Friday, 19 June 2009 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

I don't see where the big quality dropoff claims are rooted

I know every song on STTIMS, but I can only remember one on AMS despite many listens.

Jesus Christ, Chiropractor at Law (res), Friday, 19 June 2009 19:57 (twelve years ago) link

I'm still in love with Hope Sandoval's voice. They're music being quite simple I've never understood why I get completely immersed when listening to them. It's like the musical equivalent to heroine for me. And it's not nostalgia fueled either... I started listening to them about 5 years ago. Wish I was there when they still existed.

Moka, Friday, 19 June 2009 20:45 (twelve years ago) link

I don't really care for their homogeneity, either.

Moka, Friday, 19 June 2009 20:46 (twelve years ago) link

hope's warm jets album is way better than the last mazzy record.

tylerw, Friday, 19 June 2009 20:52 (twelve years ago) link

I can only remember one on AMS despite many listens

I got 3! 'Flowers in December', 'Disappear' and 'Take Everything'. But yeah, haven't a clue what else was on it.

Enemy Insects (NickB), Friday, 19 June 2009 21:02 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...

wow Hope Sandoval announces that a new Mazzy Star will come out.

baaderonixx, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 21:11 (twelve years ago) link

wow! got a link?

Mike Crandle, Financial Analyst, Bear Stearns, New York, NY 10185 (res), Wednesday, 8 July 2009 21:14 (twelve years ago) link

Didn't see that comin'.

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 21:15 (twelve years ago) link

Heard something about this today, forget where. I thought it was just a solo release.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 21:15 (twelve years ago) link

eh? all i got was this:

tylerw, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 21:16 (twelve years ago) link

(new warm inventions mp3)

tylerw, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 21:16 (twelve years ago) link

I got this in my mail today. Sorry bout the formatting...don't have time to fix:

Since the release of Mazzy Star's debut album She Hangs Brightly, Hope Sandoval has defined the sound and style of California psychedelic dream pop. The world took notice when the breakthrough single "Fade Into You" (from sophomore album So Tonight That I Might See) hit the airwaves and MTV heavy rotation. Sandoval's trademark vocals helped to make her a modern day music icon. Now the revered singer returns along side My Bloody Valentine's Colm O'Ciosoig to deliver her long awaited sophomore album Through The Devil Softly on September 1.
Over the past decade, the sought after vocalist has collaborated with artists from across the musical landscape: The Jesus & Mary Chain, Air, Death in Vegas, The Chemical Brothers, Massive Attack and Bert Jansch, to count a few.
In 2001, she joined Colm O'Ciosoig to form Hope Sandoval & the Warm Inventions and release their debut Bavarian Fruit Bread. Now on Through The Devil Softly, the definitive star of the Paisley Underground scene reignites her trademark sound in an epic journey across the 11-song album. The project continues the laid-back, slowcore sound they are renowned for and places Sandoval's sensuous, hypnotic voice in the forefront. Recorded in both Northern California and the Wicklow Mountains of Ireland, the spare, subtle arrangements reinforce Sandoval's gentle vocal style.
An extensive North American tour is planned for Fall 09, with dates in the UK and Europe to follow.
Grab the lead track 'Blanchard' instantly below:
Blanchard Mp3
Hope Sandoval Myspace
Hope Sandoval Facebook

dlp9001, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 21:20 (twelve years ago) link

oh it was a double A-side... "lay myself down" was the good one.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 15:39 (eight years ago) link

This track is soooooo good.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 15:53 (eight years ago) link

it's great how they do so much with so little. i need to figure out how they get that reverb.

Poliopolice, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 16:04 (eight years ago) link

cool stuff. was just listening to that hope sandoval solo record from ... wow, more than a decade ago? it is totally great.

tylerw, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 17:07 (eight years ago) link

three years pass...

RIP Keith Mitchell, the amazing drummer on all the Opal and Mazzy Star stuff:

Spencer Chow, Monday, 15 May 2017 17:59 (four years ago) link

Ah man, that's a shame. Truly the underrated factor in all that work.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 May 2017 18:02 (four years ago) link

:( RIP

Οὖτις, Monday, 15 May 2017 18:02 (four years ago) link

damn, that is too bad — very cool player.

tylerw, Monday, 15 May 2017 18:09 (four years ago) link

Aw, that's sad... RIP Mr. Mitchell, you made many great records!

erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 15 May 2017 18:18 (four years ago) link

ten months pass...

I'd dare to say I like the first Warm Inventions record better than *any* Mazzy Star record. Not that I don't like Mazzy ...

― tylerw, Thursday, November 19, 2009 12:36 PM (eight years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

somehow i never listened to bavarian fruit bread before but man it is killer, certainly as good as any mazzy record imo

marcos, Thursday, 29 March 2018 19:23 (three years ago) link


marcos, Thursday, 29 March 2018 19:24 (three years ago) link

The hunter record she recently brought out is solid too

tinnitus the night (Ross), Thursday, 29 March 2018 19:32 (three years ago) link

Everything she's ever done is good imo but nothing will top STTIMS for me.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 29 March 2018 19:33 (three years ago) link

yeah i may have been slightly exaggerating back in 2009, but whenever bavarian fruit bread comes on (it's a fave of my wife's) i'm struck by how good it is.

tylerw, Thursday, 29 March 2018 19:49 (three years ago) link

TBH i kinda feel that way about the second warm inventions record - through the devil softly - which gets more plays than any MS record around mine

caveat of course that i like mazzy star just fine but TTDS just hits the spot for me more consistently and deeply, it always feels a bit heretical when i tell friends tho'!

i saw the warm inventions tour that record and it was a really beautiful show (although i heard that some of the other dates on that tour were a bit troubled)

umsworth (emsworth), Thursday, 29 March 2018 21:38 (three years ago) link

four weeks pass...

New single is lovely:

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 27 April 2018 17:51 (three years ago) link

oooh, new EP in June! so happy they're in the studio these days

erry red flag (f. hazel), Friday, 27 April 2018 18:21 (three years ago) link

You made my day

done and dusted (Ross), Friday, 27 April 2018 18:47 (three years ago) link

eight months pass...

Mazzy Star are coming to Los Angeles:

February 26 & 27
The Cathedral Sanctuary at
Immanuel Presbyterian Church
Thu, 1/17 at 10am – Thu, 1/17 at 10pm
Public On Sale: Fri, 1/18 at 10am

Bee OK, Thursday, 17 January 2019 01:46 (two years ago) link

i think i need to go!

Bee OK, Thursday, 17 January 2019 01:46 (two years ago) link

they're really good live!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 17 January 2019 03:26 (two years ago) link

I think I might need to go too!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 17 January 2019 03:36 (two years ago) link

BTW, Hope Sandoval is on a Bobby Gentry tribute album, singing "Big Boss Man" - In Praise Of: Bobbie Gentry, "The Delta Sweete"

sbahnhof, Sunday, 20 January 2019 07:02 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

So I went to the Oakland show and one of the LA shows, and they were pretty magical. Especially the LA show in a gorgeous old church. Listening to the after-show banter at a nearby bar, was amused to hear how many fans were aggrieved that the stage was unlit so they couldn't get any good pictures or even see Hope Sandoval. They had a big screen with these animated overlays that changed for each song that was great though. Some fans don't know they're born.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 28 February 2019 22:35 (two years ago) link

i forgot all about these shows, glad you had fun Hazel.

Bee OK, Friday, 1 March 2019 22:45 (two years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Hoping for the best

😢Yesterday I got bad news, diagnosed with breast cancer. Still processing the whole thing. Please send healing thoughts and pics of puppies, kittens, snakes, tardigrade, and space things. Thanks.

— Suki Ewers 🎶💫✨🚀🛰🦠🧬🧪 (@sukianemone) February 20, 2020

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 21 February 2020 04:37 (one year ago) link

RIP David Roback.

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 22:51 (one year ago) link


Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 22:54 (one year ago) link

oh no, that is terrible news! one of my absolute favorites

avellano medio Inglés (f. hazel), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 23:09 (one year ago) link

RIP. Damn shame.

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 23:11 (one year ago) link


Mule, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 23:46 (one year ago) link

I just listened through the Mazzy-catalogue just the other day. Love them.

Mule, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 00:01 (one year ago) link

such a great sound, and enduring I still run across new bands of people in their 20s that are clearly influenced by Mazzy Star

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 00:04 (one year ago) link

so much "dreampop" owes them a huge debt

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 00:12 (one year ago) link

Mazzy Star were EVERYTHING to me in the early 90s, and led me to the wonders of Opal too. I'm really shocked.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 00:27 (one year ago) link


Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 00:37 (one year ago) link

RIP. She Hangs Brightly is all-time.

Har Mar Klobuchar (PBKR), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 02:55 (one year ago) link

some of the druggiest music ever made, it hangs in its own special hazy sweet spot and practically makes the walls drip when it's playing

(meant as high praise)

sleeve, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 03:11 (one year ago) link

The guitar tone of "Ghost Highway".

Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 05:57 (one year ago) link

This is horrible news. He meant a lot to the LA scene. RIP

Bee OK, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 06:44 (one year ago) link

No way... This really sucks. Amazing sounds and moods.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 09:56 (one year ago) link

Being quietly destroyed here by Still and Seasons of Your Day - inevitably I spent less time with them than the early records but there's no loss of magic.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 12:14 (one year ago) link

Cause of death is cancer. :-((

nathom, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 12:53 (one year ago) link

god these records sound SO GOOD, so much space, great sound, everything

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 17:33 (one year ago) link

yeah Among My Swan was sounding fantastic last night — I kind of slotted that one as the weakest of their original three records, but I think I was wrong. Just a totally enveloping soundworld/mood.

tylerw, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 18:25 (one year ago) link

“I wanted to make music that I felt and if people liked it, fine, otherwise the music would be enough reward.”

Har Mar Klobuchar (PBKR), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 18:39 (one year ago) link

Only just heard this news, fucking hell

ymo sumac (NickB), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 19:15 (one year ago) link

Extremely good article here, many reflections from friends and collaborators:

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 March 2020 20:15 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

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