Mazzy Star : C or D

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pp, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Some potentially useful discussion here

electric sound of jim, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, and Classic by the way. But not as good as Opal. Ahem.

electric sound of jim, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

classic, if only for the fact that fade into you is my favorite song of all time

V, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

mazzy star concert i saw was probably my favorite show ever. i didn't know their music at all at the time. it was in the king cat theater in seattle, which has actual seats and such (comfy ones too). so when they started playing, the room was very dim. after a quiet intro, the music kicked in and all of a sudden lights shone onto the disco ball and the room became a sparkly snowflake slowdance and it was sooper groovy. i dont listen to em too much, but my fave song is definitely "into dust" more classic than dud. i remember liking the hope sandoval cd, but i havent listened to it enough.

Ron, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I saw them in Bristol about 7 years ago - great gig. A funny moment involved Hope Sandoval living up to her stroppy reputation outside the toilets, before the gig, with Jim/William Reid having to betray his stroppy reputation & try & lighten her mood. Re the music, I bought the first album on the strength of Halah alone - it's still my favourite track.

Jez, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I only have She Hangs Brightly, but it's stunning. Could there be a more pleasing sound than Hope's voice?

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

MS are great but Opal are greater.

Winkelmann, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Haven't heard Opal, but here's what I have to say:

Among My Swan is so-so and kinda forgettable. Bavarian Fruit Bread is good and kinda forgettable. So Tonight that... is great and very memorable. I would recommend this album to anyone.

Manny Parsons, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Oooooh you gotta hear Opal. It's like MS with the Velvets and Doors lavels jacked right up.. amazing.

electric sound of jim, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Mazzy Star has a few good songs on their albums but "Early Recordings" is a desert island disc for me.The order and the songs are perfect. Didn't Kendra Smith originally recommend Hope Sandoval to take her place? I think the reason was because she didn't like to tour. There's a bootleg of Opal in Berlin 1988 with Hope as singer.

brg30, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

Incredibly same-y, but very classic.

Granny Dainger, Monday, 13 October 2008 15:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

In my attempt at writing the dullest post ever, can I just say that "fade into you" is quite a good song?

Freedom, Monday, 13 October 2008 19:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

Neither. BTW, there should be an intermediate category for bands such as Mazzy Star, Strokes and so on. Not great but passable.

Vision, Monday, 13 October 2008 20:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

"So Tonight That I Might See" is brilliant, and not samey. It's one of the best albums of the 90s, if you ask me. Their other albums sound samey to me.

Dogface Chain (res), Monday, 13 October 2008 21:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

Not bad live as I recall.

Michael White, Monday, 13 October 2008 21:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

Beach House is sort of a watered down version of Mazzy Star's worst moments.

Dogface Chain (res), Monday, 13 October 2008 21:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

Beach House *really* sounds like Kendra Smith post Opal solo records.

Spencer Chow, Monday, 13 October 2008 22:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

Now why did I forget how good of an album opener "Halah" is.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 June 2009 18:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

Dud.

litcofsky, Thursday, 4 June 2009 21:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

man, whatever happened to Roback

Kool G Lapp (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 4 June 2009 21:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

he guested on Bert Jansch's last record ... but yeah, he sure dropped out.

tylerw, Thursday, 4 June 2009 21:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

feel like i read that mazzy star was planning a new album ... but that might've been like 8 years ago.

tylerw, Thursday, 4 June 2009 21:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

"Kevin said he'd produce the album for me after he got done with his."

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 June 2009 21:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

hee hee. from wikipedia: "In 2000, the band reunited for a mini-tour in Europe, which featured new songs that Sandoval later revealed in interviews would be on the new Mazzy Star record, which was also recorded during this time. However, these sessions were not released."

tylerw, Thursday, 4 June 2009 21:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

man, whatever happened to Roback

Wrote a couple songs for Maggie Cheung in this 2004 movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388838/

Other than that, probably just kicking back in Norway

Carroll Shelby Downard (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 4 June 2009 22:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

Capital C Classic. 'blue light' is an all-time fave song and 'so tonite i might see' would be a perfect album if '5 string serenade' was a verse & chorus shorter

6335, Thursday, 4 June 2009 23:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

i always think the third album is unfairly overlooked

the ring toun (electricsound), Thursday, 4 June 2009 23:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

Loved them unreservedly during their heyday. Need to listen again.

These people were not joking around with the sad! I observed/interacted with different members of the band at a few various points during the 90s, just pre-show bar activity & such. For the most part, I recall being struck by how sullen they were as a general rule, as if they had some major goth cred to uphold (but they didn't, really). At one point I observed Hope walking over to a remote corner in a shitty nightclub & crying silently to herself.

"alt-black" (Pillbox), Friday, 5 June 2009 05:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

I've been listening to "So Tonight That I Might See" a lot lately. It's really just . . . beautiful.

Fennec fox which does grooming (ENBB), Friday, 19 June 2009 04:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

^^^ fucking great album. I'm lukewarm about the first and third albums though. The first sounds kind of undeveloped to me, while the third's songs aren't as memorable.

Jesus Christ, Chiropractor at Law (res), Friday, 19 June 2009 06:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

This really is one of those perfect bands who should never, ever blemish their legacy by 'reuniting'

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Friday, 19 June 2009 07:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

i love mazzy star. the second album is prob the best but i usually feel more inclined to listen to the first. 'halah' indeed is an incredible opener and could even be my favorite song by them

haven't heard the third album tho

mark cl, Friday, 19 June 2009 13:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah after I posted that last night I listened to STTIMS in its entirety and I'm pretty certain it's just perfect. I do also really like She Hangs Brightly but don't reach for that as often. Never really got into the 3rd album.

Fennec fox which does grooming (ENBB), Friday, 19 June 2009 15:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah the 3rd album was a huge letdown for me at the time.

baaderonixx, Friday, 19 June 2009 15:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

First album is a stroke of genius, the perfect mix of druggy/hazy psych and folky beauty.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 19 June 2009 17:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

The only thing letdown I experienced from Among My Swan was due to the godawful title! I don't see where the big quality dropoff claims are rooted, being that it should have been pretty obvious to anyone who had been listening from the beginning (of MS or, better yet, going back to the band's days as Opal) that Roback et al only had a few tricks up his sleeve, which he just cycled through as needed on his albums. As such, any expectations for an evolutionary step forward from STTIMS would have been sorely misguided.

For the uninitiated, check out Opal's Early Recordings. You will not be disappointed.

lol? I nearly wtb 1 (Pillbox), Friday, 19 June 2009 19:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

I don't see where the big quality dropoff claims are rooted

I know every song on STTIMS, but I can only remember one on AMS despite many listens.

Jesus Christ, Chiropractor at Law (res), Friday, 19 June 2009 19:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

I'm still in love with Hope Sandoval's voice. They're music being quite simple I've never understood why I get completely immersed when listening to them. It's like the musical equivalent to heroine for me. And it's not nostalgia fueled either... I started listening to them about 5 years ago. Wish I was there when they still existed.

Moka, Friday, 19 June 2009 20:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

I don't really care for their homogeneity, either.

Moka, Friday, 19 June 2009 20:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

hope's warm jets album is way better than the last mazzy record.

tylerw, Friday, 19 June 2009 20:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

I can only remember one on AMS despite many listens

I got 3! 'Flowers in December', 'Disappear' and 'Take Everything'. But yeah, haven't a clue what else was on it.

Enemy Insects (NickB), Friday, 19 June 2009 21:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

wow Hope Sandoval announces that a new Mazzy Star will come out.

baaderonixx, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 21:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

wow! got a link?

Mike Crandle, Financial Analyst, Bear Stearns, New York, NY 10185 (res), Wednesday, 8 July 2009 21:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

Didn't see that comin'.

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 21:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

Heard something about this today, forget where. I thought it was just a solo release.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 21:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

eh? all i got was this: http://www.mbvmusic.com/new-hope-sandoval-mp3-blanchard/11677

tylerw, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 21:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

(new warm inventions mp3)

tylerw, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 21:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

I got this in my mail today. Sorry bout the formatting...don't have time to fix:

Since the release of Mazzy Star's debut album She Hangs Brightly, Hope Sandoval has defined the sound and style of California psychedelic dream pop. The world took notice when the breakthrough single "Fade Into You" (from sophomore album So Tonight That I Might See) hit the airwaves and MTV heavy rotation. Sandoval's trademark vocals helped to make her a modern day music icon. Now the revered singer returns along side My Bloody Valentine's Colm O'Ciosoig to deliver her long awaited sophomore album Through The Devil Softly on September 1.
Over the past decade, the sought after vocalist has collaborated with artists from across the musical landscape: The Jesus & Mary Chain, Air, Death in Vegas, The Chemical Brothers, Massive Attack and Bert Jansch, to count a few.
In 2001, she joined Colm O'Ciosoig to form Hope Sandoval & the Warm Inventions and release their debut Bavarian Fruit Bread. Now on Through The Devil Softly, the definitive star of the Paisley Underground scene reignites her trademark sound in an epic journey across the 11-song album. The project continues the laid-back, slowcore sound they are renowned for and places Sandoval's sensuous, hypnotic voice in the forefront. Recorded in both Northern California and the Wicklow Mountains of Ireland, the spare, subtle arrangements reinforce Sandoval's gentle vocal style.
An extensive North American tour is planned for Fall 09, with dates in the UK and Europe to follow.
Grab the lead track 'Blanchard' instantly below:
Blanchard Mp3
Hope Sandoval Myspace
Hope Sandoval Facebook

dlp9001, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 21:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

Too kind.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 October 2011 20:53 (five years ago) Permalink

great news, hope they make a new album

Bee OK, Thursday, 20 October 2011 01:54 (five years ago) Permalink

wow! excited

teledyldonix, Thursday, 20 October 2011 03:01 (five years ago) Permalink

Actually quite pleased with the idea of a new Mazzy Star album.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 20 October 2011 15:57 (five years ago) Permalink

the hardest working band in showbiz is BACK!

p sure that title belongs to MBV iirc

psyched for this btw

HOOTERS FOOD AND BEVERAGE (Pillbox), Thursday, 20 October 2011 16:12 (five years ago) Permalink

Looking forward to this. The clips are excellent (as is the cover). Opal/Mazzy Star are one of the few groups with explicitly blues elements that I truly like!

Spencer Chow, Thursday, 20 October 2011 16:13 (five years ago) Permalink

:D

Juggy Brottleteen (ENBB), Thursday, 20 October 2011 16:14 (five years ago) Permalink

p sure that title belongs to MBV iirc
i dunno, relatively speaking, MBV have worked their asses off in the past few years.

tylerw, Thursday, 20 October 2011 16:16 (five years ago) Permalink

Magick Power is one for the repeat button. Mind Blowing.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Friday, 21 October 2011 15:33 (five years ago) Permalink

listened to these guys last night. one thing i was wondering -- i remember having So Tonight That I May See (on cassette!) for like a year before "Fade Into You" hit big. Why did it hit big? Was it in a movie or something? Just seemed like a slow. meandering path to a hit single. maybe that suits this band perfectly.

tylerw, Friday, 21 October 2011 15:35 (five years ago) Permalink

Sez Wikipedia:

The American branch of Rough Trade folded in 1991, but Mazzy Star's contract was picked up by Capitol, who re-issued the first album and put out the follow-up, So Tonight That I Might See in 1993. A year after its release, the album yielded an unexpected hit single, the wispy "Fade into You", a top 50 single in both the US and the UK

Kinda things do happen.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 October 2011 15:37 (five years ago) Permalink

still haven't checked out the new songs but I felt so let down by Swans that I'm not sure whether I should

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 21 October 2011 15:43 (five years ago) Permalink

needed 4 seconds to fall in love with 'Lay myself down'

meisenfek, Friday, 21 October 2011 19:13 (five years ago) Permalink

Just seemed like a slow. meandering path to a hit single. - If Mazzy Star were to have a hit single at all, it is definitely appropriate that they had a slow, meandering path to one!

treeses, help me find my proper place (Pillbox), Friday, 21 October 2011 19:20 (five years ago) Permalink

In retrospect, I think Hope's guest spot on JAMC's kinda hit 'Sometimes Always' & the subsequent package tour b/w the two bands probably had a fair amount to do w/ priming the works for whatever 'breakthrough' Mazzy Star experienced.

treeses, help me find my proper place (Pillbox), Friday, 21 October 2011 19:23 (five years ago) Permalink

hee, wonder if sandoval and roback have just coasted for the last decade and a half on royalties from this song
Soundtrack appearances
Film
The song was notably featured in the movie Angus, during Angus and Melissa's slow dance, yet somehow failed to appear on the soundtrack for the album.
It was part of the Starship Troopers film soundtrack, playing while Johnny Rico fought with Zander over Carmen Ibanez on Fleet Battlestation Ticonderoga.
This song is featured in the Nicolas Cage movie Lord of War in 2005, as Nicholas returns home from buying his wife's painting.
The unabridged song appeared in the film Swept Away directed by Guy Ritchie in a montage sequence in which the two lead characters of the film are featured.
The song appears in the film "Burlesque" starring Christina Aguilera and Cher.

Television
It was used in the Roswell episode "Baby, It's You".
The song appeared in the episode "Sons and Daughters" of Without a Trace.
The song appeared in the episode "Wishing" of Cold Case.
The song appeared in the episode "Ice" of season 4 of Alias, when Michael Vaughn confesses to someone in a bar.
It was used in season one of Gilmore Girls, the episode called "Rory's Dance".
The song has been used over four times in CSI: Miami.
On the March 19 episode of Bones, it was one of the songs listed on the CD.
The song appeared in the first episode "Pilot", of the popular television series, Desperate Housewives.
The song also appeared in the ninth episode of the fifth season of CSI: NY when Danny Messer takes a ride with his bike.
The song also appeared in the tenth episode of the sixth season of Medium, the episode titled "You Give Me Fever".
The song was used in the third episode of NBC's Love Bites.

tylerw, Friday, 21 October 2011 19:25 (five years ago) Permalink

lol at four times on CSI Miami! how lazy.

tylerw, Friday, 21 October 2011 19:26 (five years ago) Permalink

NBC's Love Bites

lol

treeses, help me find my proper place (Pillbox), Friday, 21 October 2011 19:29 (five years ago) Permalink

It was part of the Starship Troopers film soundtrack, playing while Johnny Rico fought with Zander over Carmen Ibanez on Fleet Battlestation Ticonderoga.
this movie sounds like a treat

tylerw, Friday, 21 October 2011 19:31 (five years ago) Permalink

You've missed a legendary thread, then:

"Starship Troopers" - Verhoeven is a mad genius!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 October 2011 19:35 (five years ago) Permalink

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/tracks/12670-common-burn/

very very good

nostormo, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:41 (five years ago) Permalink

wow totally have never noticed Fade Into You in Starship Troopers, that seems oddly incongruous

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 October 2011 22:45 (five years ago) Permalink

oddly incongruous or just incongruous? /pedant

ah, how quaint (Matt P), Friday, 28 October 2011 22:56 (five years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sImidxw4Mr8

fauxmarc, Monday, 31 October 2011 16:18 (five years ago) Permalink

can't even hear it, no wonder I never noticed it

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 31 October 2011 16:35 (five years ago) Permalink

powerful scene

tylerw, Monday, 31 October 2011 16:37 (five years ago) Permalink

my wife was convinced that fade into you was used in this classsssic scene, but she was wrong! close though, kinda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZSOyjqgITI&

tylerw, Monday, 31 October 2011 16:39 (five years ago) Permalink

what the hell is that

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 31 October 2011 16:41 (five years ago) Permalink

I feel like Fade Into You/Cowboy Junkies "Sweet Jane"/ and that Wild Horses cover are all basically the same song

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 31 October 2011 16:41 (five years ago) Permalink

shakey, you haven't seen the classic marky mark / reese witherspoon thriller FEAR?! get with it, dude.

tylerw, Monday, 31 October 2011 16:44 (five years ago) Permalink

I only watch erotic thrillers

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 31 October 2011 16:58 (five years ago) Permalink

looks like this might qualify tho lol

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 31 October 2011 16:59 (five years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

I listened to the first album and was quite impressed. If I was going to Coachella, I would've seen them live. Do anyone know if they are a good live act. They seem to be perfect for a more intimate, indoor setting.

Tired of these edcuated basic bitches. (lilsoulbrother), Monday, 16 January 2012 18:42 (five years ago) Permalink

I couldn't imagine watching them at a giant festival, and I've been a fan for quite some time.

Matt M., Monday, 16 January 2012 20:06 (five years ago) Permalink

Those three albums are pretty amazing, though - the third in particular gets nowhere near the love / respect it deserves.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 16 January 2012 21:40 (five years ago) Permalink

third is my favourite

virtual gape machine (electricsound), Monday, 16 January 2012 22:07 (five years ago) Permalink

My favourite too.

They are a very good live act but the setting may have an impact. I saw them in a church in 1996, or thereabouts, and it was close to perfect.

I don't know if much has changed in the last fifteen years but Hope used to be a bit edgy when she sang live. She didn't seem to like interacting with a crowd and walked off stage in the middle of shows, on at least a couple of occasions, when people shouted stuff at her she took offence at.

Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Monday, 16 January 2012 22:09 (five years ago) Permalink

All three albums are essential, but I can't imagine them being any good in a live setting like Coachella*. I saw Hope Sandoval a few years ago in an intimate, gorgeous theater, and even that setting felt too demanding for her.

Evan R, Monday, 16 January 2012 22:49 (five years ago) Permalink

(*not that I wouldn't try to see them there anyway if I had the chance)

Evan R, Monday, 16 January 2012 22:49 (five years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

And new album finally en route...

http://www.spin.com/articles/mazzy-star-california-stream-seasons-of-your-day

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 14:40 (four years ago) Permalink

the b-side to that 7" from last year was pretty great!

erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 15:25 (four years ago) Permalink

oh it was a double A-side... "lay myself down" was the good one.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 15:39 (four years ago) Permalink

This track is soooooo good.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 15:53 (four years ago) Permalink

it's great how they do so much with so little. i need to figure out how they get that reverb.

Poliopolice, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 16:04 (four years ago) Permalink

cool stuff. was just listening to that hope sandoval solo record from ... wow, more than a decade ago? it is totally great.

tylerw, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 17:07 (four years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

RIP Keith Mitchell, the amazing drummer on all the Opal and Mazzy Star stuff:
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/mazzy-star-drummer-keith-mitchell-dead-w482297

Spencer Chow, Monday, 15 May 2017 17:59 (two months ago) Permalink

Ah man, that's a shame. Truly the underrated factor in all that work.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 May 2017 18:02 (two months ago) Permalink

:( RIP

Οὖτις, Monday, 15 May 2017 18:02 (two months ago) Permalink

damn, that is too bad — very cool player.

tylerw, Monday, 15 May 2017 18:09 (two months ago) Permalink

Aw, that's sad... RIP Mr. Mitchell, you made many great records!

erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 15 May 2017 18:18 (two months ago) Permalink


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