the roots: classic or dud?

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i'm hoping people will disagree on this one.

ethan, Saturday, 28 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah , ive liked them over the years. I bought 'do you want more ?','illadelph halflife','Things fall apart' before moving onto other groups. NOWADAYS I WANT MY SOUNDS MORE FRIED AND WEIRD but they progressed well over the albums and were amazing live - i would put them as classic with a small 'c'

Geordie Racer, Sunday, 29 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

what the hell was i thinking?

ethan, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, you could turn disaster into triumph here by doing some educating on the matter.

Though I'm surprised - I know a few other posters who have opinions on the Roots. I don't, because I've not heard any.

Tom, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

if you ever get their first cd you would find "the session" which was a great intro to an amazing group. things fall apart was amazing and i immersed myself in all material i could find..seems that the route of the solo artists (ala wu-tang) is happening with rahzel and the upcoming black thought. i agree with the progression and the changes themselves warrant classic in a genre thats all shit to me 90% of the time.

Kevin Enas, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought Things Fall Apart was real great when I first got it. I don't seem to listen to it very much currently though (or for almost a year now). Never heard their others.

Josh, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Yawn. Became known as a "gimmick" band despite their best efforts. Made their best video about dissing bling-bling and then the rap world kept blinging while the roots sort of faded from consciousness. Poor calculation on their part -- too "safe" for current rap target audiences, and too mediocre for the real hip undie-scenesters I've talked to.

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"Faded from consciousness", really ? I thought "You Got Me" had been something of a pop hit.

Patrick, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"You Got Me" did crack the top 40. Apparently, it peaked at #35 in the US. _Things Fall Apart_ was also a critical darling.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Only ever heard Things Fall Apart, but there are a couple of songs on it that are not quite like anything else.

Dan I., Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

strange thread. if someone had posted this in may (?) ethan might have said "destroy the new ilm"

Ron, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

They're competent in all areas, and by no means bad, but I dunno.. I have a few albums, and I listen sometimes, but they just seem to lack some kind of edge.. when I'm listening to them, I enjoy it, but I never have a huge urge to listen to them. They've got quality and all, but the lyrical content is kind of bland, lacks the cleverness and personality that attracts me to a lot of hip hop. They seem to take themselves too seriously sometimes. I can't put my finger on it exactly. I'd say classic, a lot of people like them and they widen hip hop's appeal to people who normally dismiss it, which isn't bad. Just not my thing I guess.

Bobby D. Gray, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I love The Roots so much I'm offended by Sterling's remarks. The fact that they're a band is not a gimmick. That's ridiculous. Black Thought is a smart and clever rapper, with a beautiful voice. He belongs to my top five favourite MC's, along with Jay-Z, Eminem, Mos Def and Talib Kweli. Drummer and producer ?uestlove is a great personality, who contributes regularly to the message-boards of his website. Top live-act, top records. I'm really looking forward to the new album, Phrenology, coming in October.

JoB, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Best things about the Roots: the Arsonists' lyric "No question, like the Roots without their drummer"

Dom Passantino, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

They are a bore live. Ive seen em like 5 times. They play so much and still suck. ?uest is so overrated as a drummer as well.

chaki, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

three years pass...
A couple of years ago Questlove stood beside me for a few seconds. He smelled like bubblegum.

danjel (danjel), Thursday, 8 June 2006 10:34 (fourteen years ago) link

the version of 'you got me' on the block party soundtrack might be the best thing they've ever done...

i am not a nugget (stevie), Thursday, 8 June 2006 12:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Something I still can not understand, besides the bubblegum-incident, is "The Seed 2.0". It should be called "The Shite 2.0".

danjel (danjel), Thursday, 8 June 2006 13:02 (fourteen years ago) link

ok i have no idea what i meant by this thread but the first 3 roots albums are classic

also i know a girl who hooked up w/ black thought in his buckhead hotel room

and what (ooo), Thursday, 8 June 2006 13:20 (fourteen years ago) link

They stopped being totally awesome when they lost/fired/whatever Malik B. Also wtf with that mumbly song?

Did Black Thought ever put out that solo album?

mummy wrapped in bacon (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 June 2006 13:23 (fourteen years ago) link

haha you mean the one w/ rockwilder & timbaland beats?? who cares

rahzel's album is actually pretty dope

and what (ooo), Thursday, 8 June 2006 13:31 (fourteen years ago) link

dice raw's was soooo disappointing but that 'start of your ending' track is incredible

and what (ooo), Thursday, 8 June 2006 13:31 (fourteen years ago) link

didn't rahzel do an album with bjork? or did i dream that?

max (maxreax), Thursday, 8 June 2006 15:10 (fourteen years ago) link

"Silent Treatment" = one of the best ever

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 8 June 2006 15:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Rahzel was on I think a couple songs on Medulla. I know for sure he (and Mike Patton) were on "Where Is The Line", which was pretty wicked.

mummy wrapped in bacon (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 June 2006 15:19 (fourteen years ago) link

they're touring with pharcyde (and at least sometimes kweli) in july/august

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 8 June 2006 15:27 (fourteen years ago) link

I really like "You Got Me." I think Things Fall Apart is a really nice listen.

Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 8 June 2006 15:36 (fourteen years ago) link

I think my favorite Roots song actually might be "You Don't See Us" with that one guitar riff that sounds like the sound it makes in Zelda when you move a block and find a secret passage.

mummy wrapped in bacon (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 June 2006 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Their albums tend to end weakly. As opposed to ending with a penultimate or conclusive track, they throw on some spoken word, then maybe a secret bonus track, then (if they really don't want the party to stop), some DJ work. The spoken word bit reached it's nadir on Things Fall Apart with "The Return of Innocence Lost". The blatancy of this song will make you cringe. Phrenology should have ended with "Pussy Galore".

cosmo vitelli (cosmo vitelli), Thursday, 8 June 2006 18:34 (fourteen years ago) link

I always think TFA ends with You Got Me, and then I'm surprised by You Don't See Us (I think) and the spoken word one.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 8 June 2006 18:39 (fourteen years ago) link

The blatancy of this song will make you cringe.

I doubt it will make me cringe as much as "blatancy"

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 8 June 2006 18:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Well it should.

cosmo vitelli (cosmo vitelli), Thursday, 8 June 2006 18:53 (fourteen years ago) link

The spoken word track on Do You Want More!?/ is actually very good.

mummy wrapped in bacon (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 June 2006 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

http://blogs.okayplayer.com/theroots/2008/04/04/exclusive-freestyle/

black thought and malik b back to back in 94!

they should never have let malik b go*. black thought is so much better with a partner.

*and get addicted to drugs

titchyschneiderMk2, Sunday, 6 April 2008 12:25 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...

THE NEW ALBUM IS THE FUCKING BEST

404 Error: Page Not Found, Monday, 16 June 2008 22:44 (twelve years ago) link

new album is aite
ive been down for these dudes since illadelph & game theory is the fucking best

and what, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 00:02 (twelve years ago) link

O_O

Jordan, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 00:15 (twelve years ago) link

I WON'T APOLOGIZE

404 Error: Page Not Found, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 02:59 (twelve years ago) link

Dud now but classic before.

VeronaInTheClub, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 03:55 (twelve years ago) link

game theory is the fucking best

yes ^^^ their best album in a looong time.

stephen, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 19:53 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

no huge roots fan and jb-humping whatever but this is the shit

http://www.twitvid.com/62CAC

Nasty, Crutis & Short (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 07:51 (eleven years ago) link

its ok. ronson+good jb pastiche+too long chorus+black thought reciting more platitudes.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 08:21 (eleven years ago) link

sure, but it absolutely smokes in spite of all that

Nasty, Crutis & Short (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 08:42 (eleven years ago) link

that chorus is the corniest.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 08:46 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

Hearing their new album and I think it's pretty good, probably the best thing I've heard from them.

Moka, Monday, 5 July 2010 05:39 (ten years ago) link

Think I might go catch them at Prospect Park next weekend. Their records never 100% do it for me but they're always pretty good and the live show is solid.

surfer blood for oil (Hurting 2), Monday, 5 July 2010 05:44 (ten years ago) link

"Hearing their new album and I think it's pretty good, probably the best thing I've heard from them."

what, ever?

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 5 July 2010 08:19 (ten years ago) link

it is pretty good. not sure if it's the best, but it's more consistent than some of their other albums.

borntohula, Monday, 5 July 2010 10:48 (ten years ago) link

Really getting into this, more so than anything they've put out since Phrenology. The consistency of it; it has a great sustained mood throughout.

Born too beguiled (DavidM), Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:00 (ten years ago) link

questo's drumming at the end of "you got me" is so o_O

Mister AOR (The Reverend), Saturday, 17 July 2010 10:20 (ten years ago) link

pretty sure the drums at the end are programmed (although he kinda plays those beats when they do it live)

some dude, Saturday, 17 July 2010 11:20 (ten years ago) link

iirc he did play them, or at least has said he played them in the past.

one man meme-denier (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 17 July 2010 11:36 (ten years ago) link

yeah? i know he's done lots of stuff that was live but didn't sound live, just never thought that was one. nice.

some dude, Saturday, 17 July 2010 11:44 (ten years ago) link

'Little did we know this would win us a Grammy and that the future gods of arthritis would forever haunt me.'

http://www.moderndrummer.com/updatefull/200001881/Ahmir%20%E2%80%9CQuestlove%E2%80%9D%20Thompson

just sayin, Saturday, 17 July 2010 12:19 (ten years ago) link

my friend keeps playing the new record. i thought the joanna newsom hook was a parody first time i heard it but no.

yeh he def plays the "you got me" outro

zvookster, Saturday, 17 July 2010 15:43 (ten years ago) link

three months pass...

"long time" off game theory is so fucking sick

honkin' on joey kramer (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 12 November 2010 14:00 (nine years ago) link

fuck yeah. classic peedi verse too.

deej otm? (some dude), Friday, 12 November 2010 14:29 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...

so these guys are gonna be the house band for the tonight show
it's a strange world

i petted a bodega cat today. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 22:52 (seven years ago) link

damn, did leno put a power move on fallon or

cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 23:33 (seven years ago) link

oh i see

cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 23:34 (seven years ago) link

Made their best video about dissing bling-bling and then the rap world kept blinging while the roots sort of faded from consciousness. Poor calculation on their part

lol

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 21 March 2013 06:10 (seven years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/embed/3woHfDKTjqU

tsrobodo, Thursday, 21 March 2013 06:18 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

Hmm, where does this go? I'll put it here. ?uestlove's essay on rap and black culture, part one:

http://www.vulture.com/2014/04/questlove-on-how-hip-hop-failed-black-america.html

"When the People Cheer: How Hip-Hop Failed Black America"

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 May 2014 15:24 (six years ago) link

Part two is here: http://www.vulture.com/2014/04/questlove-on-money-jay-z-how-hip-hop-failed-black-america-part-2.html

"Mo’ Money, Mo’ Problems: How Hip-Hop Failed Black America, Part II"

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 May 2014 15:28 (six years ago) link

I kind of want to keep bumping this to hear some reactions, unless this was already discussed somewhere.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 May 2014 19:41 (six years ago) link

Yeah, I thought it was strange that no one brought this up here…

Also odd that the guy —who I interviewed once and was startled that he mentioned what Xgau thought of some rekkid or another apropos of nothing— is so concerned that hip-hop didn't end up raising consciousness to the extent that he wanted it to…or transform the world. yeah, it turns out most people like songs about primal shit like partying, fucking and material goods. Very bourgie to be disappointed that the music you identify with doesn't end up transcending human nature.

veronica moser, Thursday, 1 May 2014 20:10 (six years ago) link

bullshit. He was becoming a man when hip hop was teeming with sociopolitical commentary, with a directness and anger that stood out from virtually all even semi-popular music before it. X hats, Africa medallions, Nation of Islam-inspired thought. It's only natural for someone that fired up by the hip hop from that era to be disappointed by its near complete abandonment of those subjects to its current fixations.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 May 2014 20:32 (six years ago) link

OK, I totally get that. but being that his reputation is that of a guy whose frame of reference includes popular music writ large, and not just hip-hop, you would think that he would have an awareness that someone like, say, Pete Townshend ran around in the wake of 60s rock saying "rock and roll is gonna change everything." and it didn't, and Townshend and I guess Joe strummer etc etc had to go on with their lives…hip-hop has gone through the same thing that just about every radical musical idiom to reach millions of people ever has. but then, songs about base desires don't offend me.

veronica moser, Thursday, 1 May 2014 20:45 (six years ago) link

He has awareness of "popular music writ large" but he LOVES hip hop and it had a huge impact on him at an important time in one's life (child to teenager to adult transitions).

hip-hop has gone through the same thing that just about every radical musical idiom to reach millions of people ever has.

which is a very limited sample size! and there's no natural law that says this must be the case. plus when you are in love with an artform you are understandably somewhat blinkered in your appraisal of it. "sure those other artforms became meaningless but THIS is DIFFERENT".

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 May 2014 20:56 (six years ago) link

maybe rap is due for its own "this is spinal tap" about now?

Yarli Simon (rattled), Thursday, 1 May 2014 21:06 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qzacv8dtb4

^^^readers digest version

rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 1 May 2014 21:09 (six years ago) link

ha

steendriver dysphoria hoos (The Reverend), Thursday, 1 May 2014 21:10 (six years ago) link

I don't understand the desire there seems to be to have everyone be as detached and jaded about things as the observer is. Particulary head-scratching when it's applied to people who are so obviously very wrapped up with and self identify with the thing or things they ought to be detached from and jaded about.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 May 2014 21:10 (six years ago) link

maybe rap is due for its own "this is spinal tap" about now?

― Yarli Simon (rattled), Thursday, May 1, 2014 5:06 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_a_Black_Hat

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 1 May 2014 21:11 (six years ago) link

i don't understand either of those sentences xp

rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 1 May 2014 21:11 (six years ago) link

i thought CB4 was our 'this is spinal tap'

rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 1 May 2014 21:11 (six years ago) link

maybe it comes from being a writer and always analyzing things such as "pop music writ large", I dunno

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 May 2014 21:12 (six years ago) link

Rock and Roll helped to change a lot of things imo. I think it contributed to the liberalization of certain social attitudes and probably gave consumerism and materialist individualism a big boost.

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 1 May 2014 21:13 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

what is a roots show like these days? ive not seen them in quite a few years but am curious to know what kind of set they do now (theyre in london next month). is it just lots of jamming? lots of covers?

StillAdvance, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 09:36 (five years ago) link

two years pass...

black thought just put out a record, anyone hear it?

Slippage (Ross), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 22:29 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

RIP Malik B.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 22:21 (one week ago) link

ahh man no fuckin way =(

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 22:28 (one week ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt-K7DwrG90

fucking jam. rest in peace.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 22:48 (one week ago) link

Damn, I don't listen to as much rap as a lot of people around here do, but Illadelph Halflife was a big record for me when I was about 18, and nowadays, if a random hip-hop lyric pops into my head for some reason, it's probably Malik B.

peace, man, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 22:48 (one week ago) link

npr swipe.

just. . . man.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 22:55 (one week ago) link

fuck man, always had a soft spot for him.

i trained wack emcees in camps like ex-marines

mozzy star (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 23:17 (one week ago) link

Damn he was my favorite, especially on Things Fall Apart, him and Dice Raw

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 30 July 2020 02:37 (one week ago) link

best ever malik b:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnrUePtOcXA

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 30 July 2020 03:02 (one week ago) link

I'm symbolic to a ballot, it's Abdul Malik
Don't approach with bullshit, I'm quick to call it invalid
Route through your district, we keep it simplistic
No need for the rapper to talk, put it on halt
Show me the vault, or the safe, cause I'm on the paper chase
Wade through route states for bout thirty down my waist
I'm tryna get it, these rain bottling thoughts become acidic
With one in the chamber, ready to aim and spit it
A girlfriend and team made million cash just splintered
I take what you got to give, cause I got to live
The last hour, I bet your ass in rack shower
Might act up, but I still can pass Da'wah
I'm using new ways to try to reach these better days
Instead of tryna take you under, I just make you wonder
I still fast, make salaat and pay zakaat
I didn't make Hajj yet, but that's my next project
Living two lives, one of turn and one with true lies
Keeping up hope, knowing he's answering to my du'as
In the quarters living modest with my nigga Trotter
I circle my foes like a tawaf around the ka'ba
I used to live life like there was no mañana
Now I'm treating every breath like it was Your Honor
I'm Mill-itill-itant with the Fifth that stand firm like a pillar
I'm I and T-L like Manilla

THIS
IS
WHAT
IT'S
ALL
ABOUT

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 30 July 2020 03:07 (one week ago) link


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