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Found a really old mixtape with Ladyburst on it and listened to it three times today.... might be the nostalgia bias but I thought it still sounded amazing after all these years.

Can't really digest their whole catalog and I'm constantly annoyed by the sharp, cluttered production but they knew how to craft some really fun oddball pop every now and then. What you say ILM?

Moka, Friday, 16 April 2010 05:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

Seriously, there's never been a Plaid thread?

Search: Trainer, Not For Threes, the song "Scoobs in Columbia"

sassy boy, throwin' shade (Stevie D), Friday, 16 April 2010 06:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

There've have been Plaid/Black Dog threads before, I think. Black Dog's Temple of Transparent Balls and Spanners were really important to me when I was a teen, but I never much cared for Plaid, it sounded too soulless and cold to me. On the other hand, a while ago I listened to those Black Dog albums for the first time in years, and most of ToTB and half of Spanners sounded abstract and soulless too. "Chase the Manhattan" is still a classic though. But my favourite stuff by Black Dog are the remixes found here and here.

Tuomas, Friday, 16 April 2010 07:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

Here's an old Plaid/Black Dog catch-all thread, doesn't seem to have too many answers though:

OOP Plaid Dog Productions

Tuomas, Friday, 16 April 2010 08:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

For a fleeting moment in their career (Restproof Clockwork through to the first four tracks on Double Figure) they were my favourite band ever. Quality did drop soon after, although I've come round to Spokes a bit and the Heaven's Door soundtrack has some cool moments. New album out soon.

village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 16 April 2010 08:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

I never really rated Black Dog - I had Spanners on CD and found it frustrating because almost every track would build up and build up but never quite get to where it was going before it ended. "Soulless and cold" is the last way I would describe Plaid's output though.

village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 16 April 2010 08:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, forgot to mention that Plaid's production on this album is really good, especially on "No Government". Maybe working with vocalists is what brought out the best in them?

Tuomas, Friday, 16 April 2010 11:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

Bytes and spanners to a lesser extent are prob my fav electionic albums

X-101, Friday, 16 April 2010 11:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

If that's the version of No Government on Parts In The Post (Plaid remix compilation), I wasn't too keen on it. Although I'd agree they're one of the few "IDM" acts who use vocalists to their advantage. I loved that track Manyme with the gospel choir and the secret track (WHY A SECRET TRACK?!) at the end of Restproof Clockwork. Oh and that Bjork tune on Not For Threes was pretty ace too. I don't think they necessarily have to have vocals to sound good.

village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 16 April 2010 11:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

If that's the version of No Government on Parts In The Post (Plaid remix compilation), I wasn't too keen on it.

There are a few Plaid remixes of "No Government", but the original was produced by them as well. The remix that's on the Nicolette album is inferior to the original, and I think that same remix is also on the Plaid remix comp. So you should check out the original, it's better. Though of course Nicolette's vocals are of acquired taste, if you don't like her singing, the production probably won't save the tune for you.

Tuomas, Friday, 16 April 2010 11:30 (eight years ago) Permalink


Turangalila, Friday, 16 April 2010 11:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

This one was produced by Plaid too, it's almost as good as "No Goverment".

Tuomas, Friday, 16 April 2010 11:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

Hmm, "Lilith" sounds pretty good, I'm not sure if I've ever heard it before. Are there any other Plaid tunes like that?

Tuomas, Friday, 16 April 2010 11:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

Because the stuff I remember hearing back in the 90s was way more IDMesque, but that one actually is quite good.

Tuomas, Friday, 16 April 2010 11:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah I heard a Nicolette vocal on another track (forget who produced it now) and I find that her singing tends to have a habit of only just about fitting over the music. I love "Sly" though - favourite Massive Attack tune I think.

Lillith is from the first Plaid album "Not For Threes" aka "333" that came out in 1997. It's not my favourite, but a lot of people like it. Otherwise there's "Face Me" (a secret track at the end of Restproof Clockwork, which is a brilliant album in its own right), the lead track from Spokes, and also "Manyme" from Double Figure. One of my very favourites (and I've banged on about it before) is their remix of Coba's "After Dinner" which uses waltz-time Amelie-style accordion to great effect.

village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 16 April 2010 11:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't call Plaid very very IDM-esque in the traditional sense - they tend to work with a lot more warmer, catchier sounds than Autechre/Aphex et al.

village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 16 April 2010 11:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

Maybe so, but there are a lot of warm sounds on Spanners too, and yet the way they handle it somehow makes it all sound kinda lifeless (except on "Chase the Manhattan"). I gotta check out the things you recommend though, looks like at least the vocal stuff is something I might enjoy.

Tuomas, Friday, 16 April 2010 11:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

I *loved* Not For Threes at the time - Rakimou is absolutely gorgeous and there's a real playfulness to it.

Matt DC, Friday, 16 April 2010 11:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah Rakimou is great - Myopia is a nice one too. It's a really good album but I felt they followed it up even better.

village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 16 April 2010 11:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

I like Manyme. Mara Carlyle sings on that one :D

Turangalila, Friday, 16 April 2010 12:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

This is one of my favourite downtempo tracks ever:

groovypanda, Friday, 16 April 2010 13:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

got a big soft spot for

jerk orbison (another al3x), Friday, 16 April 2010 13:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

For me, any plaid I've heard outside of the Trainer stuff (the first disc is great, but the second is really fantastic) hasn't been worth bothering with. Same with post- Bytes Black Dog Productions, except their more contemporary stuff is looking fairly good, I should look into more of that.

Tonight I Dine on Turtle Soup (EDB), Friday, 16 April 2010 13:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

I love love love Radio Scarecrow and Further Vexations. Anyone heard Music For Real Airports (lol title) yet?

willem, Friday, 16 April 2010 14:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

wait... what are these things willem?

village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 16 April 2010 14:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

2008, 2009 and 2010 albums by The Black Dog, respectively.

willem, Friday, 16 April 2010 15:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

a more accurate update to Eno's work
lol blurb

willem, Friday, 16 April 2010 15:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

I have only ever heard "Eyen" and I love it. Is it representative?

Spencer Chow, Friday, 16 April 2010 17:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

new Black Dog FACT mix:

koogs, Monday, 26 April 2010 14:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

yes Eyen is your typical mid-period Plaid. If you like it you'll love Double Figure and Restproof Clockwork.

It took me a while, but sometimes Spokes is a really great album. A lot of the tracks sound very physical, mechanical even, like a giant clock framework with hundreds of moving parts.

village idiot (dog latin), Monday, 26 April 2010 14:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

Dunno, Eyen is a lot more widescreen than some of their other stuff, less playful. That said their first three albums are pretty diverse and I reckon you'd like them a lot Spencer.

Matt DC, Monday, 26 April 2010 15:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

of the first four tracks on Double Figure it's my least favourite for the reasons you mentioned Matt (i like my Plaid a bit slapstick and cartoonish - there are some abstract moments, particularly on Double Figure and most of Greedy Baby, which just don't gel well with me).

village idiot (dog latin), Monday, 26 April 2010 15:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

Anyone seen Plaid with the gamelan orchestra?

djh, Monday, 27 September 2010 20:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

Anyone getting excited about Scintilli in September? The new track is kind of everything I hoped for:

Why'd You Wanna Tweet Me So Bad? (dog latin), Thursday, 25 August 2011 12:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Hmmm... Been listening to the new album a bit. It's pleasant enough, but not exactly ground breaking considering it's been years since Spokes came out.

Yo wait a minute man, you better think about the world (dog latin), Friday, 16 September 2011 10:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

new album is really incredible. maybe their best one.

ciderpress, Sunday, 25 September 2011 19:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think "pleasant enough, but not exactly ground breaking" sorta epitomizes their whole career

Hullo, I'm Jon Moss (kelpolaris), Sunday, 25 September 2011 20:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...


Parker Posey as herself dancing to house music in NYC in 1995 (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 16:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

Don't know if I ever linked to this review I wrote about Scintilli. Actually it's a bit of a ramble about IDM in general but w/e.

Glo-Vember (dog latin), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 16:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Do we have a good Black Dog thread around here? Because I've been hooked on Bytes a lot lately; it reminds me quite a bit of something like SAW 85-92 but to my ears it's actually a bit more enjoyable since they have a real melodic gift that shows on pretty much every track. What else is good?

frogbs, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 16:39 (five years ago) Permalink

frogbs your post mirrors the posts at the top of this thread.

dog latin, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 16:44 (five years ago) Permalink

for some reason i thought this thread was 10 years old! I have Balls but not Spanners yet - the 79.999 minute length puts me off a bit, but I'm starting to "trust" the Dog to deliver the goods, since I did grab Book of Dogma and I'm surprised by how often I've listened to it.

frogbs, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 16:56 (five years ago) Permalink

Spanners i the only one I've heard, but I always found it unsatisfying. Has Bytes aged well?

dog latin, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 16:57 (five years ago) Permalink

yes and no? I mean you don't really hear those kind of analog synths anymore and it was recorded on pretty cheap equipment (you can hear some defects in the recording, similar to SAW 85-92, but maybe a bit better), but the melodies still sound good. The early singles are the ones that have aged not so well; like Plaid's first album back in 91 it just sort of points the way toward something more interesting. Bytes would be like their Orbital 2 moment - very much an early 90's thing but it does a great job of showing off what was so great about those times.

frogbs, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 17:11 (five years ago) Permalink

I still like Spanners! Especially the first handful of tracks, which are quite lovely, "Psil-Cosyin" of course but also "Chase the Manhattan." Haven't listened to Bytes in a VERY long time, though.

Liz Phair Dinkum (Leee), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 05:42 (five years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

I'm getting into Spanners now and even though I kinda wish they trimmed 10 or so minutes off it here and there it really is a neat album.

frogbs, Friday, 22 March 2013 15:18 (five years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Can't remember starting this thread. Big love for Ladyburst and Eyen.

Moka, Friday, 14 June 2013 07:32 (five years ago) Permalink

Double Figure and Jackson and the Computer band in heavy rotation this week. I'm going through some warp(ed) nostalgia trip.

Moka, Friday, 14 June 2013 07:33 (five years ago) Permalink

Byte's is great one of my favs better than spanners overall infact i had to buy it on CD cos i wore the vinyl out

X-101, Friday, 14 June 2013 07:44 (five years ago) Permalink

"Squance" is one of my favorite songs evar

Dan I., Friday, 14 June 2013 08:49 (five years ago) Permalink

Curious what the connection between this Craig Leon album from 1981 (which James Holden has been praising lately) and early Black Dog/Plaid is – the sound's weirdly similar, as are some of the titles. Leon produced the first Ramones album among many others.

with hidden noise, Friday, 14 June 2013 11:21 (five years ago) Permalink

I'm definitely not keen with everything on Spanners but it's one of those albums I just can't help myself with, I have to hear the whole thing every time. Bytes is also incredible. Was kinda shocked to load up iTunes and see just how much I've played both those albums.

frogbs, Friday, 14 June 2013 13:11 (five years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

Gorgeous lead track from the new album, if it's all like this I would be very pleased.

that mustardless plate (Bill A), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 14:57 (four years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Hawk Moth is indeed superb. Anyone listened to Reachy Prints yet? I'm not sure I love it yet. Like the last album, there are some gorgeous moments but also a lot of songs which sound like Plaid just being Plaid.

now I'm the grandfather (dog latin), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 21:14 (four years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

any opinions on the new one?

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Friday, 1 August 2014 13:50 (four years ago) Permalink

Apart from Hawkmoth it may as well be offcuts from Scintilli. I had a bit of trouble with Scintilli itself because it sounded like Plaid settling into a well-trodden path, but at least there were a few imaginative moments. This new one goes right over my head every time I put it on.

3kDk (dog latin), Friday, 1 August 2014 13:56 (four years ago) Permalink

I haven't cared about them since about 2002 but I love this new one, less meandering pissing about then there used to be, the whole album is much tighter and the melodies are gorgeous.

Matt DC, Friday, 1 August 2014 14:23 (four years ago) Permalink

Did you listen to Scintilli, Matt DC? If you like this one I think yo'd really like that one.

3kDk (dog latin), Friday, 1 August 2014 14:34 (four years ago) Permalink

the first Plaid album i've been able to engage with.. the odd-numbered tracks are all great. as somebody said upthread, it feels very concise and punchy. sounds great in the (rental) car

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Friday, 1 August 2014 16:23 (four years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

With all the Ae excitement going on, let's not forget there's a new Plaid album on the horizon. 'The Bee' has been released as a preview. I was very disappointed by Reachy Prints, save for 'Hawkmoth', but this sounds quite interesting. An almost classic rock tinge to it at the end.

TARANTINO! (dog latin), Friday, 20 May 2016 08:51 (two years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Man, people don't really care about Plaid anymore.

The new one is ok. I assume your;e disappointed, dog latin.

afriendlypioneer, Saturday, 11 June 2016 15:17 (two years ago) Permalink

I used to be a huge Plaid fan right up until that soundtrack for the Japanese movie. I just lost interest after that. Those Black Dog archives kind of kicked off around then too and I got my fix from those tracks.

brotherlovesdub, Saturday, 11 June 2016 15:25 (two years ago) Permalink

the one track that's getting all the radio play (ok, 3 plays) is good, makes me want to check out the lp. but then i said that about the last one and still haven't.

the website is shiny

koogs, Saturday, 11 June 2016 17:13 (two years ago) Permalink

Enjoying it so far! Quite low-key but some nice almost-cheesy synths, especially during the first half. 'Melifer' has me grinning like a loon each time the outro synth line kicks in ...

Steve Reich In The Afternoon (Against The 80s), Saturday, 11 June 2016 18:25 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

it's very pretty but they don't sound like they're exactly sweating very hard to try out anything new.

TARANTINO! (dog latin), Friday, 15 July 2016 14:37 (two years ago) Permalink

"CLOCK" from the new album is glorious. Plaid are great at what they do.

Ross, Thursday, 28 July 2016 22:10 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

okay so I sorta gave up on these guys after Spokes, but I decided to grab Scintilli and I'll be damned, this is like everything I want out of a Plaid album (including being LESS THAN 70 MINUTES LONG). are the next two as good as this?

frogbs, Thursday, 21 December 2017 14:28 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Last two are great. Plaid are cursed by consistency and it seems people lost interest in them. Higlhlights : nafovanny,
Wallet, clocks and the first track on the newer one which has a stranger things vibe

In a slipshod style (Ross), Thursday, 21 December 2017 16:01 (eleven months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

I started off with a copied cassette of Rest Proof Clockwork and when I got the CD never bothered with the end, so I've gone for nearly 20 years of listening to it without hearing the gorgeous hidden track at the end.

Matt DC, Monday, 26 March 2018 22:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

ah man that is such a beautiful tune. I can't believe it was just chucked on the end like that. This era is my favourite by them

loud horn beeping jazzsplaining arse (dog latin), Monday, 26 March 2018 22:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

i've fallen in love with the black dog's "otaku" recently. never got into any plaid albums, despite major love for "object orient". i should try again.

brimstead, Monday, 26 March 2018 22:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

Clocks is one of their finest late period songs. Last two are worth checking out; they fly under the radar but these guys do their thing very well

tinnitus the night (Ross), Monday, 26 March 2018 22:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

Clocks is an amazing track. Hell, it might be my _favorite_ Plaid track, but I’m really into somewhat traditional IDM tracks that get occasional club play (e.g. LFO “Freak”).

Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 26 March 2018 23:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

Oh, Assult on Precinct Zero got club play too. Man, Plaid is super underrated.

Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 26 March 2018 23:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

Now that I’m thinking about it, the only other track I can think of is the acid edit of Windowlicker. I guess it’s a small genre. 😂

Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 26 March 2018 23:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

great remix

tinnitus the night (Ross), Monday, 26 March 2018 23:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

Fucking love that track.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 02:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

yeah my favourite. plaid are basically my favourite

loud horn beeping jazzsplaining arse (dog latin), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 09:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

Thought it was kinda cute how they made a stranger things style track on their last album. Mind you it ruled!

tinnitus the night (Ross), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 19:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

Also one of the plaid guys partner is Mara Carlyle who is so good. They remixed one of her tracks too

tinnitus the night (Ross), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 19:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

I really love the one track that starts as sort of an ambient cut-up collage and then suddenly transforms into hyperspeed Sonic the Hedgehod music

"Dang Spot" I think it's called

frogbs, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 19:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

I've been on a real Plaid tip lately. Kind of felt like their last few albums were pale retreads of their previous stuff - same sound, fewer ideas - but I've had a large jumbled-up playlist going on in the background and it's still phenomenal stuff with plenty of character.

brand new universal harvester (dog latin), Friday, 13 April 2018 09:55 (seven months ago) Permalink

Would be great to do a Plaid poll, although it would throw into question whether to include Black Dog stuff too.

brand new universal harvester (dog latin), Friday, 13 April 2018 10:03 (seven months ago) Permalink

dont have much of plaid, just spokes.
i need to get more.
ordered the 2 new black dog albums this week.
one is ambient, the other is beats.
really looking forward to hearing them.

mark e, Friday, 13 April 2018 10:17 (seven months ago) Permalink

Spokes is where their sound started to consolidate a bit. It's a fun album but I'd say their peak was on Restproof Clockwork and parts of Double Figure.

loud horn beeping jazzsplaining arse (dog latin), Friday, 13 April 2018 10:32 (seven months ago) Permalink

yea Spokes strikes me as the "if you can only get one Plaid album, don't get this one" album

have to say I dig the new Plaid albums quite a bit. I get what DL is saying but I don't really mind a 'retread' of a style which no one else is really able to replicate. plus the new albums are short. which I think is a good thing. even their classic 90s stuff has chunks of filler on it.

frogbs, Friday, 13 April 2018 12:44 (seven months ago) Permalink

definitely filler. the earlier Black Dog and Plaid albums all had short interludes (but they were good interludes). Restproof Clockwork is the all-killer front-to-back best album, but the first four songs on Double Figure beat pretty much everything on it before the album dwindles into some slightly thin, noodly nonsense

brand new universal harvester (dog latin), Friday, 13 April 2018 13:30 (seven months ago) Permalink

Dog Latin otm - spokes is the least essential plaid release and a fitting name - sounds like they’re treading in the mud.

The last two are underrated tho (particularly the latest). Very few electronic artists have as divine melodies as plaid or as much commitment to making abstract ideas tangible.

P brane EP remains essential as well

after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Friday, 13 April 2018 14:50 (seven months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Reachy Prints has Wallet and Matin Lunaire

I saw them play Wallet in a forest in California once. it was good.

Uhura Mazda (lukas), Thursday, 17 May 2018 23:30 (six months ago) Permalink

Wallet is so good

Incline/decline (Ross), Friday, 18 May 2018 18:38 (six months ago) Permalink

omg I just had a big epiphany regarding the title Not For Threes... It's a reference to their split from Black Dog, when they were "three". The subsequent release then was "For Twos"

octobeard, Monday, 21 May 2018 20:40 (six months ago) Permalink

Would be great to do a Plaid poll, although it would throw into question whether to include Black Dog stuff too.

You should do this! It'd be the excuse I'd need to listen to their post-Spokes output.

Regreta Garbo (Leee), Monday, 21 May 2018 20:55 (six months ago) Permalink

Yes please do. Plaid are underrated these days

Music is confidence (Ross), Monday, 21 May 2018 23:15 (six months ago) Permalink

five months pass...

I wish Plaid would do more vocal collabs. One of the rare mostly-instrumental electronic acts who are actually good at playing to their collaborators' strengths. Might invigorate their sound a bit more too.

Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Friday, 16 November 2018 11:35 (three weeks ago) Permalink

yeah I still have no idea what to make of their 3 recent albums. they are very pleasant and actually a bit more consistent than their 'classic' stuff but they also feel like they were written by AI

frogbs, Friday, 16 November 2018 15:07 (three weeks ago) Permalink

totally. that's the best summarisation I've heard of their recent stuff. it's not bad, it just doesn't fill me with the same sense of joy or fun as before.

Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Friday, 16 November 2018 15:12 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i still think scintilli is great, the more recent 2 are just okay

ciderpress, Friday, 16 November 2018 15:49 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Scintilli sounds like a greatest hits rather than a new album - it's a great listen but a bit disappointing as their first proper studio album for several years after Spokes. Reachy Prints is too slight but has Hawkmoth. Digging Remedy has a bit more meat on it but there's nothing truly memorable on it - I just like it chiming away in the background

Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Friday, 16 November 2018 15:51 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Ya'll are mad if Wallet and Matin Lunaire do nothing for you

Uhura Mazda (lukas), Friday, 16 November 2018 16:20 (three weeks ago) Permalink

wallet is excellent yes

ciderpress, Friday, 16 November 2018 16:28 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Matin Lunaire and Hawkmoth I'm a big fan of. Need to relisten to Wallet

Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Friday, 16 November 2018 16:38 (three weeks ago) Permalink

idk the best part of the new Plaid stuff is listening to how the background elements interact with the foreground. they really do a great job of with whole "sync up every 4 measures" thing

frogbs, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 20:06 (three weeks ago) Permalink

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