bettin on the POLL in the heather: Experimental Jet Set, Trash, and No Star

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I feel that I could burst
Gimme a little drink of your sweet time
Is it the way you think
Or just a pattern of your glory?
Is it just some story
You wrote all for me?
Do you think you're my home?
Down deep you're just a little whorey...

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Bull in the Heather 5
Tokyo Eye 5
Sweet Shine 4
Androgynous Minds 3
Starfield Road 3
Screaming Skull 2
Winner's Blues 2
Self-Obsessed and Sexxee 1
In the Mind of the Bourgeois Reader 1
Skink 0
Quest for the Cup 0
Bone 0
Doctor's Orders 0
Waist 0


forgotten funk-uncle (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 11 April 2010 23:33 (eleven years ago) link

i know we had talked about doing this before...

forgotten funk-uncle (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 11 April 2010 23:34 (eleven years ago) link

"Androgynous Mind," but I could have voted for any of the first six.

Throwing Muses are reuniting for my next orgasm! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 April 2010 23:34 (eleven years ago) link

i don't really care so much for Screaming Skull (Thurston beating Kerr to the punch on SST nostalgia by about 16 years lol) or Self Obssessed and Sexxee too much actually...the first three songs are amongst the best, but I obv voted for the last one...

forgotten funk-uncle (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 11 April 2010 23:38 (eleven years ago) link

"Tokyo Eye" is my jam, love the whole weird sound and structure of it.

fucka washa hat (some dude), Monday, 12 April 2010 00:29 (eleven years ago) link

the spastic, intermittent guitar interplay on "androgynous mind" is my favourite sonic youth moment ever

samosa gibreel, Monday, 12 April 2010 00:44 (eleven years ago) link

this album is da best, strays furthest from the mean than any other (good) sonic youth album and yet so comfortable and perfect. i wish they would have returned there again at some point.

samosa gibreel, Monday, 12 April 2010 00:46 (eleven years ago) link

this is my favorite sonic youth album, but i'm not much of a fan. i played this tape a lot in my car in high school, but only the left channel worked in my car's stereo, so it's always weird to hear it now with both channels. i'm leaning towards starfield road.

mizzell, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:51 (eleven years ago) link

Tokyo Eye! *tssh*

Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Farting in Space (NickB), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:56 (eleven years ago) link

anyone know what that sound is? sounds like the cymbal on a musical kid's toy or something.

always assumed it was a cymbal from some cheap keyboard

mizzell, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 15:01 (eleven years ago) link

Went with "Tokyo Eye".

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 15:01 (eleven years ago) link

When I saw the Boredoms round about the time this album came out, Yamatsuka Eye was bashing the shit out of a little kids' half-sized drum kit that was set up right in front of the stage. That's what the sound has always reminded me of.

Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Farting in Space (NickB), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 15:04 (eleven years ago) link

god this album ssssssssssssssssssuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkksssssssss

total auto-pilot mode. voted bull in the heather over winner's blues.

✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 15:51 (eleven years ago) link

this is between Bone, Tokyo Eye and In the Mind of the Bourgeois Reader for me.

peter in montreal, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 15:57 (eleven years ago) link

Voted "Starfield Road" mostly based on the awesome Thurston solo rendition I saw him do as the encore for Free Kitten.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 16:12 (eleven years ago) link

xp shasta - rilly? i find this the least auto-pilot, or least jam band at least, sonic youth album of all the ones i've heard. it's like on other albums they were like "ok so let's just play this riff and slowly decompose into textural noise" and ejstans is like here they're like "ok let's write a bridge."

tmi finney (samosa gibreel), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 16:41 (eleven years ago) link

this album seems the most like a contract fulfiller of all the 90s ones (that i heard). i pretty much gave up on them after this (although I eventually warmed up to Washing Machine, but they lost me for good after that, at least as a consumer of their records).

✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 16:55 (eleven years ago) link

xxxxp I tend not to give Waist and Bourgeois Reader enough credit...those are a couple of really great rockers.

forgotten funk-uncle (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 17:12 (eleven years ago) link

yeah "auto-pilot" to me conjures up some band going through the motions and making something that sounds superficially like their old records -- this album deconstructs and/or abandons what they'd done previously more than any other SY record. in some ways it feels tossed-off or lightweight, but imo it seems like a deliberate choice after a series of albums that were increasingly labored over, expensive, and reportedly stressful to make.

i agree completely with you some dude but i do think it is a bit lightweight at the same time...also, it tends to lack dynamics which makes it easy to overlook songs such as Waist and ITMOTBR...also Skink, Bone, and Quest for the Cup tend to blur together...and Screaming Skull, Self Obsessed, and Androgynous Mind (though samosa is atleast partially otm about that song)...

forgotten funk-uncle (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 17:31 (eleven years ago) link

voted sweet shine. probably my favorite kim vocal.

Trollmatic Reflexions (ojo), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 18:15 (eleven years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Friday, 16 April 2010 23:01 (eleven years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Saturday, 17 April 2010 23:01 (eleven years ago) link

their worst record imo. would have made a deece EP with a couple mediocre b-sides and then jettisoned all the garbajjj.

_▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 17 April 2010 23:16 (eleven years ago) link

i mostly like the records they made after this that you said upthread you haven't bothered with, but trust me, they made worse (and this is still maybe my 4th favorite of the albums they'd made up to that point).

Ghetto Fastnbulbous (some dude), Saturday, 17 April 2010 23:59 (eleven years ago) link

two years pass...

WOO
I'M CUMIN HOOOOOOME

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 18 August 2012 19:52 (eight years ago) link

I just sold my vinyl of this record for like... 12 bucks. I was desperate for cash! But i listened to it before I sold it and it is so good. I never cared much for Tokyo Eye when I was first into them, but it sounds amazing to me now. This poll was right on the money.

brontosaur, Saturday, 18 August 2012 19:57 (eight years ago) link

yeah "auto-pilot" to me conjures up some band going through the motions and making something that sounds superficially like their old records -- this album deconstructs and/or abandons what they'd done previously more than any other SY record. in some ways it feels tossed-off or lightweight, but imo it seems like a deliberate choice after a series of albums that were increasingly labored over, expensive, and reportedly stressful to make.

― the ship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (some dude), Tuesday, April 13, 2010 10:23 AM (2 years ago)

otm. it took me a while to warm to this album, but it eventually became one of my favorites, and the title suits it very well. playful, varied, engaged with pop, appealingly casual, and experimental in the best possible (least self-important) way.

contenderizer, Saturday, 18 August 2012 20:37 (eight years ago) link

Love this album so much. "Sweet Shine" all the way (all the way).

Old Lunch, Saturday, 18 August 2012 20:54 (eight years ago) link

I pretty much hate this album and am baffled by the love some people have for it. I just think it sounds like badly done 90s alt-rock.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 18 August 2012 21:12 (eight years ago) link

I did listen to it along with all the others at the time though. Maybe I should give it more of a chance, I dunno.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 18 August 2012 21:12 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

this is such a strange disconcerting album. there's a real undercurrent of aggression. throwing out a lot of the growth since their initial noise stuff and then saying "what if we grew a different way" and maybe anticipating a whole other current of mid-late 90s noise?

everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Monday, 30 June 2014 20:22 (seven years ago) link

i guess i could see how that deliberate obnoxious refusal to be harmonic even in a typical SY way could feel tossed off at the time.

everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Monday, 30 June 2014 20:24 (seven years ago) link

still feels tossed off to me, sometimes in a good way, sometimes not. strangest thing about it is the deliberate, thicket-clearing removal of not just the fuzz-heavy sonic density (their calling card since daydream nation), but also the abstract drug blear that had pretty much always been there. result sounds like a sketch-level architectural model of a possible sonic youth album, made of tongue depressors and styrofoam, displayed under unforgiving flourescence. no surprise that the follow-up retreated so decisively into familiar patterns & sounds.

Pew Nornographers (contenderizer), Tuesday, 1 July 2014 04:26 (seven years ago) link

"All your dreams will come true. All my dreams came true. But.. now.. I have a bunch of other dreams."

everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Saturday, 5 July 2014 17:45 (seven years ago) link

I need to listen to this again. I think I've only listened to it once. The lead single, "bull in the heather" irritated me so I gave album a miss when it came out

everyday sheeple (Michael B), Saturday, 5 July 2014 18:00 (seven years ago) link

this is maybe my 5th favorite SY album, meaning I LOVE IT, never understood the critical drubbing

rip van wanko, Saturday, 5 July 2014 18:07 (seven years ago) link

if u don't think it was an improvement over Dirty, you got problems

rip van wanko, Saturday, 5 July 2014 18:08 (seven years ago) link

That's absolutely bananas

Walter Galt, Sunday, 6 July 2014 12:29 (seven years ago) link

rip van otm (though I did not always agree)

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Sunday, 6 July 2014 15:33 (seven years ago) link

dirty is the best you are the worst

j., Sunday, 6 July 2014 15:35 (seven years ago) link

WM is my favorite but I mostly agree with this: http://www.stereogum.com/1144241/sonic-youth-albums-from-worst-to-best/top-stories/lead-story/

Sonic Youth has its share of fiercely loyal and extremely defensive fans, and rightfully so. But many of these same fans dramatically underrate the band’s middle-late period in favor of nostalgic favorites like Dirty and Goo, despite the late Geffen years producing some of the band’s most idiosyncratic and satisfying music.

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Sunday, 6 July 2014 15:50 (seven years ago) link

I feel like this is the big step sideways that makes all their later hippie albums possible. A lot of Murray Street sounds like Jet Set songs stretched out to Live Dead lengths. (Someone else mentioned the similarity between Self Obssessed & Sexxee and Disco Notice, but to these ears Sympathy for the Strawberry is a lot like Bone at 300%)

noir-ish need apply (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 6 July 2014 18:33 (seven years ago) link

Also j. otm. Sorry rvw

noir-ish need apply (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 6 July 2014 18:34 (seven years ago) link

four years pass...

'Sweet Shine' is probably up there with the best Cocteau Twins songs which resonate profoundly in my soul even while I readily admit that I have no clue what the singer is going on about.

Just eat a hamburger, it'll hit the spot. (Old Lunch), Friday, 31 August 2018 13:24 (two years ago) link

"Sweet Shine" IS good. One of maybe 4 tracks in the "reasons to keep this CD" column back when I sold it within months of release.

sounds like a sketch-level architectural model of a possible sonic youth album, made of tongue depressors and styrofoam, displayed under unforgiving flourescence.

OTM!

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 31 August 2018 14:01 (two years ago) link

listening to this for the first time in a long time thanks to this thread. surprised skink got no votes, that's a primo kim song. self-obsessed and sexxee is pretty bad

na (NA), Friday, 31 August 2018 16:20 (two years ago) link

SY’s “New Jersey.” lol

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 31 August 2018 16:49 (two years ago) link

That makes a certain kind of sense.

The inexorable rise of identity condiments (Sund4r), Friday, 31 August 2018 16:52 (two years ago) link

I never liked this one really. "bull in the heather" was a weak single from it that i didnt even buy the album when it came out and i was such a big fan of them.

I listened to it recently though and I dug it, theyre definitely aiming for something different here even if it doesn't always work.

. (Michael B), Friday, 31 August 2018 18:41 (two years ago) link

it feels a little thurston-heavy to me ... like he sings a lot of the songs and also sings a lot on those songs

na (NA), Friday, 31 August 2018 18:45 (two years ago) link

This album is possessed with an aimless, raucous melancholy that I find inextricable from my dishwashing job at a pizza place where I first listened to the cassette on an endless loop.

Just eat a hamburger, it'll hit the spot. (Old Lunch), Friday, 31 August 2018 19:06 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

WOO
I'M CUMIN HOOOOOOME

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, August 18, 2012 3:52 PM

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 July 2021 11:45 (two weeks ago) link

just got a vinyl copy of this from a friend

wow I have not listened to this album in 20 years, and I’ve listened to the records before and after pretty regularly

assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 16 July 2021 12:59 (two weeks ago) link

I only caught up with this record this year. The only two songs I would have voted for got no votes: "Skink" and "Doctor's Orders". Other than on the opening track, Thurston Moore is sullen both vocally and compositionally.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 16 July 2021 14:14 (two weeks ago) link

my least fave of their '90s run easily

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Friday, 16 July 2021 15:03 (two weeks ago) link

still really great

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Friday, 16 July 2021 15:03 (two weeks ago) link

It's all about Kim's songs imo. Like it was just an EP of the tracks with her vocals it'd be pretty much their best album (if not exactly representative of their sound in general).

Whoever does the little 'all your dreams will come true' bit from 'Quest for the Cup' sounds eerily like my gf at the time the album was released. It kinda blew my mind when I first heard it. So I probably have an irrational emotional attachment to that one. But I'd still rep for the rest.

Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 July 2021 15:17 (two weeks ago) link

kim totally carries this album you're right

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Friday, 16 July 2021 15:20 (two weeks ago) link

The band supposedly joked that they'd recorded over the masters for "Sister" to save tape costs -- which sounds silly at first, until you really, really crank "Jet Set" up... you can actually hear "Sister" played in its entirety underneath the album!

Am I being trolled? I'm being trolled.

(from: http://www.sonicyouth.com/mustang/lp/lp10.html)

pomenitul, Friday, 16 July 2021 15:24 (two weeks ago) link

If you turn it up even louder you can still hear the remnants of Sonic Death under the traces of Sister. They were nothing if not thrifty.

Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 July 2021 15:27 (two weeks ago) link

Yep, this is totally what comes to mind as "the Kim record". Love it so much, it was the first contemporary new SY record after I got into them. Heady days getting this album and then all those DGC reissues not too long after, for the latecomers like myself.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 July 2021 15:28 (two weeks ago) link

Brb, will experiment and report.

xp

pomenitul, Friday, 16 July 2021 15:28 (two weeks ago) link

P.S. Am I trolling you? I might be trolling you. I think you just got punked, pomenitul.

Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 July 2021 15:32 (two weeks ago) link

Nonsense, I can *totally* hear it now. And you can't – ha ha ha!

pomenitul, Friday, 16 July 2021 15:36 (two weeks ago) link

this has never been one of my faves but i'm listening to it now and enjoying it. i do think the kim songs are better but the thurston songs aren't bad. mostly it feels like thurston is trying to do something different (more stripped-down/"rock"?) while everyone else is like "OK thurston whatever" and doing standard (good) sonic youth songs. though "bull in the heather" does fit in with the more stripped-down/"rock" aesthetic of "screaming skull"/"self-obsessed and sexxee"/"androgynous mind"

na (NA), Friday, 16 July 2021 15:40 (two weeks ago) link

this was marketed like their lo-fi/DIY album IIRC?

na (NA), Friday, 16 July 2021 15:41 (two weeks ago) link

According to that Sonic Youth website, "Skink" was originally known under the title "Pete Townshend". I guess the opening riff sounds a little like a minor key variation on "Amazing Journey"?

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 16 July 2021 15:42 (two weeks ago) link

Sweet Shine is maybe top 10 of the tracks I really wish Spotify had a "radio edit" of (or a feature to add a fade to a track in your playlist) and probably at some point i will upload an edited mp3 so I can add this to a playlist of sullen/moody 90s rock i'm making this week.

i guess if the album were more popular then a double disc reissue would have come out moving the hidden track to a separate index, but probably there weren't enough b-sides/compilation tracks/demos, as the whole album sounds like demos anyway (which suits it).

mig (guess that dreams always end), Friday, 16 July 2021 15:48 (two weeks ago) link

I like all of their studio albums to at least some degree but this and The Eternal are the two I like least.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Friday, 16 July 2021 18:28 (two weeks ago) link

Which do you like best?

Two Severins Clash (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 16 July 2021 19:07 (two weeks ago) link

I probably put on Sister most often?

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Friday, 16 July 2021 19:11 (two weeks ago) link

My man.

pomenitul, Friday, 16 July 2021 19:40 (two weeks ago) link


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