― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 20:12 (seven years ago) Permalink
as spun off from here: Recommend me more things that sound as good as Roland Kirk's "Black Root"
sounds absolutely nothing like it, but it sounds as good: Emmanuelle Parrenin's 'Maison Rose', and don't make your mind up about it until that track in the middle. The track in the middle gets blogged out of context some times, and if you're into Moebius & Plank & This Heat more than the idea of folky french chanson produced by Popul Vuh circa Hosianna Mantra, then sure skip right to it but man what a reward to hear that album all the way through
(the rest of that Roland Kirk album is pretty great too, and you want to hunt down his track "One Ton" for the flute solo)
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, April 7, 2010 7:05 AM (13 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban PermalinkHow truly weird. I was just thinking this morning of checking ILM to see if there was a thread about Parrenin, in order to put out a "recommend me more things that sound as good as Maison Rose" plea.
― elephant rob, Wednesday, April 7, 2010 6:56 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkshe comes up briefly on the 'recommend things like Linda Perhacs' Parallelograms' thread. but there are six other Parrenin albums before 'Maison Rose' I'd love to hear discussed, and Bruno Menny is a cool character, I just downloaded his solo electronic album from Continuo's blog & a bunch of the other folk albums he produced in the 70's
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, April 7, 2010 8:10 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 20:13 (seven years ago) Permalink
Menny produced a handful of the weirder Malicorne records -- 'the French Fairport Convention' is acceptible shorthand, although they immediately went in a more modern / avant direction as opposed to Fairport who instantly retrenched towards 'classicism' -- which is why Malicorne's records got stronger as they went on. I love Malicorne, especially for how well integrated the studio tricks with all those Renaissance instruments & arrangements, he just has a great, strange ear for these things
But yeah, nothing really had me ready for that middle track on 'Maison Rose'. Better than anything new and contemporary with Conny Plank. Maybe it reminds me of 'Voyage 1' from the Catherine Ribeiro & 2Bis album, in the way that the album really saves the weirdness until after you think you've got your bearings, you think you're just in this nice little cottage and the tea is out and then very suddenly over the course of a baffling 60 seconds it becomes clear that the people who've been playing these charming little instrumentals are actually on another level entirely
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 20:26 (seven years ago) Permalink
god this album
I shouldn't try to talk about music
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 8 April 2010 06:35 (seven years ago) Permalink
milton, i am too drunk to contribute right now, but you are the ONLY person i've ever known to be really into Malicorne and i love it.
― ian, Thursday, 8 April 2010 06:40 (seven years ago) Permalink
Ian -- really -- if you're drunk right now, then download this, now
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 8 April 2010 06:53 (seven years ago) Permalink
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 8 April 2010 06:54 (seven years ago) Permalink
Listening to this on Spotify now. It started off a bit tame but we've hit "Topaze" now and I'm enjoying it lots.
― seandalai, Thursday, 8 April 2010 23:15 (seven years ago) Permalink
her two earlier albums with Phil Fromont are worth seeking out as well. the first one, La Maumariee, is quasi-medieval serf dance music all the way through, with the same mix of spinet, fiddle, hurdy-gurdy, etc. but more traditional and less out-there than Maison Rose, and with less emphasis on vocals. I haven't listened to the second one (Chateau Dans Les Nuages) more than a couple times, but it basically splits the difference between the first one and Maison Rose.
― broa super (unregistered), Thursday, 8 April 2010 23:46 (seven years ago) Permalink
Veronique Chalot recorded a few albums in a similar vein:
― broa super (unregistered), Thursday, 8 April 2010 23:49 (seven years ago) Permalink
I was crazy about this album when it got reissued a couple years ago. Sort of related it with springtime, might be the right time to start listening again.
― Moka, Friday, 9 April 2010 00:12 (seven years ago) Permalink
xpost wow, broa super, *must buy* all of Véronique Chalot's music NOW. Gorgeous. Thanks so much.
― Turangalila, Friday, 9 April 2010 00:42 (seven years ago) Permalink
np, Turangalila - glad you liked the clips :)
I've found frustratingly little info about her (Véronique Chalot) online. there's a discography and brief bio here, plus a blog post and forum discussion that offer a little more info. in short, she's a French expatriate who recorded three albums in Italy during the second half of the '70s. her first album is described as "10 traditional Provençal and Breton ballads from the thirteenth to sixteenth centuries." the clips I put up are from her second album, which is rather more droney and ethereal in spots. it looks like none of her material has seen a proper re-release, & all I can find for sale is a used copy of her 3rd album for a whopping $200. her stuff's easy to find in mp3 form, though.
― broa super (unregistered), Friday, 9 April 2010 02:19 (seven years ago) Permalink
Double wow @ Véronique Chalot, reminds me a lot of Shirley Collins. I've gone through her entire Youtubeography in the past hour, it's great music for working to.
― seandalai, Friday, 9 April 2010 13:17 (seven years ago) Permalink
Chant de la Mer is just so beautiful. I love the chord changes. But I need to stfu as this is not a Veronique thread. Sorry Milton.
― Turangalila, Friday, 9 April 2010 15:35 (seven years ago) Permalink
love 'maison rose', really digging the véronique chalot.
― aztec gamera (zappi), Friday, 9 April 2010 16:33 (seven years ago) Permalink
Silly me only just noticed this thread got started after all--thanks Milton! Will definitely check out every name mentioned so far. And Milton, I agree with "God this album" and your take on it. This is one of those albums you can put on for people and halfway through they'll inevitably suddenly say "wait, is this still that same album?"
― elephant rob, Monday, 12 April 2010 21:48 (seven years ago) Permalink
broa super, the Chalot stuff is lovely, thanks! Have you looked for more info about her lately? Looks like she's still around with a myspace and she's on facebook.
That Perhacs thread is loaded with good stuff too. Though I got burned buying a lot of "acid" folk a few years ago that was only acid in the sense of being released in the late 60s.
― elephant rob, Monday, 12 April 2010 22:07 (seven years ago) Permalink
Another wow for Véronique Chalot ! Never heard of her before, and it's stunning.
― J4mi3 H4rl3y (Snowballing), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 05:44 (seven years ago) Permalink
The Chalot is great, and definitely a connection, even though the albums I downloaded are much more straight up classical folk. I'll certainly spend more time with them once I climb out from under 'Maison Rose', though at this rate I don't know when that will be, it's been a 2-3 times a day listen for me since I found it
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 17:45 (seven years ago) Permalink
I'm so happy to see this thread. Maison Rose is such a lovely album. I always include when making a folk mix for friends. Thanks for introducing me to Véronique Chalot. I get the impression she was a part of a scene of folkies from Italy? Does that mean there are other French/Italian folk artist in this vein?
― Jacob Sanders, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 18:07 (seven years ago) Permalink
hmm, never even heard of Emanuelle Parrenin, but it sounds great! Thanks! Some of you guys might like this upcoming Elisa Randazzo record coming out on Drag City in May. Bridget St. John guests, of all things.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 18:09 (seven years ago) Permalink
I get the impression she was a part of a scene of folkies from Italy? Does that mean there are other French/Italian folk artist in this vein?
If there was a folk scene in Italy, then I'd like to know more about it too. I just know that she played a lot of folk festivals in France before her move to Italy, and she recorded her first three albums with Italian musicians. I wish I could put this kind of music in context a little better. there must be a compilation out there of that covers the late '60s / early '70s French folk boom. actually, some of the various artist comps here might fit the bill.
I love the story of how Emmanuelle Parrenin & company opened for The Clash in France in 1977, raising a chorus of boos and va te faire foutres from the predictably irksome punks in the audience.
― unregistered, Thursday, 15 April 2010 17:17 (seven years ago) Permalink
What frustrates me about the Chalot is that the rips I have found have been shitty and there's really no other way around it apart from spending hundreds of euros in her LPs. :(
― Turangalila, Thursday, 15 April 2010 19:22 (seven years ago) Permalink
i.e., I want to share it with everyone but I also don't want their ears to hurt
― Turangalila, Thursday, 15 April 2010 19:23 (seven years ago) Permalink
Parrenin plays on this, but I haven't listened to it yet.http://ezhevika.blogspot.com/2006/08/pierre-bensusan-pres-de-paris-1974.html
― Jacob Sanders, Thursday, 15 April 2010 19:59 (seven years ago) Permalink
Emmanuelle Parrenin avec Cristian Sotomayor (batterie) et Vincent Mougel kids are dead (Guitare / Synthés) en concert à La Loge le 9 janvier 2011.
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 06:11 (six years ago) Permalink
nice hurdy gurdy solo great song! if there's an album coming, it's going to be a good one
Emmanuelle Parrenin en concert le 15 avril 2011 au Lieu Unique, Nantes, avec Vincent Segal, Flóp, Etienne Jaumet, Cristian Sotomayor, Vincent Mougel et Matthieu Fromont / Bo Weavil.
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 06:24 (six years ago) Permalink
Titres extraits du nouvel album MAISON CUBE paru le 31 mars 2011.
09 Jul 2011 FR Marseille Festival Mimi (guest Flóp)25 Aug 2011 FR Rochefort Rochefort en accords (solo)26 Aug 2011 FR Rochefort Rochefort en accords (solo)27 Aug 2011 FR Rochefort Rochefort en accords (solo)
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 06:32 (six years ago) Permalink
Last year she also played on Etienne "Zombie Zombie" Jaumet's album "Night music" - an appropriate collaboration.By the way it seems like Get Back is going to re-release the first two lp's of Veronique Chalot next months (vinyl only, apparently, grrr).
― Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 07:25 (six years ago) Permalink
how is her new album? the title track, at least, is mesmerizing. it seems like the perfect thing capture the hearts of people who liked "Topaze" but I wouldn't even mind if some of the other material was less out-there in the vein of much of the rest of Maison Rose.
her producer and romantic partner Bruno Menny was doing some old school Tangerine Dream-y synth stuff in the early '70s before he worked on Maison Rose. I haven't heard his album all the way through yet but it seems interesting.
― gtforia estfufan (unregistered), Saturday, 28 May 2011 15:26 (six years ago) Permalink
Menny also worked with Malicorne around the same time.
― gtforia estfufan (unregistered), Saturday, 28 May 2011 15:27 (six years ago) Permalink
favorite overtly electronic Menny / Malicorne moment = that vocal choral cut-up loop on La Blanche Biche
I listened to it when I got it last month a little distant from it -- but it's good that it is not even trying for the same sense of mysticism or mystery, the production is very modern and upfront. The second track is a blues number that kicks off a very different, less pastoral vibe from the outset. Three weeks later I listened again and I've been playing it quite a few times since then. Once I got over expectations of this being a sequel, her voice sounds timeless, the songwriting is beautiful, and she still completely flips out on hurdy gurdy on more than a few tracks
― Milton Parker, Monday, 30 May 2011 21:31 (six years ago) Permalink
Got this lp last week. Maison Rose. The Lion version of the cd is very nice sound. Odd details catch your attention, hurdy gurdy lines appearing as though out of the mist.
bet it's a cliche to compare it to Alain Stivell meets Linda Perhacs.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 5 April 2012 19:54 (five years ago) Permalink
I think it was this thread that I found on google and lead me to this site in the first place too. Don't know why it's taken me til now to buy the disc.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 5 April 2012 21:13 (five years ago) Permalink
Topaze, live 23-04-2011, Live in Paris
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 01:12 (four years ago) Permalink
is anyone else familiar with Valentin Clastrier? his "Migration" suite (spaced-out, longform hurdy gurdy piece) reminds me a bit of Emmanuelle Parrenin:
(and it's literally the only thing I've heard by him, so I'd welcome any recommendations)
― when skrillex just stood there (unregistered), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 03:59 (three years ago) Permalink
("spaced-out" probably not the best description for something so vigorous, but ykwim)
― when skrillex just stood there (unregistered), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 04:00 (three years ago) Permalink
Valentin Clastrier's self-titled album from last year is highly recommended for fans of avant-hurdy-gurdy music. his pieces are more like Indian ragas than trad folk songs, and his use of an effects pedal on a few tracks (the opener and closer + "Vents Solaires") is unique and unnerving. his hurdy gurdy is a custom-built, 27-stringed, electric-acoustic monstrosity, as he demonstrates here:
― his eye is on the sbarro (unregistered), Sunday, 23 March 2014 05:22 (three years ago) Permalink
― Milton Parker, Saturday, 15 April 2017 13:01 (three months ago) Permalink
Nice stuff. She also has a RSD 12" with Etienne Jaumet coming out on a French record store's label:
― by the light of the burning Citroën, Saturday, 15 April 2017 14:07 (three months ago) Permalink