taking sides: _fun house_ or _raw power_

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_fun house_. ron asheton was much more tasteful and economical as a guitarist than james williamson. he was unfortunately not as great a bassist and so the bass lines are much more memorable on _fun house_. it swings better and the vocals are more distinctive.

sundar subramanian, Saturday, 28 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Funhouse, of course. Raw power isnt even that hot an album except for a few tracks (Search and destroy, Gimme danger). Bowies production is awful too. I know its an obvious thing to say but its true.

Michael, Saturday, 28 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Funhouse...Pat Sharp is way cool! :)

james e l, Saturday, 28 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Raw Power (the Iggy mix, not Bowie) wins. Just. Agree about the bass though.

Dr. C, Saturday, 28 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not saying RAW POWER is a crap album, but it's intial production (by Bowie) rendered it so tinny and comapritively lifeless compared to the cohesive "oomph" of FUNHOUSE. Production and engineering aside, however, FUNHOUSE simply has better songs. I can think of precious few albums that can measure up to the one-two-three punch of "Down On the Street," "Loose" and "TV Eye" right out of the box. The songs are better, the production's better, the performance is better (with Dave Alexander on bass and Ron on guitar, as opposed to James Williamson circa RAW POWER). Once again, I'm not knocking RAW POWER ("Search & Destroy" alone makes that album a classic), but in terms of listening to an album straight thrhough, FUNHOUSE has more to offer from start to finish.

alex in nyc, Saturday, 28 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Iggy's mix of Raw Power makes it close, but I'd still the give the edge to Fun House. It's more solid throughout.

bnw, Saturday, 28 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I'm assuming that this is a question about Iggy Pop LPs. I don't know Funhouse, but I do like one or two things on Raw Power. That *is* the record with 'Gimme Danger' on it, isn't it?

the pinefox, Saturday, 28 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I feel that the Stooges didn't age well, which is a shame for me. What are they? What's with the long, not very great musical interludes? Their catchiest tunes are on Raw Power, with the exception of 1969. I always felt Funhouse was something I should like because of great phrases like "I been dirt, and I don't care" or "I got my TV eye on you" but, in the end, it's mild. Mildly catchy, mildly interesting, mildly annoying, too. Reminds me of how I now feel about Royal Trux. I prefer the Iggy mix of Raw Power, in the end. I think the songs have more meaning, personality and groove to them.

, Saturday, 28 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

raw power is the critic's choice and funhouse is for those who hate critics, though i think there's a shift going on a la sgt. pepper's and revolver. the stooges are the best rock band ever though, to my ears, they never made a great album as all of their efforts have something that fuck it up.

anyhow, the debut is all about attitude, funhouse provides the noise, and raw power, by God, IS rock and roll in all of its obscene glory so it's my pick. (we're talking about the iggy mix, accept no substitutes here.) and it has "search & destroy" which makes me want to slay all before me so obviously it's the greatest song ever.

fred solinger, Saturday, 28 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

LA Blues would swing it, except I won't let it. Thus, a "scooby" choice -- S/T since it was produced by Cale and had neither noise nor rock but instead attitude.

Sterling Clover, Sunday, 29 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Raw Power lasts for me because it was a live event, more inspirational, it changed the way I walked down the street.

K-reg, Sunday, 29 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

FUNHOUSE - dirt is one of my favourite songs eva, I listen to RAW POWER much less. Has anyone heard Iggys 'ZOMBIE BIRDHOUSE' and if so is it any good ?

Geordie Racer, Sunday, 29 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I was under the impression that FUNHOUSE was the "critic's choice", certainly since its Psychotic Reactions & Carb Dung lionism in 87. FUNHOUSE is also the insufferable snobs choice: more underground, traditionally harder to find in stores, contains one unlistenable song in "L.A. Blues." First half of FUNHOUSE packs a tremendous emotional wallop, though ably matched by "Search and Destroy." Prefer FUNHOUSE in theory, listen more to RAW POWER on account of Iggy's 97 remix/ reanimation. Taking sides: six of one, half dozen of the other, both better than the debut.

AP, Sunday, 29 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Raw Power is my pick, and it seems that I cannot elaborate much upon Fred's reasoning. In my experience, I've converted more of the unconverted via Raw Power than Funhouse (current score: 3 to 0,) and that kind of populist appeal probably counts for something.

badger, Sunday, 29 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

ZOMBIE BIRDHOUSE is a bit on the patchy side, but worth owning if not only for "Run Like A Villain."

alex in nyc, Sunday, 29 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Raw Power, baby, raw raw raw. I can't really speak to the original release with the crap mix, but the reissue shows that Raw Power was the most rock and roll album ever made. I played it for someone yesterday, actually, and listened again through new ears, and it's still menacing, loud as hell, and it still even sounds more relevant than most of the material being released today. Is Fun House great? Yeah. If you ask me (and you did), Raw Power is even better.

Sean Carruthers, Sunday, 29 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

As a critic and an insufferable snob both, Funhouse is the only Stooges record I listen to. And it's glorious.

Tom, Monday, 30 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I'll say it again (needlessly)...song for song (and isn't that really the real test of an album?), FUNHOUSE is simply the better batch than RAW POWER. Don't get me wrong, RAW POWER still kicks a mighty big ass, but you've got to admit that there are some comparitively weak tracks there. FUNHOUSE is all muscle, no fat (not even "L.A. Blues").

alex in nyc, Monday, 30 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Rethink: I s'pose the true snobs' answer would be "the unreleased one." Featured songs "Cock in My Pocket," "Rubber Legs," "Open Up and Bleed," pre-KILL CITY "Johanna," etc. Most of it first appeared on French bootlegs in the 80s. I think Bomp gave 'em semi-official release five-odd years back. I once held "Open Up" as my fave Stooges track (based on about three radically different versions; one being on METALLIC K.O.), but it's 7-8 years since I've owned or heard any of it. Back to topic: I remember Thurston Moore answering this somewhere, something like RAW POWER is the musicians' favourite (esp. guitars in "Penetration"), FUNHOUSE everyone else's.

AP, Monday, 30 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I bought Raw Power first, was intruiged by it for a while, soon passed on to other things; then picked up Funhouse for some reason and was completely entranced for a couple of weeks. That says it all. Raw Power rocks quite well, but Funhouse is a far more satisfying album because it's somehow not about the riffs themselves. This is the album with the attitude, the debut is horribly pale and weak in comparison.

graham, Monday, 30 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Funhouse, can't beat one of the greatest rockalbums ever. Raw Power is pretty good though and arguably has the bigger anthems (Gimme Danger, Search & Destroy). Production of Raw Power never bothered me.

Omar, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

seven months pass...
arguin about these records is pointless.....they are all beautiful untouchable artworks.....each can be appreciated for hellish attitude.........even all the unreleased stuff.....these guys were comin apart at the seams and who has come close to POP/WILLIAMSON/ASHETON?????? FUCKEN NOBODY!!!!

euan fielder, Monday, 31 December 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
"Raw power isnt even that hot an album"

NO

"Bowies production is awful too."

NO

"Iggy's mix of Raw Power makes it close"

NO

"I feel that the Stooges didn't age well"

NO

"it's intial production (by Bowie) rendered it so tinny and comapritively lifeless"

NO

"Mildly catchy, mildly interesting, mildly annoying, too."

NO

"I prefer the Iggy mix of Raw Power"

NO

"raw power is the critic's choice and funhouse is for those who hate critics"

NO

"they never made a great album as all of their efforts have
something that fuck it up"

NO

"(we're talking about the iggy mix, accept no substitutes here.)"

NO

"S/T since it was produced by Cale and had neither noise nor
rock but instead attitude"

NO

"contains one unlistenable song in "L.A. Blues."

NO


"In my experience, I've converted more of the
unconverted via Raw Power than Funhouse (current score: 3 to 0,) and that kind of populist appeal probably counts for something"

NO

"RAW POWER still kicks a mighty big ass, but you've got to admit that there are some
comparitively weak tracks there"


NO


"the debut is horribly pale and weak in
comparison"


NO


"Rethink: I s'pose the true snobs' answer would be "the unreleased one."


NO

"arguin about these records is pointless.....they are all beautiful untouchable artworks.....each can be appreciated for hellish attitude...even all the unreleased stuff.....these guys were comin apart at the seams and who has come close to POP/WILLIAMSON/ASHETON?????? FUCKEN NOBODY!!!!"


Hahahahaha! OTM!

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 4 September 2004 00:34 (sixteen years ago) link

You're so negative.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 September 2004 00:35 (sixteen years ago) link

i'll say Funhouse, but it's close.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 4 September 2004 00:50 (sixteen years ago) link

real close.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 4 September 2004 00:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooord!
Funhouse destroys Raw Power.Asheton is the most primeval guitarist of all time.Williamson just wanted to be in the rolling stones.We Will Fall is better than Raw Power

Black Arkestra (Black Arkestra), Saturday, 4 September 2004 01:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Iggy's ambition for the Stooges was to be the American Stones, he got sick of those no good Ashetons fucking things up for him

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Saturday, 4 September 2004 01:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Raw Power, for having the greatest Doors song.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 4 September 2004 02:03 (sixteen years ago) link

funhouse for its THRUST


...and the gatefold snapshot.

tipustiger, Saturday, 4 September 2004 02:43 (sixteen years ago) link

The original mix of Raw Power is an intriguing mystery! The bass is almost completely inaudible throughout and mostly what you hear of the drums is the snare. Was it some attempt to make a record like White Light/White Heat?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 4 September 2004 03:41 (sixteen years ago) link

"Williamson just wanted to be in the rolling stones."

That's bullshit. I mean, yeah, the rhythm guitar at the beginning of "Search and Destroy" starts off sounding like "Street Fighting Man," but, like on all the other more revved-up tracks on the album, it ends up being WAY more relentless and yakkety. That was called "punk."

His leads strike me as being very Jimmy Page-like, actually. Matter of fact, now that I think of it, the influence on his rhythm playing seems to have been "Train Kept a-Rollin'"/"Communication Breakdown" (check "Shake Appeal," "Death Trip," maybe even "Raw Power").

Give the guy some fucking credit.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 4 September 2004 04:09 (sixteen years ago) link

That was called "punk."

....well, not at the time it wasn't.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 4 September 2004 04:18 (sixteen years ago) link

Lester Conway Bangs to thread.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 4 September 2004 04:19 (sixteen years ago) link

I'M LOOSE!!!!! ALWAYS!!!!
fun house obv

AaronHz (AaronHz), Saturday, 4 September 2004 04:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Fun House

Bimble (bimble), Saturday, 4 September 2004 05:18 (sixteen years ago) link

Tim, I agree that JW's leads (probably rhythm tracks too) sound more metal/hard rock. But I also don't think they're done very well at all - he's no Page for sure. A lot of it really just sounds like bad hard rock to me, which is why it amazes me that anyone could rate Raw Power over Fun House. "Search and Destroy" is classic though.

I've never heard the Bowie mix.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 4 September 2004 05:29 (sixteen years ago) link

I quite like raw power.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 4 September 2004 08:44 (sixteen years ago) link

did nobody here get the remixed version of raw power that iggy redid himself? that beats fun house easily.

splooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 4 September 2004 08:58 (sixteen years ago) link

i've never heard the bowie mix either, but i think i'd probably prefer it to the iggy mix. i like most of the songs on that album (especially "shake appeal"), but it's almost impossible for me to listen to it all the way through at one sitting. it's just so goddamned MONOTONOUS, just one grindingly loud, snotty, straightforward tune after another. i think my distaste for it has a lot to do with the over-the-top remix - it's like being hit in the head with an iron for forty minutes! every one of those songs sounds awesome on a mixtape (well, except "penetration"), but put them all together and halfway through i'm reaching for the advil. whereas every song on funhouse sounds different (and like nothing else ever) and you can DANCE to it.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 4 September 2004 09:24 (sixteen years ago) link

"it's like being hit in the head with an iron for forty minutes"

thats what makes it so damn great!

splooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 4 September 2004 09:28 (sixteen years ago) link

The Bowie mix had SWORDFIGHTING on it! It would've been good if they'd included both mixes on the one disc when they did the re-issue, since it's not really that long an album.

Personally I get different things out of all three, but if I HAD to choose... Fun House it is.

Shady Loch Lenin (haitch), Saturday, 4 September 2004 09:48 (sixteen years ago) link

jack white likes funhouse, and thurston moore - i think - likes raw power best.

splooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 4 September 2004 14:41 (sixteen years ago) link

JW IS JON WILLIAMS NOT JACK WHITE

Anyway, we jammed Raw Power at the COLLEGE PARTY last night.

Raw Power = pop!
Funhouse = noise!

Both great! But I would never play Funhouse at a party

MATH BLASTER MYSTERY! (ex machina), Saturday, 4 September 2004 14:44 (sixteen years ago) link

no, i meant jack white said in mojo fun house is his fave stooges record.

splooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 4 September 2004 14:59 (sixteen years ago) link

"funhouse is my favorite record." saeth the dave of markey.

"iggggyy!"

eedd, Sunday, 5 September 2004 00:02 (sixteen years ago) link

Hey, what's green and flies over Germany?

AaronHz (AaronHz), Sunday, 5 September 2004 00:11 (sixteen years ago) link

can i be a real pain in the hole and side with the S/T album? the other two have never really thrilled me quite as much. i don't get quite why at all, it's definitely not me just being awkward...

pete badmusik (pete badmusik), Sunday, 5 September 2004 00:53 (sixteen years ago) link

Fun House. Because Ron Asheton was a better guitarist than James Williamson (knew his way around a wah-wah.) Because Dave Alexander was a better bassist than Ron Asheton. Because Steven Mackay supplied the greatest tenor sax playing on any rock record EVER. Not to mention greatest LP cover, greatest scream ("TV Eye") and the fact that it was released in 1970 (greatest year in rock, LP-wise!)

Raw Power is pretty great too, altho neither Bowie's nor Iggy's mix was completely satisfactory.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Sunday, 5 September 2004 02:40 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm sad i got rid of my bowie-mix of raw power, it'd be nice to hear again.

it would be a tightass pointscoring thing to say that iggy's raw power rules not because there's BASS but because you can hear the GLOCKENSPIEL...but really it's because of the BASS. grunge rock lives!!

i think fun house is better.

g--ff (gcannon), Sunday, 5 September 2004 04:45 (sixteen years ago) link

only if cabaret means brilliant, succinctly eloquent lyrics and hard as fuck songs that smack you round the head like a fork lift truck.

splooge (thesplooge), Monday, 6 September 2004 08:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Raw Power, as the title track is my favorite Stooges song bar none.

David Allen (David Allen), Monday, 6 September 2004 08:18 (sixteen years ago) link

four months pass...
why is "fun house" so satisfying???

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:29 (sixteen years ago) link

Because it's just an amazing rock'n'roll record. Period.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:31 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah, but there's something unusually SATISFYING about it. you'd think it'd be one of those records you'd have to play when you're in a certain mood, but i ALWAYS enjoy listening to it, in all sorts of moods.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:32 (sixteen years ago) link

also someone PLEASE tell me how the snares are recorded on this record, because they have always sounded so great to me. maybe they are just mixed really high??

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Uh...because IT KNOCKS THE FUCKING WALLS DOWN?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Damn, must play this now.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:35 (sixteen years ago) link

i AM playing it right now buddy!

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Does anybody else have Declaration Of War? It appears to have been some kind of ultra-limited-edition vinyl-only compilation of the best outtakes from the Funhouse sessions box. It's pretty goddamn great; the track listing is "TV Eye," "Down On The Street," "Loose," "Dirt," "Slidin' The Blues," "1970," "Fun House" and "Lost In The Future," and it begins with that great bit from the box where Iggy is imitating a wrestling announcer introducing the Stooges. I didn't even know it existed until a friend burned it for me - I've never seen it listed on the Rhino site or anything.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:39 (sixteen years ago) link

I'd been playing Black Grape and the Happy Mondays just now, and suddenly throwing on Fun House is just so much more FULFILLING than those records (not knocking them, mind you). But fuck...."TV Eye" is playing right now, and it's just fucking UNSTOPPABLE!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:44 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm listening to it in my mind right now.

Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:45 (sixteen years ago) link

The drums on "Loose" alone.

http://www.concertlivewire.com/jpegs/stooges/stooges4.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:48 (sixteen years ago) link

(err...that's Scotty "Rock Action" Asheton, btw)

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:48 (sixteen years ago) link

...And it's not just a matter of knocking the walls down and you're done. It's like this ecstatic, extended kicking of ass over a long period of time.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Well said.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:51 (sixteen years ago) link

i really like iggy's vocals on "dirt" and "1970." it sounds like he spent a lot of time on them. i guess the box set (which i haven't heard and don't necessarily want to) would confirm that...

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 14 January 2005 00:54 (sixteen years ago) link

fun house and raw power are in one folder on my computer, so they're basically one album as far as I'm concerned.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 14 January 2005 01:03 (sixteen years ago) link

re: raw power bowie mix: itz tinny cuz bowie knew the bass playing was crap and the best thing to do was focus on iggys vocsa--check out the way theyr tracked. hot stuff, but mayeb more "art" than FUNHOUSEs full on Rock And Roll = Sherman Tank action. So sensations win again.

Snappy (sexyDancer), Friday, 14 January 2005 01:12 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Fun House is the greatest rock & roll record of all time. I feel sorry for people who can't understand that.

shemp, Sunday, 13 March 2005 17:44 (sixteen years ago) link

RAW POWER is so much better in every conceievable way. I don't get all the Fun House love, really. "Down on the Street" and "1970" are brilliant, but as a whole it isn't spectacular. Raw Power is spectacular, from start to finish. Sure, it sort of declines in quality with "Shake Appeal," but the first 6 tracks are, quite possibly, the best strech ever.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Sunday, 13 March 2005 22:44 (sixteen years ago) link

As for the mixes, I prefer the original Bowie mix, except for "Gimmee Danger".. which Bowie absolutely butchered.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Sunday, 13 March 2005 22:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Dude, "Fun House" the song has more rock in it than all of Raw Power. Not that Raw Power's bad ("Death TriP" is fucking amazing), but come on, how can you not get off on how completely out of control Fun House gets starting with "1970"? No music I've ever heard, live or otherwise, has been that unhinged and powerful at the same time, invigorating I guess, as the last three songs on Fun House.

shemp, Monday, 14 March 2005 00:03 (sixteen years ago) link

"Dude, "Fun House" the song has more rock in it than all of Raw Power"

'search and destroy' / 'gimme danger' >>>>>>> 'down on the street' / 'loose'

penetration' / 'raw power' = 'tv eye' / 'dirt'

'death trip' > 'fun house'

funhouse also has '1970', but raw power still wins on a countback

chris andrews (fraew), Monday, 14 March 2005 00:25 (sixteen years ago) link

actually, the debut scores well too

'1969' / 'i wanna be your dog' (possibly better than RP and a waaay better opening than FH)

'no fun' / 'ann' (holds its own, 'ann' being of particular note...)

'little doll' (maybe not as powerful and crazy as the other two albums outro's, but its real catchy

chris andrews (fraew), Monday, 14 March 2005 00:32 (sixteen years ago) link

'search and destroy' / 'gimme danger' >>>>>>> 'down on the street' / 'loose'

penetration' / 'raw power' = 'tv eye' / 'dirt'

you are insane. no, really.

tipustiger, Monday, 14 March 2005 00:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Maybe it's whatever one you hear first that does it for you. I still can't imagine liking Raw Power more except I guess it might make sense if you heard that one first. And anyways it's not like we're saying one's good and one's bad but disagreeing about which of two albums that rule rules more.

shemp, Monday, 14 March 2005 01:14 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah but how can anyone discount the might of 'gimme danger' and 'search and destroy'?

chris andrews (fraew), Monday, 14 March 2005 01:23 (sixteen years ago) link

They're mighty. But "Fun House" is monolithic, and so are "Dirt," "LA Blues," and "1970."

shemp, Monday, 14 March 2005 01:26 (sixteen years ago) link

twelve years pass...

"Raw power isnt even that hot an album"
NO

"Bowies production is awful too."

NO

"Iggy's mix of Raw Power makes it close"

NO

"I feel that the Stooges didn't age well"

NO

"it's intial production (by Bowie) rendered it so tinny and comapritively lifeless"

NO

"Mildly catchy, mildly interesting, mildly annoying, too."

NO

"I prefer the Iggy mix of Raw Power"

NO

"raw power is the critic's choice and funhouse is for those who hate critics"

NO

"they never made a great album as all of their efforts have
something that fuck it up"

NO

"(we're talking about the iggy mix, accept no substitutes here.)"

NO

"S/T since it was produced by Cale and had neither noise nor
rock but instead attitude"

NO

"contains one unlistenable song in "L.A. Blues."

NO

"In my experience, I've converted more of the
unconverted via Raw Power than Funhouse (current score: 3 to 0,) and that kind of populist appeal probably counts for something"

NO

"RAW POWER still kicks a mighty big ass, but you've got to admit that there are some
comparitively weak tracks there"

NO

"the debut is horribly pale and weak in
comparison"

NO

"Rethink: I s'pose the true snobs' answer would be "the unreleased one."

NO

"arguin about these records is pointless.....they are all beautiful untouchable artworks.....each can be appreciated for hellish attitude...even all the unreleased stuff.....these guys were comin apart at the seams and who has come close to POP/WILLIAMSON/ASHETON?????? FUCKEN NOBODY!!!!"

Hahahahaha! OTM!

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, September 3, 2004 8:34 PM (thirteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

marcos, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 13:46 (three years ago) link

The people in this thread who were seriously arguing in favor of Iggy's played-through-a-blown-out-answering-machine wannabe-Guitar-Wolf mix of Raw Power were collectively out of their fucking minds.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:26 (three years ago) link

taking sides: the weirdness vs ready to die

Wesley Shackleton explained "look at that beast." (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:30 (three years ago) link

fun house vs exile on main street

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:55 (three years ago) link

Ready to Die is actually a lot better than The Weirdness, and only partly because The Weirdness is the worst album Iggy's ever done. RtD stands on its own merits.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:06 (three years ago) link

imo: raw power: bowie vs iggy mixes

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:32 (three years ago) link

Fun House

I like The Weirdness.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:54 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

Fun House is one of the greatest records of all time regardless of genre. Raw Power is pretty good.

pomenitul, Sunday, 2 May 2021 14:09 (one week ago) link

WT...?

A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 May 2021 14:12 (one week ago) link

Fun House is one of the greatest records of all time regardless of genre. Raw Power is pretty good.

Pretty much. Raw Power has some good songs destroyed by inexplicable production choices.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 2 May 2021 16:14 (one week ago) link

Funhouse is probably “better,” but I’m less likely to throw it on.

smoking grass, poor caddying. (morrisp), Sunday, 2 May 2021 16:23 (one week ago) link

(I also love Williamson’s gtr playing, as a matter of personal taste.)

smoking grass, poor caddying. (morrisp), Sunday, 2 May 2021 16:25 (one week ago) link

no sax on raw power so fuck that album

Left, Sunday, 2 May 2021 16:28 (one week ago) link

Fun House is one of the greatest records of all time regardless of genre. Raw Power is pretty good.

― pomenitul, Sunday, 2 May 2021 

Correct

Duke, Sunday, 2 May 2021 16:36 (one week ago) link

side 2 of Raw Power kinda drags for me but side 1 is one of the best side 1s ever

Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 2 May 2021 16:57 (one week ago) link

pomenitul otm. I don't dislike Raw Power, but it sounded and felt so self-conscious after Fun House, like they were trying to live up to or create or re-create some nebulous myth(s) about themselves...and with a guitarist who was uninterested in taking risks. And wrt the awful production, the drums on Fun House are popping all over the place, the source of that record's agitation; on Raw Power they're buried under a heavy blanket.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 2 May 2021 16:58 (one week ago) link

Is that a real cartoon or a photoshop?

clemenza, Sunday, 2 May 2021 17:08 (one week ago) link

Fun House is one of the greatest records of all time regardless of genre.

it is absolutely perfect that don gallucci played keyboards on the kingsmen's version of "louie louie" and went on to record the first american prog album (touch) before producing this

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 2 May 2021 17:30 (one week ago) link

Fun House and Raw Power are two of the greatest records of all time regardless of genre.

Authoritarian Steaks (Tom D.), Sunday, 2 May 2021 17:33 (one week ago) link

I love both, though not sure either is the best Stooges record tbh


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