Blue eyed SOUL. There's a clue in the name.
It seems "blue eyed" is the clue that causes the shops to classify them as "rock & pop" rather than "soul/R&B"
Of course the lack of logic here is not race-related only. What is it that makes most record stores categorize the entire Jackson family as pop/rock, but hardly any other black acts other than Hendrix/Kravitz etc, for instance?
And the lack of logic when it comes to what is hard rock and what is not is even more laughable. One record store chain here classifies Flower Kings and Spock's Beard as hard rock/metal while Led Zeppelin are not.
― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 09:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Together we made it (you see we did it niggaz!) We made it even though we had our backs up against the wall (c'mon) Forever we waited {ha ha!} And they told us we were never gonna get it But we took it on the road (to the riches) on the road (to the ghetto) On the rooooad (and the projects to this bangin instrumental) On the road (ride with me) on the road (we come and get it) On the rooooad (yeah, yeah, yeah!)
― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 09:27 (fifteen years ago) link
OFRA HAZA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
??? Ofra Haza is neither black nor rock.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 09:37 (fifteen years ago) link
i like that so many posters immediate reaction to the first post was "indies not rock"
― max, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 10:24 (fifteen years ago) link
no wait i dont like that at all
Yeah the embarrassment here wasn't only on the thread poster's hands. Between that and like, "wtf dude, Chuck Berry!" or whatever (when the question was directly regarding hiphop / indie rock) ILM's got a little slack to tend to. Only skimmed it, maybe there was more.
cue copy/paste of me being an idiot/loon someplace, I know it's happened.
― RabiesAngentleman, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 10:42 (fifteen years ago) link
black people never want to cause rock interferes with bluetooth http://i36.tinypic.com/6oood3.jpg
― ice crӕm, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 13:26 (fifteen years ago) link
it's largely cultural.
― Mike Crandle, Financial Analyst, Bear Stearns, New York, NY 10185 (res), Friday, 3 July 2009 00:47 (fourteen years ago) link
http://top-people.starmedia.com/tmp/swotti/cacheBGFYCNKGA2LUZW==UGVVCGXLLVBLB3BSZQ==/imgLarry%20King3.jpgExpand on dat.
― DJ Mr. Face Stabba, M.D. (Whitey on the Moon), Friday, 3 July 2009 01:07 (fourteen years ago) link
Why does whitey never on the moon?
― a ho (The Reverend), Friday, 3 July 2009 01:10 (fourteen years ago) link
I recently received the first Nona Hendryx album, which I kind of ordered by mistake (I thought it was "Nona" from 1983 that was rereleased, and didn't realize it was her debut until I had already ordered it).
The content surprised me though. Here is a black female soul singer who used to be in Labelle, recording a new wave-ish rock album as her solo debut. "Nona" would be more traditional soul music (and a great example of that), but this album is actually not at all bad, a fully fledge rock album, only sung with a soulful R&B voice.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link
you're on the wrong thread, but of course you would revive this
Nona Hendryx (produced by Tangerine Dream's Peter Bauman)'s "Skindiver". for fans of kate bush, peter gabriel or david sylvian
― sleeve, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 15:26 (thirteen years ago) link
oh god, this thread.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link
omg the fine art of thread revive as self-parody
― MMLLLARRRFF (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
hey, i'm a black girl but i really do love rock music and i felt kinda bad about until I read some of things you wrote so thanks and I realaized that hey! music is music , if you like it you like it― me, Tuesday, March 16, 2004 11:42 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark
This is the best post in the entire thread.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Quit reviving this shit, yo
― Morley Timmons, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Son HouseRobert JohnsonMuddy WatersWillie DixonJohn Lee HookerHowlin' WolfElmore James Ike TurnerLittle RichardChuck Berry
equals invented rock & roll
― nicky lo-fi, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 18:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I think maybe the question implied the word "anymore" at the end of it.
― Lazarus Niles-Burnham (res), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss332/Aelok/Terrible.jpg
― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 14 October 2010 09:07 (thirteen years ago) link
http://flecom.fragmachines.com/funny/this_thread_delivers.jpg
― borad.crutial.org (crüt), Thursday, 14 October 2010 10:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Geir made a comment upthread about Hall & Oates and the like. I remember the early 80s where, depending on where you shopped, you could find so-called "blue-eyed soul" filed under soul / r & b.
― Remember the Dayne! (u s steel), Thursday, 14 October 2010 10:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Why doesn't white indie rock kids want to country music?
― Lazarus Niles-Burnham (res), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link
they did in the 90s
― in my world of Hmong ppl (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link
um yeah have you heard of this band, I think they're called Wilco
― twat dust and ego overload (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Palace Bros
Cass McCoombs
― twat dust and ego overload (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link
"y'allternative"
http://www.nodepression.com/
― twat dust and ego overload (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.mariobalotelli.it/en
― No Wicked Heart Shall Prosper.rar (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Alt-country, huh? Someone link me to where pitchfork reviewed a Garth Brooks or Randy Travis album.
― Lazarus Niles-Burnham (res), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I think there's an interesting cultural conundrum buried in here somewhere. Top 40 music in other genres has crossed over to the indie set, but not Top 40 country music. Why not?
― Lazarus Niles-Burnham (res), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link
oh you're asking THAT question. take it up with the rolling country thread and chuck eddy et al
― twat dust and ego overload (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link
drummer from ocean colour scene was black, iirc.
― carles II of spain (max arrrrrgh), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
well, pitchfork didn't exist when i was at my whitest and indiest, thank christ...
um, but yeah basically speaking as someone who worshipped uncle tupelo and shit back then, we definitely started to verge over to regular country which i still love to this day as a result of starting with tupelo/jayhawks/palace bros, etc...
obv it started with like townes van zandt, guy clark, jimmy dale gilmore etc...then on to waylon and willie....but then pretty soon a lot of my friends and i were listening to george jones, dwight yoakam (at the height of his commericial popularity circa "this time"), and even dudes like gary allen, (some) alan jackson, randy travis, george strait, and tons of o.g. shit old time nashville stuff
a lot of dudes that were super alt country (way more than me) that i came up with now are just country dudes period, don't even like indie at all anymore
― in my world of Hmong ppl (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
vampire weekend's next record is gonna be country
― buzza, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
typo
― baubles to the wall (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link
seems like an indie alt country revival would kinda make sense, by way of the grateful dead and the byrds, lots of nu-psych bands will probably end up going up the country eventually
― in my world of Hmong ppl (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
You know why they keep making CDs when the rest of the world has figured out how to steal/download mp3s? COUNTRY MUSIC.
― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Why does people want to keep reviving this thread?
― B-Boy Bualadh Bos (ecuador_with_a_c), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i do it for the lulz
― Lazarus Niles-Burnham (res), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/9mNdr.gif
― No Wicked Heart Shall Prosper.rar (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
There was like a four page feature on Jamey Johnson in Spin. Brad and Miranda had a little crossover love in 2009 too.
Indie kidz and major country are still def in the "dabbling" stages but the marriage certainly isn't unheard of
― mmmm... yung hummus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I keep forgetting Spin exists.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Thursday, 23 December 2010 02:12 (thirteen years ago) link
You know.... there is this funny little (?) thing called prog. It is actually now at its most popular since the mid 70s. And it has never quite caught on in the case of digital downloads. Maybe because people feel like concept albums filled with 30 minute suites and ambitious album artwork is more tempting to buy on CD than on digital files......
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 23 December 2010 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link
COUNTRY MUSIC and NORWEGIANS.
― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 23 December 2010 03:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I hope this doesn't seem racist, it's just fascinating.― Indieholic Anonymous, Tuesday, July 23, 2002 6:00 PM (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I guess it did seem rascist...― Indieholic Anonymous, Tuesday, July 23, 2002 6:00 PM (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― sleepingbag, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 22:54 (ten years ago) link
i often think about the title of this thread
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 23:16 (ten years ago) link
didnt know where else to post this
https://medium.com/cuepoint/like-it-is-bob-dylan-explains-what-really-killed-rock-n-roll-f6a4b6587a1a#.xbtohz64s
very good, long read on dylan, race, rock n roll (and NOT the usual mojo history cliches)
― StillAdvance, Friday, 8 July 2016 15:00 (seven years ago) link
that actual interview was discussed in depth on one of the Dylan threads. I don't think this interpretation is a well-kept secret or anything, the fall of the first generation of 50s rock giants (Chuck, Elvis, Little Richard, Jerry Lee) is woven into most discussions of the history of the genre, I remember encountering it as a pre-teen watching "The Compleat Beatles" where its discussed in the context of how rock n roll hit a fallow period prior to the Beatles
― Οὖτις, Friday, 8 July 2016 15:31 (seven years ago) link
I feel like Miriam Linna or someone once wrote about some good rockin stuff (albeit you had to look for it) that happened during the fallow period prior to the Beatles.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 8 July 2016 15:48 (seven years ago) link