Most shocking Rock & Roll Hall of Fame snubs (according to CNN.com)

why don't you come over here and remove it yourself big boy

let's not turn this into a Rush thread guys

I thought J0hn and matt were quoting KISS lyrics again.

just sounds like two bros enjoying Rush together to me.

Just think: a man might have kissed me in high school had I spent more time with Signals.

Resurrected!
Clearly a lot of people here love Alice Cooper to death (to coin a phrase). In the wake of Alex Chilton’s passing, I’ve actually been feeling somewhat guilty today: “Geez, if Alice Cooper goes anytime soon, I’m going to be the most hated guy on this board. Maybe I better back up and do some more ‘splainin’.” So, go back to my first post on this thread: “I guess you could make a case for Kiss and/or Alice Cooper...though I wouldn't make it myself.” I basically went through the same thing with Andre Dawson on the I Love Baseball board. It’s another way of saying that when and if Alice Cooper goes in, I’ll be okay with that. I wouldn’t put him in myself, but fine.
Whatever HOF you’re talking about, you can approach from it from the lowest-common-denominator angle, from the inner-circle angle, or from the great gray area between. The lowest-common-denominator angle says that since my guy’s better than the worst guy already in there--Billy Joel for me, somebody else for you--keeping my guy out is a grave injustice. And if that’s your guiding principle, Alice Cooper clearly belongs; he’s more qualified than a number of people already in there. But if you subscribe to the inner-circle theory, that only the very greatest belong in any HOF, even if that means that some years nobody goes in (not just a hypothetical; I know someone who holds rigidly to that theory with regards to the baseball HOF; he’d probably deny entrance to Tom Glavine), then I can’t see that Alice Cooper belongs. Which was basically my point in saying that he wasn’t at the level of Bob Dylan or the Rolling Stones. I had no idea that saying Alice Cooper didn’t measure up to Bob Dylan would cause such consternation.
In between the one extreme and the other, you can argue.
I have (hopefully) one last question for xhuxk. You suggest that moving on from Husker Du and the Replacements was perfectly normal--wider context, expanding horizons, etc.--but thought it was odd (“sad” even; scuzzy-sad or tragic-sad, you don’t specify) that I’d moved on from Alice Cooper. Help me out here. You were in you mid-20s, I was 12; it seems to me that, in the normal course of events, one’s horizons and contexts are more libel to get widened and expanded at 12 than at 25. I’m not saying that’s a hard-and-fast rule, and obviously one's horizons should always be expanding. I just come up against a disconnect there. (Don’t mean to harp on this, but I’ve often written about how, when it comes to music, the 12-year-old me is a bigger part of the 48-year-old me than any other me ever. So you pushed a button there.)

Guess you can't paragraph on here...Meant to say that I approach HOFs from the gray area in between. But between the lowest-common-denominator theory and the inner-circle theory, I definitely tilt inner-circle.

Hey Clemenza -- I think the sadness I mentioned is directly connected to what you're talking about; i.e., seems to me people seem to to talk way more often about "outgrowing" the sort of music they liked when they were 12 (i.e., to deny themselves the pleasure of it later in life) than they talk about outgrowing music they liked when they were 25. In a way, in fact, "music 12 year olds like" is almost its own genre; has been for several decades now, certainly longer than "music 25 year olds like." Which may be why I read what I read into your explanation of giving up Alice. (And, in fact, you didn't actually deny later that you'd outgrown his music, agewise; you even acknowledged that that might be a possibility. Which is fine. But it'd still be sad.)

wow, Depeche Mode; The Cure; Hall and Oates; ELO; T-Rex.

lotta good choices (i'd say journey, too, but i realize that's a CRAZY choice).

It just hit me: Momus is eligible, y'all.

Still a disconnect. We're arguing from the same starting point here: we both think (at least I do; I think you do too) that what you love as a 12-year-old means a lot. So if Al Green and Badfinger, Todd Rundgren and "You Wear It Well," the Carpenters and the Spinners and "Anticipation" make me swoon even more today than they did then--and they meant a lot to me then--then I just don't see the fact that, for me, Alice Cooper turned out to be a casualty of that era as being particularly sad. I mean, not everybody's going to survive, right? "Daddy, Don't You Walk So Fast" didn't make the cut either, and I think I liked that at the time, too. And I definitely don't see that leaving behind Husker Du or the Replacements is any less sad, being a big Husker Du and Replacements fan.

It just hit me: Momus is eligible, y'all.

i'd vote for him before i'd vote for billy joel.

Al Green and Badfinger, Todd Rundgren and "You Wear It Well," the Carpenters and the Spinners and "Anticipation" make me swoon even more today than they did then

C'mon, this is getting tired. You didn't point this out til now; how would I know? (Though, duh, I think I've finally figured out who you are.) And when you first talked about leaving behind Alice at 12, and I asked you whether you thought you'd outgrown him just because you got older (and then you said that maybe you had), I'm pretty sure you hadn't mentioned any other music you liked then. But fine -- I get it now.

Surprised it took you so long. (To figure out who I am, not to get it.)

Well, who the hell are you, Vincent Furnier?

Clue: I mentioned him by name earlier on the thread, not knowing he was actually here.

Surprised it took you so long

Blame all this cheap SXSW beer.

So is Clemenza Neil or Bob? ;)

clemenza is actually Alice Cooper

― smoking cigarette shades? it doesn't even make any sense. (HI DERE), Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:56 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark

And he's outgrown himself. Larvae style.

clemenza is either rick moody or gorge?

As much fun as it is being the center of speculation, don't waste your curiosity--finding out who I am would elicit a resounding "Who?" It's between the brothers, Kay--xhuxk and I go way back, and we were just sparring a little.

I've figured it out - or at least I've found a writer mentioned on this thread who likes baseball and Neil Young.

loved the ice storm btw : )

Come over here, kid, learn something. You never know, you might have to explain why you don't like Alice Cooper to 20 guys someday.

did you ever listen to rush pete????

Pete: :)!

You can't hurry Rush.

Kraftwerk

hmmmm voted Heart here altho Moody Blues is pretty shocking as well

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PE fans really fulla shit if they really voted for "most shocking" here

I find it strange that 20 people would vote PE when it was already established that they're not eligible yet, so it's the least shocking exclusion by default.

Im pretty sure they will get in eventually.

Just so I can endear myself to a whole new group of people, let me say that if it ever comes down to a choice between Alice Cooper or the Cure, give me Alice Cooper a thousand times over.

Bill will be along to high five you shortly

Moody Blues 1

Hello me.

I find it strange that 20 people would vote PE when it was already established that they're not eligible yet, so it's the least shocking exclusion by default.

Im pretty sure they will get in eventually.

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 22 March 2010 00:44 (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

When I voted, I did not know that.

OK, switch to "the Zombies" then,.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P19CZn6Cswk&feature=player_embedded#

I find it strange that 20 people would vote PE when it was already established that they're not eligible yet, so it's the least shocking exclusion by default.

Maybe they thought it read "Most Shocklee" exclusion.

who knew Chicago were so popular round here

Bon Jovi 6
KISS 6

Wait til Alex In NYC sees that.

xpost - popularity 'round here is a non-issue! I can take or leave Chicago, but I'm surprised that 120 million records sold wasn't enough to get 'em inducted. And presumably the other four voters felt the same.

I didnt vote for them, but I kind of like early Chicago.

i have only the faintest idea of what Chicago even sound like ... are the early records secretly good?

The early records are a lot more interesting than their 80s ballads

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soLIZ4W0rZw&feature=related

the 80s ballads are all I know. or rather, one 80s ballad -- "look away, baaaaaby, look away!" love that. that is Chicago, isn't it?

I remember them having a hit of some sorts with a ballad here in the UK in the early 80s because they had a song on Hits 3 or 4 or something. I cant remember what song it was. But I'd be surprised if they sold many records here.

This was their big comeback single (lolling so hard at Rutger Hauer Peter Cetera here, plz let Alex in NYC see this)

actually everything about this video is hilarious and pretty much encapsulates the 80s

Dubious distinction of Chicago being the first band I ever saw live. St Paul Civic Center 1983. I didn't even like them then-- think i was just excited about the idea of seeing a big rock show.

A comedian was the opener (what a grand tradition that was...)

ahh dan, i think that's the song i was trying to remember the name of! Prob their only song that gets played on oldies radio here. Usually played before or after you win again by the bee gees.

oh lol I had the chronology all backwards, this was actually the comeback single:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh9cNYlmXEY